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This is it. It's over. Get ready for the most insane year of your life. 5 years. 10 years. One day you will look back at your life right now and think about how easy it was, how innocent. We are on the cusp of total collapse, right at the precipice.

If you're like most people you probably have already decided that I am exaggerating without knowing why I am saying this. Well let me make it clear that I also wish I was exaggerating. I don't sell survival equipment or gold. My job is not recession proof. I have a family. I didn't wake up today and randomly decide to declare that this is the end of life as we know it. But I do research. I make calls and tune into radio, scouring the internet for news clips and analysis. I make a concerted effort to only quote trustworthy sources. The information that has emerged over the past few days confirms fears that this is actually an "Armageddon" event. I am being completely serious.

Check it: The oil, spewing out at 20,000 to 70,000 psi, and the sediment within it has eroded the very walls of the well itself in several areas. This means that this is now an uncontainable gusher that is literally spewing oil up from dozens of sites across the gulf floor. The massive oil pocket tapped under immense pressure is now spewing out into the seabed. Capping the well does nothing. The oil pocket is tapped, the pipe is eroded and the oil is now spewing up to the ocean floor with intense pressure. Plumes are being generated everywhere. They cannot stop this. Human technology cannot contain a liquid at that pressure, especially at that depth under the ocean. We simply do not have the technology or know-how to fix this. We don't. The relief wells are essentially useless now because the original well cannot be plugged so oil will always flow out of it regardless of how many other wells they dig. They needed to get into the pipe, fill the old pipe with mud and cement and then divert the oil into the new well. But because the tapped oil pocket is sand blasting itself routes to the surface that grow each day in diameter due to the eroding walls and passageways, there is no "well" to fill. That is because whats left of the well is already dissolving. And each day that passes until they drill their so-called "relief wells" will only see the oil finding new routes through the escapes it has carved through erosion of the pipes and rock. Thad Allen, the head of the US Coast Guard, has said that the oil isn't all flowing up the pipe anymore but is now "in communication" with the seabed and the surrounding soft rock formation. It is now blasting its own wells.

Ya, that's bad, but that isn't even the scary part. Hydrogen Sulfide, Benzene, Methylene Chloride, and other toxic gases are also spewing out along with the oil. In concentrations hundreds and thousands of times greater than what is considered safe for humans. Lethal levels. When the hurricanes come they will absorb this toxic seawater and drop it as rain. Literally toxic rain. Let me guess, toxic rain doesn't scare you. The biggest threat is already actualized with the chemicals entering the atmosphere and being carried around by the wind.

“The media coverage of the BP oil disaster to date has focused largely on the threats to wildlife, but the latest evaluation of air monitoring data shows a serious threat to human health from airborne chemicals emitted by the ongoing deepwater gusher,” the Institute for Southern Studies blog reported on May 10.

Any one of these chemicals in these concentrations would be lethal. Mixed together it's truly unthinkable.

The fragile US economy, in the midst of a feeble attempt at a jobless recovery, overstretched by war and out of control spending is not equipped to handle a disaster of this magnitude. No country in the world could. Remember how well they handled the Katrina thing? This makes Katrina look like a grade school fire drill. Well I wonder how well they will do this time as they prepare to evacuate entire cities and states. See this and this. Once the evacuations begin the markets will tank. Once people are forced to grasp what is happening around them the global economy will come to a screeching halt as it's engine, the USA, sinks into the throes of the worst environmental disaster in the history of the world. This will cause a dollar confidence crisis. Enraged citizens will riot and loot with no hope of a decent life ahead of them. Martial law will be declared.

They have no way to stop this, only a theory that maybe a nuke would implode the oil pocket. Ya, we're talking about nuking the earths crust under the ocean. Eventually the oil will make it's way around the world as the entire oil deposit is unleashed into the ocean.

Are you buying the crap coming from BP? The bogus press releases and the downplayed assessments? They've been lying through their teeth, censoring the media and destroying evidence. If you trust them, you have some problems.
http://johndotyjr.blogspot.com/2010/06/ ... as-we.html

Chip45 wrote:SOURCE for quote? I did listen to a man interviewed on Alex Jones, yesterday and his comments were exactly like these you published on this forum. I wonder, is he the same source? Some pastor guy .... anyway ... plausible scenario. I have thought, before this type of breaking news, that with the fragility of the U.S. economy now, such a disaster, even if not of the magnitude described in your text, could easily be the trigger of more serious financial crisis. It does tend to spook me some. Not in a panic (yet?) but maybe I'll accelerate some preparedness purchases this week and the next ... and the next .....

Chip45 wrote:SOURCE for quote? I did listen to a man interviewed on Alex Jones, yesterday and his comments were exactly like these you published on this forum. I wonder, is he the same source? Some pastor guy .... anyway ... plausible scenario. I have thought, before this type of breaking news, that with the fragility of the U.S. economy now, such a disaster, even if not of the magnitude described in your text, could easily be the trigger of more serious financial crisis. It does tend to spook me some. Not in a panic (yet?) but maybe I'll accelerate some preparedness purchases this week and the next ... and the next .....

dconrad000 wrote:

dconrad000 wrote:...according to Lindsey William's inside contact, this is a disaster much worse than anyone can imagine...the pressure is so enormous -- human technology cannot contain it...

...that it was not done deliberately...that the Elite who sold stocks in advance received info from the occult to do so...

But now that this crisis is occurring, according to his inside contact -- the Elite plan to use the crisis to push through their economic & enslavement agenda.


Lindsey Williams Talks With Alex Jones About What Is Really Happening With BP Spill


http://www.infowars.com/lindsey-william ... -bp-spill/

...related...

Is it possible British Petroleum is the law in Louisiana? Check out the man in the video below who insists he has the right to prevent the media from interviewing workers hired by BP to clean up its mess on the beach. BP says workers have permission to talk with the media, but it would seem after watching the video they are under instructions not to talk to the media if they want to keep their jobs in this jobless economy.

BP Beach Boss Says He Has Authority to Keep Media Off Public Land


http://www.infowars.com/bp-beach-boss-s ... blic-land/

dconrad000 wrote:May Levels of Toxic Gases in Gulf Back Up Claim Made by Lindsey Williams



http://www.infowars.com/may-levels-of-t ... -williams/

dconrad000 wrote:MARTIAL LAW ALERT: Gulf Coast Evacuation Scenario Summer/Fall 2010


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SoCal Martial Law Alerts (SCMLA) has been in existence for a year and a half and
this is our first MARTIAL LAW ALERT.

We have withheld putting out information on the Gulf oil spill for a variety of reasons, but there is now enough evidence for us to put together a fairly clear picture of what really happened, what may result and to warn people who live in the area.

THE SITUATION:

Due to toxic gases from the fractured oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, the possible off-gassing of the highly-toxic Corexit 9500 (the chemical dispersant used by BP in the oil spill clean-up), acid rain and various as-yet-unknown forms of environmental damage, we believe that the government will have no choice but to relocate millions of people away from the Gulf Coast. Those living in Florida are presently at the highest risk, but the danger also appears likely to spread to all Gulf Coast states east of Louisiana and possibly even to the entire Eastern half of the United States once hurricane season begins.

Greg Evensen, a retired Kansas Highway Patrolman, estimates that 30-40 million people would need to be evacuated away from the Gulf’s coastline (i.e. at least 200 miles inland). In order to accomplish this gargantuan feat, the federal government (through FEMA and other agencies) would most likely seek first to control and manage the transportation system and then operate relocation centers to manage evacuees. Toward this end, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has already declared the airspace over the oil spill site to be a no-fly zone until further notice. Various sources have indicated that local police, highway patrol, National Guard, US military and foreign troops may be involved in an operation to evacuate the Gulf Coast. In fact, the Governor of Louisiana has already requested evacuation assistance (i.e. National Guard) for his state from the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Those living inland may also be at risk, since the movement of vast numbers of evacuees would cause a significant strain on local resources. In other words, inlanders should not expect life to continue “as normal,” since, under a martial law scenario, the government would have the power and the motivation to seize everyday necessities, such as: food, water, fuel, housing, etc. Some have also suggested that if a hurricane were to occur over the oil spill area itself, lightning might possibly ignite volatile organic compounds, not to mention the acid rain clouds that could form and be carried inland (i.e. acid rain could pollute the water table, destroy crops, kill wildlife and pose significant health risks to humans in the southern and eastern states.)

Lastly, Lindsay Williams, a former Alaskan pipeline chaplain with high-level oil industry connections, has suggested that BP, in conjunction with the federal government, might try to cap the well by using a nuclear explosion – the environmental consequences of which are currently unknown.

OUR RECOMMENDATION:

If you live, or if you know people who live on, or within 200 miles of the Gulf Coast area, we recommend that they immediately relocate to at least 200 miles inland (i.e. the farther away, the better). If people living within this 200-mile zone do not relocate voluntarily (i.e. on their own initiative), it appears likely that a forced evacuation through a martial-law scenario may occur within the coming weeks and (possibly) months.

Our country has been in a state of national emergency since September 11, 2001, which means that martial law (i.e. military rule) can be declared by the President at any time, for any reason – large, or small. If martial law is implemented, evacuees will lose their ability to determine when and where they will move and for how long, since the normal protections of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights will have been suspended. To put it bluntly, a scenario in which evacuees are forced to live in relocation centers for an unspecified length of time is not unlikely.

MARTIAL LAW ALERT: Gulf Coast Evacuation Scenario Summer/Fall 2010


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Nan wrote:I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen with this and the chain reaction it is going to cause. Heck I don't think anyone even knows the truth of this situation. My husband still wonders if one of obama's friends actually caused the explosion in the first place thinking they could contain it and look like heroes.

Col. Flagg wrote:

Nan wrote:I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen with this and the chain reaction it is going to cause. Heck I don't think anyone even knows the truth of this situation. My husband still wonders if one of obama's friends actually caused the explosion in the first place thinking they could contain it and look like heroes.

The explosion was the result of BP tapping into an oil reservoir that was 30,000 feet below the sea floor when they only had a permit to drill to 15,000... at that depth, the pressure is simply too great for anything to handle. It would appear here that greed trumped common sense, caution and safety, which is why we have an oil volcano in the Gulf... any notion that this was planned or a false flag op is, IMHO, silly.

...according to Lindsey William's inside contact, this is a disaster much worse than anyone can imagine...the pressure is so enormous -- human technology cannot contain it...

...that it was not done deliberately...that the Elite who sold stocks in advance received info from the occult to do so...

But now that this crisis is occurring, according to his inside contact -- the Elite plan to use the crisis to push through their economic & enslavement agenda.

InfoWarrior82 wrote:After all, it may come to nuclear war, but I think the LDG's only threaten the use of them and count on that strategy to get their way.

This is it. It's over. Get ready for the most insane year of your life. 5 years. 10 years. One day you will look back at your life right now and think about how easy it was, how innocent. We are on the cusp of total collapse, right at the precipice.

Mark wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9rmuQ3aApw

Civilization could end in a giant methane belch
By Anne McIlroy
19-10-03
It sounds like a rude way for civilization as we know it to end -- in a giant belch. But that's just what a US scientist thinks was responsible for one of the largest and more mysterious mass extinctions in the earth's history.
Not only does Gregory Ryskin, a chemical engineer at Northwestern University, believe that a deadly burp of methane from deep in the ocean wiped out much of life on the planet. He thinks it could happen again. One day, he says, humans could face the same gaseous fate as the mammal-like reptiles that roamed the planet 250 mm years ago.
We know what these ancient creatures looked like only by their fossils. Almost all of the species on land or water were killed in an environmental catastrophe even worse than the one that wiped out the dinosaurs less than 200 mm years later. A comet or asteroid hitting the earth is the widely accepted explanation for the death of the dinosaurs 65 mm years ago, but evidence that a heavenly body also was to blame for themuch earlier mass extinction is not as clear-cut.
This has left more room for alternative theories, including Ryskin's. In the journal Geology, he argues that an extremely fast release of gas from the ocean could explode with a force greater than that created by detonating all the planet's nuclear weapons at once.
Just such a gas event, although on a much smaller scale, happened in Africa much more recently. In 1986, an eruption of carbon dioxide in Cameroon's Lake Nyos killed 1,700 people. It was a silent catastrophe. Because the deadly gas is denser than air, it travelled quickly along the ground, suffocating anyone in its way.
The oceans contain more of such explosive gases, including frozen deposits of methane deep beneath the ocean floor off Canada's Vancouver Island. Experts believe that the methane hydrate, also found off the coast of Japan, the United States and other continental shelves, may contain more energy than all the world's oil and natural gas combined. Methane is produced in the deep by decaying bacteria.
"It can be calculated that 1 % of ocean volume can contain so much methane that its explosive nuclear force exceeds the total nuclear arsenal of the world by 10,000 times," Ryskin said.
His theory is that, deep in the ocean, methane dissolves in water and is trapped there, just as the carbon dioxide was trapped in Lake Nyos. A disturbance, perhaps an earthquake, forces the water laden with methane closer to the surface where, under reduced pressure, the gas starts to bubble out. It quickly moves upward and leaves the water in a giant flammable burp. Large amounts of methane and other gases are ejected into the air, and vast areas of land are flooded.
Pure methane is lighter than air, but methane loaded with water droplets is heavier, and spreads across the land until it encounters a flash of lightning. Kaboom.
"Explosions and conflagrations destroy most of terrestrial life," Ryskin says, "and also produce great amounts of smoke and carbon dioxide."
It sounds like the plot of a Hollywood thriller, but University of Toronto physicist Nigel Edwards, who studies methane hydrate, says: "It is not madness by any means. It is possible."
Ryskin believes it is a possibility worth studying that fits with theories about asteroids and other possible natural or human causes that could bring another great extinction.
Source: Toronto Globe and Mail

What if fossil fuels aren't fossils and are actually renewable?
24-05-01
It's the basic terminology people use to discuss energy: On one hand are "fossil fuels," left over from the decayed remains of millions of years worth of vegetation and ultimately destined to run out; on the other hand are "renewable" resources that could sustain human activities indefinitely.
But what if fossil fuels aren't fossils, and are actually renewable? To most people, that question sounds as reasonable as asking what if down were up, or the XFL were a big, classy hit. But a handful of scientists, led by the unconventional astronomer Thomas Gold of Cornell University, say petroleum has as much to do with fossils as the moon has to do with green cheese.
Gold's claim, spelled out in a book just out in paperback as well as a talk at the Harvard Coop, challenges basic premises of the energy debate, from environmentalists' warning of oil's eventual decline to George W. Bush's current talk about an energy shortage. Dig deep enough, Gold says, and almost anyone can strike oil. Expectedly, most mainstream petroleum geologists view this contrarian point of view with scorn, derision or indifference.
"We're very familiar with Tommy Gold," said Larry Nation, a spokesman for the American Association of Petroleum Geologists. Geologists in that field "are more open-minded than you might think. They're a pretty independent bunch, or there wouldn't be so many dry holes." But most of them draw the line at Gold's theory.
At least one successful natural gas geologist, though, has sided with Gold's unorthodox concept, which, in essence, goes like this: Far from being the product of decayed vegetation, petroleum is manufactured constantly in the Earth's crust. It is made from methane, or natural gas, the simplest of all the hydrocarbon fuels, as it bubbles up from the depths of the Earth where it has existed since the planet's formation more than 4 bn years ago.
As it rises, the methane is consumed by billions of microbes that exist in a dark netherworld where sunlight never penetrates. While all surface life depends on sunlight, this deep, hidden realm of life -- dubbed by Gold "The Deep Hot Biosphere," (also the title of his book) -- lives on the chemical energy of the methane itself. The biological traces found in all petroleum, he argues, are derived from this hidden form of life, not from decayed plants.
If Gold's theory is right, then the Earth's reserves of petroleum and natural gas may be hundreds of times greater than most geologists now believe. Oil wells that are pumped dry will simply refill themselves as more methane and petroleum work their way upward to fill the emptied spaces in the rock. This has already happened in a few places, geologists agree -- something that is hard to explain by the conventional theory.
Gold's theory "explains best what we actually encountered in deep drilling operations," said Robert Hefner III, a natural gas geologist who has discovered vast gas deposits in Oklahoma over the past three decades, tapped by some of the deepest wells yet drilled. Accordingto conventional theory, it should be impossible for petroleum or natural gas even to exist at such depths, Hefner said.
Echoing Gold's view, Hefner said astronomers have found hydrocarbons such as methane on virtually every planet and moon ever studied, as well as the far corners of the universe -- places where the conventional view of hydrocarbons forming from decaying remains of living organisms couldn't possibly apply. But nobody's betting on Gold's ideas at this point. "Most petroleum geologists don't agree with his theory," Nation said. "But it's fun to talk about."
Source: The Boston Globe

Giant bubbles of methane gas could have destroyed trawler
01-12-00
The wreck of a ghost ship, lying in a huge crater in the North Sea, has lead to claims by marine scientists that giant bubbles of methane gas could have created a Scottish version of the Bermuda Triangle. The trawler, lying in a crater known to fishermen as the Witch's Hole, is stripped of its wooden wheelhouse and deck after more than 70 years beneath the waves and only its steel hull remains. It was discovered by a remote-operated vehicle.
The vessel lies in an area which is pockmarked by circular depressions in the sand - the signs of escaping gas. The scientists, from St Andrews and Sunderland universities, believe that the vessel may have sunk after being enveloped by a giant bubble of methane gas. Similar emissions in the Caribbean have already been suggested as one of the explanations for the loss of scores of vessels in the Bermuda Triangle.
Source: The Scotsman Online