LDS official calls for political diversity (1998)

[buffalo_girl]

Here we go again... ithink the false prophet blaming the church and the same irrational complaining.

Where did that come from!

I understand iThink's point.

I, too, may not fully understand why Church leadership is silent - at this time - in counsel to us regarding the Gadianton take-over, and I am willing to do what I can where I live to counter organized crime whilst waiting for word, but I do not find it the end of the world for me, the Forum, or the Church that iThink expresses an opinion or poses a question one of us could answer in a civil manner if we simply took the time to think it through.

I'm still thinking the answer lies in 4Nephi.

[JMarsigli]

Here we go again... ithink the false prophet blaming the church and the same irrational complaining.

Where did that come from!

I understand iThink's point.

I, too, may not fully understand why Church leadership is silent - at this time - in counsel to us regarding the Gadianton take-over, and I am willing to do what I can where I live to counter organized crime whilst waiting for word, but I do not find it the end of the world for me, the Forum, or the Church that iThink expresses an opinion or poses a question one of us could answer in a civil manner if we simply took the time to think it through.

I'm still thinking the answer lies in 4Nephi.

"they could fix it by teaching constitutional principles from the pulpit, starting with the D&C and AofF 12. That is the duty of the church, and when it does not happen, the membership don't do their duty either and they can in a way, blame the church if the church isn't doing it itself.

Does church leadership counsel the members or do members counsel the leadership?

You "may not fully understand", and we're advised to question in a healthy way. ithink, on the other hand, is a false prophet, condemns church leadership, places demands on what the church should and should not do, and is constantly proclaiming ithink doctrine as truth. There is no reasoning with ithink, so the civility you request is impossible. I too understood ithink's simple point. Understanding something doesn't make something true.

Questioning and condemning are completely separate actions, and there is not a fine line between them.

[seer stone]

Unity is what makes members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints a peculiar people. In these days, diversity is the direction this nation is headed. Politically, we are accepting all walks of life, but by doing this, we are accepting them in their sins. One good example was proposition 8. The church was ridiculed because we are not willing to accept other's beliefs. Now homosexuality has become a civil rights issue. We have asked not to judge the sinner. Only the Godhead has that authority after a mortal has completed their probation. However we are commanded to judge the sin.

For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain....as the daylight is from the dark night. For behold, the spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil. (Moroni 7:15-16)

[Wiikwajio]

Unity is what makes members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints a peculiar people. In these days, diversity is the direction this nation is headed. Politically, we are accepting all walks of life, but by doing this, we are accepting them in their sins. One good example was proposition 8. The church was ridiculed because we are not willing to accept other's beliefs. Now homosexuality has become a civil rights issue. We have asked not to judge the sinner. Only the Godhead has that authority after a mortal has completed their probation. However we are commanded to judge the sin.

For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain....as the daylight is from the dark night. For behold, the spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil. (Moroni 7:15-16)

And since 99% of American Mormons have embrace and give sympathy to False Isms and a member cannot be faithful while helping false isms what does that say about the membership and being peculiar?

Almost all U.S. Mormons choose to be a Fascist supporter by being a Republican or a Marxist supporter by being a Democrat.

Peculiar they ain't. Common Socialists Fascists they is.

Hel. 6: 38 And it came to pass on the other hand, that the Nephites did build them up and support them, beginning at the more wicked part of them, until they had overspread all the land of the Nephites, and had seduced the more part of the righteous until they had come down to believe in their works and partake of their spoils, and to join with them in their secret murders and combinations.

History is repeating. I wonder when the Prophet will call a famine down on this country. Blood...Famine...Chains... We earned it and were warned. Too bad the "Brethren" didn't do their homework and be faithful instead of embracing Fascism and Marxism.

Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and world-wide mission. The war in heaven is raging on earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle?

Amen Elder Benson... Amen!

[seer stone]

And since 99% of American Mormons have embrace and give sympathy to False Isms and a member cannot be faithful while helping false isms what does that say about the membership and being peculiar?

Almost all U.S. Mormons choose to be a Fascist supporter by being a Republican or a Marxist supporter by being a Democrat.

Peculiar they ain't. Common Socialists Fascist they is

There is no doubt the majority of Mormons have not awaken from their deep slumber. My wife is one of them. Not that she is happy with the direction the country is headed. It's just she doesn't want to hear that t corruption in our government exists. She's content in believing that we are led by honorable people who have good intensions. Does that make her a bad person? Like most Mormons, she can't handle the extra stress if she really knew what is actually happening behind the scenes politically.

Everyone has that elder in their quorum who rambles on, possibly because he loves to hear his own voice. The one in our quorum was complaining about having to vote for the lesser of two evils during the last presidential election. I reminded him that there is more than just two parties. He told me that voting for anything other than the two major parties would be throwing his vote away. The thing is, he really didn't realize he was throwing his vote away if he's voting for evil even if it's the lesser of two. I often think to myself, "Is this the candiate Christ would vote for?"

Most Mormons will vote for Mitt Romney because they feel comfortable having one of their own in the white house. Will any of them do the research? Probably not! They just will rely on the faith that he was brought up with LDS values.

Personally, I like Ron Paul much better. You judge a tree by his fruit. He sold me when he resigned from the primary and went away from his own party to endorse Chuck Baldwin.

The only thing benefitial about having Romney as president is he will probably seek advice from the prophet. Whether he has the backbone to use that advice when all eyes are on him is the golden question.

[Wiikwajio]

And since 99% of American Mormons have embrace and give sympathy to False Isms and a member cannot be faithful while helping false isms what does that say about the membership and being peculiar?

Almost all U.S. Mormons choose to be a Fascist supporter by being a Republican or a Marxist supporter by being a Democrat.

Peculiar they ain't. Common Socialists Fascist they is

There is no doubt the majority of Mormons have not awaken from their deep slumber. My wife is one of them. Not that she is happy with the direction the country is headed. It's just she doesn't want to hear that t corruption in our government exists. She's content in believing that we are led by honorable people who have good intensions. Does that make her a bad person? Like most Mormons, she can't handle the extra stress if she really knew what is actually happening behind the scenes politically.

Everyone has that elder in their quorum who rambles on, possibly because he loves to hear his own voice. The one in our quorum was complaining about having to vote for the lesser of two evils during the last presidential election. I reminded him that there is more than just two parties. He told me that voting for anything other than the two major parties would be throwing his vote away. The thing is, he really didn't realize he was throwing his vote away if he's voting for evil even if it's the lesser of two. I often think to myself, "Is this the candiate Christ would vote for?"

Most Mormons will vote for Mitt Romney because they feel comfortable having one of their own in the white house. Will any of them do the research? Probably not! They just will rely on the faith that he was brought up with LDS values.

Personally, I like Ron Paul much better. You judge a tree by his fruit. He sold me when he resigned from the primary and went away from his own party to endorse Chuck Baldwin.

The only thing benefitial about having Romney as president is he will probably seek advice from the prophet. Whether he has the backbone to use that advice when all eyes are on him is the golden question.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” — John Quincy Adams
http://www.sovereignfellowship.com/tos/19.1/

Did a person that thought Hitler was the Salvation of Germany and was a person like a prophet that was revered by the German people, a bad person?

Was the Branch President that excommunicated Helmuth Hübener a bad person?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_Hübener

Were Jews that supported the leaders that convicted Christ bad people since they believed they were "led by honorable people who ha[d] good intensions?"

Were the people that supported King Noah good people or bad people?

Do you believe that these Jews that supported the leaders that had Christ crucified could have handled the stress of knowing they are supporting the murder of Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

When you can answer those questions let me know.

I answered them for myself and that is why I do not vote for Republicans and do not pay income taxes or have a Social Security Number. I cannot look upon evil with the least degree of allowance and believe that we will be judged for supporting Fascists and Good hearted Socialists. If you can then that is certainly your right to do so.

I most certainly could be wrong and do not want to force my morality on anyone but if I am wrong then I don't think much of such a god that is not just so I don't worship such a god. Maybe God does not judge those that allow and support through voluntary choices and self-imposed ignorance the plans of Gadianton and Socialists and Marxists but I do not worship such a god. Neither does my wife. She refused to worship such a god when she went on a hunger strike at 8 years old against such teachings in Catholic school and then at 10 decided to never file an Income tax return and she never did.

Do you think that people that intentionally turn their heads so that they cannot see murders being committed by their leaders will be found guiltless? I don't but then that is just crazy ole' me.

You see I feel like if you have the opportunity to know people are being murdered and enslaved but instead go on "believing that we are led by honorable people who have good intensions" that such people are still guilty. The German people as a whole were guilty of what was done because they ALLOWED him to do those things. But they are certainly not as guilty as LDS because where much is given much is expected. But that is just my opinion.

After I studied the Maxims of the Common law I no longer felt that ignorance of the law or the obvious facts was an excuse to intentionally remain ignorant to that it will not cause us stress.

He is not deceived who know himself to be deceived. Non decipitur qui scit se decipi.

Time runs against the slothful and those who neglect their rights. Currit tempus contra desides et sui juris contemptores.

To be able to know is the same as to know. This maxim is applied to the duty of every one to know the law. Idem est scire aut scire debet aut potuisse.

Gross negligence is a fault, gross fault is a fraud. Manga negligentia culpa est, magna culpa dolus est

Great neglect is equivalent to fraud. Magna culpa dolus est.

Every consent removes error. Omnis consensus tollit errorem.

It is better to suffer every wrong or ill, than to consent to it. Melius est omnia mala pati quam malo concentire.

It is better to recede than to proceed in evil. Melius est recurrere quam malo currere.