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DrJones wrote:H-habenero ;-- I read your past posts, but again can't find a straight answer from you about what YOU think regarding the existence of FEMA camps or equivalent for dissidents in the event of martial law -- although I think you said basically "yes", they probably exist but we can't hide... Right?

holyhabanero wrote:

DrJones wrote:H-habenero ;-- I read your past posts, but again can't find a straight answer from you about what YOU think regarding the existence of FEMA camps or equivalent for dissidents in the event of martial law -- although I think you said basically "yes", they probably exist but we can't hide... Right?

Sorry I didn't respond to your question as you didn't list me in those you addressed your question to, but we are in agreement; I know there are FEMA camps or at the very least locations that can quickly be converted to such. Our government has used similar camps in the past in times of war and unrest, so it would be folly to think that they won't do it again in the future.

But the threat of said camps is not great enough to make me consider leaving my family and community of saints, sneaking out in the middle of the night and giving it a go alone in the wilderness. (That's what we're debating here right?) All the things I've heard and read indicate to me that there is safety in numbers, and the Stakes of Zion were set up as a defense, and I dare not withdraw myself from them.

Mark wrote:

Col. Flagg wrote:

Mark wrote:I'm happy to answer any questions here. The only thing I fear farfromhome is cheese and mayo sandwiches. Even when faced with that prospect I don't clam up; I throw up.

Perhaps I can answer Docs question with a past observation. I remember back in the early 90's a group of constitutionally minded folks who closely followed Skousens works felt that the Clintons were going to put the finishing touches on the republic. They saw martial law right around the corner and decided to form a like minded community around the Duck Creek area in southern Utah. They wanted to set up a community that followed constitutional govt. regardless of what the Feds did to the country. Some sold their homes and moved south into mobile homes and trailers to be prepared for this SHTF scenerio. Well things didn't come apart as quickly as they thought and financial concerns and economic hardship caught up with many and they eventually gave up on the idea of establishing this alternative place of safety.

Now I am sure their intentions were good but they were driven mainly by fear of martial law and such and they made some decisions that created more problems than they solved by uprooting from jobs and lives to gather in out of the way places.

I believe Mosby said pretty well what I feel in response to escaping babylon. The Lord will direct his prophet if there are places of safety that need to be established for the Saints. Heck I know many of the Roger K Young people who have been waiting for the last few years for the semi's to come pick up their years supply of food and transport it to some girls camp in the mountains where they will go with their luxury tents and foam clothing to live in peace and safety while the rest of society comes apart at the seems. Some have probably already laid claims to their spots in certain girls camps that they have scouted out.

Now I don't mean to be a smart guy here but I see many people driven by fear of the govt and they at times make rash decisions based on those fears. There may come a time when the Lord wants his righteous Saints to separate from the rest of society. When that time comes I feel certain it will be directed by the Lords annointed servants thru proper Priesthood channels. Until that time I plan to continue laboring in this lone and dreary wilderness trying my best to assist in building the Kingdom and fulfilling my responsibilities to my Brethren who may struggle with the worlds wicked ways. I can't be a light to any of them if I hide in the dark.

Amen Mark... I totally concur.

I'm glad to see you are still able to type my friend. I figured Natasha might have spiked your cranberry juice sippy cup by now causing paralysis of the fingers and various other body parts. I'd hate to start calling you Col Litvinenko.

I say isloation is certainly not the answer

I know there are FEMA camps or at the very least locations that can quickly be converted to such.

NoGreaterLove wrote:

I know there are FEMA camps or at the very least locations that can quickly be converted to such.

someone show where the fema camp is in Utah and I will drive there and take pictures of it and post it here. I read these horror stories of FEMA camps all the time, how someones brother helped build one, etc, etc..
Easy enough to prove. Tell me where to drive in Utah and I will go their and take pictures. Lets put it to rest once and for all.

Mindfully.org note:

It may be easy to find fault with the premise of this article. You may even know of numerous sites that are not used as camps. But the plain fact remains that the USA maintains illegal prisons around the world. It remains a secret only to imbeciles in the US. The rest of the world knows for certain that it's quite real.

The way things are going in the US, it's not a matter of if, but when these underused facilities come online to serve the master — otherwise known as Moloch. Most likely, not many Japanese in the US doubt the premise of this article. And for Jews in Europe during the Holocaust, the article must hit a hard note.

So, what makes you think it can't happen here?

The executive orders below are quite real.

UTAH
Millard County - Central Utah - WWII Japanese camp. (Renovated?)
Ft. Douglas - This "inactive" military reservation has a renovated WWII concentration camp.
Migratory Bird Refuge - West of Brigham City - contains a WWII internment camp that was built before the game preserve was established.
Cedar City - east of city - no data available. Wendover - WWII internment camp may be renovated.
Skull Valley - southwestern Camp William property - east of the old bombing range. Camp was accidentally discovered by a man and his son who were rabbit hunting; they were discovered and apprehended. SW of Tooele.

Col. Flagg wrote: IMHO, just because certain areas may be prone to major earthquake damage, floods, etc. when the calamities begin in earnest, doesn’t mean we should be seeking to move our families to areas that are more safe from these disasters. If a 7.5 earthquake struck tomorrow here along the Wasatch Front, I’m not going to lose any sleep over having not moved my family somewhere safer from the devastation of a potential earthquake.

Likewise, what if I were to do that, but nothing happens for another 20 years? I would have seriously disrupted our lives and caused undue financial strain on my family out of fear of a natural disaster. I think each Father/head of household has their own stewardship and needs to do what he/she sees fit after much prayer and contemplation. I can’t fault Dr. Jones for moving he and Leslie down to Sanpete County… that is what they both thought was in their best interest and they were prayerful about it and thus, made the change. At the same time, I don’t find fault with anyone who wishes to keep their family put, no matter how much of a danger they might be in from mother nature or man where they are located.

Nan wrote:The problem I see with people preparing for tent cities or bugging out is this. They are only preparing for one possible scenario that could happen. They are not prepared for other things that could happen. The danger I see is that if things don't happen the way they think they will they could 1)not be prepared for what really happens, 2) lose faith because of things not happening the way they think they are going to and 3)they aren't living a full life now. They are so focused on this one possibility that they are forgetting to enjoy the moment. To be grateful for what we have now. And there is a lot of judging of others that they deem aren't "Awake". Am I choosing to be prepared as the Lord has told us to? Yes, spiritually, physically and emotionally prepared. But I am not going to live in fear. I don't find it fun or exciting.(some people do) I am going to enjoy today instead of spending the day worried about what "might" happen tomorrow. I will trust in the Lord. And I will trust the Lord to inspire others how to prepare for what is going to happen in their lives.
I too have seen many people lose the faith who thought they should bug out and then things didn't happen like they thought they would. People who went to extremes church wise and politically.

Nan wrote: People who went to extremes church wise and politically.

DrJones wrote:RE: internment camps -- none of us can doubt the camps/holocaust in Germany, nor the internment of Japanese in the USA.

I do think we could have an adventure and do a service. Just finding out whether OR NOT any of the old WWII internment camps have been renovated would be useful evidence, one way or the other.

Nan wrote:The problem I see with people preparing for tent cities or bugging out is this. They are only preparing for one possible scenario that could happen. They are not prepared for other things that could happen. The danger I see is that if things don't happen the way they think they will they could 1)not be prepared for what really happens, 2) lose faith because of things not happening the way they think they are going to and 3)they aren't living a full life now. They are so focused on this one possibility that they are forgetting to enjoy the moment... And there is a lot of judging of others .

Skull Valley - southwestern Camp William property - east of the old bombing range. Camp was accidentally discovered by a man and his son who were rabbit hunting; they were discovered and apprehended. SW of Tooel

NoGreaterLove wrote:Bob
Thanks for the reply. I was about to go to this one

Skull Valley - southwestern Camp William property - east of the old bombing range. Camp was accidentally discovered by a man and his son who were rabbit hunting; they were discovered and apprehended. SW of Tooel

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But I would not know where to begin. I have been in that area and work out that way in the middle of the desert. I have not seen a thing.

That is the problem with this fema thing. A lot of unsubstantiated rumors. Someone sees an old camp in the desert that has not been used for years and all of the sudden it becomes part of the 800 fema camps located in the U.S. to imprison the citizens who do not want to follow the current administration.

Those sites you mentioned are just what you say they are, but the one in Tooele, I was curious about because I can not substantiate where or what it is. So as soon as someone can give me some real coordinates and not send me on some wild goose chase in the middle of the desert, I will go out and takes some photos. Otherwise, I think it is a bunch of malarkey.

GeeR wrote:Let's see the FEMA camps are secret and the government wants them to remain secret and someone on this board has volunteered to find one and take pictures of it. Assuming you get close enough to one to take pictures, do you really think the government will allow you to waltz in and waltz out to inform the media or members of this fourm? Get real! You are asking--no begging to not be heard of again. Think about it, please.

bobhenstra wrote:

NoGreaterLove wrote:Bob
Thanks for the reply. I was about to go to this one
Welcome to the forum, GeeR.

Bob:
The "only" place out there that "might" be called a FEMA camp would be the USAF bombing range, surrounded by a high fence and constant patrols. One of the sad events for we rock hounders, inside that fence is one of the richest geode beds in the world, Gorgeous rocks when sliced with a diamond saw and polished, but now their off limits. A geode is a form of agate, or type of chalcedony. My Uncle and I managed to get several pickup loads off the beds before the fence was erected. He made some good extra coins cutting and polishing the geodes, and selling them with ads in different rock Hounders magazines.

The Army has a small chemical weapons testing area Southwest of Johnsons Pass, caused some noise many years ago when a bunch of sheep died. But even there I have my doubts, just not big enough!

The bombing range would be the best bet for FEMA addicts!

Bob

Get real! You are asking--no begging to not be heard of again. Think about it, please.

NoGreaterLove wrote:Bob
Thanks for the reply. I was about to go to this one

Skull Valley - southwestern Camp William property - east of the old bombing range. Camp was accidentally discovered by a man and his son who were rabbit hunting; they were discovered and apprehended. SW of Tooel

e.

But I would not know where to begin. I have been in that area and work out that way in the middle of the desert. I have not seen a thing.

That is the problem with this fema thing. A lot of unsubstantiated rumors. Someone sees an old camp in the desert that has not been used for years and all of the sudden it becomes part of the 800 fema camps located in the U.S. to imprison the citizens who do not want to follow the current administration.

Those sites you mentioned are just what you say they are, but the one in Tooele, I was curious about because I can not substantiate where or what it is. So as soon as someone can give me some real coordinates and not send me on some wild goose chase in the middle of the desert, I will go out and takes some photos. Otherwise, I think it is a bunch of malarkey.

May. 3 2010 - 4:25 pm | 8,529 views | 0 recommendations | 7 comments
On the persistant rumors of FEMA camps
By MATTHEW FLEISCHER
Birkenau Concentration Camp

Image by soylentgreen23 via Flickr

A strange thing happened to a friend of mine the other day. She was at work when she noticed a coworker looking rather sullen in the corner of the office. She went to ask what was wrong, when suddenly her coworker broke into fits of wailing and sobbing. The woman’s shoulders convulsed with such force as she cried, that my friend assumed there must have been a death in the family, or that someone close to her was sick or dying. My friend immediately tried to comfort her and ask what was wrong.

This is what she was told:

FEMA was building camps to round up and annihilate Christians. The roundup would start soon, but it would move slowly and quietly. Whole families would disappear and not be heard from again, but it would be made to look like they simply moved out of town. Christian children, her children, would be gassed and put into plastic coffins. Two of the woman’s friends had already moved out of the country. Others were following soon. She intended to join them as soon as she could save up enough money. But finances were tight and it might be too late.

What made this incident especially strange for my friend was that her coworker was not unintelligent or incompetent. She spoke three languages, was good at her job, and had managed to raise three children, by herself, at a relatively young age. The whole FEMA camp thing is pretty 2008, yet the woman’s fear was so palpable that she still called me to double-check.

Putting aside the obvious questions about why the government, composed of Christians, run by Christians, largely for the benefit of Christians, would round up 90 percent of the country and put them into camps, the online FEMA camp rumors were debunked ages ago, most thoroughly by Popular Mechanics – who then sent their editor-in-chief on Glenn Beck’s show twice to set the paranoiacs straight. One of the supposed U.S. government concentration camps is actually a North Korean prison camp. The other is a train yard in the Midwest somewhere, while the third is a National Guard base in Michigan. This information isn’t hard to look up. The Popular Mechanics piece is among the first things to pop up when you search for FEMA camps. Yet the rumors and paranoia still persist.

As soon as my friend told me this story, I had to know how much FEMA-fear was still out there. I posed the question on the social networking site Reddit, which is known for having a fairly sophisticated readership, and received more paranoia in reply than I would have expected.

“There is a lot of info on the net about this. Believe it or not at your own risk. The camps appear to be real. The powers of the government under an emergency are infinite. This is a very scary situation. You can do research about it on the net if you are interested in it. It seems that all of the crazy people aren’t so crazy after all. A lot of it is about information control, money, land, fear, sheeple control, etc.” “While improbable that such an event will occur, it’s not beyond possibility.”

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.”

In this time in our nation’s history, a conspiratorial mindset is certainly not unreasonable — even justifiable. But what possible rationale would the government have for putting people in camps — aside from the state of Arizona, which I’m sure wouldn’t mind hauling in all of Mexico if it were possible — there’s absolutely no incentive.

We have completely legal institutionalized bribery in the form of the campaign finance system. Corporations pay off politicians to do their bidding and then give them jobs in the private sector when they retire from government. The government takes our money, hands it to the financial industry and goes a year without even addressing the prospect of any significant regulatory changes.When they finally bring Goldman Sachs up on charges, civil, mind you, not criminal, half the country is cheering for Goldman.

The government can rob the country blind, shift the nation’s wealth to the elite, while cashing in themselves, and no one does a thing about it. Why would anyone corrupt enough to benefit from that system want to screw it up by building concentration camps and drawing international scrutiny? It makes no sense.

This is all obvious, of course. But it has to make one wonder how can there still be people shuddering in fear of FEMA camps when the conspiratorial reality is so banal and right under their noses?