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I guess if you feel that Beck is to liberty as pornopraphy is to anatomy then by all means you should avoid him and anybody who watches Beck like the plauge. I just don't see it that way

Not saying that you or Mark are in this boat (I know that Mark isn't)- but for those who think that Beck is the "end all be all" for Liberty it is just as dangerous as looking at a Playboy in regards to understanding the true meaning of Liberty and Freedom IMO. - Because Glenn Beck won't lead you to "Freedom" and "Liberty" or "save" you, most think that he will.
He's not a Prophet or even a scholar - people need to understand this, and stop treating him like one.

Why? Because Beck is a conterfeit - just like Playboy, He's just doing and saying what he does for money. You never answered my question- do you really think that Beck would continue his work - for free, or out of his own pocket like TRUE heroes of Liberty like Stephen Pratt or Cleon Skousen did- and was Beck "caimpaigning for Liberty" before he was famous?

He's just doing it because it pays well, and the people respond to it.

Beck's just teaching fear and "party" right/left divison because America responds to it.

Mark wrote:

Mosby wrote:Thanks for that link and movie dconrad, that would explain something that makes no sense- like Beck trashing Ron Paul during the election, then cozying up to his son.

I think that anyone with a brain would not waste 10 minutes of there time with the MSM, when I travel I turn it on (I don't have t.v at home) and I'm always amazed at the amount of brainwashing that goes on.

Unfournately many LDS folks are only "awake" - or more correctly think that they are awake, because they watch/listen to Beck for 3+ hours a day Imagine how "awake" those saints would be if they read the Book of Mormon for the same amount of time that they devote to Beck everyday

Personally I'm growing tired of LDS folks coming up to me and saying things like "Hey - did you watch Beck last night, he said........"
And I'm thinking in my mind , yeah; Ezra Taft Benson was talking about that back in the 60's and 70"s

I guess Prophets just aren't as sexy of a FoxNews talking head

You're just not getting it my friend. Do you think that everyone who listens to Beck dissect the combinations of today on his show are LDS? Come on my friend think a little out of the box here. Millions of people who are hearing Becks information about Crime Inc and the onslaught currently taking place against the free market and the constitution are not LDS and have never read the Book of Mormon. We have hundreds of millions of people in this country. How many of them are LDS?

Without awakening the masses to what agenda's are at play currently in the white house and in congress and in the Unions etc etc as Beck is doing nothing will change and we in this country who love our God given rights will soon only have a fond memory of them and will get steamrolled by the progressives/socialists/marxists agenda.

The tea parties and the 9-12 project and any other positive program to educate people are not all comprised of only LDS people. This needs to be a group effort with ALL concerned citizens of all faiths who value freedom and the constitution. You should be cheering for Beck to reach as many people as possible so more and more can know what is going on with these revolutionaries and do something to stop them. Instead all I hear is complaints about Beck and how he isn't doing this or that enough for everyones liking here. Go to Becks link every day at watchglennbeck.com and listen to what he is saying day in and day out before trying to find ways to trash the man. Geez louise.

I heartily agree, Mark. I hope in the future you will cut Alex Jones the same amount of slack and view what he is doing thru the same lens.

Mosby, I think you are being a bit harsh on Bro. Beck. I will always take what he or even Alex Jones, who I consider superior, ANY of these guys with a large grain of salt. Beck has done a great job on promoting 5,000 year leap, which although in my opinion not perfect is 99% and really helpful if people can just read and understand the principles there. He is also I think promoting F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", I believe - which is amazing! I have not read all of it, but I think that would be a huge tool. Today he was promoting the Federalist Papers and the Constitution. Again, wow and wow! I am with you on "The Law" in my opinion there is no political book that is written with such clarity, pure unadulterated principle, and you can read the entire thing in what? maybe an hour or two? Think if we could get Glenn excited about that and promoting it, and it is available for FREE READING as well as FREE AUDIOBOOK on the internet! Think with his audience what an awakening there could be among member and non-member alike if he were to link those on his website and encourage people to either read or listen!

I have a little more hope for Bro. Beck than you seem to - I am cautious because of being burned by him multiple times. I frankly will just keel over from a heart attack if he endorses someone who is not a party establishment favorite. But you know what? I fhe is getting people reading 5,000 Year Leap, the Constitution and The Federalist Papers, ANY book on Austrian economics, and hopefully some day we can get him excited about The Law...the guy may not be perfect, but I'll take any help that I can get opening minds and waking people up. Even if he won't go "all in". I think I understand more than Beck, but I haven't done a millionth as much good as he has done (also haven't done a millionth as much harm, but let's keep positive!)

I still don't get how playboy applys to this but to to anwer your question.

Do I think Beck would continue like he does if he was not paid?

Well, no he wouldn't have the money to do so nor the platform nor time. You do realize Beck employs those who do a great majority of his research. If he was not paid doing what he does he would have to find employment elsewhere and thus devote more time to other things like the majority of us out there. He may be riding the wave on this one and is not always correct and by all means he is not anybody's saviour but when did he claim to be such? I don't know anybody who hangs on every word of Beck but I guess that may because I am in Arizona and I will admit there are less sheeple here than in Utah, but bubbles will do that to you.

Who do you think Glen Beck is counterfeiting?

Mosby wrote:

I guess if you feel that Beck is to liberty as pornopraphy is to anatomy then by all means you should avoid him and anybody who watches Beck like the plauge. I just don't see it that way

Not saying that you or Mark are in this boat (I know that Mark isn't)- but for those who think that Beck is the "end all be all" for Liberty it is just as dangerous as looking at a Playboy in regards to understanding the true meaning of Liberty and Freedom IMO. - Because Glenn Beck won't lead you to "Freedom" and "Liberty" or "save" you, most think that he will.
He's not a Prophet or even a scholar - people need to understand this, and stop treating him like one.

Why? Because Beck is a conterfeit - just like Playboy, He's just doing and saying what he does for money. You never answered my question- do you really think that Beck would continue his work - for free, or out of his own pocket like TRUE heroes of Liberty like Stephen Pratt or Cleon Skousen did- and was Beck "caimpaigning for Liberty" before he was famous?

He's just doing it because it pays well, and the people respond to it.

Beck's just teaching fear and "party" right/left divison because America responds to it.

I don't know anybody who hangs on every word of Beck but I guess that may because I am in Arizona and I will admit there are less sheeple here than in Utah, but bubbles will do that to you.

I'm not one to defend Utah (not a native) but, yeah you are right- there's hardly ANY LDS folks in Arizona, especially around that Mesa area

...have posted this elsewhere...will post it here also...

...whether GB is sincere in what he is doing; or not...it still boils down to one thing:

dconrad000 wrote:Here is how I see it:

Controlled Opposition

From the standpoint of Rupert Murdock and his ilk -- who write GB's checks...it is called controlled opposition. They need a place for conservatives to tune in, where they can have some control. It does not hurt the secret combination that much to have GB talk about the constitution; government corruption; warning against socialism and communism; warning people that hard times are ahead and they should get prepared, etc., etc. Good conservatives already understand those things, anyway...and those are areas that conservatives can and do resonate with GB on.

Where they really get their $40 million dollars per year's worth with GB, however -- is to have him demonizing the 9/11 truth movement; and at critical junctures, when it makes a difference in elections -- to have true constitutionalists like Ron Paul and Debra Medina derailed. (He then of course, after the damage is done & it's too late -- always seems to come out and says I'm sorry, I was wrong.)

They have also certainly gotten their money's worth, as well with GB's promotion of George Bush & his policies (the entire time he was in office); beating the drums for the phony war on terror; pushing through the Patriot Acts I & II; pushing through the Bankster Bailout; promoting new taxes to pay for the Bankster Bail out...and of course only when the jig is up on all those things and it's too late, does GB then seem to always come out against those things...so that his conservative audience can forgive him and say he's growing, he's changing.

Whether GB is aware of it or not...whether he is sincere in the things that he does or not...he is being played like a fiddle...and I can assure you, that those cunning men who are paying out the $40 million per year feel as though they are certainly getting their money's worth.

dconrad000 wrote:...have posted this elsewhere...will post it here also...

...whether GB is sincere in what he is doing; or not...it still boils down to one thing:

dconrad000 wrote:Here is how I see it:

Controlled Opposition

From the standpoint of Rupert Murdock and his ilk -- who write GB's checks...it is called controlled opposition. They need a place for conservatives to tune in, where they can have some control. It does not hurt the secret combination that much to have GB talk about the constitution; government corruption; warning against socialism and communism; warning people that hard times are ahead and they should get prepared, etc., etc. Good conservatives already understand those things, anyway...and those are areas that conservatives can and do resonate with GB on.

Where they really get their $40 million dollars per year's worth with GB, however -- is to have him demonizing the 9/11 truth movement; and at critical junctures, when it makes a difference in elections -- to have true constitutionalists like Ron Paul and Debra Medina derailed. (He then of course, after the damage is done & it's too late -- always seems to come out and says I'm sorry, I was wrong.)

They have also certainly gotten their money's worth, as well with GB's promotion of George Bush & his policies (the entire time he was in office); beating the drums for the phony war on terror; pushing through the Patriot Acts I & II; pushing through the Bankster Bailout; promoting new taxes to pay for the Bankster Bail out...and of course only when the jig is up on all those things and it's too late, does GB then seem to always come out against those things...so that his conservative audience can forgive him and say he's growing, he's changing.

Whether GB is aware of it or not...whether he is sincere in the things that he does or not...he is being played like a fiddle...and I can assure you, that those cunning men who are paying out the $40 million per year feel as though they are certainly getting their money's worth.

Excellent. I love that all GB can do is to get people to hang out in a park and hold up signs. Let's not actually put ourselves on the line or anything. Yeah, that'll teach the PTB to watch their step! "Aw, but Rob, it's a start." A start is waking people up to their awful situation, and if you haven't clued into the fact that 9/11 was an inside job, YOU ARE ASLEEEEEP!

And until Brother Beck apologizes to those who refuse to accept the Official Fairy Tale, he's in the same camp as the other talking heads.

Mosby wrote:

I don't know anybody who hangs on every word of Beck but I guess that may because I am in Arizona and I will admit there are less sheeple here than in Utah, but bubbles will do that to you.

I'm not one to defend Utah (not a native) but, yeah you are right- there's hardly ANY LDS folks in Arizona, especially around that Mesa area

Mesa has a lot of members compared to the rest of AZ but not compared to Utah.

Mosby wrote:

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Rand and Ron Paul are not "clones"..... They are significantly different in several issues, I think Glenn even mentions that fact in that video.

Yes, they agree on most things, just like I would agree with Ron Paul on most things, but certainly not everything, and yes, Ron Paul is a bit "nutty" on some of his views. Rand in my view is much more sensible. Of course, not that I agree with everything he believes, but the majority of it I do.

Anyway, I'm all for the good stuff..... Just need to get rid of the "cooks" who hence turn everyone off from taking them seriously.

Samuel the lamanite was viewed as a kook by his comtemporaries (he hath a devil;). I guess viewing someone as a kook depends on your outlook on things doesnt it?