LDS Freedom Forum

leeuniverse wrote:Either way, he's off, and the rest of your are off to believe some of his "conspiracy's". Sorry, but that's the truth. I've seen the arguments, I've seen the claims, and it's just NOT the "whole truth". You all take some little detail and blow it up, completely ignoring other facts and more plausible possibilities.

I'm not questioning whether we are in BOM times or not, cause we are, simply some of you all's judgment on a few things, especially as to 9/11, bearing false witness of conservatives, etc.

Amore Vero wrote:I believe that Moroni, if he were here today seeing all what's going on, would be even angrier & upset than Alex Jones gets. The fire Alex breathes out is actually calming to those who understand the awfulness of our situation. Thank goodness somebody gets it & is willing to talk about it & fight it.

Alex Jones seems to understand & be able to see right from wrong & truth from error & muster the courage to tell it like it is & fight evil, far better than 9 out of 10 so-called 'Priesthood holders' in the Church, who actually are deceived to support much of the evil Alex is trying to fight.

What ever religion he is, God is definately behind him & greatful for the few courageous men like him. A man does not have to be perfect to fight for right, but doing so will eventually surely make him perfect.

Modern-day Sampson

Any young Mormon boy who gets his hands on a book about Orrin Porter Rockwell thinks this guy was pretty doggone cool. I knew a few things about Porter before I did research to write this album. I knew he was a mountain man, somewhat of a rogue. He did things his own way. He was a bodyguard to Joseph Smith and later to Brigham Young; and, of course, I knew what we all know…he killed a lot of people.
I had always wondered why this man, who is rumored to have killed more people than Wyatt Earp, Billy the Kid and the Jesse James gang combined has been so buried in American history because he was a Mormon, and again, so buried in Mormon history because we don’t know what in the heck to do with him. As I read several books on this fascinating man, my heart started to change any and all preconceived notions I had about him.
I learned that the Rockwell family and the Smith family were friends, living near each other when Joseph and Porter were boys. Porter was a little younger than Joseph but on more than one occasion Porter sat near the fire in the Smith home as young Joseph told the story of the First Vision. The two became fast friends. Porter quickly gained a testimony of Joseph as a prophet of God. Porter soon gained a sense of wanting to protect Joseph in any way that he could, to help him fulfill his calling. This later led to Porter’s desire to further protect his Saints against difficulties they were facing at every turn.
I learned that Porter led more than one group of the early pioneers across the plains. He often rode days ahead of the groups finding the easiest routes to travel, and many times killing antelope and buffalo to feed the Saints. I learned that he had a way with the Native Americans. They seem to understand him, and he them. His friendly relations with the various tribes once they reach the Salt Lake Valley was crucial to the Saints co-existence with the natives.
I could go on and on about my favorite Porter stories, but here is one I particularly like. Once in Utah, Porter built an inn near the point of the mountain, between Salt Lake City and Provo (I always say that he wanted to make sure it was right in between the University Of Utah and BYU). People often came to Porter because he was a “finisher”…he got things done. Many people today seem to think that once the Saints got to Utah that everything was just happy happy after that. Not so. Many travelers journeying to California for a million different reasons would observe these Saints in their settlements, who had just crossed the miserable plains and say, “Let’s take what we want from the poor Mormons.” Well, Porter proved to be a day of reckoning for a few of those greedy travelers. One night a man from Springville rode to Porter’s inn and told Porter that four men on horseback had just came through his place and stolen the only thirty cows he owned. He told Porter his family would never make it through the winter without those cows. Porter put on his hat and coat, and of course his guns, and walked out to saddle his horse, asking only one question…”Which way’d they go?” “South through the canyon towards Price”, the man replied. Porter rode into Springville from the south several days later with thirty cows and four horses. Such was Porter Rockwell.
Remember Teancum in the Book Of Mormon? Likewise idolized by young Mormon readers, Teancum not once but twice, in the dark of night climbed over the wall of the Lamanite city and snuck into the sleeping chambers of two different wicked kings who had so oppressed his people. He did not scold either king. He did not spit in the face of either king. He did not slap the face of either king. He in fact killed both kings rendering them incapable of further tormenting his Saints. Do we think of Teancum with the same judgments that we place upon Porter?
I have two beautiful daughters whom I love dearly. I have never seen them dragged by the hair of their heads out of their front door into the street. I have not seen mothers defiled before me. I have not seen my home and the homes of my friends burned to the ground. I have not seen my friend and my prophet full of bullet holes lying on a cold table next to his murdered brother. I have not seen my people driven and driven and driven. Before I would choose to judge Orrin Porter Rockwell, I would need to look into the eyes of a little girl who buried her parents in Garden Grove, and weeks later somewhere in Wyoming, half starved and exhausted, turns her dirty face toward me with eyes that say, “Why?”
I choose not to judge Porter, or anyone else who fights for the freedom of his people. If Porter Rockwell was a friend of the prophet Joseph Smith, well then he’s a friend of mine.

Rob wrote: I'm not sure if you meant to come across as offensive, which is why I asked if you're simply trolling here. Is that what you're doing? I'd like to know before continuing this exchange. It doesn't sound like you've done a whole lot of research.

Mark wrote: I recently heard Jones go off on a tirade of F bombs and the like that would make a sailor blush when he was challenged about his stance on some conspiracy subject.

Mark wrote:

Amore Vero wrote:I believe that Moroni, if he were here today seeing all what's going on, would be even angrier & upset than Alex Jones gets. The fire Alex breathes out is actually calming to those who understand the awfulness of our situation. Thank goodness somebody gets it & is willing to talk about it & fight it.

Alex Jones seems to understand & be able to see right from wrong & truth from error & muster the courage to tell it like it is & fight evil, far better than 9 out of 10 so-called 'Priesthood holders' in the Church, who actually are deceived to support much of the evil Alex is trying to fight.

What ever religion he is, God is definately behind him & greatful for the few courageous men like him. A man does not have to be perfect to fight for right, but doing so will eventually surely make him perfect.

Just compare the techniques of men like Alex Jones to those like Neal Maxwell and Jeff Holland and Thomas Monson and Henry Eyring and that will give you a clue on who speaks with the spirit of the Lord in addressing the evils of our day. I recently heard Jones go off on a tirade of F bombs and the like that would make a sailor blush when he was challenged about his stance on some conspiracy subject. I see way to much caustic hyperbole induced actions and behavior in those like Alex Jones. That behavior and lack of common courtesy and decency does not attract an honest seeker of truth. Perhaps that's the point of it?

Kurt Nimmo @ Infowars wrote:"Faux News darling, inveterate neocon, and internment camp advocate Michelle Malkin got more than she bargained for when she ventured out in the street in Denver to take pictures of her avowed enemies, members of the “far left” gathered to protest the DNC.

She didn’t bargain for Alex Jones, who is not a member of the “far left” or any other category of the manufactured false right-left paradigm, but is rather a true conservative, a species completely alien to Malkin, who is a neocon, that is to say a Trotskyite, and a monster, as Alex averred.

Of course, Malkin is too young and untutored to know the true roots of the political ideology she espouses, so it will suffice to say she is a shameless opportunist on parade as a Bush “conservative,” that is to say she is an authoritarian warmonger intolerant of the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights.

At 57 seconds into the video here, Alex adeptly scouts out Malkin in the crowd. Malkin poses as a tourist in search of a few digital pictures, no doubt to put on her blog to accompany one of her hateful diatribes. “Hey, Michelle Malkin, you still promoting FEMA camps for the American people?” Alex inquires. Malkin acts as if she has no idea what Alex is talking about, although the expression on her face gives it all away.

A few years ago Malkin decided to cash in on the hysteria fabricated by the government in the wake of the September 11, 2001, inside job and wrote In Defense of Internment: The Case for “Racial Profiling” in World War II and the War on Terror. In the book, she made excuses for the immoral mass round-up of Japanese Americans during the Second World War and advocates racial profiling of Muslims and Arabs in the current context.

Back in 2004, when Malkin’s scurrilous book hit the streets, I wrote: “Malkin is preparing the ethical skids for internment of Muslim Americans who are, simply by virtue of their religion, considered somehow less than American and deserving of a FEMA camp if, per chance, Osama bin Goldstein pulls off another attack.”

Since I wrote the above, more than a few of Malkin’s neocon compatriots have called for 9/11 truth activists to be arrested, beaten, tased, and disappeared into concentration camps. Neocon Michael Reagan, the adopted son of the late Ronald Reagan, called for the truth activist Mark Dice to be shot, while Faux News talking head Brian Kilmead suggested beating dissidents for the crime confronting politicians. MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough made a point of stressing that 9/11 truth activists be roundly tased and rendered to “special” detention centers. Geraldo Rivera characterized 9/11 truth activists as “anarchists” and on one occasion went so far as to suggest the bombing of a military recruiting center in Times Square was the work of truth activists, while Glenn Beck has compared activists to Timothy McVeigh, who was executed for his involvement in the false flag op in Oklahoma City.

Malkin is directly linked to this despicable bunch and no doubt harbors likewise sentiment in regard to people who oppose the neocon “clash of civilizations,” that is to say the neocon mass murder campaign currently responsible for well over a million people.

It’s really too bad Malkin was not arrested immediately for the part she has played in that murder campaign, a massive war crime bordering on the sort the Nazis committed and were sent to the gallows for.

Instead, she is allowed to “work,” as she insisted when confronted by Alex for her complicity in crime, her advocation of internment camps and torture. The Faux News darling was outraged that Alex Jones and others on the street in Denver would dare interrupt her “work,” that is to say her continuing support for the neocons and their crimes against humanity.

It was a good thing, Alex getting up in her face. It was good Alex and company chased the little darling of Faux News down the street and back to her hotel.

It was the least they could do"

leeuniverse wrote: there was no 9/11 conspiracy. The "only" cover-up from that day was the Pentagon, that they have a weapon that basically incinerated the plan, hence "why" almost no plane was left, and only a small portion actually hit the building. THAT'S IT FOLKS..... All your other little claims are simply "malarkey", childish fantasy from children that haven't "grown up" an joined the REAL WORLD. Man people!!!

ready2prepare wrote:Do y'all remember the story of this really
"wacko" scientist in the 16th century who
had the audacity to declare based on his
research that the sun did NOT revolve
around the earth even though anyone
with eyes to see and half a brain in their
head "knew" that the sun revolved around
the earth--because they "saw" the sun do
it every day?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

Dad gum conspiracy nuts...no wonder this
guy got fired from his university job and
spent the last 10 years of his life under
house arrest. Served him right.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

larsenb wrote:Therefore, my conclusion is that he is in fact acting in the capacity of a troll.

ready2prepare wrote:Do y'all remember the story of this really
"wacko" scientist in the 16th century who
had the audacity to declare based on his
research that the sun did NOT revolve
around the earth even though anyone
with eyes to see and half a brain in their
head "knew" that the sun revolved around
the earth--because they "saw" the sun do
it every day?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

Dad gum conspiracy nuts...no wonder this
guy got fired from his university job and
spent the last 10 years of his life under
house arrest. Served him right.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

notjamesbond003.5 wrote:

ready2prepare wrote:Do y'all remember the story of this really
"wacko" scientist in the 16th century who
had the audacity to declare based on his
research that the sun did NOT revolve
around the earth even though anyone
with eyes to see and half a brain in their
head "knew" that the sun revolved around
the earth--because they "saw" the sun do
it every day?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

Dad gum conspiracy nuts...no wonder this
guy got fired from his university job and
spent the last 10 years of his life under
house arrest. Served him right.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

Gay people use this same argument for their cause, ie-"we're enlightened and you're not"..

Mark wrote:

Amore Vero wrote:I believe that Moroni, if he were here today seeing all what's going on, would be even angrier & upset than Alex Jones gets. The fire Alex breathes out is actually calming to those who understand the awfulness of our situation. Thank goodness somebody gets it & is willing to talk about it & fight it.

Alex Jones seems to understand & be able to see right from wrong & truth from error & muster the courage to tell it like it is & fight evil, far better than 9 out of 10 so-called 'Priesthood holders' in the Church, who actually are deceived to support much of the evil Alex is trying to fight.

What ever religion he is, God is definately behind him & greatful for the few courageous men like him. A man does not have to be perfect to fight for right, but doing so will eventually surely make him perfect.

Just compare the techniques of men like Alex Jones to those like Neal Maxwell and Jeff Holland and Thomas Monson and Henry Eyring and that will give you a clue on who speaks with the spirit of the Lord in addressing the evils of our day.

There is a big difference here Mark... the brethren have to be very careful how they approach hinting of the truth and what we're facing politically, financially and economically because of 501c3... Jones doesn't... he can be as direct and as outspoken as he wants to be without fear of federal Mafia rebuke/condemnation and the financial consequences of his words. I read an interesting comment yesterday in which Pres. Ezra Taft Benson, before he passed away, remarked how the church had become condemned in the eyes of the Lord for its capitulation to the evils of government for a preservation of tax-exempt status. It's here on the board somwhere... a search could probably locate it.

I recently heard Jones go off on a tirade of F bombs and the like that would make a sailor blush when he was challenged about his stance on some conspiracy subject.

Mark, do you have a link/source for that? While using F bombs wouldn't make me think twice about his genuine pursuit of the truth or any less of him as a Patriotic truth-teller, it would certainly disappoint me with regard to his character and spiritual side.

Amore Vero wrote:I believe that Moroni, if he were here today seeing all what's going on, would be even angrier & upset than Alex Jones gets. The fire Alex breathes out is actually calming to those who understand the awfulness of our situation. Thank goodness somebody gets it & is willing to talk about it & fight it.

Alex Jones seems to understand & be able to see right from wrong & truth from error & muster the courage to tell it like it is & fight evil, far better than 9 out of 10 so-called 'Priesthood holders' in the Church, who actually are deceived to support much of the evil Alex is trying to fight.

What ever religion he is, God is definately behind him & greatful for the few courageous men like him. A man does not have to be perfect to fight for right, but doing so will eventually surely make him perfect.