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Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 12:02 pm
by NoGreaterLove
Talk is cheap! I have personally been in many situations where cheap talk flowed around as a source of entertainment, one trying to outdo the other. Most conspiracy talk is just that, cheap talk. Sure there are secrets C's out there. But you and I are not going to be reading about it on the internet. Death is the penalty for breaking those covenants.
As for the FEMA camps. I will stick to my word on it. Give me the coordinates and I will see what I can do. Obviously I can not just drive up to the gate at Dugway and tell them I am here to check out the FEMA camps, but there are other ways.
Doc
By the way. I do not discredit your investigation. It could have merit. I discount the probability of proving the scenario you proclaim with the evidence you have due to the way the evidence was collected. I see too much room for contamination from those who want to point a finger at the Gov.. The conspiracy theorists have their own group of gadiantons too. They are not exempt.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 2:02 pm
by Nan
DrJones wrote:
Nan wrote:The problem I see with people preparing for tent cities or bugging out is this. They are only preparing for one possible scenario that could happen. They are not prepared for other things that could happen. The danger I see is that if things don't happen the way they think they will they could 1)not be prepared for what really happens, 2) lose faith because of things not happening the way they think they are going to and 3)they aren't living a full life now. They are so focused on this one possibility that they are forgetting to enjoy the moment... And there is a lot of judging of others .
Is this a "potential problem", hypothetical, or do you know of any who actually fit this description? (Starting with any on this forum...)
People I know in real life, some of them family members.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 3:27 pm
by GeeR
Is anyone here familiar with this article by Chuck Baldwin?

MORE ON INTERNMENT CAMPS

By Chuck Baldwin
August 28, 2009

NewsWithViews.com

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a column questioning why it was necessary for our federal government to be constructing internment camps all over America. See the original column here.
I felt it was time for someone such as me to publicly broach the subject. Needless to say, the response was overwhelming. Even more interesting is the fact that the web link to the National Guard Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) of "Internment/Resettlement Specialist" that I included in my column was removed shortly after the column was published. Was this a coincidence?

Of course, the U.S. Army still has their web site soliciting recruitment for "Internment/Resettlement Specialist" online. See it here.
Readers might also want to familiarize themselves with this story out of Fort Leavenworth:
Predictably, I heard from a sizeable number of readers who expressed concern about my "credibility." Some were more direct: descriptions such as "conspiracy nut," "lunatic," "fringe," etc., popped up quite often. Several readers dismissed the entire proposition on the basis that, apparently, the link I provided to a photo of one such camp that was reported in the Idaho Observer as a FEMA camp was actually constructed in another country. Which, if true, changes nothing, of course. Others pointed to a very shallow "exposé" published in Popular Mechanics that attempted (lamely) to debunk the whole notion of internment camps. (This was the same source Glenn Beck used to dismiss the idea.) See the report here.
Criticism and name-calling aside, after reading the responses from hundreds of readers (and examining the evidence they submitted), I am more convinced than ever that our federal government is, indeed, constructing large numbers of internment camps. And as one might expect, I heard from a large number of military and law enforcement personnel, which made the evidence even more compelling.

One statement from a retired Air Force colonel (who is still active in military associations and stays well-informed on military issues) was especially telling. He said, "The Indiana plant is an AMTRAK repair area--there are probably similar reasons for other facilities. [Which is, no doubt, true.] I was a primary member of 'Continuity of Operations' planning in my second tour in the Pentagon in the 1960s--such planning has continued apace! This country was--and to a large extent still is--totally unprepared for the after effects of nuclear exchange. The millions of casualties of humans and animals--notwithstanding the almost total loss of communications and government infrastructure like police, fire, emergency response, etc. THERE ARE AND SHOULD BE PLANS TO DECLARE MARTIAL LAW to keep order, to provide assistance for food, shelter, medical, etc. FEMA was designed to do this work to fill the terrible losses in continuity of operations, which would keep this country viable. Katrina is a tiny example of how an emergency can destroy an entire geographical area--and Katrina is just a minor example of where we would be as a result of a nuclear exchange. As with all things military you plan for the worst and hope for the best.
"We remain vulnerable to massive catastrophes in this country--natural or man-caused. We need to be prepared and FEMA with all its faults--BACKED BY THE MILITARY--is charged with this job." (Emphasis added.)

To learn more about "Continuity of Operations," to which the good colonel referred, start with these web sites:
1- http://www.nextgov.com
2- en.wikipedia.org
3- fas.org

Notice that the retired colonel did not challenge the existence of internment camps, but rather linked them, and military-backed FEMA, with martial law--and he saw nothing wrong with that. (Please note: the colonel brought up martial law; I did not. Plus, the colonel was not adversarial with me, but on the contrary, expressed familiarity and favor toward me.) Several military men who wrote me shared the colonel's sentiment. Some of them expressed concern about the impact these plans will have on freedom and constitutional government, while others seemed completely unconcerned regarding any potential encroachment that plans of military action against American citizens might have upon the Bill of Rights. What is enlightening, however, is the fact that, regardless of the personal position taken, none of the military personnel who wrote me discounted the existence of internment camps.

Since the colonel brought up martial law, U.S. Congressman Paul Broun (R-GA) recently indicated that he believed the U.S. government was intending to do just that. See his comments here.
And last year, the San Francisco Chronicle published a major story regarding the potential for the federal government to suspend the Constitution and institute martial law. See the story here
In addition, is it a coincidence that a bill was recently introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives (H.R. 645) called the National Emergency Centers Establishment Act, which directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish "not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations"? See the report here.

Is all of this information simply to be discarded as hysteria?

On the other hand, several readers chided me for being "late" to discuss the subject. And to be sure, some of these folks have done quite a bit of personal research and have amassed a large amount of data on the subject.
For example, readers supplied me with a plethora of material to substantiate the existence of large numbers of internment camps throughout the United States. I invite readers to peruse some of the information provided below and draw their own conclusions:
1- http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org
2- http://www.bing.com
3- http://www.tinyurl.com

Of course, the above is merely a sample of the scores of resources that were forwarded to me by readers. I encourage people to do their own research.

Even Mr. Skeptoid himself, Brian Dunning, grudgingly acknowledges the probability of the existence of internment camps on U.S. soil. As with the retired Air Force colonel referred to above, Dunning senses nothing sinister about the existence of the camps, and he doesn't address the numbers part of the story, but he does admit the plausibility of their existence.
Dunning wrote, "When I first heard the FEMA Prison Camp conspiracy story, it seemed ridiculous and paranoid at face value. But when I finally dug in to research it, I started by searching for the origins of the rumors, and found to my surprise that nearly all of the legal foundation and precedent for such a plan does in fact exist."

See Dunning's blog here

As I was mulling over all this information, I remembered reading an interview that radio talk show host Geoff Metcalf had with author Ted Flynn regarding Flynn's (then) new book, "Hope of the Wicked: The Master Plan to Rule the World." According to Metcalf, "Flynn's book provides a strong historical basis to show that there is a global elite working to end the sovereignty of nations and to place every person on earth under the authority of the United Nations." This interview was conducted back in 2001, by the way.

In the interview, Metcalf asked Flynn, "Please explain what FEMA is. What is their authority and what is their job?"
Flynn replied, "The Federal Emergency Management Agency is probably going to be the enforcement arm of the New-World Order. Very few people could tell you that it is actually a cabinet position. By and large, a great percentage of their budget is 'black ops.' It's really not on the books. You only hear of them a little bit when there are disasters. But there is a great agenda to gather information for the government in stealth."

Metcalf then said, "I found it significant when Rep. Henry Gonzalez, D-Texas, clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview a few years ago, he said, 'the truth is yes--you do have these standby provisions, and the plans are here . . . whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism . . . evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps.' They DO exist."

Flynn replied, "They do."
See the interview here.

Again, that our federal government has built large numbers of internment camps seems undeniable. What has not been determined is the purpose for which these facilities have been constructed. No one wants to believe that our government is planning evil designs upon us. Then again, neither did German Jews want to believe that their government was up to no good.
America's founders believed that a central government could not be trusted, which is why they tried to fence it in with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Neither should citizens today trust the federal government. As President George Washington put it, "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Therefore, keep a wary eye out for anything that the federal government could use to encroach upon our liberties and freedoms--even reports of internment camps. If the reports are bogus, you've lost nothing; but if they are real, you could end up losing your liberty.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin530.htm

"Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government."
Joseph Fielding Smith (Conference Report Apr. 1950, p.159)

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 3:35 pm
by Amore Vero
GeeR wrote:"Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government."
Joseph Fielding Smith (Conference Report Apr. 1950, p.159)

60 years ago it was our final call to wake up before it's too late & today, almost everyone is still snoring their life away, literally.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:21 pm
by NoGreaterLove
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Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:23 pm
by freedomforall
Henmasher wrote:
show me YOUR Political Religion of the Nation so that I can see how you followed the teachings of the Prophets on this subject of Political Religion.
Here is my political religion as the prophets have spoken of. The Constitution of the United States and abiding by it to the best of my ability. There will only be one church. The church of Jesus Christ. Any others are the whore of the earth. 1 Nephi 14:10
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
Question: if the LDS church has a monopoly on being the only one not burned, (and this is debatable), then what about all the other people of the earth that, although they don't have the fulness of the gospel, are striving to the best of their ability and knowledge to be saved.? Will they be left out?
What about our Founders, none of them were Mormons, they were later baptized and became members by proxy.
Just like the "whore" of the earth is "all that do wickedly", doesn't it stand to reason God will have mercy on "all that are good" and have their name written in the "book of Life"?
There will be people from all tribes here during the Millennium.

Dan 12:1 says:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. This includes all children who died before the age of accountability as well.

Third Nephi has a great example of this:
3 Nephi 10:12,13
12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared—
13 And they were spared and were not sunk and buried up in the earth; and they were not drowned in the depths of the sea; and they were not burned by fire, neither were they fallen upon and crushed to death; and they were not carried away in the whirlwind; neither were they overpowered by the vapor of smoke and of darkness.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 6:44 pm
by NoGreaterLove
good post freedom
Christ knows his sheep and they are numbered and their names are written in the book of life. He knew this according to the foreknowledge of God. All of his sheep are members of His church in the end. Thank goodness He is the one who judges who they are and does not burn them.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:10 pm
by freedomforall
NoGreaterLove wrote:good post freedom
Christ knows his sheep and they are numbered and their names are written in the book of life. He knew this according to the foreknowledge of God. All of his sheep are members of His church in the end. Thank goodness He is the one who judges who they are and does not burn them.


Amen!

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:21 pm
by bobhenstra
Is Christ going to use the wicked to "rule" the world, or "cleanse" the world? I won't be spending any time in fema camps, I'm prepared!

Bob

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:31 pm
by Wiikwajio
bobhenstra wrote:Is Christ going to use the wicked to "rule" the world, or "cleanse" the world? I won't be spending any time in fema camps, I'm prepared!

Bob

You know that is really nice to say but... If the Cops come in tonight with a SWAT team and arrest you and you are awaiting trial for owning and unregistered piece of farm equipment or an unlicensed tomato plant etc. then you WILL be placed in a FEMA camp if that is where they want to put you.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 7:32 pm
by Wiikwajio
freedomfighter wrote:
NoGreaterLove wrote:good post freedom
Christ knows his sheep and they are numbered and their names are written in the book of life. He knew this according to the foreknowledge of God. All of his sheep are members of His church in the end. Thank goodness He is the one who judges who they are and does not burn them.
Amen!
RIGHT. The Lord did not burn Abinidi. Noah did. And we don't have to worry that there are any wicked men like Noah in today's Cops and government. RIGHT? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 8:00 pm
by BroJones
bobhenstra wrote:Is Christ going to use the wicked to ... "cleanse" the world?

Bob
The answer is a resounding Yes! -- as explained in Revelation 17-19 in particular, for the last days. The red Beast turns on the whore Babylon -- and you might recall who wins that struggle...

GeeR:
"Predictably, I heard from a sizeable number of readers who expressed concern about my "credibility." Some were more direct: descriptions such as "conspiracy nut," "lunatic," "fringe," etc., popped up quite often. Several readers dismissed the entire proposition on the basis that, apparently, the link I provided to a photo of one such camp that was reported in the Idaho Observer as a FEMA camp was actually constructed in another country. Which, if true, changes nothing, of course. Others pointed to a very shallow "exposé" published in Popular Mechanics that attempted (lamely) to debunk the whole notion of internment camps. (This was the same source Glenn Beck used to dismiss the idea.) See the report here.

Criticism and name-calling aside, after reading the responses from hundreds of readers (and examining the evidence they submitted), I am more convinced than ever that our federal government is, indeed, constructing large numbers of internment camps. And as one might expect, I heard from a large number of military and law enforcement personnel, which made the evidence even more compelling.
I have a great deal of respect for Chuck Baldwin and I have talked to him personally about 9/11 research (though briefly).

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 8:41 pm
by BroJones
This documentary shows photographs of the large tunnels under the Denver airport and makes the case that these are for internment, along with discussion of the murals there.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2068608/d ... ry_part_2/

NGL -- how about a trip to Denver? anyone?

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 8:52 pm
by freedomforall
I was just wondering. There is talk of getting out of Dodge before bad things pop.

Three questions:
1. Just where would one go to avoid the destruction that awaits the wicked? They, the wicked, are all over the place.

2. Aren't all the Temples here to remain throughout the Millennual reign? I understand there will be lots of Temple work ahead.

3. Why would God have all these Temples built just to destroy them? He says the Saints will barely escape, maybe they will be in the Temples.

I would think that if anyone was that concerned they would move to Missouri close to Adam-ondi-Ahman. Why move twice?

Just a thought!

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 9:02 pm
by bobhenstra
DrJones wrote:This documentary shows photographs of the large tunnels under the Denver airport and makes the case that these are for internment, along with discussion of the murals there.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2068608/d ... ry_part_2/


NGL -- how about a trip to Denver? anyone?
C'mon Steve, the queen of England?? Pretty nice cave, meant for royalty? The secret's out---

Heres the real scoop!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4513385/c ... e_trailer/

There's gonna be a new world order, with Christ our King-- after the cleansing!

Bob

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 9:11 pm
by BroJones
bobhenstra wrote:
DrJones wrote:This documentary shows photographs of the large tunnels under the Denver airport and makes the case that these are for internment, along with discussion of the murals there.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2068608/d ... ry_part_2/


NGL -- how about a trip to Denver? anyone?
C'mon Steve, the queen of England?? Pretty nice cave, meant for royalty? The secret's out---
I don't know what you're talking about Bob -- the documentary does not say the "cave" was meant for "the queen of England". It does suggest she bought property near Denver under an alias. Big difference.

I admit the documentary could use better documentation, but I think you've misunderstood the meaning of it.

Look, I'm not an expert on "internment camps" for US civilians in the event of martial law -- I wish I had more of Chuck Baldwin's research.
I DO think that this group could do some meaningful research in this area -- just finding ONE such camp with photos would be worthwhile. IMO.

Note: Mocking doesn't have much effect on me at this stage of my life, but as Lehi's dream shows, it is used by the prideful -- and was warned AGAINST by Pres. Packer in his oft-quoted BYU devotional of January 2007. "Not all mocking comes from outside the Church", he said pointedly.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 9:14 pm
by bobhenstra
DrJones wrote: A sister I used to home teach went with a few other sisters to a site in Goshen, Utah, which she had heard might be the start of a FEMA camp. She found approx. 12-foot high fences with barbed-wire at the top, pointing IN. She and friends stopped at the site and started looking around when a truck drove up and the fellow demanded they leave. One of the sisters pretended to be vomiting and gave that as the reason they had stopped... They were allowed to leave without further harassment. I could try to get coordinates if anyone is interested in checking this one out.
The fence the sisters saw was surrounding the new natural gas pumping plant about 5 miles West of Goshen, on the other side of Elberta Utah. The gas pipeline went past my home, about 1/4 of a mile away. The gas company had a guard there protecting the equipment while the pipeline was being laid---- about 6 feet under.

Are we a prepared people? Or Not!

Bob

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 9:19 pm
by BroJones
bobhenstra wrote:
DrJones wrote: A sister I used to home teach went with a few other sisters to a site in Goshen, Utah, which she had heard might be the start of a FEMA camp. She found approx. 12-foot high fences with barbed-wire at the top, pointing IN. She and friends stopped at the site and started looking around when a truck drove up and the fellow demanded they leave. One of the sisters pretended to be vomiting and gave that as the reason they had stopped... They were allowed to leave without further harassment. I could try to get coordinates if anyone is interested in checking this one out.
The fence the sisters saw was surrounding the new natural gas pumping plant about 5 miles West of Goshen, on the other side of Elberta Utah. The gas pipeline went past my home, about 1/4 of a mile away. The gas company had a guard there protecting the equipment while the pipeline was being laid---- about 6 feet under.

Are we a prepared people? Or Not!

Bob
Sister Barrett reported that the barbed-wire at the top of the fence was pointing INWARD, evidently to keep people IN (not out). Did they do this at the pumping station you refer to? (If so, why?)
If not, this is not the area that the Sisters found near Goshen.

From Baldwin's article, searching a bit, I found this video:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

About the 1:20 mark, you see that the barbed wire points INWARD at this old train station in Indiana (if I recall the state correctly). This documentary is fairly well done IMO.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 9:32 pm
by GeeR
Dr. Jones very interesting video concerning the Denver airport. When I saw it I linked it to another story concerning the Denver airport I read about yesterday. What's going on here?

And Now: 26-Foot Tall Statue of Anubis, the Egyptian God of the Dead, Installed at Denver International Airport

June 4th, 2010

Denver Airport Murals

Denver Airport Underground

Via: 9News:

Ever since it was first installed at Denver International Airport, the 32-foot-tall blue “Mustang” has been the talk of the town, but a new addition is sure to get plenty of attention.

A crew is installing a seven-ton, 26-foot-tall concrete sculpture of an Egyptian god at the airport.
Anubis, a statue with a jackal-head, will be built south of the Jeppesen Terminal.

Although part of the lore of the 9,000-pound “Mustang” is that its creator, Luis Jiménez, was tragically killed while making the piece, Anubis may be even more notorious. He’s the Egyptian god of death and the afterlife.

It’s being put in to preview the Denver Art Museum’s King Tut exhibit.

The exhibit runs June 29 through Jan. 9, 2011, and Anubis will be standing guard during that time.

http://cryptogon.com/?paged=2

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 9:43 pm
by 2BFree

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 10:19 pm
by bobhenstra
I live here, I hunt arrowheads between Elberta and Eureka all the time, especially good hunting after rain storms. The Church has three very large farms and large grain storage silos just six miles from my home. Besides the gas pumping plant, the only other semi large fence is surrounding a skeet shooting facility just West of Elberta on the other side of the road from the gas pumping plant. I haven't seen anybody there for a couple of years now, I think it's closed. The sisters probably wouldn't have seen it, its well off the main road, and located near one of the Church hay farms, the skeet shooting facility is accessible only by a dirt road, the church farms by paved roads. There's also a group of people who train hunting dogs in that area. A Utah County Sheriff's Deputy who lives on the North side of Genola is part of that group, my number three son had a riff with him and his group about 10 years ago while hunting rabbits, caused quite a large investigation.

I don't remember the way the barbed wire was turned on the pumping plant, I'll have to take a ride out there and see.

Honestly, I can't help but wonder if the ptb's are spreading this stuff around to get people all riled up over nothing!

If we are prepared we need not fear!

Bob

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 6th, 2010, 10:40 pm
by Mark
Honestly, I can't help but wonder if the ptb's are spreading this stuff around to get people all riled up over nothing!

My thoughts exactly Bob. Those who seek for power and control over their brethren are not stupid. They will use every diversionary tactic in the book to get people chasing their tails in 20 different directions. These evil and conspiring men are master manipulators. They are inspired by a very clever tactition. We can't just accept every conspiracy theory that comes along just because they reinforce our own feelings about world govt. Some of these theories are just outright bunk. Some have validity. We need to be very skeptical and discerning as to which ones hold any water. Red herrings are strewn all along the path to the truth. Only the Spirit and some good old fashioned common sense can help us find the real truths we seek.

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 7th, 2010, 12:48 am
by bobhenstra
DrJones wrote:
bobhenstra wrote:
DrJones wrote:This documentary shows photographs of the large tunnels under the Denver airport and makes the case that these are for internment, along with discussion of the murals there.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2068608/d ... ry_part_2/


NGL -- how about a trip to Denver? anyone?
C'mon Steve, the queen of England?? Pretty nice cave, meant for royalty? The secret's out---
I don't know what you're talking about Bob -- the documentary does not say the "cave" was meant for "the queen of England". It does suggest she bought property near Denver under an alias. Big difference.

I admit the documentary could use better documentation, but I think you've misunderstood the meaning of it.

Look, I'm not an expert on "internment camps" for US civilians in the event of martial law -- I wish I had more of Chuck Baldwin's research.
I DO think that this group could do some meaningful research in this area -- just finding ONE such camp with photos would be worthwhile. IMO.

Note: Mocking doesn't have much effect on me at this stage of my life, but as Lehi's dream shows, it is used by the prideful -- and was warned AGAINST by Pres. Packer in his oft-quoted BYU devotional of January 2007. "Not all mocking comes from outside the Church", he said pointedly.
Steve, sorry it read like mocking, I was merely attempting to lighten the subject.

I have spent a lot of time in the deserts of Utah, the only two compounds that come anywhere close to what you and Baldwin are describing are very close together, are usually counted as the same place, and can easily be seen on Google Earth, they are the Dugway Proving Grounds and the USAF bombing range. And both have been there many years.

Going up the Eureka slant there is a fenced area on the left that belongs to the Sunshine Mining company, it covers about five acres and was used to store mining equipment. Can't remember if there was any barbed wire on it at all, will check when I check the gas pumping station. Other than those three places, there are no fenced in areas West of Goshen that fit the description.

The mining claim lands, except for a very poor dirt road that goes to private property into and through Dog Valley, extend from just West of Eureka, over the mountain to Eureka and beyond West and South. The private property that's in Dog valley belongs to my neighbor down the street, and the only fences there are barbed wire fences in a sorry state, area boy scouts camp there a lot. There's a lot of silver in the stream there, but its chemically bound with manganese and can't be separated from it, at least nobody has figured how to do it yet. My idea of using controlled lightning to create a 5000 degree plasma would separate it. The silver/manganese compound is worthless---at the moment.

There is talk about re-opening the Mammoth mine, thars gold in that there hole-- but that kind of talk goes on all the time here. There's a mine just South of Eureka that has about two acres fenced in. An old miner who I knew took me over there and showed me an ore vein, he knew he was dying and wanted somebody else to know about the vein. But its on a mining claimed by a large mining company. Actually he showed me two ore veins, but both already claimed. He claimed that besides him, I'm the only human alive who knows where they are. The thought of high grading the ore crossed my mind, but that would be stealing.

I have another neighbor who owns 2000 acres, I'm his home teacher. His land is fenced with barbed wire and wouldn't qualify. I've shot a lot of deer over there. His land has gold on it, but not in high enough amounts to interest mining companies.

There are no Fema camps in this area, unless you want to count the hundreds of miles of mining tunnels under Eureka, and please, don't take that as mocking! I have a feeling that when the earthquake I dreamed about hits, Eureka will disappear into a very large hole.

Bob

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 7th, 2010, 5:23 am
by BroJones
Interesting commentary, Bob, thanks.

You noted:
Going up the Eureka slant there is a fenced area on the left that belongs to the Sunshine Mining company, it covers about five acres and was used to store mining equipment. Can't remember if there was any barbed wire on it at all, will check when I check the gas pumping station. Other than those three places, there are no fenced in areas West of Goshen that fit the description.
Yes, please let us know what you find about the direction of the barbed-wire. For an example of barbed-wire facing INWARDS, to re-iterate:


From Baldwin's article, searching a bit, I found this video:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

About the 1:20 mark, you see that the barbed wire points INWARD at this old train station in Indiana (if I recall the state correctly). This documentary is fairly well done IMO.

Sister Barrett reported that the barbed-wire at the top of the fence was pointing INWARD, evidently to keep people IN (not out). Did they do this at the pumping station you refer to? (If so, why?)
If not, this is not the area that the Sisters found near Goshen.
Bob, Mark, others -- what do you think of this documentary? http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

Thanks for the note about the strange statue at the Denver airport, GeeR. I think the murals inside are strange, too!

Re: How to "get out" without sending up "red flags"...?

Posted: June 7th, 2010, 7:17 am
by Henmasher
freedomfighter wrote:
Henmasher wrote:
show me YOUR Political Religion of the Nation so that I can see how you followed the teachings of the Prophets on this subject of Political Religion.
Here is my political religion as the prophets have spoken of. The Constitution of the United States and abiding by it to the best of my ability. There will only be one church. The church of Jesus Christ. Any others are the whore of the earth. 1 Nephi 14:10
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
Question: if the LDS church has a monopoly on being the only one not burned, (and this is debatable), then what about all the other people of the earth that, although they don't have the fulness of the gospel, are striving to the best of their ability and knowledge to be saved.? Will they be left out?Thats a basic doctrine, all will be given the chance to accept. We are judged by our hearts and our knowledge. If we have an understanding of right and wrong and choose wrong than we are accountable.
What about our Founders, none of them were Mormons, they were later baptized and became members by proxy.1830 was a pretty specific date. I remember hearing something that was those that die without law will be judged without law. THe founding fathers could have never been members since the Gospel was restored after they have lived :roll: They obviously accepted the Gospel in the spirit world and qualified to have their work performed vicariously
Just like the "whore" of the earth is "all that do wickedly", doesn't it stand to reason God will have mercy on "all that are good" and have their name written in the "book of Life"?
There will be people from all tribes here during the Millennium.

Dan 12:1 says:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. This includes all children who died before the age of accountability as well.

Third Nephi has a great example of this:
3 Nephi 10:12,13
12 And it was the more righteous part of the people who were saved, and it was they who received the prophets and stoned them not; and it was they who had not shed the blood of the saints, who were spared—
13 And they were spared and were not sunk and buried up in the earth; and they were not drowned in the depths of the sea; and they were not burned by fire, neither were they fallen upon and crushed to death; and they were not carried away in the whirlwind; neither were they overpowered by the vapor of smoke and of darkness.
The scripture and comments posted were the result of a false church that was organized and than dissolved into something else. There are good people are not privy to the Gospel as we are and they will have an opportunity. My problem was with those that know the truth and attempt to skirt the slippery slope. You start an organization and call it a church....well than you have membership in that church, not the church of Jesus Christ.