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Tim Adams was the Chief Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu, Hawaii, during the 2008 presidential election. As Chief Elections Clerk, he supervised a staff of 50 and had access to all the database to verify documents like birth certificates and birth places of campaign candidates.

On June 5, 2010, Adams was interviewed by James Edwards of the Political Cesspool radio show. Adams says unequivocally:

“Barack Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.”

Adams is currently teaching in the graduate program of Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, Kentucky, (270) 745-0111. He’s listed as Timothy Adams in WKU’s faculty-staff directory. Adams is also listed as a Graduate Assistant of the English Department.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=164409

A retired U.S. military leader who now is a presence on the Internet with his Stand Up For America and Veterans Defenders websites has issued a call for President Obama's resignation and a new election to replace him.

The call comes from Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely, who served in Vietnam and retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as deputy commanding general for the Pacific.

"We now must call for the immediate resignation of Barry Soetero (AKA President Barack Hussein Obama) … based on incompetence, deceit, fraud, corruption, dishonesty and violation of the U.S. oath of office and the Constitution," he said in remarks delivered to a Lincoln Reagan dinner in Virginia City, Mont., last week and published today on the Stand Up America website.

People are finally starting to wake up and get it. Thing is, Bush was guilty of the same offenses... it just took Obama taking it to the extreme for people to finally realize what's going on.

VERY interesting, but not surprising.

If this gets too much traction Barry will be taken out by his own. Then potty mouth Biden will be ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMjzxHzZnnI

shadow wrote:If this gets too much traction Barry will be taken out by his own. Then potty mouth Biden will be ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMjzxHzZnnI

Yes, and every bill signed into law by Barry becomes null and void. Of course, I guess Biden could just sign them all himself, it is not like they would have to go back to the House or anything. Maybe, the argument could be made that they were an invalid ticket and a special election be held, all legislation freezes until the new president takes office.

OK, sorry, I took a little trip to fantasy land there. The weather there was real nice.

I've had severe doubts ever since I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgkDSw-wQ0

Original_Intent wrote:

shadow wrote:If this gets too much traction Barry will be taken out by his own. Then potty mouth Biden will be ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMjzxHzZnnI

Yes, and every bill signed into law by Barry becomes null and void. Of course, I guess Biden could just sign them all himself, it is not like they would have to go back to the House or anything. Maybe, the argument could be made that they were an invalid ticket and a special election be held, all legislation freezes until the new president takes office.

OK, sorry, I took a little trip to fantasy land there. The weather there was real nice.

That's why he'll be taken out before it gets too much traction IMO

shadow wrote:If this gets too much traction Barry will be taken out by his own. Then potty mouth Biden will be ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMjzxHzZnnI

This is not the case. Since Barry is not eligible to be the President and is proven so in a court of Law, it will be as if he didn't hold the office and Biden who was his running mate would also be null and void as to his position as VP. What would need to happen is the Supreme Court would have to order a new election to choose a new presidency and the Electoral College would then vote on a new set of candidates based upon the popular general vote. This is a situation the founders did not anticipate so there is no precedence for it. It could also lead to a Constitutional Convention which could be disastrous for the current Constitution because once convened they could totally abolish the Constitution as it is and institute something like the UN Charter.

2BFree wrote:

shadow wrote:If this gets too much traction Barry will be taken out by his own. Then potty mouth Biden will be ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMjzxHzZnnI

This is not the case. Since Barry is not eligible to be the President and is proven so in a court of Law, it will be as if he didn't hold the office and Biden who was his running mate would also be null and void as to his position as VP. What would need to happen is the Supreme Court would have to order a new election to choose a new presidency and the Electoral College would then vote on a new set of candidates based upon the popular general vote. This is a situation the founders did not anticipate so there is no precedence for it. It could also lead to a Constitutional Convention which could be disastrous for the current Constitution because once convened they could totally abolish the Constitution as it is and institute something like the UN Charter.

A valid concern, but just like the original Constitution IF they chose to do such a thing the states would still have to ratify it. The idea that 500 men could go into a building and come out with a new government that we would somehow be obligated to uphold would be ludicrous. But the danger is that not enough people understand founding principles that probably a very terrible form of government could pass and be upheld by the voice of the people.

Maybe this is what Joseph Smith meant by the constitution hanging by a thread.

Just some quick info..... While I believe there are a "lot" of significant questions related to Obama's Birth Certificate as well as where he actually was born, I will have to contend against one small point.

I have two sons who were born in Hawaii. The video above shows as one of the problems with Obama's birth certificate as being the "border" and the "revision date". Well, both of my sons have the SAME "revision date" on their birth certificates. And guess what else? The BOTH have DIFFERENT "borders". In fact, one has the same exact border as Obama's, and the other has the same exact border as their example. Our revision date was 97, while the video showed the two as being 01.

One other issue with the video is that the Certified copy is a "modern" production, so it's not going to list the same info as the original, such as the issue between "Negro" and "African". Although, that part might still be a problem because I would think it should say "black". Cause after all the white people say "caucasian". Although, it's possible that's simply a politically correct ruling that they used "African" instead of black.

Oh, two other problems that another video listed. My kids cert's don't list their religion, that guy thought it should. Also, the top Seal, my kids seal also looks "non crisp" as well. Thus, I'm thinking that some of the issues with the cert is actually "intentional" by the state.

I think the biggest problem with Obama's copy is that there are not the "stamps" that it should have. Of course, it is always possible that someone just messed up, cause it does at least have that small date stamp, just not the other two stamps.

The other biggest problem is the issues with the actual "original" Birth Cert.
Thus, unfortunately I think I'm going to have to disagree that Obama's Cert copy is actually a fake. Because my own sons birth cert's prove it. The missing stamps "could" be a problem, but those are potentially within human error.

Of course, if someone was "forging" the cert. it might be harder for them to get the actual stamps, but easier to get everything else if that someone was paid off. So, maybe I won't necessarily disagree then after all, when I think about it. It think the missing stamps say "fake" all over it..... Cause, some lower peon could have been paid to get the paper, and then the info faked. And that tiny date stamp exists everywhere, thus that would be easy to fake. What's not easy to fake are those two big stamps, and those are missing.

In conclusion, what some of the arguments are bad, Obama's Certified Copy is STILL likely FAKE.....

And by the way..... Let the above stand as PROOF and EVIDENCE that I'm "very" experienced at judging two sides and seeing what the "actual" TRUTH IS.

So, those on this forum who say I don't know what I'm talking about when it concerns Alex Jones or your other god Dr. Steven Jones, I say YOU are the ones deceived.

InfoWarrior82 wrote:Maybe this is what Joseph Smith meant by the constitution hanging by a thread.

“Our great Constitution has been beaten and torn until now it hangs by a single thread, and that thread is our franchise to vote.” -Ezra Taft Benson, Freeman Institute, Provo, Utah, 1976.

2BFree wrote:

shadow wrote:If this gets too much traction Barry will be taken out by his own. Then potty mouth Biden will be ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMjzxHzZnnI

This is not the case. Since Barry is not eligible to be the President and is proven so in a court of Law, it will be as if he didn't hold the office and Biden who was his running mate would also be null and void as to his position as VP. What would need to happen is the Supreme Court would have to order a new election to choose a new presidency and the Electoral College would then vote on a new set of candidates based upon the popular general vote. This is a situation the founders did not anticipate so there is no precedence for it. It could also lead to a Constitutional Convention which could be disastrous for the current Constitution because once convened they could totally abolish the Constitution as it is and institute something like the UN Charter.

I understand what you're saying but let me clarify, I think he'll be taken out (as in assassinated) before his citizenship (or lack thereof) gets too much traction. Once he's gone the topic will drop and Biden will take over. Yes, technically all that had been done including Barry's administration should be reversed but it won't be. My opinion of course.

leeuniverse wrote:Just some quick info..... While I believe there are a "lot" of significant questions related to Obama's Birth Certificate as well as where he actually was born, I will have to contend against one small point.

I have two sons who were born in Hawaii. The video above shows as one of the problems with Obama's birth certificate as being the "border" and the "revision date". Well, both of my sons have the SAME "revision date" on their birth certificates. And guess what else? The BOTH have DIFFERENT "borders". In fact, one has the same exact border as Obama's, and the other has the same exact border as their example. Our revision date was 97, while the video showed the two as being 01.

One other issue with the video is that the Certified copy is a "modern" production, so it's not going to list the same info as the original, such as the issue between "Negro" and "African". Although, that part might still be a problem because I would think it should say "black". Cause after all the white people say "caucasian". Although, it's possible that's simply a politically correct ruling that they used "African" instead of black.

Oh, two other problems that another video listed. My kids cert's don't list their religion, that guy thought it should. Also, the top Seal, my kids seal also looks "non crisp" as well. Thus, I'm thinking that some of the issues with the cert is actually "intentional" by the state.

I think the biggest problem with Obama's copy is that there are not the "stamps" that it should have. Of course, it is always possible that someone just messed up, cause it does at least have that small date stamp, just not the other two stamps.

The other biggest problem is the issues with the actual "original" Birth Cert.
Thus, unfortunately I think I'm going to have to disagree that Obama's Cert copy is actually a fake. Because my own sons birth cert's prove it. The missing stamps "could" be a problem, but those are potentially within human error.

Of course, if someone was "forging" the cert. it might be harder for them to get the actual stamps, but easier to get everything else if that someone was paid off. So, maybe I won't necessarily disagree then after all, when I think about it. It think the missing stamps say "fake" all over it..... Cause, some lower peon could have been paid to get the paper, and then the info faked. And that tiny date stamp exists everywhere, thus that would be easy to fake. What's not easy to fake are those two big stamps, and those are missing.

In conclusion, what some of the arguments are bad, Obama's Certified Copy is STILL likely FAKE.....

The Certification of Live Birth or COLB is not a long form birth certificate. It is a certificate that only establishes that a live birth has occurred and does not have the place of birth or the attending physician name or signature. It actually states at the top that it is provided to those "persons" who were born elsewhere. There is evidence that even the COLB has been modified digitally which was released on the internet. What's interesting to me is there must be a highly COMPELLING reason why Barry hasn't released his original birth certificate other than it may show that he was born in a foreign country. Of course, this leads many of us who take such actions as a sign of subterfuge and conspiracy to provide some type of explanation for these actions. One interesting idea is that BHO CAN'T show his birth certificate because he doesn't have one...meaning that he wasn't "born" like the rest of us but was created some other way. Some people have suggested that he is actually a clone and not just any clone but a clone of an Egyptian Pharaoh, Akhenaten.

http://standupamericaus.com/lincoln-reagan-dinner:33318

Will the real Barry Soetero please stand up and be recognized?

leeuniverse wrote:And by the way..... Let the above stand as PROOF and EVIDENCE that I'm "very" experienced at judging two sides and seeing what the "actual" TRUTH IS.

So, those on this forum who say I don't know what I'm talking about when it concerns Alex Jones or your other god Dr. Steven Jones, I say YOU are the ones deceived.

OK LeeU, pick some of the research Dr. Jones has done, and dissect it. Let's see what you can do.

So far, all you've done regarding Dr. Jones' work is to tell us what great judgement you have, backed up by name calling, unfounded accusations and assertions and other rhetorical faux pas. Go for it. Waiting with interest.

leeuniverse wrote: I have two sons who were born in Hawaii. The video above shows as one of the problems with Obama's birth certificate as being the "border" and the "revision date". Well, both of my sons have the SAME "revision date" on their birth certificates. And guess what else? The BOTH have DIFFERENT "borders". In fact, one has the same exact border as Obama's, and the other has the same exact border as their example. Our revision date was 97, while the video showed the two as being 01.

2BFree notes that:

2BFree wrote: The Certification of Live Birth or COLB is not a long form birth certificate. It is a certificate that only establishes that a live birth has occurred and does not have the place of birth or the attending physician name or signature. It actually states at the top that it is provided to those "persons" who were born elsewhere

I'm curious; are your son's Hawaiian birth certificates COLB's, or the long form, which shows date AND time and location of birth, as well as who the attending physician was along with his/her signature? If COLB's, I wonder if you could apply for the long form, if you don't already have it?

larsenb wrote:

leeuniverse wrote: I have two sons who were born in Hawaii. The video above shows as one of the problems with Obama's birth certificate as being the "border" and the "revision date". Well, both of my sons have the SAME "revision date" on their birth certificates. And guess what else? The BOTH have DIFFERENT "borders". In fact, one has the same exact border as Obama's, and the other has the same exact border as their example. Our revision date was 97, while the video showed the two as being 01.

2BFree notes that:

2BFree wrote: The Certification of Live Birth or COLB is not a long form birth certificate. It is a certificate that only establishes that a live birth has occurred and does not have the place of birth or the attending physician name or signature. It actually states at the top that it is provided to those "persons" who were born elsewhere

I'm curious; are your son's Hawaiian birth certificates COLB's, or the long form, which shows date AND time and location of birth, as well as who the attending physician was along with his/her signature? If COLB's, I wonder if you could apply for the long form, if you don't already have it?

We were never given a "long form". In fact, both my sons in Hawaii and my other son born in Nevada, we were not allowed to be given any sort of certificate of birth from the Hospital, and I specifically asked, and they weren't allowed to. They said we had to send a request to the state to get the certification of birth from the state, and they gave us the forms to make the request, we even had to PAY for how many copies we wanted.

In other words, it seems the "long form" the hospital gives it directly to the state. However, I don't think this was always the policy. I can't remember all the birth cert arguments, but I think one of them is that at the time Obama would have been born in hawaii they would have gotten a copy from the hospital. But, I don't know off hand on this. I just know that for the two states my kids have been born in, we only got a certified copy from the state, no long form.

Indeed, I already mentioned in my previous post that there is much more to the issue than just the obvious errors some birthers have made in the argument, such being the original birth cert from the hospital.

This is actually a good example that we need to be "very" careful in what we put our trust in. If birther arguments were simply about these videos one linked above and another I watched, then, we would almost have no case at all. Because our ONLY evidence would be the missing stamps. Most of the other claims are invalid from those two videos.

As to the other guy who asked me to "critique" the claims of Alex Jones and Dr. Steven Jones. Well, I don't have the time to write a "thesis". But, I've reviewed the information, and as I've said before, the ONLY "real" coverup with 9/11 was with the Pentagon plane, that it was clearly almost entirely disintegrated by some sort of advanced weapon system, prior to what was left of the plane hitting the Pentagon. All the "other" arguments of 9/11 is ignoring and misusing facts, info, and creating an entire house built on straw, etc. Ya, it's still a house, has lot's of valid arguments, but the houses entire foundation is flawed from the beginning, based on flawed assumptions.

leeuniverse wrote:And by the way..... Let the above stand as PROOF and EVIDENCE that I'm "very" experienced at judging two sides and seeing what the "actual" TRUTH IS.

So, those on this forum who say I don't know what I'm talking about when it concerns Alex Jones or your other god Dr. Steven Jones, I say YOU are the ones deceived.

Wow! Wow! Wow!
Stereotyping and stone casting sure won't make you many friends on the forum.
Just some friendly advice.

leeuniverse wrote:And by the way..... Let the above stand as PROOF and EVIDENCE that I'm "very" experienced at judging two sides and seeing what the "actual" TRUTH IS.

So, those on this forum who say I don't know what I'm talking about when it concerns Alex Jones or your other god Dr. Steven Jones, I say YOU are the ones deceived.

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Mocking like the above is reprehensible and offensive -- but I will say this, leeuniverse, IF I'm a "god" as you say, then you're in big trouble, buddy...

leeuniverse wrote:... the houses entire foundation is flawed from the beginning, based on flawed assumptions.

Have you attempted to debunk the nano-thermate? (was pretty much the original question posed to you). Plus I think it's kind of funny that you entertain the notion of a cover up with the pentagon plane, but still think nothing fishy is going on.

InfoWarrior82 wrote:

leeuniverse wrote:... the houses entire foundation is flawed from the beginning, based on flawed assumptions.

Have you attempted to debunk the nano-thermate? (was pretty much the original question posed to you). Plus I think it's kind of funny that you entertain the notion of a cover up with the pentagon plane, but still think nothing fishy is going on.

Godd points, infowarrior82.