O'Reilly Says Mitt Romney Will Be Next President

[pritchet1]

Why not the general who "belittled" the VP and admitted to allowing soldiers to killing women and children in Afghanistan, so drugs could continue to flow?

Or this guy for president?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5000003n

Currahee!

[Mahonri]

Man you guys are so "gullible"..... You fall for infowars propaganda hook line and sinker. You are utterly clueless that infowars on many issues are just like Liberals and Anti-Mormons. They use a little truth to tell great lies about Conservatives and other issues. They misrepresent O'Reilly's and Glenn's positions, as well they misrepresent Romney and what he did. There are MORE FACTS to the so-called facts infowars uses to create their LIES against these people.

You are just little drones no better than the so-called drones you condemn.

Romney for President and Allen West for VP. Palin would be okay for VP, but West would be better.

we are gullilble??

I HATE infowars, and am not even aware of anything they have said about Mitt.

I gave examples and campaign specifics on how he is a big government, pervert supporting, gun grabbing, healthcare mandating, world government supporting, restoration denying, tax money stealing to pay for private enterprise, war monger.


Mitt is

Not sure why you come here making false and unfounded claims about people and then turn around and do what you accuse others of

[sbsion]

If Romney gets elected then all the Mormons will go back to sleep, thinking all is well in Zion!

ya mean, they are awake?

[bobhenstra]

Lol, many of you folks and your unsupported accusations are a riot! I wonder how some of you succeed in seeking the Spirit with so much hate hardening your hearts.

May I suggest you study the history of Hezikiah, Alma, his son Alma the Younger, Paul the Apostle, the Sons of Mosiah, King Lamoni, his family and people and many more including latter-day leaders who were once very wrong, repented and were apostles. Even Joseph Smith made critical errors, and was forgiven.

I marvel at how hard it is for many of you to forgive, simple forgiveness, 70 times 7.

Have any of you really studied Romney's time in Massachusetts? He was the governor, but he didn't handle the purse strings, the state legislature did that. Mitt vetoed dozens of bills the liberal controlled state legislature over ruled him on (the correct term for that procedure just slipped my mind, I blame age related brain shrinkage )

A "broken heart" is a tamed heart, as in "break a horse!" As some horses require just a "whisper" others have to be hard ridden. People are like that, some have few problems repenting, others it would seem, enjoy hitting themselves in the head with the hammer because it feels so good when they stop! A whisper from the Spirit, or the hammer, our choice!

A "contrite spirit" is a teachable spirit, and is one who is quick to forgive. Example, I voted for Mike Lee during Caucasus because I felt "I" had given Bennett all the chances I wanted to give him with his voting record, but I don't hate him, nor have I found it necessary to forgive him, I simply accept the fact he voted his conscience! Some of his votes were simply "wrong" for me. I give him his chance, now I'll trust another, but condemn Bennett, hate him? not a chance, its much easier to continue to love the man as a brother, as Ammon loved King Lamoni!

If necessary, I'll give Romney the same chance I give Mike Lee, but something whispers to me that Joe Biden will be the next president!

Bob

[Book of Ruth]

Is Mitt a member of the CFR?

[Original_Intent]

Lol, many of you folks and your unsupported accusations are a riot! I wonder how some of you succeed in seeking the Spirit with so much hate hardening your hearts.

May I suggest you study the history of Hezikiah, Alma, his son Alma the Younger, Paul the Apostle, the Sons of Mosiah, King Lamoni, his family and people and many more including latter-day leaders who were once very wrong, repented and were apostles. Even Joseph Smith made critical errors, and was forgiven.

I marvel at how hard it is for many of you to forgive, simple forgiveness, 70 times 7.

Have any of you really studied Romney's time in Massachusetts? He was the governor, but he didn't handle the purse strings, the state legislature did that. Mitt vetoed dozens of bills the liberal controlled state legislature over ruled him on (the correct term for that procedure just slipped my mind, I blame age related brain shrinkage )

A "broken heart" is a tamed heart, as in "break a horse!" As some horses require just a "whisper" others have to be hard ridden. People are like that, some have few problems repenting, others it would seem, enjoy hitting themselves in the head with the hammer because it feels so good when they stop! A whisper from the Spirit, or the hammer, our choice!

A "contrite spirit" is a teachable spirit, and is one who is quick to forgive. Example, I voted for Mike Lee during Caucasus because I felt "I" had given Bennett all the chances I wanted to give him with his voting record, but I don't hate him, nor have I found it necessary to forgive him, I simply accept the fact he voted his conscience! Some of his votes were simply "wrong" for me. I give him his chance, now I'll trust another, but condemn Bennett, hate him? not a chance, its much easier to continue to love the man as a brother, as Ammon loved King Lamoni!

If necessary, I'll give Romney the same chance I give Mike Lee, but something whispers to me that Joe Biden will be the next president!

Bob

Yes, Brother Mitt's performance during the '08 primaries was certainly a textbook example of repentance and teachability.

Regarding our leaders, we are commanded to seek wise and just men who support the Constitution, not give every repentant soul a chance. I don't hate Mitt at all, I just don't see a thing, even in his recent reformed behavior that leads me to believe that I would be justified in voting for him. I could easily find a few score men in my own ward that are more qualified for the presidency than Mitt (following the criteria we are given in scripture, not those of men.) Mitt's positives are these: 1 He "looks presidential".

2 He is a prominent LDS.

3 He is a supposedly successful businessman (although I am not sure that's a good qualification, I would be more interested in how he got his money than how much he has.)

4 He can definitely turn on the charm.

5 He is an LDS that could win, and do political favors for the church. (I am not calling that a positive, but others have claimed that as a reason to support him.)

Negatives:
1 Would consult with attorneys about whether he needs Congressional authority to attack another country. (2008) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BbIPbLSRw

2 Past abortion position (I know I know he has repented, still shows terrible judgment at the very least. Remember, SEEK WISE LEADERS. Also in this video, he comes across as the same shallow person who was arguing FOR abortion in 2002 and 2005. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcTOpZwoCM Also as pointed out in this video, why did Mitt support PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION in the past and he claims that what caused his change of heart was EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH???!??
REALLY, think about that statement. Obviously it was one meant to not come under much scrutiny, it is just a quick deflection as he needed something to credit with his timely repentance. If you consider it, it is a ludicrous statement on its face.

3 Supported the concept of pre-emptive war

4 Had no clue along with most other candidates that the economy was about to collapse. When it was accurately predicted that the economy could collapse "even as early as this fall" by Ron Paul, Mitt joined the other candidates in openly mocking his "crazy" but accurate assertions.

Feel free to enlighten me of any positives I missed. Mitt is nothing but power hungry, he completely lacks the understanding of any principles of liberty, although compared to the current occupant, he looks pretty good. But then WHO DOESN'T?

You lol at us and our unsupported accusations - sorry, no we have just done our homework, and need more than to see the hint of temple garment beneath the slacks to go rabidly supportive of someone. Sorry, my bad, I am sure Bro. Mitt's clothes are MUCH to finely tailored to disclose a hint of whether he prefers boxers, briefs, thong, or sacred. If you want to support someone for president because he knows a secret handshake and has managed to become a prominent person in the world, that's between you and the Lord. But please keep your lol's to yourself, unless you have something more substantive to contribute than "BUT HE REPENTED".

[lundbaek]

I am a former Massachusetts resident of a total of about 25 years, and cut my teeth in the political arena in MA 35 years ago. When I learned in 2002 (while living overseas) that a prominent Latter-day Saint, who was much respected by many other LDSs for his Church service and business success, had been elected governour of Masachusetts, a red flag went up for me.

With family and friends still in MA, and with internet access, finding out how Mitt Romney managed to appeal to MA voters was fairly easy. Moral and constitutional principles were compromised, as has been well documented on this forum. I have yet to hear or read of any acknowldgement or repentance of his more egregious errors of judgement, which he has had more than adequate opportunity to do. If his continued support of John McCain is any indication, I certainly feel no need to overlook his past mistakes. It is not a matter of forgiveness, but a matter of trust. Like would I trust that McCain is serious about shutting off illegal immigration by sealing the border with Mexico?

I do not detect hate toward Romney on this forum, but rather a deep concern, even a fear, about his influencing others, especially LDSs, that he is a highly principled and competent candidate for elected government office, when many LDSs like myself have good reason to believe he is not.

I consider Mitt Romney a danger because LDSs generally, IMO, like or have need of someone to follow. In pointing out to other LDSs his demonstrated disdain for certain constitutional and moral principles, I am often told that that must be OK because of Romney's stature in the business world and the Church. Instead of doing their homework, they fine it easier or more comfortable to follow Romney's lead. Many here in AZ now support McCain because of Romney's endorsement of him, even while aware of his character and record in the Senate.

In that connection I recently learnd that a few of the "pillars" in our stake know little or nothing about Romeny or McCain because, by their own admission, they do not follow current events in any way. One of them reportedly said it drives the Spirit from him.

[pritchet1]

Yes.

[pritchet1]

http://www.cfr.org/bios/13226/mitt_romney.html

[Jason]

http://www.cfr.org/bios/13226/mitt_romney.html

LOL Guess that means Ron Paul is CFR too....
http://www.cfr.org/campaign2008/bio/ron_paul.html

[moonwhim]

I posted this on a previous post about 3 years ago when Mitt had written his article for the CFR's Foreign Affairs journal:

I received an email from the CFR person in charge of fellowships and she had this to say about whether Mitt was a "fellow" at the CFR:
Mitt Romney is not a fellow at the Council. The article that is mentioned
on that page is an article he wrote for the last issue of Foreign Affairs.
Best,
Elizabeth

[bobhenstra]

Lol, many of you folks and your unsupported accusations are a riot! I wonder how some of you succeed in seeking the Spirit with so much hate hardening your hearts.

May I suggest you study the history of Hezikiah, Alma, his son Alma the Younger, Paul the Apostle, the Sons of Mosiah, King Lamoni, his family and people and many more including latter-day leaders who were once very wrong, repented and were apostles. Even Joseph Smith made critical errors, and was forgiven.

I marvel at how hard it is for many of you to forgive, simple forgiveness, 70 times 7.

Have any of you really studied Romney's time in Massachusetts? He was the governor, but he didn't handle the purse strings, the state legislature did that. Mitt vetoed dozens of bills the liberal controlled state legislature over ruled him on (the correct term for that procedure just slipped my mind, I blame age related brain shrinkage )

A "broken heart" is a tamed heart, as in "break a horse!" As some horses require just a "whisper" others have to be hard ridden. People are like that, some have few problems repenting, others it would seem, enjoy hitting themselves in the head with the hammer because it feels so good when they stop! A whisper from the Spirit, or the hammer, our choice!

A "contrite spirit" is a teachable spirit, and is one who is quick to forgive. Example, I voted for Mike Lee during Caucasus because I felt "I" had given Bennett all the chances I wanted to give him with his voting record, but I don't hate him, nor have I found it necessary to forgive him, I simply accept the fact he voted his conscience! Some of his votes were simply "wrong" for me. I give him his chance, now I'll trust another, but condemn Bennett, hate him? not a chance, its much easier to continue to love the man as a brother, as Ammon loved King Lamoni!

If necessary, I'll give Romney the same chance I give Mike Lee, but something whispers to me that Joe Biden will be the next president!

Bob

Yes, Brother Mitt's performance during the '08 primaries was certainly a textbook example of repentance and teachability.

Regarding our leaders, we are commanded to seek wise and just men who support the Constitution, not give every repentant soul a chance. I don't hate Mitt at all, I just don't see a thing, even in his recent reformed behavior that leads me to believe that I would be justified in voting for him. I could easily find a few score men in my own ward that are more qualified for the presidency than Mitt (following the criteria we are given in scripture, not those of men.) Mitt's positives are these: 1 He "looks presidential".

2 He is a prominent LDS.

3 He is a supposedly successful businessman (although I am not sure that's a good qualification, I would be more interested in how he got his money than how much he has.)

4 He can definitely turn on the charm.

5 He is an LDS that could win, and do political favors for the church. (I am not calling that a positive, but others have claimed that as a reason to support him.)

Negatives:
1 Would consult with attorneys about whether he needs Congressional authority to attack another country. (2008) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BbIPbLSRw

2 Past abortion position (I know I know he has repented, still shows terrible judgment at the very least. Remember, SEEK WISE LEADERS. Also in this video, he comes across as the same shallow person who was arguing FOR abortion in 2002 and 2005. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcTOpZwoCM Also as pointed out in this video, why did Mitt support PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION in the past and he claims that what caused his change of heart was EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH???!??
REALLY, think about that statement. Obviously it was one meant to not come under much scrutiny, it is just a quick deflection as he needed something to credit with his timely repentance. If you consider it, it is a ludicrous statement on its face.

3 Supported the concept of pre-emptive war

4 Had no clue along with most other candidates that the economy was about to collapse. When it was accurately predicted that the economy could collapse "even as early as this fall" by Ron Paul, Mitt joined the other candidates in openly mocking his "crazy" but accurate assertions.

Feel free to enlighten me of any positives I missed. Mitt is nothing but power hungry, he completely lacks the understanding of any principles of liberty, although compared to the current occupant, he looks pretty good. But then WHO DOESN'T?

You lol at us and our unsupported accusations - sorry, no we have just done our homework, and need more than to see the hint of temple garment beneath the slacks to go rabidly supportive of someone. Sorry, my bad, I am sure Bro. Mitt's clothes are MUCH to finely tailored to disclose a hint of whether he prefers boxers, briefs, thong, or sacred. If you want to support someone for president because he knows a secret handshake and has managed to become a prominent person in the world, that's between you and the Lord. But please keep your lol's to yourself, unless you have something more substantive to contribute than "BUT HE REPENTED".

Case in point!

Bob

[Original_Intent]

No Bob, case NOT in point at all.

[pritchet1]

Mitt really is a member of the CFR.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =354941826

[moonwhim]

Mitt really is a member of the CFR.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =354941826

I don't see on your link that it proves that Mitt is a CFR Member.

[pritchet1]

Mitt really is a member of the CFR.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =354941826

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-101294.html

Apparently they stopped published a list of members.

[sbsion]

Mitt really is a member of the CFR.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =354941826
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-101294.html
Apparently they stopped published a list of members.

It really doesn't matter, he is NOT material to protect and defend the constitution

[moonwhim]

Mitt really is a member of the CFR.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =354941826

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-101294.html

Apparently they stopped published a list of members.

I still don't see any solid proof that he is a CFR Member.

[p51-mustang]

Lol, many of you folks and your unsupported accusations are a riot! I wonder how some of you succeed in seeking the Spirit with so much hate hardening your hearts.

May I suggest you study the history of Hezikiah, Alma, his son Alma the Younger, Paul the Apostle, the Sons of Mosiah, King Lamoni, his family and people and many more including latter-day leaders who were once very wrong, repented and were apostles. Even Joseph Smith made critical errors, and was forgiven.

I marvel at how hard it is for many of you to forgive, simple forgiveness, 70 times 7.

Have any of you really studied Romney's time in Massachusetts? He was the governor, but he didn't handle the purse strings, the state legislature did that. Mitt vetoed dozens of bills the liberal controlled state legislature over ruled him on (the correct term for that procedure just slipped my mind, I blame age related brain shrinkage )

A "broken heart" is a tamed heart, as in "break a horse!" As some horses require just a "whisper" others have to be hard ridden. People are like that, some have few problems repenting, others it would seem, enjoy hitting themselves in the head with the hammer because it feels so good when they stop! A whisper from the Spirit, or the hammer, our choice!

A "contrite spirit" is a teachable spirit, and is one who is quick to forgive. Example, I voted for Mike Lee during Caucasus because I felt "I" had given Bennett all the chances I wanted to give him with his voting record, but I don't hate him, nor have I found it necessary to forgive him, I simply accept the fact he voted his conscience! Some of his votes were simply "wrong" for me. I give him his chance, now I'll trust another, but condemn Bennett, hate him? not a chance, its much easier to continue to love the man as a brother, as Ammon loved King Lamoni!

If necessary, I'll give Romney the same chance I give Mike Lee, but something whispers to me that Joe Biden will be the next president!

Bob

Yes, Brother Mitt's performance during the '08 primaries was certainly a textbook example of repentance and teachability.

Regarding our leaders, we are commanded to seek wise and just men who support the Constitution, not give every repentant soul a chance. I don't hate Mitt at all, I just don't see a thing, even in his recent reformed behavior that leads me to believe that I would be justified in voting for him. I could easily find a few score men in my own ward that are more qualified for the presidency than Mitt (following the criteria we are given in scripture, not those of men.) Mitt's positives are these: 1 He "looks presidential".

2 He is a prominent LDS.

3 He is a supposedly successful businessman (although I am not sure that's a good qualification, I would be more interested in how he got his money than how much he has.)

4 He can definitely turn on the charm.

5 He is an LDS that could win, and do political favors for the church. (I am not calling that a positive, but others have claimed that as a reason to support him.)

Negatives:
1 Would consult with attorneys about whether he needs Congressional authority to attack another country. (2008) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BbIPbLSRw

2 Past abortion position (I know I know he has repented, still shows terrible judgment at the very least. Remember, SEEK WISE LEADERS. Also in this video, he comes across as the same shallow person who was arguing FOR abortion in 2002 and 2005. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcTOpZwoCM Also as pointed out in this video, why did Mitt support PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION in the past and he claims that what caused his change of heart was EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH???!??
REALLY, think about that statement. Obviously it was one meant to not come under much scrutiny, it is just a quick deflection as he needed something to credit with his timely repentance. If you consider it, it is a ludicrous statement on its face.

3 Supported the concept of pre-emptive war

4 Had no clue along with most other candidates that the economy was about to collapse. When it was accurately predicted that the economy could collapse "even as early as this fall" by Ron Paul, Mitt joined the other candidates in openly mocking his "crazy" but accurate assertions.

Feel free to enlighten me of any positives I missed. Mitt is nothing but power hungry, he completely lacks the understanding of any principles of liberty, although compared to the current occupant, he looks pretty good. But then WHO DOESN'T?

You lol at us and our unsupported accusations - sorry, no we have just done our homework, and need more than to see the hint of temple garment beneath the slacks to go rabidly supportive of someone. Sorry, my bad, I am sure Bro. Mitt's clothes are MUCH to finely tailored to disclose a hint of whether he prefers boxers, briefs, thong, or sacred. If you want to support someone for president because he knows a secret handshake and has managed to become a prominent person in the world, that's between you and the Lord. But please keep your lol's to yourself, unless you have something more substantive to contribute than "BUT HE REPENTED".

Case in point!

Bob

Sorry Bob, I'm with OI on this one. He's spot on with his analysis.

[pritchet1]

Doesn't CFR mean Constitutionalist For Real?

My bad. You are right. He ain't one.

[Original_Intent]

It is really irrelevant whether he is CFR or not. Not every member of the CFR is part of the NWO or the LDGs. Many of the members are nothing more nor less than usefull idiots for those with their hands on the levers of power.

[moonwhim]

Doesn't CFR mean Constitutionalist For Real?

My bad. You are right. He ain't one.

Sure seems like he should be an official CFR Member though!

[bobhenstra]

No Bob, case NOT in point at all.

My post, back there that you jumped all over, had to do with forgiving, not "just" repentance.

All I ever see about Mitt is third person testimony! If third person testimony won't stand up in court, why should it stand on this site? You have proof of what you say, show me!

If you do not have proof, are you bearing false witness? Quoting unreliable sources isn't proof! Quoting dem and liberal web sites, people with an agenda, isn't proof. Proof will stand up in court, if Romney is a crook, and you have proof, why have you not testified against him? What is the reason you insist on bearing false witness against Romney? Fact is you "don't" have proof, your just quoting others who "themselves" have no proof!

Were you wearing Mitts shoes when he was governor? Were you standing near his side when he had to make difficult decisions? Were you standing behind him when the dem/liberal/union machine was attacking him relentlessly, no matter what he did? Are you still attacking him? Will you continue making accusations you cannot prove? Are you going to continue down that false witness pathway?

I don't sense a lot of love in your posts, did Ammon show love for King Lamoni? Did the righteous of Alma's day forgive him? Paul? Did the Lord forgive Joseph Smith? Is there anyone in this world, past, present, future that the Lord will not forgive after proper repentance? Is the ability to forgive one of your challenges?

Its not one of mine! So, I'm awaiting examples of "actual" proof you have against Romney!

Like I said, "case in point!"

Bob

[Original_Intent]

I don't call links to videos of the words coming out of Mitt's own mouth third person testimony, Bob.

I don't chose who I support for president based on my love for the person or how repentant I feel they are over past mistakes. As far as Mitt Romney as a person, I think he has made some regretable mistakes, but I don't have bad feelings for him and I hope that he has had a sincere change of heart - for his sake. But we are not talking about whether I love Mitt enough, and it is not my position to forgive him as he has not personally wronged me. Again the discussion is not about my feeling for Mitt romney EXCEPT as my feelings regarding how justified I would be in supporting him for President. From anything I have heard from him, my 13 year old son and 16 year old son have a better understanding of the Constitution.

Now if you are sensing a lack of love in my posts, it might be that I get a little tired of arguing in circles with people who already know all they need to know, they cover their ears and say la la la if anyone points something out that threatens their paradigm. It's like LDS who blindly support Mitt because they WANT so badly to believe in him, despite the mountains of evidence that the man is unworthy of their support for OFFICE. Sure we should support him in his repentance process, if he is going thru one. But people who have gotten some kind of vision of Romney the Great LDS POTUS, and don't exercise the least bit of judgment and instead your reflex reaction is to dismiss out of hand anything said of why he should not be supported - yeah, it is irritating and it is getting old, and the blind idiots that continue to function this way are taking this country to hell in a handbasket.

So excuse me if discouragement sometimes leaks through into my posts. It's being accused of providing third party testimony when I have actually given video of first person testimony of him testifying aginst himself....it makes me wonder despite your talk of love whose side you are really on?

[lundbaek]

I have had LDSs insist the youtube videos of Romney's Moses and the bush statement and his statement during one of the so-called debates about going to war against Iran on the basis of consulting with lawyers (without a declaratioin of war by Congress) were faked. Others insist that even though "Obamacare" is unconstitutional and a deprivation of agency, "Romneycare is neither.

I've been accused of hating Romney on this forum, and that was a lie if for no other reason none of you can know how I really feel towards him. I am disappointed in him for the mistakes he has made, including cheerleading for McCain (For that I am disgusted). But the anger on my part is directed toward the LDSs who in their ignorance from lack of homework think he is a great choice for US President.