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True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 4:18 pm
by freedomforall
D&C 58:21,22
21 Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.
22 Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

How do we keep this commandment?

What laws of the land?

For example--Is paying taxes a law?

Things are different today than were in Joseph Smith's day, so I ask again, just what are the laws of the land to be kept?
What are the powers of today we're subject to?

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 5:25 pm
by 2BFree
freedomfighter wrote:D&C 58:21,22
21 Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.
22 Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

How do we keep this commandment?

What laws of the land?

For example--Is paying taxes a law?

Things are different today than were in Joseph Smith's day, so I ask again, just what are the laws of the land to be kept?
What are the powers of today we're subject to?
The Laws of the Land are distinctly different that the Laws of the Seas or Admiralty Law. The Laws of the Land are those laws that protect Life, Liberty and Property. This is why the Lord says that "those who obey the Laws of the Land have no need to break those laws since those laws are meant to protect us and by doing so would cause harm to others which is against the Law of God.

We live under two distinct structures, one being the "Common Law" or Law of the Land and Admiralty Law or Law of the Sea. Admiralty Law is created under the legal fiction of "Government" and acts upon the "person" or "persona" of the human being which is also a legal fiction created two weeks after we are born. These so called laws are named different things such as statutes, regulations, acts, titles etc. These have the force of law but are NOT law as to the Law of the Land. All statues and regulations that are created by government have no action upon human beings but only on their "person".

You mentioned the income tax and if it is considered the "Law of the Land". Who created the law? Who does it apply to? Have you ever read the statute and regulations in "Title 26" of the CFR? If you have you will come to realize that the tax codified in the statutes and regulations don't apply to human beings but to legal fictions called "Taxpayers" or "Corporations" or "Non-Resident Aliens" or "Withholding Agent" but not to human being or even "citizens". The "legal fiction" was set up for commerce and nothing more. The "society" it works under since it requires a "society" who members join at their free will and consent is the Bar Association. This association manages the flow of commerce and regulates it by enforcing the statutes and regulations created by it and it covers all aspects of life. The thing is that we all need to realize is that we are NOT persons. We HAVE a PERSON and we need to take back control and use of it. The "society" has confiscated our PERSONS and are using them for nefarious purposes like applying a value to it and then borrowing against it with our consent. I say "with our consent" because we are ignorant of this and since we don't claim our rights and object to this usage of our person we are in tacit approval or consent.

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:14 pm
by durangout
2BFree wrote:
freedomfighter wrote:D&C 58:21,22
21 Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.
22 Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

How do we keep this commandment?

What laws of the land?

For example--Is paying taxes a law?

Things are different today than were in Joseph Smith's day, so I ask again, just what are the laws of the land to be kept?
What are the powers of today we're subject to?
The Laws of the Land are distinctly different that the Laws of the Seas or Admiralty Law. The Laws of the Land are those laws that protect Life, Liberty and Property. This is why the Lord says that "those who obey the Laws of the Land have no need to break those laws since those laws are meant to protect us and by doing so would cause harm to others which is against the Law of God.

We live under two distinct structures, one being the "Common Law" or Law of the Land and Admiralty Law or Law of the Sea. Admiralty Law is created under the legal fiction of "Government" and acts upon the "person" or "persona" of the human being which is also a legal fiction created two weeks after we are born. These so called laws are named different things such as statutes, regulations, acts, titles etc. These have the force of law but are NOT law as to the Law of the Land. All statues and regulations that are created by government have no action upon human beings but only on their "person".

You mentioned the income tax and if it is considered the "Law of the Land". Who created the law? Who does it apply to? Have you ever read the statute and regulations in "Title 26" of the CFR? If you have you will come to realize that the tax codified in the statutes and regulations don't apply to human beings but to legal fictions called "Taxpayers" or "Corporations" or "Non-Resident Aliens" or "Withholding Agent" but not to human being or even "citizens". The "legal fiction" was set up for commerce and nothing more. The "society" it works under since it requires a "society" who members join at their free will and consent is the Bar Association. This association manages the flow of commerce and regulates it by enforcing the statutes and regulations created by it and it covers all aspects of life. The thing is that we all need to realize is that we are NOT persons. We HAVE a PERSON and we need to take back control and use of it. The "society" has confiscated our PERSONS and are using them for nefarious purposes like applying a value to it and then borrowing against it with our consent. I say "with our consent" because we are ignorant of this and since we don't claim our rights and object to this usage of our person we are in tacit approval or consent.
OK. So how do I keep from paying income tax w/o going to jail?

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:15 pm
by NoGreaterLove
This is always a fun conversation because there are those who no matter what the prophets say will bend the word of revelation to mean something other than what was said. But here goes nothing.

The laws of the land should conform to the government of God. In Joseph's own words:

The government of God has always tended to promote peace, unity, harmony, strength and happiness; while that of man has been productive of confusion, disorder, weakness and misery.fn

He insisted that all men should labor to the end that God's government be established.

Third: Citizens of any country are bound to obey and uphold the laws of the land in which they reside. Latter-day Saints should be the best citizens wherever they live. If not satisfied, they should move elsewhere or with lawful means seek to correct existing conditions

(John A. Widtsoe, Joseph Smith--Seeker after Truth, Prophet of God [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1951], 216.)

BE SUBJECT TO THE POWERS THAT BE. Any member of this Church who will not sustain the established laws of the land is not only disloyal as a citizen of the government, but he is disloyal to his Church and disloyal to God. We should understand it, and above all else we should be law-abiding and live in righteousness with each other, with our neighbors, and worship the living God in the spirit of truth and righteousness and at the same time have loyal hearts to the nations which bear rule and will bear rule until he comes whose right it is to reign.fn
(Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 3 vols., edited by Bruce R. McConkie [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954-1956], 3: 361.)

Matt. 5:41. Compel thee to go a mile] Apparently Jesus had reference to the Roman law which authorized troops passing a district to commandeer the people and compel them to carry their luggage. To comply with this law often resulted in great inconvenience. The principle involved is that the saints should pay their taxes, abide by the laws of the land, and submit to those public burdens attendant upon citizenship
(Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3 vols. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965-1973], 1: 228.)

On August 1, 1831, with reference to the then existent laws in the United States the Lord revealed this same principle to Joseph Smith in these words: "Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land. Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet." (D. & C. 58:21-22.)

SC1 Pet 2 131 Pet 2 14Similarly the Lord justifies those saints who live under the American constitutional system "in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land." (D. & C. 98:6.) And in its "Declaration of Belief regarding Governments and Laws in General." the Church affirms: "We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion are unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished accordingly; and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same time, however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience." (D. & C. 134:5.)

SC1 Pet 2 131 Pet 2 14It is true that instances may arise when the rulers of men may issue decrees which are counter to the mind and will of the Lord, as when Peter and John—having healed the man lame from his mother's womb, and having caused some 5000 men to believe in Christ and his resurrection, to the great consternation of the Jewish priests and Sadducees—were commanded "not to speak at all or teach in the name of Jesus." (Acts 3; 4:1-22.) In such cases, when God so reveals and commands, his people are expected to reject the civil law and follow the course announced from on high. Otherwise his saints are expected to conform to the civil law, and they are never justified in opposing it unless such a course is marked out for them by revelation.
(Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3 vols. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965-1973], 3: 299.)

JUSTIFIED IN OBEYING THE LAWS OF THE LAND

When the government passed laws against plural marriage the Church, by revelation from the Lord, ceased the practice. In doing so they were justified, for in a revelation given to Joseph Smith when the Saints were prevented in building the temple in Independence, Missouri, the Lord said:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings. (D. & C. 124:49.)

It is also written in another revelation:

Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.

Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet. (D. & C. 58:21-22.)
(Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 3: 162.)


So, today, we do not find anywhere among the ruling nations a single one that recognizes the Lord and is willing to obey his commandments. Nevertheless we are commanded by the Lord to be subject to such powers in the following words:

"Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the law of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.

"Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet." (D. & C. 58:21-22.)

Peter also gave the same kind of counsel:

"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of men for the Lord's sake; whether it be to the king, as supreme;

"Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evil doers, and for the praise of them that do well.

"For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men; * *.
"Honor all men, Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king." (1 Peter 2:13-17.)


(Joseph Fielding Smith, Church History and Modern Revelation, 4 vols. [Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1946-1949], 4: 124.)

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:19 pm
by ithink
freedomfighter wrote:D&C 58:21,22
21 Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.
22 Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

How do we keep this commandment?

What laws of the land?

For example--Is paying taxes a law?

Things are different today than were in Joseph Smith's day, so I ask again, just what are the laws of the land to be kept?
What are the powers of today we're subject to?
I would suggest using another scripture to answer that question:
5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
The corollary is that if the law is not constitutional, you are not justified in befriending it, and if you do, you will have to answer as to why you did befriend it. And if so, that law which is not constitutional also does not support the principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, and if so, you ally yourself with the forces of evil against rights and privileges.

Opposition to tyrants is obedience to God. Failure to oppose is disobedience.

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:29 pm
by NoGreaterLove
Yes you should become a friend to any law that is constitutional. You should be an enemy to any law that is unconstitutional. The prophets have told us exactly what to do if it is unconstitutional. Either move somewhere else or LAWFULLY change the law. We are commanded to obey the powers that be until Christ comes and are told "Any member of this Church who will not sustain the established laws of the land is not only disloyal as a citizen of the government, but he is disloyal to his Church and disloyal to God. "

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:43 pm
by Wiikwajio
freedomfighter wrote:D&C 58:21,22
21 Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.
22 Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

How do we keep this commandment?

What laws of the land?

For example--Is paying taxes a law?

Things are different today than were in Joseph Smith's day, so I ask again, just what are the laws of the land to be kept?
What are the powers of today we're subject to?
What a great question but... Which taxes? Sales taxes? Federal income taxes? Social Security taxes. Property taxes, gas taxes? Inheritance taxes? State income taxes? Fees? Etc.?

Which ones? I fully support taxes that are used for Constitutional purposes that are voluntary like gas taxes (if spent properly).

And of course there is the question of what do we PAY them with? What is a dollar? Do Federal Reserve Notes have any value so are taxes ACTUALLY paid.

And then there is that small perjury problem if you sign tax forms under penalty of perjury. Can you obey the law of the land while committing perjury?

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:20 pm
by Amore Vero
ithink wrote: The corollary is that if the law is not constitutional, you are not justified in befriending it, and if you do, you will have to answer as to why you did befriend it. And if so, that law which is not constitutional also does not support the principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, and if so, you ally yourself with the forces of evil against rights and privileges.

Opposition to tyrants is obedience to God. Failure to oppose is disobedience.

Great reply!

Heavenly Father never punishes us, nor is it ever a sin, for disobeying an unrighteous, unconstitutional law. He may suggest, but he never commands, going along with an unjust law for safety reasons for awhile until things are changed but he leaves it up to us to decide. No man that ever walked the earth was ever commanded to obey an evil person or law. It is against the laws of God. To be legal & valid, all laws & decrees must be in accordance with the Laws of God or the Constitution & they must protect our rights & freedoms. By personal revelation & study of the principles of freedom, we can know if a law is Constitutional or not & how we should proceed with it. Our Founding Fathers understood this principle & did not go along with unrighteous laws for long & God was behind them all the way.

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:25 pm
by Wiikwajio
durangout wrote:
OK. So how do I keep from paying income tax w/o going to jail?
How do you keep from going to jail while paying them? Most people in prison pay income taxes. Remember that.

But here is what the IRS says about who is required to determine if you are required to file.

From Publication 21/ 1998 update
Do you have to file a tax return and pay taxes?”
Answer from Pub. 21:
The U. S. income tax system is built on the idea of "voluntary compliance." This means that it is left to the taxpayer to keep the necessary records, file a return on time, pay any required taxes, and meet any other requirements of the tax law. The system is built on trust in the citizens to know their responsibilities and to do what needs to be done. Taxpayers voluntarily follow the steps the tax system lays out. Failure to do so can result in penalties.

Two aspects of the Federal Income Tax system - voluntary compliance with the law and self-assessment of tax - make it important for you to understand your rights and responsibilities as a taxpayer. 'Voluntary compliance' places on the taxpayer the responsibility for filing an income tax return. You must decide whether the law requires you to file a return. If it does, you must file your return by the date it is due. –IRS Publication 21

GOOD ADVICE!

Now I realize that this could be difficult but there are so many members of this forum that are sure that I am violating those laws maybe they could help you.

Here is what Ms. Shirley D. Peterson, former Commissioner of the IRS made in a "Tax Policy Lecture" before Southern Methodist University, on April 14, 1993 said:
Eight decades of amendments and accretions to the Code have produced a virtually impenetrable maze. The rules are unintelligible to most citizens - Including those who hold advanced degrees and including many who specialize in tax law. The rules are equally mysterious to many government employees who are charged with administering and enforcing the law.
It is also a known fact that the Internal Revenue Code is a very easily misunderstood area of law, even misunderstood by trained professionals. Judges and lawyers admittedly do not know the tax laws.

So good luck determining if you are a person required to file.

Of course you also need to determine if the IRS properly used the word "voluntary" in compliance with Supreme Court rulings. For that a Westlaw account is helpful. I recommend The United States Supreme Court definition of voluntary in LEE v. WEISMAN, 505 U.S. 577 (1992)
“Petitioners' argument that the option of not attending the ceremony excuses any inducement or coercion in the ceremony itself is rejected. In this society, high school graduation is one of life's most significant occasions, and a student is not free to absent herself from the exercise in any real sense of the term "voluntary." Also not dispositive is the contention that prayers are an essential part of these ceremonies because, for many persons, the occasion would lack meaning without the recognition that human achievements cannot be understood apart from their spiritual essence. This position fails to acknowledge that what for many was a spiritual imperative was for the Weismans religious conformance compelled by the State. It also gives insufficient recognition to the real conflict of conscience faced by a student who would have to choose whether to miss graduation or conform to the state-sponsored practice in an environment where the risk of compulsion is especially high.”

Naturally the IRS could not be following this definition in Publication 21 so you will be required to figure that out too. Good luck!

So are you responsible for filing an income tax return? Because remember it is YOUR responsibility to decide that according to the IRS.

So the first thing you have to figure out if you are a person required to file. If you are you a person required to file then you had better do it according to the IRS. Have you read the whole law (USC 26 plus all the regulations and court rulings which is way over 50 million words) and understand that you are a person required to file?

You also, naturally, need to determine if you have income in dollars that would surpass the filing requirement EVEN if you are required to file on other grounds. If you are married it is like $18,000 which is equal to about 342,000 Federal Reserve $1 denomination notes. Do you have that much income? Do you know if your income comes from taxable sources?

This may help on that pesky ole' dollar issue.

What is a Dollar?

I have been doing a lot of research on the issue on what a dollar is because:

“Federal income tax is imposed in terms of dollars. 26 U.S.C. § 1.” U.S. v. Rickman 638 F.2d 182, *184 (C.A.Kan., 1980)

I received correspondence from Senator John Ensign of Nevada, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve and Representative Dean Heller from Nevada. These letters indicate that there is no Congressional definition to the word dollar and the courts have been clear that ONLY Congress can define what a dollar is.

It appears that the word “dollar” has no meaning specific meaning. It appears that the government has established a monetary system, which, instead of being a standard of weights and measures has established a system of divers weights and measures. This is a direct violation of Biblical principles, and therefore the Religious Freedom Restoration Act comes into effect as this so-called facially neutral law directly affects my deeply held religious beliefs and practices and places a substantial burden upon them.

Deut. 25:13 ¶ Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small.
14 Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small.
15 But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
16 For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Lev. 19: 36 Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.

Ezek. 45: 10 Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath.

Amos 8: 5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?

Prov. 20: 10 Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD.

Micah 6: 10 ¶ Are there yet the treasures of wickedness in the house of the wicked, and the scant measure that is abominable?

It is therefore obvious that a system of divers weights and measures is in direct opposition to the teachings of the Bible.

But you also have to consider:

Do you believe in doing what is right and letting the consequences follow?

Do you believe that the Prophets told us to eschew Communism and Socialism?

Do you believe that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them?

1 Ne. 3:7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that t]he Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.

Then you also have to determine if the Religious Freedom Restoration act makes you exempt.

In SEC. 3. FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION PROTECTED, the law states:
(a) In General: Government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, except as provided in subsection (b).
(b) Exception: Government may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person--
(1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and
(2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

Would calculating your alleged income in Silver dollars minted since 1986 AD be the least restrictive on your religious beliefs? You have to figure that out but Joseph Smith said we would be fools to think that anything but gold or silver could be dollars.

And of course if the government cannot comply then you are exempt no mater if you WERE a person required to file even if you are married and have $20,000 in taxable income for taxable sources.

If you have not determined any of those things and are confused perhaps these will help:

From Spreckels Sugar Refining Co. v. McClain,192 U.S. 397, 24 S.Ct. 376, 418, U.S. 1904
Keeping in mind the well-settled rule that the citizen is exempt from taxation unless the same is imposed by clear and unequivocal language, and that where the construction of a tax law is doubtful, the doubt is to be resolved in favor of those upon whom the tax is sought to be laid.

Treat v. White, 181 U.S. 264, 267 21 S.Ct. 611, U.S. 1901
It is also true, as said by this court in United States v. Isham, 17 Wall. 496, 504, 21 L. ed. 728, 730, ‘If there is a doubt as to the liability of an instrument to taxation, the construction is in favor of the exemption, because, in the language of Pollock, C. B., in Gurr v. Scudds, 11 Exch. 191, ‘a tax cannot be imposed without clear and express words for that purpose.’' With that proposition we fully agree. There must be certainty as to the meaning and scope of language imposing any tax, and doubt in respect to its meaning is to be resolved in favor of the taxpayer.

Gould v. Gould, 245 U.S. 151, 153, 38 S.Ct. 53, U.S. 1917
In the interpretation of statutes levying taxes it is the established rule not to extend their provisions, by implication, beyond the clear import of the language used, or to enlarge their operations so as to embrace matters not specifically pointed out. In case of doubt they are construed most strongly against the government, and in favor of the citizen. United States v. Wigglesworth, 2 Story, 369, Fed. Cas. No. 16,690; American Net & Twine Co. v. Worthington, 141 U. S. 468, 474, 12 Sup. Ct. 55, 35 L. Ed. 821; Benziger v. United States, 192 U. S. 38, 55, 24 Sup. Ct. 189, 48 L. Ed. 331.

Hecht v. Malley, 265 U.S. 144, 156, 44 S.Ct. 462, U.S. 1924
Nor does the language of the Act in this respect call for the application of the established rule that in the interpretation of statutes levying taxes their provisions are not to be extended by implication beyond the clear import of the language used, and in case of doubt are to be construed most strongly against the Government and in favor of the taxpayer. Gould v. Gould, 245 U. S. 151, 153, 38 Sup. Ct. 53, 62 L. Ed. 211; United States v. Merriam, 263 U. S. 179, 187, 44 Sup. Ct. 69, 68 L. Ed. 240.

White v. Aronson, 302 U.S. 16, 20, 58 S.Ct. 95, U.S. 1937
Where there is a reasonable doubt as to the meaning of a taxing act it should be construed most favorably to the taxpayer. Gould v. Gould, 245 U.S. 151, 38 S.Ct. 53, 62 L.Ed. 211.

Hassett v. Welch, 303 U.S. 303, 314, 58 S.Ct. 559, U.S. 1938
In view of other settled rules of statutory construction, which teach that a law is presumed, in the absence of clear expression to the contrary, to operate prospectively; that, if doubt exists as to the construction of a taxing statute, the doubt should be resolved in favor of the taxpayer,FN20

FN20 Gould v. Gould, 245 U.S. 151, 38 S.Ct. 53, 62 L.Ed. 211; Shwab v. Doyle, supra; Reinecke v. Northern Trust Co., 278 U.S. 339, 348, 49 S.Ct. 123, 126, 73 L.Ed. 410, 66 A.L.R. 397; White v. Aronson, 302 U.S. 16, 58 S.Ct. 95, 82 L.Ed. 20.

At the outset it may be remarked that a statute providing for the imposition of taxes is to be strictly construed, and all reasonable doubts in respect thereto resolved against the government and in favor of the citizen. This principle is so well established that the citation of any considerable number of authorities in its support is unnecessary. In Spreckels Sugar Co. v. McClain, Collector, etc., 192 U.S. 397, 416, 24 Sup.Ct. 376, 382 (48 L.Ed. 496), Mr. Justice Harlan quoted with approval the following language of Judge Gray:

‘Keeping in mind the well-settled rule that the citizen is exempt from taxation, unless the same is imposed by clear and unequivocal language, and that, where the construction of a tax is doubtful, the doubt is to be resolved in favor of those upon whom the tax is sought to be laid.’

White v. Aronson, 302 U.S. 16, 20 & 21, 58 S.Ct. 95, U.S. 1937
‘Tax laws, like all other laws, are made to be obeyed. They should therefore be intelligible to those who are expected to obey them.’ Philadelphia Storage Battery Co. v. Lederer (D.C.) 21 F.(2d) 320, 321, 322.

Hope that helps you determine if you are a person required to file.

Do you recall what happens to slothful servants? Perhaps that can help you make the hard choices too.

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:28 pm
by Wiikwajio
Amore Vero wrote: Great reply!

Heavenly Father never punishes us, nor is it ever a sin, for disobeying an unrighteous, unconstitutional law. He may suggest, but he never commands, going along with an unjust law for safety reasons for awhile until things are changed but he leaves it up to us to decide. No man that ever walked the earth was ever commanded to obey an evil person or law. It is against the laws of God. To be legal & valid, all laws & decrees must be in accordance with the Laws of God or the Constitution & they must protect our rights & freedoms. By personal revelation & study of the principles of freedom, we can know if a law is Constitutional or not & how we should proceed with it. Our Founding Fathers understood this principle & did not go along with unrighteous laws for long & God was behind them all the way.
So if the Apostles are befriending unconstitutional laws should we do what they do or what they have told us to do.

It cannot be both.

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:43 pm
by freedomforall
What does this mean to us? Would someone please summarize this for me? Do we pay or don't we?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Definition

Amendment XVI (the Sixteenth Amendment) of the United States Constitution, authorizing income taxes in their present form, was ratified on February 3, 1913. It states:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Interpretation and history
The Income Tax Act of 1894 attempted to impose a federal tax of 2% on incomes over $4,000. Derided by its opponents as "communistic", it was challenged in federal court. In the case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895), the Supreme Court declared it to be an unconstitutional "direct tax", forbidden by Article I of the Constitution unless apportioned by population. Such apportionment was impractical for income taxes, since the rates would have to be set differently in different states depending on their population and total incomes. In response, this amendment was passed by Congress (and ratified by the necessary fraction of the states in 1913) in order to make federal income taxes constitutional.

In Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad (1916), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment created a narrow exception, into which only taxes on income from all sources could fit. All other taxes must still pass the "direct taxes must be apportioned" test of Article I. It also ruled that the Amendment was not retroactive.

Some Americans who object to income taxes claim that the Sixteenth Amendment was never properly ratified. The best-known proponent of this claim is Bill Benson, author of the book The Law That Never Was. Federal courts have rejected appeals based on claims of non-ratification, and some now consider them "frivolous" suits that are subject to sanction.

A strong libertarian viewpoint proposes the existence of a natural right to enjoy all the fruits of one's own labor (previously protected, they claim, by the Ninth Amendment). Taxation would be an infringement on that right, and this amendment was a major expansion of the taxing power of the federal government.

External links
National Archives: 16th Amendment (http://www.archives.gov/national_archiv ... 27.html#16)
"The Law That Never Was" (http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/) — Bill Benson's website disputing its ratification
Frauds and Scams site (http://www.fraudsandscams.com/Benson/miller.htm) describing failure of Benson-inspired arguments in court
Brushaber Decision (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/g ... 240/1.html) Supreme Court opinion on the apportionment clause of the Constitution.
Stanton Decision (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/g ... &invol=103) no new power of taxation
What Is Taxable Income? (http://www.taxableincome.net/report/index.html) from whatever source derived

Re: True or False

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 8:22 pm
by Amore Vero
Wiikwajio wrote:So if the Apostles are befriending unconstitutional laws should we do what they do or what they have told us to do.

It cannot be both.
What do you mean "do what they have told us to do"?

We are told to only follow Apostles if they are counseling in accordance with what the Scriptures & the Presidents of the Church have said.

Re: True or False

Posted: June 7th, 2010, 7:30 pm
by sbsion
hmmmmmmmmmm.......so tell it to JS and John Taylor and.................. :idea: