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This is fantastic!!! http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56&load=3492

That was really well done - I posted a link over on the Liberty Forest forum.

Thanks!

Original_Intent wrote:That was really well done - I posted a link over on the Liberty Forest forum.

Thanks!

Too bad he did not spend the 1/2 a million on people that kept their oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies instead of serving under a Marxist Commander-in-Chief.

But then he is an oil man and those military guys are fighting for oil and other minerals. http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... ghanistan/

Fight the lie. We MUST stop supporting American Imperialism. It is is evil!

You cannot have an offensive war that is righteous.

Wiikwajio wrote:

Original_Intent wrote:That was really well done - I posted a link over on the Liberty Forest forum.

Thanks!

Too bad he did not spend the 1/2 a million on people that kept their oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies instead of serving under a Marxist Commander-in-Chief.

But then he is an oil man and those military guys are fighting for oil and other minerals. http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... ghanistan/

Fight the lie. We MUST stop supporting American Imperialism. It is is evil!

You cannot have an offensive war that is righteous.

I'm amazed you have not been translated yet Dr. What in the world could the Lord be waiting for??

clarkkent14 wrote:This is fantastic!!! http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56&load=3492

Excellent....Thank You!!!

Mark wrote:
I'm amazed you have not been translated yet Dr. What in the world could the Lord be waiting for??

Because I always follow my motto: A sin a day keeps translation away.

It has always worked well for me.

How about you, Mark?

Or are you one of those that crosses themselves before entering into the temple just to make sure? That one was from my cousin that lived in Utah.

Wiikwajio wrote:

Original_Intent wrote:That was really well done - I posted a link over on the Liberty Forest forum.

Thanks!

Too bad he did not spend the 1/2 a million on people that kept their oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies instead of serving under a Marxist Commander-in-Chief.

But then he is an oil man and those military guys are fighting for oil and other minerals. http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... ghanistan/

Fight the lie. We MUST stop supporting American Imperialism. It is is evil!

You cannot have an offensive war that is righteous.

Wiik

How dare you belittle these people that are helping others?
I am sick and tired of you and all your sick comments.
go get a real job and quit crying about the police.. move on allready!!
Enough with your anti American rhetoric too . If you hate this county
so bad leave… I will buy your ticket myself. As bad as the government may
be you’re a whole lot worse.
And I don’t care if they kick me off this stupid forum. You are a real jerk!!!!

KalelIsbell wrote:

Wiikwajio wrote:Too bad he did not spend the 1/2 a million on people that kept their oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies instead of serving under a Marxist Commander-in-Chief.

But then he is an oil man and those military guys are fighting for oil and other minerals. http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... ghanistan/

Fight the lie. We MUST stop supporting American Imperialism. It is is evil!

You cannot have an offensive war that is righteous.

Wiik

How dare you belittle these people that are helping others?
I am sick and tired of you and all your sick comments.
go get a real job and quit crying about the police.. move on allready!!
Enough with your anti American rhetoric too . If you hate this county
so bad leave… I will buy your ticket myself. As bad as the government may
be you’re a whole lot worse.
And I don’t care if they kick me off this stupid forum. You are a real jerk!!!!

You remind me of the American Tories that supported England. "How dare you, Wiik, oppose people that help the King's troops. You are a jerk to not support the king's troops and lend them aid and sympathy."

When General Sherman invaded the South he used a scorched earth policy so that no one in the South could help the Rebel troops. If the current American troops were not honored as heroes they would be less inclined to join the military and serve as the international domestic foreign policy pawn of the International Bankers. I refuse to give the troops that fight in undeclared foreign wars with a Marxist Commander-in-Cheif sympathy.

Why are you supporting people that want to continue to abuse and send to slaughter men that love America? Why am I a jerk for opposing the support of people that support Fascism? Or do you support Fascism with your acts while opposing it with your lips. What is that saying...They come near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me.

Republicans and Military men come near to liberty with their words but their actions PROMOTE WORLD WIDE TYRANNY.

I am sure you are sick and tired of me pointing out the obvious. We are in a War with Satan.The Prophets have repeated that time and again. America's leaders are on Satan's side right now. And yet I see a never end diatribe of people and Mormons that support the troops of Satan's armies. One of the reasons I stopped going to the temple is because members of the Civil Religion of Nationalism that worship America Fascism and imperialism instead of following the prophets would pray for Fascism Supporting troops while those troops are supporting a Fascist Bush or Marxist Obama Commander-in-Cheif. I oppose men that support my slavery or the slavery of my children.

Don't you? Why am I a jerk for opposing ANYTHING that assists Fascism or Marxism?

Would you be mad at Captain Moroni for opposing the King-men or people that supported the king-men with food and clothing and medical supplies and airplanes to take them where they wanted to go to help the moral of men that HURT liberty?

Would you be angry at Nephi for opposing the Gadiantons and having a famine come and destroy the people. Nephi certainly was not kind to the troops of his Nephites countrymen. He had a famine come and kill them. Was Nephi a jerk?

I am not anti-American. The troops are. Their commander-in-cheif is Obama, a Marxist, and they have to follow his Marxist orders. Do you think Obama is a jerk? Or just me because I oppose him and those that assist him? The simple fact that men are in the military means they are supporting the Acts of Obama, who is a Marxists.

What is the difference between Stalin's Troops and Obama's Troops? What are they fighting for? The answer is Marxism. It does not matter if they are Stalin's troops fighting for Mother Russia or American Troops fighting for the Stars and Stripes. The reality is that they are lending aid and sympathy to Marxism. The Prophet tells us we CANNOT be faithful members and give aid and sympathy to Marxism so I follow that command.

And so I am a jerk because I refuse to GIVE SYMPATHY to Marxism.

Why would anyone want to make the lives of Marxists supporting troops easier? I do not want to help the enemy of liberty, Obama or the Bush twins or Eisenhower or LBJ or Reagan or Clinton or Ford. I would not have cheered for Chenney at BYU. I would have opposed him.I would have been a jerk and BOOED had I been allowed in. I would not have asked for Professor Jones to be fired by the troop loving Nationalist at BYU either.

Would you have supported the people that helped the Nazi troops? Would you have helped the troops of the King-men? They were Nephites and yet Captain Moroni was prepared to kill everyone of them. Was he anti-Rule of the Judges when he opposed Nephite troops that supported Fascism?

Was Helmuth Hübener a jerk too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_Hübener

Helmuth got Exed by his Nazi Branch President. Would you have bought Helmuth or the Branch President a ticket to leave Germany. Which one was the jerk?

I just got off the phone with Ken Wegner.http://www.wegnerforcongress.com/ He is a very good friend of mine. I was just at his booth at the Las Vegas Gun show on Saturday. I am about to break a huge story about how the Republican Party is sabotaging his campaign. I will have it on tape. He is a Gulf War Vet. His son is currently in Iraq. He wants to bring the troops home. The Republican Party does not want that. They love war because it is profitable. They don't care about the men that die and are maimed. They love the power and the political worshippers it gives them. "Vote Republican because they LOVE the troops more than the Democrats do!"

The Republican Party does not support their own Congressional Candidate even though he is a decorated vet and Purple Heart Recipient for being wounded in combat. I am friends with many people that still support the military and they know EXACTLY how I feel about how the troops are treated as pawns and animals of American foreign policy. These military men KNOW they are being used as pawns of the Bankers and yet they continue to promote the plans of the Gadiantons and king-men and Banks and Fascist and Marxists. That is why our Founding Father would have HATED our currently military establishment. It is EVERYTHING they opposed about a military. And yet you call me a jerk because I do not wish to encourage the abuse of the men in an evil military system that MUST be changed back to what we had before WWII.

We are COMMANDED to eschew Socialism and yet you are angry with me because I oppose helping men that are helping Marxists. Why is that? It is because I do not worship at the feet of the Civil Religion of Nationalism? Or is it because I refuse to pay the Marxist Tithing of the 2nd Plank of the Communist Manifesto? Or is it because I believe that Social Security is against the teachings of Jesus Christ just like President Grant said it was in General Conference?

When people support things that are EVIL I oppose them even if they are wrapped in the Flag with nice piece of apple pie to help you choke down the Fascism they are trying to get you to love and support and give sympathy to. I am not blind to the EVILS of America and I want America to follow the principles of Liberty and Christ and not tyranny and Obama. Why don't you?

I have spent my entire life following the commands of the prophets concerning Marxism. It has been every expensive. It has cost me my wealth and health. But I have also been greatly rewarded by the Lord. So thanks for the offer to leave this American Fascist society, but like the outnumbered Captain Moroni I will stay and fight men that support the Gadiantons and Lamanites and King-men.

That is because I know that the military will be nearly wiped out in the West and totally surrender in the East and THEN we liberty lovers can come in with a Christian militia and throw out the Chinese that will have invaded us along with other countries and then rebuild a FREE America and not a Fascist America with troops that murder in foreign countries in the name of liberty.

And by the way. You are correct. I am a jerk. I just happen to also know history and the teaching of the gospel of Christ and so I make people that sleep in the Nationalism Religion's Fantasy, a lot of heartache.

Wiik, I think that you are right on many things, I think you are wrong on others as well- However you are 100% correct in your statement below:

When General Sherman invaded the South he used a scorched earth policy so that no one in the South could help the Rebel troops. If the current American troops were not honored as heroes they would be less inclined to join the military and serve as the international domestic foreign policy pawn of the International Bankers. I refuse to give the troops that fight in undeclared foreign wars with a Marxist Commander-in-Cheif sympathy.

I think it would be wise for many Americans to get familiar with a story about a little girl named Sophie Scholl and the White Rose Society- most have never heard of her, it would do us all well to study her brief life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl

Wiikwajio wrote: Because I always follow my motto: A sin a day keeps translation away.

Well, you've met your goal for today Mr Wiiijacker.

Mosby wrote: I think it would be wise for many Americans to get familiar with a story about a little girl named Sophie Scholl and the White Rose Society- most have never heard of her, it would do us all well to study her brief life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl

Thanks for that info.

I am now spreading the word about Sophie.
http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... e-scholls/

Carlos wrote:

Wiikwajio wrote: Because I always follow my motto: A sin a day keeps translation away.

Well, you've met your goal for today Mr Wiiijacker.

That's Dr. Wiiijacker to you.

And a pompus wiijacker for good measure!

Wiik
It’s not even worth the debate with you anymore; you’re a lost and twisted soul.

You remind me of the American Tories that supported England. "How dare you, Wiik, oppose people that help the King's troops. You are a jerk to not support the king's troops and lend them aid and sympathy."

Our soldiers are not king-men so stop using the scriptures for your twisted, evil, designs. Remember satan knows the scriptures very well and uses them his evil purpose.
You remind me of the losers during the Vietnam War that would spit on and called the soldiers baby killers. Why you are allowed to continually spout your apostate rhetoric on this site is beyond me. But I am done with you I am leaving this site. Every time I read your “weird post” the spirit yells at me to RUN!!!!!!! And now I am going to listen I am done with you. So congrates on driving off another “normal” member with your insane logic, the fact that you have not been excommunicated to me is amazing. In the early days of the church you would have been run out long before now.
The fact that you started your own church Wiik, is insane……
You may want to read the below scripture.
Nephi chapter 14:3
And that great apit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that bhell which hath no end.
This would suggest that you are a child of Hell…
So I am done. I will never reply to anymore of your stupid, twisted, and evil logic.

I've been on other forums, religious and secular, that have banned people for much lesser offenses, so I'm amazed that people like Wik, who has been banned before, is still allowed to spew his tripe here. It's against the rules to offend fellow posters and other men here, but apparantly it's ok to offend our soldiers, the prophets, and God himself. A fair number of good posters seem to be leaving, and I wonder how many unregistered guests stop by and see things like this and think that this site is not for them.

More and more, I have to wade through the crap to find the real gems here. I can see why KalelIsbell and others have decided it's just not worth the effort.

Kaleisbell - I would suggest blocking Wiik from your view. . I blocked him about a month ago and actually enjoy this forum a lot more, we just have different opinions really different opinions, on enough topics that it was taking away from what I was learning here.

holyhabanero wrote:I've been on other forums, religious and secular, that have banned people for much lesser offenses, so I'm amazed that people like Wik, who has been banned before, is still allowed to spew his tripe here. It's against the rules to offend fellow posters and other men here, but apparantly it's ok to offend our soldiers, the prophets, and God himself. A fair number of good posters seem to be leaving, and I wonder how many unregistered guests stop by and see things like this and think that this site is not for them.

More and more, I have to wade through the crap to find the real gems here. I can see why KalelIsbell and others have decided it's just not worth the effort.

I agree with you, holyhabanero. I'm concerned about those persons who find this site who are NOT LDS and see some of the stuff here. Hurts my heart!

KalelIsbell wrote:Wiik
It’s not even worth the debate with you anymore; you’re a lost and twisted soul.

You remind me of the American Tories that supported England. "How dare you, Wiik, oppose people that help the King's troops. You are a jerk to not support the king's troops and lend them aid and sympathy."

Our soldiers are not king-men so stop using the scriptures for your twisted, evil, designs. Remember satan knows the scriptures very well and uses them his evil purpose.
You remind me of the losers during the Vietnam War that would spit on and called the soldiers baby killers. Why you are allowed to continually spout your apostate rhetoric on this site is beyond me. But I am done with you I am leaving this site. Every time I read your “weird post” the spirit yells at me to RUN!!!!!!! And now I am going to listen I am done with you. So congrates on driving off another “normal” member with your insane logic, the fact that you have not been excommunicated to me is amazing. In the early days of the church you would have been run out long before now.
The fact that you started your own church Wiik, is insane……
You may want to read the below scripture.
Nephi chapter 14:3
And that great apit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that bhell which hath no end.
This would suggest that you are a child of Hell…
So I am done. I will never reply to anymore of your stupid, twisted, and evil logic.

I have read that scripture many time. The prophets have said that the Church of Satan is the very Socialism and Fascism and Marxism being forced on the world by our troops under their Marxist Commander-in-Chief.

"Communism introduced into the world a substitute for true religion. It is a counterfeit of the gospel plan. The false prophets of Communism predict a utopian society. This, they proclaim, will only be brought about as capitalism and free enterprise are overthrown, private property abolished, the family as a social unit eliminated, all classes abolished, all governments overthrown, and a communal ownership of property in a classless, stateless society established." Ezra Taft Benson

So why do you lend sympathy to men that lend aid and sympathy to the the Marxist Obama and his military that is doing the will of a Marxist? What religion do you REALLY belong to by your actions?

"Latter-day Saints can not be true to their faith and lend aid, encouragement, or sympathy to any of these false philosophies." The First Presidency

Refusing to discuss the situation in America with me after resorting to name calling and claims I am an apostate often happens when people get frustrated because they have no law, no facts no scriptural references and no statements by the prophets that support their false and seduced position but only have a Nationalistic sense of of duty that what they believe is true. Your response is just more proof that history repeats.

"In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy."

History Repeats

Do you remember how Amalickiah got the Lamanites to go to war with Captain Moroni and the Liberty loving Nephites? He suckered them into believing he was a good man after killing their leader and then their king. Our military is no different today as history repeats. Amalickiah was the king through lies and deceit and murder but he was the king. Obama is an American Marxist but he is the Commander-in-Chief. Bush was an American Fascist but he was the Commander-in-Chief.

Our military is an all volunteer army that is invading other countries. Those that volunteer volunteer to be commanded by a Latter-day Amalickiah. The Nephites and the Lamanites they murder in these Latter-days will be no less dead because they have been seduced into believing their cause is just.

Amalickiah claimed his cause was just too.

Do you have any evidence that Obama cause is just? Well since you will not be answering that question. I will.

Obama is a Marxist and ANYONE that assists him including those in the military, are lending aid and sympathy to the cause of Communism and other false isms and cannot be true to the faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

natasha wrote:I agree with you, holyhabanero. I'm concerned about those persons who find this site who are NOT LDS and see some of the stuff here. Hurts my heart!

Yes. It is sad that so much false doctrine is stated here. But then that is what free speech is all about. An exchange of ideas freely. I have tried to do what I can by continually quoting the Prophets from General Conference and the scriptures but so many members have been seduced into the plans of Gadianton in these Latter-days that there is a lot of false doctrine preached by people with good but deceived hearts.

holyhabanero wrote:I've been on other forums, religious and secular, that have banned people for much lesser offenses, so I'm amazed that people like Wik, who has been banned before, is still allowed to spew his tripe here. It's against the rules to offend fellow posters and other men here, but apparantly it's ok to offend our soldiers, the prophets, and God himself. A fair number of good posters seem to be leaving, and I wonder how many unregistered guests stop by and see things like this and think that this site is not for them.

More and more, I have to wade through the crap to find the real gems here. I can see why KalelIsbell and others have decided it's just not worth the effort.

You have accused me of insulting the soldiers. Is it wrong to insult men that lend support to a Marxist Commander-in-Cheif? Or are you claiming Obama is not a Marxist?

When have I offended the prophets? Do I offend them by quoting them?

And if I have offended God then I believe He is powerful enough to humble me all on his own.

Where is your proof or even evidence of what you claim? You have falsely accused me.

Carlos wrote:And a pompus wiijacker for good measure!

That's Dr. Pompus to you.

KalelIsbell wrote:

Wiikwajio wrote:

Original_Intent wrote:That was really well done - I posted a link over on the Liberty Forest forum.

Thanks!

Too bad he did not spend the 1/2 a million on people that kept their oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies instead of serving under a Marxist Commander-in-Chief.

But then he is an oil man and those military guys are fighting for oil and other minerals. http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... ghanistan/

Fight the lie. We MUST stop supporting American Imperialism. It is is evil!

You cannot have an offensive war that is righteous.

Wiik

How dare you belittle these people that are helping others?
I am sick and tired of you and all your sick comments.
go get a real job and quit crying about the police.. move on allready!!
Enough with your anti American rhetoric too . If you hate this county
so bad leave… I will buy your ticket myself. As bad as the government may
be you’re a whole lot worse.
And I don’t care if they kick me off this stupid forum. You are a real jerk!!!!

Kalel, why don't you just go read the scriptures and seek the spirit.

Prov. 18: 19
19 A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle.

What amazes me is that offense is often taken over an opinion not fully understood. If it isn't fully understood, ask questions or simply drop it.

I don't understand all this holier-than-thou attitude on a political forum. How come?

Who really cares? I'm not sure there are a whole lot of 'investigators' trolling these waters anyway.

I had thought about asking how Che Guevera stands in anyone's opinion in regard to the Latin American fight for individual national sovereignty, but I just knew that would run the whole herd off the cliff.

buffalo_girl wrote:What amazes me is that offense is often taken over an opinion not fully understood. If it isn't fully understood, ask questions or simply drop it.

I don't understand all this holier-than-thou attitude on a political forum. How come?

Who really cares? I'm not sure there are a whole lot of 'investigators' trolling these waters anyway.

I had thought about asking how Che Guevera stands in anyone's opinion in regard to the Latin American fight for individual national sovereignty, but I just knew that would run the whole herd off the cliff.

Really??? Wik screams at all of us, calling us slaves, and saying we are ignoring the prophets, and besmirching our soldiers, and when people call him on it, you come on and say we're acting "holier than thou???" Give me a break. This forum is rapidly turning into a joke.

KalelIsbell wrote:
Wiik

How dare you belittle these people that are helping others?
I am sick and tired of you and all your sick comments.
go get a real job and quit crying about the police.. move on allready!!
Enough with your anti American rhetoric too . If you hate this county
so bad leave… I will buy your ticket myself. As bad as the government may
be you’re a whole lot worse.
And I don’t care if they kick me off this stupid forum. You are a real jerk!!!!

Let me tell you a story:

A man walked into a large building and found a cultural hall containing varied and diverse peoples. He mingled with the friendly crowd for a while and generally liked the lot. Every once in a while he'd notice a figure off in the distance who obviously wasn't the crowd's favorite. They said he was crazy and "just didn't get it". Members of the crowd had studied some inside knowledge for years, and had such a superior understanding than this other fellow. "If he only knew" they'd say to each other in between I wish he'd just wake up's. The large crowd had it all figured out, top to bottom and inside out. Superior knowledge that must be worth looking into and giving some good attention. So the man began his search for the truth this group had to offer.

Little by little he learned secret bits and pieces. Most were vague references in history with little validity. However, the story sounded great and he kept at it. He studied and studied and studied as the large crowd tipped him to this little nugget and that. After a while he thought he had a good grasp of the superior, secret knowledge, and started asking questions. He would often faintly hear the figure in the distance offering answers, but the insightful crowd wrote him off as asleep at the wheel. They were excellent at quoting this source and that, and had an answer to everything right off the tops of their heads.

All was well and good, and the man was having a jolly old time with the crowd. Ideas could be discussed and steam blown off. Through time, however, he got the feeling he was being looked down upon by the crowd. They had EVERYTHING figured out and he just wasn't good enough for them. He started wondering why he'd never heard of the geniuses before. He started digging a little and noticed a few things he had been told weren't actually facts. So he checked some more an started noticing many of the quotes he had heard had been taken out of context. He questioned the crowd for more clarity and to what they met, but he was scorned for questioning their superiority. "You need to wake up!" they'd tell him. "You're thinking is the problem with this world". He was even told that God would send him to hell for being such a traitor. Wondering why he was being treated this way, he searched out the figure in the distance. He found him wearing a white coat, pushing a tray full of antipsychotic drugs. The man asked him why he was in there with the crowd. He didn't belong. He answered "I don't know, why are you". The man in the white coat answered "someone has to administer these drugs".