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Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonville, F

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 12:27 am
by Mullenite
Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonville, FL.

Check it out

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1275016676

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 1:02 am
by bobhenstra
Again, its not an Air Force Base, its a private air strip called Reynolds Air Park. Its not guarded and its closed. The only word we have that those are UN vehicles is from the video, no close ups of the vehicles, no vehicles parked around the buildings, no guards--nothing. No evidence there is any maintenance happening.

I don't know what they are, but I'm not taking some "nobody's" word for it. This has been making the rounds for several years now, you'd think they'd update the pictures once in a while.

Last time it made the rounds it was 4000 UN vehicles.

For more intense intrigue, check out;
http://nomorecensorship.com/tag/reynolds-airpark/
Bob

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 7:46 am
by BroJones
So I checked Bob's link, and found it interesting:
Now, for the BAD NEWS — “Reynolds Airpark” is listed in the Clay County Fla. plat/tax rolls as being wholly owned by a company named Pegasus International. Ok, I thought, what exactly is “Pegasus International” and what exactly do they do?? Well – among other things, they just happen to be involved in the OIL DRILLING BUSINESS
– with ties to Halliburton and BRITISH PETROLEUM!!! What the h**l??? See their website at: pegasus-international.com
Then, of all things, they just happen to have an office in Salt Lake City, Utah. Here is where the plot thickens. Their SLC office also houses Dick Cheney’s Halliburton, and is next to the Minerals Management Service


(MMS) offices. Worse, their U.K. office “address” is next door to (or possibly even a part of) British Petroleum as well. What is going on?? They also have “offices” in Turkmenistan, Nigeria, and Azerbijan – hotbeds of political intrigue and profiteering for BP. See universalpegasus.com
But — it gets worse, if possible. “Pegasus International” owns and operates Pegasus Technologies – which is involved in a neat little NSA/CIA operation titled the “Information Sharing Council” or ISC. Their “unclassified” 2006 report can be seen here (pdf). A careful reading of this document shows that part of the “Pegasus Program” is the deployment of thousands of vehicles across America, outfitted with domestic spying “Maximum Information Technology” (MaxIT) systems. MaxIT is a joint venture of the following companies: Appriss Inc., Bio-Key International, Inc., Business Communications Inc., Circadence Corporation, Cquay Technologies, Dell
, eLabs Inc., MS e-Center and Sun Microsystems. (See 12/12/03 report here)
When I studied DynCorp International, I found that DynCorp and Pegasus International are basically joined at the hips with many international “joint projects”. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that DynCorp, and Pegasus are CIA FRONT COMPANIES involved in the deepest black ops. (See NanoTech expose in “Dr. Ott’s Papers” here.)
Also, check this out. Dyncorp Int. was “purchased” back on April 12 by Cerberus Capital, and the “deal” was brokered by, you guessed it, Goldman Sachs who SHORTED TRANSOCEAN STOCKS on April 17, three days before the Gulf Oil debacle began. (See here for more details about that).
EDIT TO ADD: Additional Information
Confirmed they are CIA front company and the vehicles have been dispersed
Current Image VIA Bing of Reynolds Air Park. As of this time the UN Vehicles have been dispersed.
- In regards to the UN Vehicles at Reynolds Air park in FL; as of this time the vehicles are confirmed to be removed. We have visual/ Video confirmation as well as updated SAT Images. However it looks as if this air park serves as a shipping front for a CIA “Black Bag” front with ties to the CIA and DHS. Pegasus Technologies, INC.
Analysis indicates Pegasus is the contractor for the deployment of thses vehicles.Operating out of Reynolds Airpark in Green Cove Springs, Florida, FAA airport identifier FL60.
An analysis of thousands of flight records, aircraft registrations and corporate documents, as well as interviews
with former C.I.A. officers and pilots, show that the agency owns at least 26 planes, 10 of them purchased since 2001.
The agency has concealed its ownership behind a web of seven shell corporations that appear to have no employees
and no function apart from owning the aircraft.
The planes, regularly supplemented by private charters, are operated by real companies controlled by or tied to the agency,
including Aero Contractors and two Florida companies, Pegasus Technologies and Tepper Aviation.
I didn't know that Cheney/Halliburton had an office in SLC... not far from where "Dr Torture" Cheney received his honorary doctoral degree. Interesting.

But it looks like the UN transports are gone now -- so it's all OK and "innocuous" to use the 9/11 Commission's term... Right?

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 8:48 am
by buffalo_girl
The first 'cut&paste' link took me right to the Bismarck, ND Temple. I didn't see any UN trucks there so I typed in the coordinates for the other view. I didn't see anything I wanted to see there, so I went back to the Google view of our Temple.

What did you get when you put in the first link without the base coordinates?

Well, there you have it, Brother Jones! All sorts of intrigue, collusion, conspiracy, and corruption - right on SLC's doorstep. How does that fit with Utah's 'oil spill'?

Anyway, President Obama told us last night that these oil spills are our fault because we are gas gluttonous.

I'm not sure why these politicians always fail to mention the 1,000's of white jet tankers spewing particulate all over the northern hemisphere. It looks to me like they are using massive amounts of fuel & causing environmental degradation.

We are letting these idiots run riot over us. Harry Reid will have his Energy Bill passed before July 4!

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 1:10 pm
by SmallFarm
what is this utah oil spill I keep hearing about? :?:

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 1:32 pm
by buffalo_girl

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 1:45 pm
by Mackingster
bobhenstra wrote:Again, its not an Air Force Base, its a private air strip called Reynolds Air Park. Its not guarded and its closed. The only word we have that those are UN vehicles is from the video, no close ups of the vehicles, no vehicles parked around the buildings, no guards--nothing. No evidence there is any maintenance happening.

I don't know what they are, but I'm not taking some "nobody's" word for it. This has been making the rounds for several years now, you'd think they'd update the pictures once in a while.

Last time it made the rounds it was 4000 UN vehicles.

For more intense intrigue, check out;
http://nomorecensorship.com/tag/reynolds-airpark/
Bob
I agree. It use to be a US Navy airstrip, at least according to Wikipedia. Also a lot of commercial vehicles are white. From above you could argue while seeing a FedEX truck, that it was a UN truck. Unless there is on ground proof. Will I will take this as a grain of salt.

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 16th, 2010, 1:51 pm
by Mackingster

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 18th, 2010, 6:28 pm
by bobhenstra
DrJones wrote:So I checked Bob's link, and found it interesting:

I didn't know that Cheney/Halliburton had an office in SLC... not far from where "Dr Torture" Cheney received his honorary doctoral degree. Interesting.

I still don't know Cheney/Halliburton has an office in SLC, the second quote is as much from a "nobody" as the first quote.

But it looks like the UN transports are gone now -- so it's all OK and "innocuous" to use the 9/11 Commission's term... Right?
There never were UN vehicles at the site!

Were I part of the LDG group of our day, I might just try to do things that would cover up what "MY" group was secretly accomplishing. For example, I might try to get the liberals and the conservatives in this country at each others throat, feed each group false information about the other, keep each group fired up over false accusations, planted "proofs" that each group would readily accept as political gospel. If necessary I might cause large demonstrations, or riots that would act as cover for "MY" group working "undercover," somewhere behind all the noise my group was responsible for, noise that my group caused.

I'm not part of that LDG group, I tend to vote conservative, I have liberal friends whom I love very much, they also are not part of that LDG group. Only LDG's are part of that group, our job is to learn to recognize them, "NOT" make or believe groundless accusations, like those in the two links above.

We research the accusations, "not" simply accept them out of hand. If we can't take the time to research accusations as Steve does, then we ought to just shut up!!

When Cheney was speaking at the Y, I sit in the audience, not outside protesting his visit, not because of what people were accusing him of, but because my Prophet was also in the building. I didn't go out of my way to shake Cheney's hand, unlikely that I would have done so had I the opportunity, but I saw my Prophet do so. I ask myself, what did President Hinckley know that I didn't know, and more important, "why" didn't "I" know it??

At the time, Cheney occupied a position "at the very head of government" I knew then who and what he was and continues to be today, However, I have discovered that it is not yet time to unmask Bush/Cheney and the rest of those in that cartel. When it is time, Our Prophet will do it! Our job will then be to support our Prophet, a large percentage of the true church will fail that test, part of the cleansing.

We are to remain aware of our awful situation, be prepared both physically and spiritually, warn those we're able to warn, help the living and especially the dead, and endure to the end.

Thats the way I see it!

Bob

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 8:57 am
by Mark
bobhenstra wrote:
DrJones wrote:So I checked Bob's link, and found it interesting:

I didn't know that Cheney/Halliburton had an office in SLC... not far from where "Dr Torture" Cheney received his honorary doctoral degree. Interesting.

I still don't know Cheney/Halliburton has an office in SLC, the second quote is as much from a "nobody" as the first quote.

But it looks like the UN transports are gone now -- so it's all OK and "innocuous" to use the 9/11 Commission's term... Right?
There never were UN vehicles at the site!

Were I part of the LDG group of our day, I might just try to do things that would cover up what "MY" group was secretly accomplishing. For example, I might try to get the liberals and the conservatives in this country at each others throat, feed each group false information about the other, keep each group fired up over false accusations, planted "proofs" that each group would readily accept as political gospel. If necessary I might cause large demonstrations, or riots that would act as cover for "MY" group working "undercover," somewhere behind all the noise my group was responsible for, noise that my group caused.

I'm not part of that LDG group, I tend to vote conservative, I have liberal friends whom I love very much, they also are not part of that LDG group. Only LDG's are part of that group, our job is to learn to recognize them, "NOT" make or believe groundless accusations, like those in the two links above.

We research the accusations, "not" simply accept them out of hand. If we can't take the time to research accusations as Steve does, then we ought to just shut up!!

When Cheney was speaking at the Y, I sit in the audience, not outside protesting his visit, not because of what people were accusing him of, but because my Prophet was also in the building. I didn't go out of my way to shake Cheney's hand, unlikely that I would have done so had I the opportunity, but I saw my Prophet do so. I ask myself, what did President Hinckley know that I didn't know, and more important, "why" didn't "I" know it??

At the time, Cheney occupied a position "at the very head of government" I knew then who and what he was and continues to be today, However, I have discovered that it is not yet time to unmask Bush/Cheney and the rest of those in that cartel. When it is time, Our Prophet will do it! Our job will then be to support our Prophet, a large percentage of the true church will fail that test, part of the cleansing.

We are to remain aware of our awful situation, be prepared both physically and spiritually, warn those we're able to warn, help the living and especially the dead, and endure to the end.

Thats the way I see it!

Bob

As the old saying goes, Old People Have Crust On Their Mouths & Are Full of Wisdom. Bob proves it once again.

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 11:21 am
by BroJones
While you were applauding Cheney, Bob, I was watching the BYU proceedings (April 2007 Commencement) at home, the tears flowing freely. I guess this shows a difference between us.

But let me ask this of you, my friend, and Mark -- what do you say about Cheney's open and public support for gay marriages? (Let us not mention here his support for torture, lies about Iraq leading up to "terrible wars" and death, or his refusal to stop the plane as it approached the Pentagon -- no just this one issue for now please):
Speaking at the National Press Club for the Gerald R. Ford Foundation journalism awards, Cheney was asked about recent rulings and legislative action in Iowa and elsewhere that allowed for gay couples to legally wed.

"I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. ... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that."

Cheney has made similar arguments in support of gay marriage in the past, including during the run-up to the 2004 election

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/0 ... 09869.html

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 11:25 am
by BroJones
Oh, and one other thing -- I can't seem to find the eulogy of Dick Cheney offered by a top BYU administrator anywhere, not saying it was not a remarkable talk, but I would like to read or see it...

I recall he repeatedly pronounced the name "Cheen-y" which seemed a bit odd at the time, and that he noted Cheney's stance against deficit spending (I gasped at that).

Can anyone help find this talk?

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 12:08 pm
by buffalo_girl
"Cheen-y"
One of our temple presidency is originally from Wyoming. His surname is spelled exactly like our good buddy "Dick's".

He pronounces it "Cheen-y". He also looks enough like the illustrious Haliburton CEO to be a brother. Perhaps our former VP is of Mormon heritage?

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 12:19 pm
by Mark
DrJones wrote:While you were applauding Cheney, Bob, I was watching the proceedings at home, the tears flowing freely. I guess this shows a difference between us.

But let me ask this of you, my friend, and Mark -- what do you say about Cheney's open and public support for gay marriages? (Let us not mention here his support for torture, lies about Iraq leading up to "terrible wars" and death, or his refusal to stop the plane as it approached the Pentagon -- no just this one issue for now please):
Speaking at the National Press Club for the Gerald R. Ford Foundation journalism awards, Cheney was asked about recent rulings and legislative action in Iowa and elsewhere that allowed for gay couples to legally wed.

"I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. ... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that."

Cheney has made similar arguments in support of gay marriage in the past, including during the run-up to the 2004 election

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/0 ... 09869.html

I think you are missing the gist of Bobs post Doc. Perhaps I can post the most important part to me concerning Cheney and Co.
At the time, Cheney occupied a position "at the very head of government" I knew then who and what he was and continues to be today, However, I have discovered that it is not yet time to unmask Bush/Cheney and the rest of those in that cartel. When it is time, Our Prophet will do it! Our job will then be to support our Prophet, a large percentage of the true church will fail that test, part of the cleansing.

We are to remain aware of our awful situation, be prepared both physically and spiritually, warn those we're able to warn, help the living and especially the dead, and endure to the end.
Bob is not asleep here and he knows the score. I am a bit surprised that for someone who refers to BOM examples for us today like you always do that you seem to be missing the types and shadows and lessons to what Bob is saying should be our course today. :?

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 1:08 pm
by bobhenstra
[quote="DrJones"]While you were applauding Cheney, Bob, I was watching the proceedings at home, the tears flowing freely. I guess this shows a difference between us.

Well Steve, you'd be wrong on that account. While I did applaud, I applauded because the LDG was finished. His talk was pretty generic, he must have been told "something" about BYU's values as a "whole". And as I remember it, BYU didn't invite him, he invited himself.

The point is, my Prophet was there; My question? "Why" was my Prophet there? I spent several days in research looking for the answer;

ANSWER: Its not yet time to expose him and the rest the latter-day gadiantons!


But let me ask this of you, my friend, and Mark -- what do you say about Cheney's open and public support for gay marriages? (Let us not mention here his support for torture, lies about Iraq leading up to "terrible wars" and death, or his refusal to stop the plane as it approached the Pentagon -- no just this one issue for now please):

Speaking at the National Press Club for the Gerald R. Ford Foundation journalism awards, Cheney was asked about recent rulings and legislative action in Iowa and elsewhere that allowed for gay couples to legally wed.

"I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. ... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that."

Cheney has made similar arguments in support of gay marriage in the past, including during the run-up to the 2004 election[quote]

I sent my money in support of prop 8. However, just like I have the agency to support anything I wish to support, I have no right or authority to strip Cheney of his agency. All I have is just the vote, sometimes; some money, and a lot of prayer.

I do know that among sins, homosexuality is the last sin the Lord will tolerate in the mortal experience. But even there, only "IF" some living among the homosexuals are righteous (meaning continual repentance) Very bad things happen to those who utilize their agency in that way. (Sodom).

Cheney is an ldg, he was at the "VERY HEAD OF GOVERNMENT" It doest surprise me that he would support liberal moral issues, at the same time espouse conservative political issues. As I said before, politically, the ldg's are playing liberals off against we conservatives! And as a group we're all suckers for falling into that trap. I'm not so much worried about how the ldg's are attempting to accomplish their desires, my concern is the same as Nephi's concern, lack of repentance, whether liberal or conservative---or ldg!

Steve, my friend, again, I'm not so much concerned about liberal and conservative political differences, I'm concerned about differences in morality within each group, the lack of repentance in each group, the godless communist liberals on one side, the bigoted rednecks and KKK types on our side, therein lay our country's problems.

Liberal governments do work, Canada for example! Do they have their problems? Certainly! Do we??? Will the Saints who live under the liberal political system in Canada be refused the same blessings in eternity those of us who live in a conservative country will command? I think not! the question is one of morality leanings, not political leanings.

When it becomes an issue of politically leanings that are also morality issues, "then" we take a stand.

Cheney is an ldg, he plays both sides of the political spectrum, for his own selfish purposes, just like all the ldg's!

"There must be moderation in "all" things!" Moderation includes "ALL" things political, not moral!


My opinion

Bob

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 3:42 pm
by buffalo_girl
"There must be moderation in "all" things!" Moderation includes "ALL" things political, not moral!
Bob, I agree with you in every respect.
Matthew 18
7 ¶ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come*; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
* I read this to mean that we can only progress through opposition. Opposition that has helped me grow the most spiritually has come from other people.

The hardest trials to this point have been the result of how I felt I was being treated by another member of the Church. During those times I have had to stay very close to the Lord, to remain calm, to seek the Lord's direction in how to proceed, and to be pure enough in my thoughts and actions to allow the Holy Ghost to prompt responses to the person or situation. When I have successfully passed through such fires, I find a spiritual 'promotion' on the other side.

When I fret myself, fuss, condemn, lose sleep, lament, and question, I get stuck in the fire.
Matthew 24
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
There is that law of agency which we agreed to uphold. Awful as it is to witness the consequences of wicked men's decisions - unless we are prompted by the Lord to rebuke their actions in Christ's name - we must allow their actions to witness against them.
Alma 14
10 And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.
11 But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 4:35 pm
by BroJones
Mark wrote:
DrJones wrote:While you were applauding Cheney, Bob, I was watching the proceedings at home, the tears flowing freely. I guess this shows a difference between us.

But let me ask this of you, my friend, and Mark -- what do you say about Cheney's open and public support for gay marriages? (Let us not mention here his support for torture, lies about Iraq leading up to "terrible wars" and death, or his refusal to stop the plane as it approached the Pentagon -- no just this one issue for now please):
Speaking at the National Press Club for the Gerald R. Ford Foundation journalism awards, Cheney was asked about recent rulings and legislative action in Iowa and elsewhere that allowed for gay couples to legally wed.

"I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. ... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that."

Cheney has made similar arguments in support of gay marriage in the past, including during the run-up to the 2004 election

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/0 ... 09869.html

I think you are missing the gist of Bobs post Doc. Perhaps I can post the most important part to me concerning Cheney and Co.
At the time, Cheney occupied a position "at the very head of government" I knew then who and what he was and continues to be today, However, I have discovered that it is not yet time to unmask Bush/Cheney and the rest of those in that cartel. When it is time, Our Prophet will do it! Our job will then be to support our Prophet, a large percentage of the true church will fail that test, part of the cleansing.

We are to remain aware of our awful situation, be prepared both physically and spiritually, warn those we're able to warn, help the living and especially the dead, and endure to the end.
Bob is not asleep here and he knows the score. I am a bit surprised that for someone who refers to BOM examples for us today like you always do that you seem to be missing the types and shadows and lessons to what Bob is saying should be our course today. :?
So I see in the Book of Mormon the classic example of Nephi (Bk of Helaman) setting the example of exposing the Gadiantons at the "head of government" in his day. I do NOT see him holding back on unmasking them. And certainly, he did not give them honors like an honorary PhD of public service!
To the contrary. Abinadi, same thing; Ether, same thing, bold in exposing the "Gadiantons" -- but perhaps I've missed the "types and shadows" in the BOM you are referring to, Mark -- please explain/clarify.

[In this I do not mean to criticize the latter-day prophets at all; I'm just asking Mark to clarify the "types and shadows" he is referring to IN THE BOOK OF MORMON, to give us a few examples from the Book.]

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 4:41 pm
by BroJones
bobhenstra wrote:
DrJones wrote:While you were applauding Cheney, Bob, I was watching the proceedings at home, the tears flowing freely. I guess this shows a difference between us.

Well Steve, you'd be wrong on that account. While I did applaud, I applauded because the LDG was finished.


Do you mean you ONLY applauded at the end, and because he was finally finished?

Hey-- maybe that's why everybody was applauding! "Hooray, the ldg is finally finished jabbering!" Hadn't thought of that
(j/k).[/quote][/quote]

His talk was pretty generic, he must have been told "something" about BYU's values as a "whole". And as I remember it, BYU didn't invite him, he invited himself.


From the newspapers, Cheney's office called and offered the opportunity for him to speak. Also, BYU did not have to extend the honorary PhD to the ldg, did they? I've never quite understood why they went that far to placate this guy...

I
ts not yet time to expose him and the rest the latter-day gadiantons!

Cheney is an ldg, he was at the "VERY HEAD OF GOVERNMENT" It doest surprise me that he would support liberal moral issues, at the same time espouse conservative political issues. As I said before, politically, the ldg's are playing liberals off against we conservatives! And as a group we're all suckers for falling into that trap. I'm not so much worried about how the ldg's are attempting to accomplish their desires, my concern is the same as Nephi's concern, lack of repentance, whether liberal or conservative---or ldg!

Steve, my friend, again, I'm not so much concerned about liberal and conservative political differences, I'm concerned about differences in morality within each group, the lack of repentance in each group, the godless communist liberals on one side, the bigoted rednecks and KKK types on our side, therein lay our country's problems.

Liberal governments do work, Canada for example! Do they have their problems? Certainly! Do we??? Will the Saints who live under the liberal political system in Canada be refused the same blessings in eternity those of us who live in a conservative country will command? I think not! the question is one of morality leanings, not political leanings.

When it becomes an issue of politically leanings that are also morality issues, "then" we take a stand.

Cheney is an ldg, he plays both sides of the political spectrum, for his own selfish purposes, just like all the ldg's!

"There must be moderation in "all" things!" Moderation includes "ALL" things political, not moral![/color]

My opinion

Bob
[/quote]

When will it be time to "unmask the Gadiantons"?

And When will it be time to unmask the existence of secret prisons or internment camps?

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 6:00 pm
by bobhenstra
I don't know when the Lord will decide, he's in charge! Only a very small percentage of the true church recognize our ldg's, and most of the church will not accept the words of the Lord thru his Prophet when it does happen.

Several years ago I lost a good friend because I had the audacity to say Bush and Cheney were latter-day gadiantons, the buildings were brought down by explosives, He will not speak to me, we used to fish, hunt, camp and hike together. I have been ask to not say anything controversial in church by my priesthood leadership, so I do what they ask, I've no choice, they'll learn soon enough.

As to preparation, my ward and stake are pretty good, so I don't say much and hope they continue to prepare. I'm prepared, my family is prepared, thats about all I have control over.

As to when our Prophet will get on his tower, I know not, just that it will happen! As far as internment camps go, will you please point to the scripture that suggests that idea?

Bob

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 9:44 pm
by Mark
DrJones wrote:
So I see in the Book of Mormon the classic example of Nephi (Bk of Helaman) setting the example of exposing the Gadiantons at the "head of government" in his day. I do NOT see him holding back on unmasking them. And certainly, he did not give them honors like an honorary PhD of public service!
To the contrary. Abinadi, same thing; Ether, same thing, bold in exposing the "Gadiantons" -- but perhaps I've missed the "types and shadows" in the BOM you are referring to, Mark -- please explain/clarify.

[In this I do not mean to criticize the latter-day prophets at all; I'm just asking Mark to clarify the "types and shadows" he is referring to IN THE BOOK OF MORMON, to give us a few examples from the Book.]

As you mentioned in your examples from the Book of Mormon Doc these Brethren who boldly unmasked the Gadiantons in calling them to repentence all had one thing in common. They were the Lords Prophets and were inspired to do so as part of their stewardship. If the Lord wanted to unmask these latter day gadiantons publicly to the membership of the church in the cases you sited He would surely have done so thru his Prophet. Because Pres. Hinckley choose not to do so should tell you something of the Lords agenda regardless of what we as Saints may personally want to see happen.

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 11:29 pm
by moonwhim
So, Bob and Mark, are you saying that since the Prophet has not exposed the LDGs that we don't have to either? That therefore we don't have to warn our neighbors about the evil that is taking over our government and destroying America, or that we don't have to do anything to stop this juggernaut of evil until the Prophet tells us to? If that is correct then can you tell me when the Prophet has told us to wait until he has given the signal?

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 11:33 pm
by bobhenstra
moonwhim wrote:So, Bob and Mark, are you saying that since the Prophet has not exposed the LDGs that we don't have to either? That therefore we don't have to warn our neighbors about the evil that is taking over our government and destroying America, or that we don't have to do anything to stop this juggernaut of evil until the Prophet tells us to? If that is correct then can you tell me when the Prophet has told us to wait until he has given the signal?
Question already answered, please reread all posts.

Bob

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 11:38 pm
by moonwhim
bobhenstra wrote:
moonwhim wrote:So, Bob and Mark, are you saying that since the Prophet has not exposed the LDGs that we don't have to either? That therefore we don't have to warn our neighbors about the evil that is taking over our government and destroying America, or that we don't have to do anything to stop this juggernaut of evil until the Prophet tells us to? If that is correct then can you tell me when the Prophet has told us to wait until he has given the signal?
Question already answered, please reread all posts.

Bob
Well Bob all I see is an assumption on your part that because the Prophet has not exposed the LDGs that therefore we will do the same thing and wait until he tells us to. If I have missed something more obvious, please inform.

Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 19th, 2010, 11:47 pm
by bobhenstra
bobhenstra wrote:
DrJones wrote:So I checked Bob's link, and found it interesting:

I didn't know that Cheney/Halliburton had an office in SLC... not far from where "Dr Torture" Cheney received his honorary doctoral degree. Interesting.

I still don't know Cheney/Halliburton has an office in SLC, the second quote is as much from a "nobody" as the first quote.

But it looks like the UN transports are gone now -- so it's all OK and "innocuous" to use the 9/11 Commission's term... Right?
There never were UN vehicles at the site!

Were I part of the LDG group of our day, I might just try to do things that would cover up what "MY" group was secretly accomplishing. For example, I might try to get the liberals and the conservatives in this country at each others throat, feed each group false information about the other, keep each group fired up over false accusations, planted "proofs" that each group would readily accept as political gospel. If necessary I might cause large demonstrations, or riots that would act as cover for "MY" group working "undercover," somewhere behind all the noise my group was responsible for, noise that my group caused.

I'm not part of that LDG group, I tend to vote conservative, I have liberal friends whom I love very much, they also are not part of that LDG group. Only LDG's are part of that group, our job is to learn to recognize them, "NOT" make or believe groundless accusations, like those in the two links above.

We research the accusations, "not" simply accept them out of hand. If we can't take the time to research accusations as Steve does, then we ought to just shut up!!

When Cheney was speaking at the Y, I sit in the audience, not outside protesting his visit, not because of what people were accusing him of, but because my Prophet was also in the building. I didn't go out of my way to shake Cheney's hand, unlikely that I would have done so had I the opportunity, but I saw my Prophet do so. I ask myself, what did President Hinckley know that I didn't know, and more important, "why" didn't "I" know it??

At the time, Cheney occupied a position "at the very head of government" I knew then who and what he was and continues to be today, However, I have discovered that it is not yet time to unmask Bush/Cheney and the rest of those in that cartel. When it is time, Our Prophet will do it! Our job will then be to support our Prophet, a large percentage of the true church will fail that test, part of the cleansing.

We are to remain aware of our awful situation, be prepared both physically and spiritually, warn those we're able to warn, help the living and especially the dead, and endure to the end.

Thats the way I see it!

Bob
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Re: Thousand UN trucks at a air force base near Jacksonvill

Posted: June 20th, 2010, 12:41 am
by BroJones
Mark wrote:
DrJones wrote:
So I see in the Book of Mormon the classic example of Nephi (Bk of Helaman) setting the example of exposing the Gadiantons at the "head of government" in his day. I do NOT see him holding back on unmasking them. And certainly, he did not give them honors like an honorary PhD of public service!
To the contrary. Abinadi, same thing; Ether, same thing, bold in exposing the "Gadiantons" -- but perhaps I've missed the "types and shadows" in the BOM you are referring to, Mark -- please explain/clarify.

[In this I do not mean to criticize the latter-day prophets at all; I'm just asking Mark to clarify the "types and shadows" he is referring to IN THE BOOK OF MORMON, to give us a few examples from the Book.]

As you mentioned in your examples from the Book of Mormon Doc these Brethren who boldly unmasked the Gadiantons in calling them to repentence all had one thing in common. They were the Lords Prophets and were inspired to do so as part of their stewardship. If the Lord wanted to unmask these latter day gadiantons publicly to the membership of the church in the cases you sited He would surely have done so thru his Prophet. Because Pres. Hinckley choose not to do so should tell you something of the Lords agenda regardless of what we as Saints may personally want to see happen.
Mark, you failed to provide the "types and shadows" of those who did not unmask the Gadiantons from the Book of Mormon -- it was YOU who said those types were there and I asked for examples. I provided CONTRARY examples, of prophets who boldly "unmasked the Gadiantions", Nephi son of Helaman, Abinadi and Ether.

As regards this statement of yours: " If the Lord wanted to unmask these latter day gadiantons publicly to the membership of the church in the cases you sited He would surely have done so thru his Prophet. Because Pres. Hinckley choose not to do so..."
I believe this latter statement about Pres. Hinckley is erroneous, for he unmasked them very clearly in his article in the August 2005 Ensign. I will quote in part from it:
The Book of Mormon… in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems….The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises… These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations…." Pres. Hinckley, Ensign, Aug 2005
You will read in Ether 8 that it is the secret combinations that resulted in the final extinction of the Jaredite and Nephite civilizations.

I don't know how the prophet could have been more clear regarding the identity of the latter-day Gadiantons.
And please note, my dear friends, that it is NOT Al Qaeda that would constitute the "scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises…"


It is striking that so few are aware that Pres. Hinckley even made this statement regarding the ldg's. I have pointed out his statement several times already in this forum.

And I think we should follow his example in unmasking the ldg's; our America may depend on it (Ether 4 - 8, Mormon 8, etc.)

I appreciate that Bob has in the past tried to warn people about some of the activities of the ldg's -- the whore Babylon leaders especially. Others on this forum are particularly valiant in this fight, IMO.