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A co-worker asked me if I have a feeling that something is coming. I told him that it seems to be like cows, that are nervous and jittery. They know something is coming, but cannot pinpoint the direction yet, but once they do, they will stampede. I was just wondering if anyone else felt this way, or if it was just our region. Does anyone have any opinions on what the "event" will be, if there is such an event coming? (P.S. feels like to us in our region that it is coming soon.)

Depends on what your "region" is.

Upcoming or existing events;
All false flags are being waved at once.
Gulf oil Spill.
Foreign forces invasion.
Bankrupt cities, states, fed.
40 million on food stamps.
50% real unemployment and 99-week unemployment cheques.
Overrun by illegal aliens.
The currency drops in value.
The stock market takes another planned very low drop.
Wars and rumors of wars going on constantly.
We are at war and there is a world-wide Depression.
Less folks are joining the church and more are leaving it (at least in Amerika).
Glenn Beck believes in 9/11 and FEMA camps.
The POTUS declares Martial Law.
The subsidized food and money will stop soon for lack of funds to all who are on the dole. Then stuff hits the fans.

Thanks Robert, may I ask you another question? So is the first wo spoken of by John in Rev, manmade? Are all these current disasters leading to the major breakdown of society? Or, is it a natural disaster sent by God to awaken His children? As my friend and I were talking, we believed that our current location of No. Utah would band together for the most part to help one another as long as...... there was a time table as to when the power or "normal living" would return. I think that with an open ended disaster it would only take a matter of hours for all order to break down like with Katrina. Any thoughts?

Book of Ruth wrote:Thanks Robert, may I ask you another question? So is the first wo spoken of by John in Rev, manmade? Are all these current disasters leading to the major breakdown of society? Or, is it a natural disaster sent by God to awaken His children?

We live in a time when mankind has turned from God and placed our trust in the governments of the world. The governments of the world are represented by the multi-faceted "beast" of Rev 13, 17. That beast is referred to as the anti-Christ, the false Christ or savior. Men expect governments to solve all problems and take/place all blame. These governments are the sole providers of our wealth (money), our security, our unity, and authority. We thank them for these blessings, not God.
We are now beginning to witness the failure of the beast to fulfill it's self-defined role among men. This failure is man made, Satan's 'man made' kingdoms are designed to fail because they are not grounded in Christ. This commencement of failure is what is meant by the "trumpets" and woes of Rev 8. The symbols of stars, grass, trees, mountains, sea, rivers, beasts, sun, moon, and creatures are representations of men on earth. Throughout scripture the Lord uses creation metaphors (plants, creatures, etc) to represent men. Revelations follows the same pattern. I suggest to expect the fulfillment of prophecy to be largely the natural evolution of societal disintegration. We will need to hold to our faith to live through these 'natural' times. Supernatural events require less faith. IMO

Yes.

On May 2nd I felt that. A day of some of the most powerful spiritual experiences of my life. A string of events where the Lord made known to me that the life of my family...and of the nation would soon change. How soon...I don't know. I have had feelings of "better get your act together" before...but this was different. A lingering deep impression that would not leave me.

Still...I will plant cherry tree's.

Stephen wrote:Yes.

On May 2nd I felt that. A day of some of the most powerful spiritual experiences of my life. A string of events where the Lord made known to me that the life of my family...and of the nation would soon change. How soon...I don't know. I have had feelings of "better get your act together" before...but this was different. A lingering deep impression that would not leave me.

Still...I will plant cherry tree's.

Stephen I just check out your blog spot. I love it! Thank you !!

Don"t we all just wish we could put a date on it. When is the economy going to completely tank? When are the stores going to be empty? When is everything going to cut loose all at once?
We have been talking about this for years, preparing spiritually and physically. Waiting for the day, knowing it is coming, making guesses, predictions, setting dates.
Well, look at it now. It is happening before our eyes. It is almost upon us in full swing. Just a very short time now and life as we know it is going to change.
Are we keeping the commandments? Are we entering the temple unworthily? Do we hold family home evening each week? Do we cuss? Do we help our fellow men? When is the last time we went hometeaching? Do we partake of the sacrament each week so we may be washed clean and stand blameless before God if we were called home now? Have we listened to the Prophet and followed his counsel concerning temporal and spiritual matters or have we spent our days rationalizing away his counsel, condemning him for his imperfections and becoming a God unto ourselves.

It is upon us, the wood is dry and the flicker in the fire pit is becoming a flame. Soon it will bust out in a roaring fire and Satan's hosts will be bundled.

So my next question is, are we feeding this feeling of dread within ourselves, or is this a real global change? History has shown many different cycles of depression and excesses. How is this different? If you are say, 90 years old and have lived through many different cycles, is this one truly different? Or, because many of us have never lived through a depressive cycle does this just feel new?

Still...I will plant cherry tree's

I hope everyone is still planting their cherry trees and every other form of food producing plant. We are going to need them.
Working on our garden this weekend.

I believe that all of the "wo"s found in the scriptures are brought on by mankind, through negligence and disobedience to eternal laws and not by following eternal principles.

Simple fix - Global Repentance (tm). Act Locally, Repent Globally.

This is a good thread. Thank you everyone for participating.

I have felt a sense of urgency about getting prepared for some time. While reading the scriptures I have had the word "FAMINE" jump out at me. I have no idea of the "when". but I don't think it is too far away.

If you want to read a good book about how a number of crises can happen at once, read "Ere His Floods of Anger Flow," by John Harmer. It is fiction and a very good read.


Believer

No, nothing will change sadly. Human history will simply continue to repeat itself.

pritchet1 wrote:Depends on what your "region" is.

Upcoming or existing events: . . . . . . .
Glenn Beck believes in 9/11 and FEMA camps.
. . . . . .

Pritchet, I like your sense of humor! But I think you can scratch this one as 'impending'.

pritchet1 wrote:Glenn Beck believes in 9/11 and FEMA camps.

Woah, that's an upcoming event, right? Mr. Beck hasn't yet apologized to 9/11 Truthers for equating them with terrorists yet, has he?

larsenb wrote:

pritchet1 wrote:Depends on what your "region" is.

Upcoming or existing events: . . . . . . .
Glenn Beck believes in 9/11 and FEMA camps.
. . . . . .

Pritchet, I like your sense of humor! But I think you can scratch this one as 'impending'.

Ok, there ya go.

This is a really good topic. I have had these "nagging" feelings for some time. They feel more and more urgent as the time is passing. But, as I ask I'm being given the direction I need to go to prepare for this...stuff that is coming. Do I sink my saving and finish food storage? Do I divide and conquer with available funds? I have found it incredibly hard to move forward after my wife died. So now I try to do this myself, trying to keep myself and employees fed and housed, etc. etc. etc.

There are times when I wish the date and time would just be scrawled in the heavens in neon lights with a bid arrow pointing to it ! So many things still undone and not enough time to do them all. How do you prioritize when everything has a similar weight?

Just thank God for one more day for us to work out our salvation and go from there. The perfect ones go home early. The rest of us have to wait our turn.

Yes I have been feeling this "drastic change" coming (since late in 2008), but things still are sputtering along with our daily lives. Yes, many of us need jobs, many of us have lost money and assets and are struggling along financially. But overall we still have and live with luxury and abundance as a nation/people, even with the current evil and difficult situations, we still have much.

The nation and people are not repenting much. Without true repentance, we are setting ourselves up for destruction by the Lord. Either we repent or the wicked are swept off. The current tribulations and evils are a warning; much greater ones are coming, I believe. You can tell the hearts of a people by how they respond to tribulations and evil. Pride or humility, arrogance or repentance, deciet or truth.

timeframes? Who knows but the Lord himself. IMHO We will witness some miraculous and terrible things in the near future methinks. The country is getting ripe and needs the Lord to humble and/or wipe the wicked off, as he has promised he would do. The Book of Mormon gets more obvious as the months go by. It is a warning for our day.

I and my wife have both recieved some inspiration in the past four months specifically to help warn/prepare us of some impending change adversity. This has helped us get more prepared temporally for what may come.

bathsheeba wrote:

Stephen wrote:Yes.

On May 2nd I felt that. A day of some of the most powerful spiritual experiences of my life. A string of events where the Lord made known to me that the life of my family...and of the nation would soon change. How soon...I don't know. I have had feelings of "better get your act together" before...but this was different. A lingering deep impression that would not leave me.

Still...I will plant cherry tree's.

Stephen I just check out your blog spot. I love it! Thank you !!

Thank you...

yes.

I believe the Lord 'allows' evil to run its course. We are tested in our ability to stand or to fall when wickedness becomes a runaway force in a society. He could stop it, of course.

I think when the Lord begins - through the physical elements & structure of the earth - to refine His Creation, there will be NO question as to His message or from whom it comes. The wicked will 'curse God' and the righteous will find refuge in the midst of the storm.

Alma 14
8 And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be cast into the fire; and they also brought forth their records which contained the holy scriptures, and cast them into the fire also, that they might be burned and destroyed by fire.
9 And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of martyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire.
10 And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.
11 But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.

He should stop it. Meanwhile, the hosts of heaven are ready to come to the rescue - if we ask.

Book of Ruth wrote:So my next question is, are we feeding this feeling of dread within ourselves, or is this a real global change? History has shown many different cycles of depression and excesses. How is this different?

Saints since Christ have thought that they were living in the 'last days' before his return. In retrospect we can say that they didn't understand the prophecies or the timeline of God. Today, because of the restoration, we have a much better understanding of the fulfillment of God's work. His work with men will last 6000 yrs before the cleansing events leading to the millennial reign. Chronologically, we are very close to the 'time'. As we look around we see the signs of hopelessness midst global society. Immorality, greed, pride, ignorance, and apathy abound at all levels and in all nations. Satan's grasp is not only upon the hearts of people, but also upon the reigns of government. It's a world wide satanic franchise. Entrenchment is deep and sliding.

Are we at the bottom of a cycle? Is there a place on earth which will be able to sprout freedom for a new cycle to begin? Prophecy doesn't suggest another cycle prior to the New Jerusalem. America and the restored church are the final "labor in the field" to gather in the fruit of the vineyard.

Money is the glue which holds modern society together. The unsustainable debt load of trillions among all nations guarantees a collapse within a few years. Will the immoral, greedy, and proud people of the earth be able to craft a new cycle of this mess? Me thinks not. This is the big one, and we are going to live it!

BTW! People mention dates..... I have a date!! On July 4th 2012 America will experience devastation. That day marks Obama's 1260th day in power over the Land of Promise. Mark your calendars!

Book of Ruth said:
So my next question is, are we feeding this feeling of dread within ourselves, or is this a real global change? History has shown many different cycles of depression and excesses. How is this different?

I say that we are in the 42 month count down that John and Daniel talked about. It’s a countdown to the time when things will be in commotion while the cleansing takes place. At the end of that sequence of events, Christ will come to Adam-Ondi-Ahman and the millennium will commence.

Carlos: What is the significance of the number 1260?