LDS Freedom Forum

I have little confidence in the Priesthood, sorry to say. We have just survived the Memorial Day weekend, with its speeches and worship of the brave soldiers who died for their country - died as pawns in the worldwide chess game, fought for the financial and tyrannical purposes of the elite, that was WWII (and all other wars, including the current WARS).

I am sick of talks given by men who have not read the Declaration of Independence or Constitution since high school, if at all. They don't seem to have a clue about what the, probably, only moral war was fought over - the Revolutionary War. They don't understand agency, they don't understand freedom, and they certainly don't care much about either, since they are the first to say "there ought to be a law!!!"

I am sick of hearing people thank God for "the freedoms we enjoy", since we have so very few of those freedoms left. But ask them to read a book, ask them to discover for themselves what this country was supposed to be about, ask them to try to imagine what freedom was just after the Constitution was ratified, and you get a blank stare, or excuses about how this is a different time, or arguments about how this country is immoral.

I am sick of apathy, especially from those who get up and give tearful speeches about this great land and the young men who died for it. I say they died in vain. I say they died for the Gadiantons. They died fighting Satan's war, for Satan's purposes. I think we should be discussing talks like Spencer W Kimball's "The False God's We Worship", especially the part where he talks about war and depending on the implements of war and not depending on God to protect us.

No, I don't have much confidence in the Priesthood. They will not heed the talk in this past Conference - BKP I believe - who talked about the POWER of the Priesthood. We have the Priesthood in the Church, but no power behind it. Come on, men. Take up the POWER. The conditions spoken of by ETB are conditional upon the PRIESTHOOD doing their DUTY. There are several men in my ward who talk about freedom and complain about the current state of affairs, but there are none who see it for what it is - that this administration is merely the culmination of all the machinations of all the previous administrations for the past 200 years - all according to Satan's work to implement his plan on this earth, which he has done.

Whenever Congress passes a law, whenever a state legislature passes a law, whenever a county commission or city council passes an ordinance that oversteps the Spirit of the Declaration of Independence, we are in trouble. Whenever WE the PEOPLE ask those entities to pass a law that oversteps, then we are in greater trouble, because We the People is the FIRST branch of government, the protectors of freedom. We should be the protectors of our own freedom and instead we ask the government to take the freedom of others because we think our ox might be gored.

Sorry for the rant. But we are so far gone. The government is in the business of destroying freedom and has been for generations. And if you want to know the cause, look in the mirror. And if you think that things are not that bad, remember this: "The evils of tyranny are seldom seen but by him who resists it." In other words, if you are living comfortably and the emissaries of Satan are not on your door, then you are not resisting him, you are not resisting tyranny, and therefore you just may have NO idea just how evil it all is. You also may not understand how close we are to the second coming, because you may not know how close we are to the destruction of Babylon when it falls in a day by the Lord's hand. You may not see that 3 Nephi 9:9 applies to us today.

If we are living through the war in heaven here on earth, then the actions of government all over the world are very close to implementing Satan's plan in its entirety. Government IS the Great and Abominable Church. It is the only thing that matches the description. And we cannot belong to both churches. We have to decide. That is the purpose of this probationary state. So CHOOSE! Can we support the Church of the Devil in any way and still belong to the Church of Christ?

I have to go. I have to start packing my belongings so the IRS can have my house and business to pay taxes I don't owe in order to punish me for resisting the tyranny. But know this. I am not supporting the Church of the Devil. The Church of the Devil is STEALING our God-given stewardship. We are certainly NOT surrendering it. If we ultimately lose our case, they will be STEALING it.

Joyce

The IRS is a tyrannical, gangster, Gestapo collections agency for a bunch of private banksters who steal the fruits of our labor and call themselves the 'Federal Reserve', plain and simple! I would love to see every God-fearing Patriot create their own money to compete with the 'Fed' and then when confronted by the Feds for counterfeiting, ask how what they are doing is any different than what the 'Federal Reserve' does! Why can't I just print up my own dollars with a printing press and then loan it out at interest while using other dollar-denominated bills to pay off my debts and to spend as much as I want anytime I please? The 'Fed' does! I could be debt free in minutes!

Col. Flagg wrote:The IRS is a tyrannical, gangster, Gestapo collections agency for a bunch of private banksters who steal the fruits of our labor and call themselves the 'Federal Reserve', plain and simple! I would love to see every God-fearing Patriot create their own money to compete with the 'Fed' and then when confronted by the Feds for counterfeiting, ask how what they are doing is any different than what the 'Federal Reserve' does! Why can't I just print up my own dollars with a printing press and then loan it out at interest while using other dollar-denominated bills to pay off my debts and to spend as much as I want anytime I please? The 'Fed' does! I could be debt free in minutes!

Because the Constitution grants the power to create money to Congress and so you would be violating the law. Congress is currently in violation of the mandates of the Constitution and the Bible because they have not declared what a dollar's value is. Therefore the Fed is just doing what Congress tells it to do which is also unconstitutional.

But it must not be unconstitutional because 95% of all Mormons tell the IRS under penalty of perjury that they know how many dollars in income they had just last year. Tough to do since their is no definition of what a dollar is but why should the facts interfere with voluntary slavery?

Wiikwajio wrote:

Col. Flagg wrote:The IRS is a tyrannical, gangster, Gestapo collections agency for a bunch of private banksters who steal the fruits of our labor and call themselves the 'Federal Reserve', plain and simple! I would love to see every God-fearing Patriot create their own money to compete with the 'Fed' and then when confronted by the Feds for counterfeiting, ask how what they are doing is any different than what the 'Federal Reserve' does! Why can't I just print up my own dollars with a printing press and then loan it out at interest while using other dollar-denominated bills to pay off my debts and to spend as much as I want anytime I please? The 'Fed' does! I could be debt free in minutes!

Because the Constitution grants the power to create money to Congress and so you would be violating the law.

But that's OK isn't it... the 'Fed' has been getting away with it for 97 years and has not had any criminal prosecution brought against it?

It's pretty hard to argue against most of that letter. A lot of the things she mentions I've seen, even though I haven't been in her situation. But then there is this:

I have to go. I have to start packing my belongings so the IRS can have my house and business to pay taxes I don't owe in order to punish me for resisting the tyranny. But know this. I am not supporting the Church of the Devil. The Church of the Devil is STEALING our God-given stewardship. We are certainly NOT surrendering it. If we ultimately lose our case, they will be STEALING it.

This is where the buck stops so to speak. She is railing against us all for not taking a stand with her against the IRS while at the same time admitting her stand is costing her her home and business and who knows what else. Now if a few million people would make a stand like she is, then the IRS would have a big problem, they couldn't go after them all; but as long as its a person here, a person there, this is the result. Its a catch-22. So the reality is, right now we can either:

A) Take a stand against the IRS, probably go to jail and loose our property, but at least go knowing we stood for something.
B) Pay taxes, even if we know they are wrong, but continue with our lives.

It's not hard to see why a lot of people aren't taking option A; and whose to say its the right thing to do? If I lose my home and/or go to jail what happens to my 4 children? Does taking a futile stand outweigh the responsibility I have to them? How about to my wife? These are not clear choices.

Wiikwajio, you've made it clear how you chose, and it sounds like to a large extent you've been very blessed; things like getting a letter saying you don't have to pay taxes, etc. That's great, I admire what you've accomplished; but what if it had gone the other way? Imagine rotting in a jail cell while your family is out there without a home or any income. Now is it still the right thing to do? For me the risk vs. reward in this kind of a stand is not there. You have a lot of legal knowledge in your family, maybe for you that was a reasonable choice. For me, I believe being there for my family outweighs denying the IRS a few bucks.

In my opinion, its better to pay the taxes for now and fight in other ways. That may change in the future, but for now, this woman's story is exactly why I won't take a stand against the IRS. If you posted this to encourage us to do as she did, it's not working. So how about giving us a break. Lay off the constant berating against those of us who pay taxes. Especially today, when the government is printing far more money than the pitiful amounts it is getting out of us; what it gets out of us is practically meaningless.

You have the knowledge to help teach us all how to fight back in so many ways; why are you so fixated on the IRS? I'm far more interested in learning how to fight in other ways that won't involve losing my house or going to jail. I'll bet most other people here feel the same. I like how you are going after the cops and things like that. That seems like a far more reasonable way to fight back right now. Give us more of those types of posts please.

The IRS is as powerful as the 'Fed' itself since it is a creation of the 'Fed'... all you can hope to do is spread awareness of the illegality, unconstitutionality and criminality of its existence, along with the 'Fed's'. If there was a mass awakening, then maybe we might have a chance to do something about the 'Fed' and IRS, but that is highly unlikely because there are far too many apathetic, complacent and ignorant people in this country who care more about last night's ball game and who got voted off American Idol than who is in the White House or what's happening politically/financially in their nation.

Col. Flagg wrote:The IRS is as powerful as the 'Fed' itself since it is a creation of the 'Fed'... all you can hope to do is spread awareness of the illegality, unconstitutionality and criminality of its existence, along with the 'Fed's'. If there was a mass awakening, then maybe we might have a chance to do something about the 'Fed' and IRS, but that is highly unlikely because there are far too many apathetic, complacent and ignorant people in this country who care more about last night's ball game and who got voted off American Idol than who is in the White House or what's happening politically/financially in their nation.

That is why I decided to stop waiting and just do it on my own. My life is evidence that freedom from the IRS is possible.

1 Ne. 17: 50 And I said unto them: If God had commanded me to do all things I could do them. If he should command me that I should say unto this water, be thou earth, it should be earth; and if I should say it, it would be done.

Message from the First Presidency, Improvement Era, August 1936, p. 488.
Latter-day Saints cannot be true to their faith and lend aid, encouragement, or sympathy to false ideologies such as socialism and communism. The official Church position on communism remains unchanged since it was first promulgated in 1936: "We call upon all Church members completely to eschew Communism. The safety of our divinely inspired Constitutional government and the welfare of our Church imperatively demand that Communism shall have no place in America."

Simple.

From what I understand, the IRS is a private organization as an arm of the IMF, which is under the arm of the UN. Correct?

I've paid my fees to the mafiosos, so they stay off my back.

pritchet1 wrote:From what I understand, the IRS is a private organization as an arm of the IMF, which is under the arm of the UN. Correct?

I've paid my fees to the mafiosos, so they stay off my back.

The jury is out on that one, my friend. There is no Congressional act that EVER created the Internal Revenue Service. The office of the Commissioner of the internal revenue was created by Congress but that was also repealed. But the courts say it is a part of the government so...?

I have not paid anything to them and they stayed off my back. In fact my brother pays and has way more hassles than I have ever even thought about.

Just sayin'

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