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InfoWarrior82 wrote:

leeuniverse wrote:... the houses entire foundation is flawed from the beginning, based on flawed assumptions.

Have you attempted to debunk the nano-thermate? (was pretty much the original question posed to you). Plus I think it's kind of funny that you entertain the notion of a cover up with the pentagon plane, but still think nothing fishy is going on.

1. Bad science, same as Jones's other "theory" of "Cold Fusion" was bad science.

2. Why would it be "funny"? It's perfectly logical. The Pentagon is the nations epicenter of it's security, thus "of course" it would have protective measures, the best available, same for the White House etc. I'm sure.

This is actually "plausible" and based on the evidence, there actually is 3/4 of the plane missing. In contrast to the towers collapse, which ignores certain things and only focusing on a few, convenient by the way to ultimately "match" the long held "theory" of there being explosives, for which there is no evidence for. Further, one of the builders/planners of the WTC indicated that they were "designed" to fall with minimal impact on their surroundings. Not only that, but simply watching the videos it's easy to see that the support structure was weakened at the point of impact, and then with the fire further weakening the leftover supports, the buildings hence collapsed exactly where they should have. Anyone with simple common sense watching the videos can see that they behaved exactly as they should have given the circumstances.

Despite all the common sense, even if there "was" some explosive residues in some form, such would not be unheard of, given the fact that there were all kinds of agency's using the buildings, including Federal Law Enforcement agency's.

Further WTC 7 also fell exactly as it should have.
7 WTC was damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the WTC collapsed. The debris also ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon on lower floors of the building. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed completely at 5:21:10 p.m.[1] The collapse began when a critical column on the 13th floor buckled and triggered structural failure throughout, causing at first the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse at 5:20:33 p.m.

ALL of the towers collapsed because of failure at critical points in the structures, and the weight above those failure points simply caused them to collapse.

This is so not brain surgery folks..... I see nothing but vast conspiracy's theory's build upon strawmen. A little truth used to tell great lies.

The above back and forth reminds me of a story I heard a while back about dis-imformation agents infiltrating forums to debunk "conspiracy theories"..... not going to name any names....

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leeuniverse wrote:

InfoWarrior82 wrote:

leeuniverse wrote:... the houses entire foundation is flawed from the beginning, based on flawed assumptions.

Have you attempted to debunk the nano-thermate? (was pretty much the original question posed to you). Plus I think it's kind of funny that you entertain the notion of a cover up with the pentagon plane, but still think nothing fishy is going on.

1. Bad science, same as Jones's other "theory" of "Cold Fusion" was bad science.

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This is so not brain surgery folks..... I see nothing but vast conspiracy's theory's build upon strawmen..

Leeuniverse provides here an ill-informed and fallacious argument, since "cold fusion" has in fact been verified as published in peer-reviewed journals, and is now 100% reproducible -- which makes it "good science".

From my research web page:

· S.E. Jones and J.E. Ellsworth, "Cold (metal-enhanced) fusion, geo-fusion, and cold nucleosynthesis", Condensed Matter Nuclear Science, 2005, London: World Scientific, p. 617. · S.E. Jones, E.P. Palmer, J.B. Czirr, D.L. Decker, G.L. Jensen, J.M. Thorne, and S.F. Taylor & J. Rafelski, "Observation of Cold Nuclear Fusion in Condensed Matter," Nature 338: 737-740 (April 1989).
Results confirmed:2001: "Enhancement of the electron screening effect for d+ d fusion reactions in metallic environments", Europhysics Letters, 54:449 “...the observed enhancement of the electron screening in metal targets can, in tendency, explain the small neutron production rates observed in the cold-fusion experiment of Jones [reference 1989 Nature paper].”

Also, K. Czerski, et al., Eur. Phys. J. A27:S01,83 (2006) “ As shown in [Europhys. Lett. 68:363 (2004)], the screening energy of order 300 eV determined in accelerator experiments can explain the neutron production rate observed by Jones et al. [Nature 338:737, 1989] at room temperature.”

• Research discussed at the American Physical Society Four Corners meeting, 6-7 Oct 2006 • D3.00006 Construction of a Low-energy Single-wire Z-pinch Apparatus for Metal-catalyzed Fusion Studies http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/4CF06/Event/55778 • B4.00001 Laboratory Nuclear Astrophysics or The universe as seen from underground. • B4.00002 Low energy accelerator for studying laboratory nuclear astrophysics.

And as regards 9/11 research, please consult the following peer-reviewed papers:

S.E. Jones, et al. "Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction", Open Civil Engineering Journal, April 2008.
K. Ryan, J. Gourley and S.E. Jones, "Environmental Anomalies at the World Trade Center: Evidence for Energetic Materials", Environmentalist, August 2008.
Niels Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven Jones, et al. "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", THE OPEN CHEMICAL PHYSICS JOURNAL, April 2009.

Of further interest to some:

Notable peer-reviewed publications (from over fifty):

· J. Rafelski and S.E. Jones, "Cold Nuclear Fusion," Scientific American, 257: 84-89 (July 1987).

· S.E. Jones, "Muon-Catalysed Fusion Revisited," (Invited article) Nature 321: 127-133 (1986).

SmallFarm wrote:The above back and forth reminds me of a story I heard a while back about dis-imformation agents infiltrating forums to debunk "conspiracy theories"..... not going to name any names....

I dunno. At least OldmanDalton gave us a blizzard of links and page after page of stuff he collected from these links he thought debunked various propositions of 9/11 Truth. I'm not seeing much from LU. But maybe he's just getting warmed up

leeuniverse wrote: As to the other guy who asked me to "critique" the claims of Alex Jones and Dr. Steven Jones. Well, I don't have the time to write a "thesis". But, I've reviewed the information, and as I've said before, the ONLY "real" coverup with 9/11 was with the Pentagon plane, that it was clearly almost entirely disintegrated by some sort of advanced weapon system, prior to what was left of the plane hitting the Pentagon. All the "other" arguments of 9/11 is ignoring and misusing facts, info, and creating an entire house built on straw, etc. Ya, it's still a house, has lot's of valid arguments, but the houses entire foundation is flawed from the beginning, based on flawed assumptions.

Leeuniverse, Dr. Jones has supplied you with key, critical information you apparently haven't reviewed yet. So I will be waiting for you do a review of these documents and to read your evaluation. Doesn't have to be a thesis; just what you think about them and why. Good opportunity to show your analytic skills you talked about earlier.

Ok that was kinda funny