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Has anybody created an LDS Eschatology wristwatch yet?

Of course, it will need the "24" Countdown dreaded noise - http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=twentyfour

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Book of Ruth said:
Carlos: What is the significance of the number 1260?

42 month x 30 = 1260 days. Carlos is counting forward 1260 days from inauguration day where as I feel that the countdown started closer to election day. So you end up with May or July depending on you criteria for the starting date.

Carlos wrote:

Book of Ruth wrote:So my next question is, are we feeding this feeling of dread within ourselves, or is this a real global change? History has shown many different cycles of depression and excesses. How is this different?

Saints since Christ have thought that they were living in the 'last days' before his return. In retrospect we can say that they didn't understand the prophecies or the timeline of God. Today, because of the restoration, we have a much better understanding of the fulfillment of God's work. His work with men will last 6000 yrs before the cleansing events leading to the millennial reign. Chronologically, we are very close to the 'time'. As we look around we see the signs of hopelessness midst global society. Immorality, greed, pride, ignorance, and apathy abound at all levels and in all nations. Satan's grasp is not only upon the hearts of people, but also upon the reigns of government. It's a world wide satanic franchise. Entrenchment is deep and sliding.

Are we at the bottom of a cycle? Is there a place on earth which will be able to sprout freedom for a new cycle to begin? Prophecy doesn't suggest another cycle prior to the New Jerusalem. America and the restored church are the final "labor in the field" to gather in the fruit of the vineyard.

Money is the glue which holds modern society together. The unsustainable debt load of trillions among all nations guarantees a collapse within a few years. Will the immoral, greedy, and proud people of the earth be able to craft a new cycle of this mess? Me thinks not. This is the big one, and we are going to live it!

BTW! People mention dates..... I have a date!! On July 4th 2012 America will experience devastation. That day marks Obama's 1260th day in power over the Land of Promise. Mark your calendars!

That's my 55th birthday Carlos. I will gladly take the extra 2 years of time. I'm thinking Hawaii this next winter where the water is warmer and the waves are bigger. Besides what better way to celebrate my seniorhood than to see a cosmic light show happening with meteorites raining down like fireworks on everyones parade. Washington DC will be the first city on line to enjoy the show. New York and Vegas will follow shortly thereafter. It should get exciting.

I basically think the pattern withing the BOM works for us. First the take over in gov by the gadiantons which we see has already happened in a big way, then the civil disruption as we divide into tribes. Once divided, I foresee other countries invading.
We are seeing the beginning of civil disruption already. The question I have how long into the civil disruption does the invasion occur?

The invasion has been going on for some time. We have foreign troop son the spoil of the US with their weaponry. We also have thousands of "Illegal Aliens"(tm) from muslim countries that cross our borders daily and those are assisted by our governments to enter.

friendsofthe wrote:Book of Ruth said:
Carlos: What is the significance of the number 1260?

42 month x 30 = 1260 days. Carlos is counting forward 1260 days from inauguration day where as I feel that the countdown started closer to election day. So you end up with May or July depending on you criteria for the starting date.

would anything make that date fall on Dec. 21st, 2012? the beginning of the age of aquarius, winter solstice... The Mayans knew something....

also i would like to add, i've had this feeling of something coming my entire life.

tummteezy wrote:

friendsofthe wrote:Book of Ruth said:
Carlos: What is the significance of the number 1260?

42 month x 30 = 1260 days. Carlos is counting forward 1260 days from inauguration day where as I feel that the countdown started closer to election day. So you end up with May or July depending on you criteria for the starting date.

would anything make that date fall on Dec. 21st, 2012? the beginning of the age of aquarius, winter solstice... The Mayans knew something....

I am going to go out on an extreme limb here with some of my thoughts that also could coincide with end of the year 2012 time frames. These are my own thoughts and Iam not claiming revelation or anything else...just something to bear in mind, and I personally am convinced enough of it that should things go down as I expect in 2012, I will be at my secure site with all of my supplies that I can get there for the last two months of 2012. Better paranoid than dead or stuck in chaos.

Let me reitirate: my thoughts, not revelation, here's your grain of salt.

My thought is regarding the Mosiah Hancock prophecy, another strike against the entire thing is that is not really a validated canonical prophecy. This is the prophecy regarding the "president of Greek extraction" which some have re-interpreted that it was said "dark skinned president" which people claim that it was unthinkable that there would be a black president. This never has sat well with me as it seems people are going back and trying to force the prophecy to match circumstances. Also, the nuclear attack was supposed to happen after the person of Greek extraction was elected, but before they took office, and happens on a holiday. So the reinterpretation nullifies itself because if it was referring to Obama, then the attack would have come before he took office. Anyway, taht's really neither here nor there, I am just "setting the stage" if you will.

Now I have no idea if it is a valid prophecy to start with. But assuming it was a true prophecy, and that "greek extraction" (as it was originally reported) was actually how it was spoken. Now is where I go out on several precarious limbs, but has ALWAYS struck me as a possible interpretation (even back before Obama.)

Fasten your seatbelts.

First assumptian is that revelation I think can come in many ways. A voice, visual...maybe the person sees a newspaper headline or a future news report. I also think that often prophets describe things as best they can understand it, and that sometimes a misinterpretation can occur. Yes, that is how shaky the ground I am on is, it is based ont the assumption that the person recording the prophecy got it wrong, and possibly interjected their own understanding rather than recording the prophecy verbatim as written. A stretch that is so thin that I am almost embarrassed to even continue.

Now let us assume that George Albert Smith stated that the prophecy occured after the election of a lesbian as president. I do not believe that the word lesbian had the meaning that it does now, in fact it referred to any person that is a resident of the GREEK island of Lesbos.

Now think of if Obama goes down either due to the birth certificate, or Sestak gate, or any number of things. He might even face a primary opponent just due to his unpopularity. It is not unforeseeable that Hillary Clinton could be the president elect in Winter of 2012. There has been plenty of speculation on her sexual preferences.

We would be going from a president who is very mixed on his message regarding the Middle East (Obama) to a very pro-Israel hard liner (Hillary). Recently, it was stated that Iran will likely have at least one and possibly multiple nuclear weapons within two years. Plus we have the general apocalyptic outlook for 2012, and we know the World Elite never let a crisis go to waste.

Again this is a stretch of interpretation based on an assumption, based on an unverified prophecy. Thin, thin, thin. However, I would be watching the 2012 election closely, and if there is ANY way that it can remotely fit the prophecy, I would have plans in place on what you are going to do when. I am strongly considering being bunkered down for Nov-Dec 2012, as there are just too many indicators pointing to possible serious problems around that time. And I am not a big beleiver of 2012 prophecy, but I am a believer that the elite may take advantage of the general populations concern about the date to push their agenda.

Just realize I think all of what I have posted is pretty "out there" and yet.... I can't quite discard it.

The major event I look for before a major nuclear strike is complete civil disarray in the U.S.. The economy seems to be the catalyst to cause this. So the 2012 might be the breaking point for the civil unrest, but a nuclear strike IMOHO would not occur until we were sufficiently weakened internally.
The primary gauge I use is the economic downturn. Once the stores are empty the civil unrest begins, the troops are called home, the missionaries are called home, then our weakened state invites a nuclear strike.
My ex-brother in laws patriarchal blessing told him he would be called home from his mission to defend the Constitution. He always thought it would be his 2 year mission. Well, he is 45 years old now. Not retiring any time soon. So maybe it was talking about his earthly mission or maybe he has an unforeseen early retirement, or maybe, just maybe, we have another 15 or 20 years left.
Another possibility is he will be called on some sort of church mission before he retires.

NoGreaterLove wrote:The major event I look for before a major nuclear strike is complete civil disarray in the U.S.. The economy seems to be the catalyst to cause this. So the 2012 might be the breaking point for the civil unrest, but a nuclear strike IMOHO would not occur until we were sufficiently weakened internally.
The primary gauge I use is the economic downturn. Once the stores are empty the civil unrest begins, the troops are called home, the missionaries are called home, then our weakened state invites a nuclear strike.
My ex-brother in laws patriarchal blessing told him he would be called home from his mission to defend the Constitution. He always thought it would be his 2 year mission. Well, he is 45 years old now. Not retiring any time soon. So maybe it was talking about his earthly mission or maybe he has an unforeseen early retirement, or maybe, just maybe, we have another 15 or 20 years left.
Another possibility is he will be called on some sort of church mission before he retires.

Please let us know as soon as you do

Great thread and great questions,
I have always been a watcher and it is very easy to develop a bunker mentality when seeing all of the evil growing around us at such a rapid pace. We need to remember what Satan said about it being his time and all of the havoc he will cause.
I strongly feel like this time is different as we see events unfold around us. I always wondered how Israel would be left to stand alone when we have ALWAYS had their back in affairs that pitted them against the rest of the world. I think anyone can now see with the latest UN vote that we have thrown them under the bus and have a hostile relationship with them now. Again re-emphasized with the President telling everyone today that the raid on the ships was unjustified and wrong. The middle east is in the process of blowing up right now.
The Korea's are ready to go at it any minute too.
Our economy is in shambles and the European zone is far worse than us. China is falling apart and looking for options to recover losses at our hands.
Our country is just plain wicked and turned form God. Green is the new religion. We are now worshiping the creation rather than the creator as prophesied.
The Gay agenda and movement is now one of the most powerful in the country.
I really have been feeling the last month that things are coming to a head, RIGHT NOW! We have a front row seat in the most exciting time in history. The problem is we were not put here at this time by accident and it was not to sit and watch.
Much work ahead for us and the best part is we already know the outcome and we are on the right side of this conflict.
My feelings.

Cowboy wrote:Great thread and great questions,
I have always been a watcher and it is very easy to develop a bunker mentality when seeing all of the evil growing around us at such a rapid pace. We need to remember what Satan said about it being his time and all of the havoc he will cause.
I strongly feel like this time is different as we see events unfold around us. I always wondered how Israel would be left to stand alone when we have ALWAYS had their back in affairs that pitted them against the rest of the world. I think anyone can now see with the latest UN vote that we have thrown them under the bus and have a hostile relationship with them now. Again re-emphasized with the President telling everyone today that the raid on the ships was unjustified and wrong. The middle east is in the process of blowing up right now.
The Korea's are ready to go at it any minute too.
Our economy is in shambles and the European zone is far worse than us. China is falling apart and looking for options to recover losses at our hands.
Our country is just plain wicked and turned form God. Green is the new religion. We are now worshiping the creation rather than the creator as prophesied.
The Gay agenda and movement is now one of the most powerful in the country.
I really have been feeling the last month that things are coming to a head, RIGHT NOW! We have a front row seat in the most exciting time in history. The problem is we were not put here at this time by accident and it was not to sit and watch.
Much work ahead for us and the best part is we already know the outcome and we are on the right side of this conflict.
My feelings.

Amen! Great post Cowboy.

So many of you have spoken of the "work" we have to do. Can anyone expand on the work? I take it as temple, missionary, and preparing our families, but I do not want my kids or grandkids to have to fight this fight again. (meaning leaders of nationS that follow Satan). How can we kick them out for good? Is there any other "work" that needs to be done?

How can we kick them out for good? Is there any other "work" that needs to be done?

I believe there is. It isn't an easy work for me to do and it requires doing it over and over again. I haven't yet achieved a level of spiritual development which allows me to 'love my enemies, pray for those who despitefully use you'.

Whenever I lament over some idiotic policy, bill or law our elected officials glibly pass the Spirit whispers that I need to follow the counsel found in Doctrine & Covenants 101:

80 And for this purpose have I established the aConstitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.
81 Now, unto what shall I liken the children of Zion? I will liken them unto the parable of the woman and the unjust judge, for men ought always to pray and not to faint, which saith—
82 There was in a city a judge which feared not God, neither regarded man.
83 And there was a widow in that city, and she came unto him, saying: Avenge me of mine adversary.
84 And he would not for a while, but afterward he said within himself: Though I fear not God, nor regard man, yet because this widow troubleth me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
85 Thus will I liken the children of Zion.
86 Let them importune at the feet of the judge;
87 And if he heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the governor;
88 And if the governor heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the president;
89 And if the president heed them not, then will the Lord arise and come forth out of his hiding place, and in his fury vex the nation;
90 And in his hot displeasure, and in his fierce anger, in his time, will cut off those wicked, unfaithful, and unjust stewards, and appoint them their portion among hypocrites, and unbelievers;
91 Even in outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.
92 Pray ye, therefore, that their ears may be opened unto your cries, that I may be merciful unto them, that these things may not come upon them.
93 What I have said unto you must needs be, that all men may be left without excuse;
94 That wise men and rulers may hear and know that which they have never considered;
95 That I may proceed to bring to pass my act, my strange act, and perform my work, my strange work, that men may discern between the righteous and the wicked, saith your God.

It appears to me that we MUST let 'wise men & rulers' 'hear & know' the TRUTH from our own mouths or pens, and we must pray that they will UNDERSTAND lest they be spiritually lost.

That seems like a big work to be doing and essential for us to do if we want to get to the next step. I don't look for a timeline in all this, but I think we can hasten the Lord's upgrade of the Creation if we do the above.

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I've disconnected my emotions from politics as much as possible, and since doing so, I've had a peace I hadn't experienced in a long time. Between 2005-2008 I felt this heavy impending doom feeling. I worked hard to prepare. I'm still working on preparation, but now I'm not frantic about it - I'm pacing myself. I believe we waited too long to be able to avoid the conflict that is building now... but even seeing it on the horizon and not being as prepared as I'd like to be, I feel calm.

I hope we can avoid it for a longer period of time - especially since I want to be able to raise my children and have access to great materials with which to educate them. I guess right now I'm sort of in a "savor it" stage. I know things are going to change - I don't really fear the change (though I certainly don't look forward to it). I just want to enjoy my self-created bubble for a while and steel myself against what is to come.

I spent some time reading through President Wilford Woodruffs journal yesterday. He recorded a lot of revelations there. The one major thing that I learned from it was that the Lord does not want the Elders taking up arms to fight their enemies unless he commands it. The Lord told Wilford Woodruff in no uncertain terms that He will fight there battles. There responsibilities were to present the problems to the government and ask for redress.
If anyone has the time to study his journal, I would highly recommend it. I learned a lot about how revelation is handled within the Twelve and the First Presidency.

ChelC wrote:I've disconnected my emotions from politics as much as possible, and since doing so, I've had a peace I hadn't experienced in a long time. Between 2005-2008 I felt this heavy impending doom feeling. I worked hard to prepare. I'm still working on preparation, but now I'm not frantic about it - I'm pacing myself. I believe we waited too long to be able to avoid the conflict that is building now... but even seeing it on the horizon and not being as prepared as I'd like to be, I feel calm.

I hope we can avoid it for a longer period of time - especially since I want to be able to raise my children and have access to great materials with which to educate them. I guess right now I'm sort of in a "savor it" stage. I know things are going to change - I don't really fear the change (though I certainly don't look forward to it). I just want to enjoy my self-created bubble for a while and steel myself against what is to come.

Disconnecting yourself emmotionally from politics is VERY good because politics is nothing more than a game that TPTB play to keep us pitted against each other rather than them.

Who are the TPTB?

TPTB= the powers that be

Original_Intent wrote:My thought is regarding the Mosiah Hancock prophecy, another strike against the entire thing is that is not really a validated canonical prophecy. This is the prophecy regarding the "president of Greek extraction" which some have re-interpreted that it was said "dark skinned president" which people claim that it was unthinkable that there would be a black president. This never has sat well with me as it seems people are going back and trying to force the prophecy to match circumstances. Also, the nuclear attack was supposed to happen after the person of Greek extraction was elected, but before they took office, and happens on a holiday. So the reinterpretation nullifies itself because if it was referring to Obama, then the attack would have come before he took office. Anyway, taht's really neither here nor there, I am just "setting the stage" if you will.

Like you, I take the phrase "greek extraction" at face value. So from my perspective, there are two options. 1. This was referring to Dukakis's run in 1980, and for whatever reason, that crisis was averted (as proposed by John Pratt), or 2. There is another candidate that fits the bill.

In regard to the latter, I have, with some interest been watching how General David Petraeus's name has come up a few times as a potential candidate for president in 2012 such as here and here. And recently, his name has come to the forefront again with his recent appointment to head the Afghan war, so it will be interesting to see how that will all play out. Bottom line, I'm getting prepared as best I can, but if his presidential campaign starts getting some traction I'm going to be very concerned.

I think Petraeus is a strong candidate for the fulfillment of that prophesy if it is true.

NoGreaterLove wrote:I think Petraeus is a strong candidate for the fulfillment of that prophesy if it is true.

I had always though George Stephenopaulos was someone to watch, but in the current political environment I agree - Petraeus is an INCREDIBLY likely candidate. If he got elected, I seriously would take a three month leave from work, and spend as much time as possible getting as many supples as possible to my fall back position. (And no, I am not going to go live in the wilderness in a tent - UNLESS I am told to!)

Sharon
I am with you on this. The drastic changes have already occurred and are occurring as we speak. So to me it is not pending. The consequences are pending.