The Jewish Question

[Mark]

The protocols of the learned Elders of Zion is worth reading as I think it gives a very accurate picture of how we are viewed by those who would be our masters. I believe the authors very clearly showed their disdain and lack of empathy or sympathy with the "goyim".

Where I believe many are mislead is in actually believing that this group of people are "the Jews". In other words, I believe the group that wrote "the Learned Elders" (which I believe were either not Jews or at least were not representative of the Jews) wrote very honestly and frankly but then use the Jews as a scapegoat, writing as if it were the Jews, rather than themselves, who have such a view of humanity that the rest of us are to be treated as little more than beasts.

I believe that anyone who believes that the Protocols are accurate depiction of the Jews is quite misguided.

You know I've wondered about this. Seems all conspiracies trace back to the Protocols. Hitler used the protocols, and I certainly don't want to be in his camp. Yet I also believe there are conspiracies. Makes sense to expose conspiracies and then blame them on those you WANT to destroy. I don't buy it. The Jews were murdered in Communist Russia as they were Nazi Germany. When totalitarians have control, they go after the Jews. I can buy a Jewish civil war where some factions are setting up against another faction, but that's true in every culture, religion, and country. So let's stop picking on "the Jews" and pick on all Gadiantons.

Not to mention the fact that to follow the Protocols line of thought, and in some cases Infowars, you pit yourself on the wrong side of Armageddon. Follow the scriptures, folks.

Excellent observation PJ. This to me is where conspiracy talk takes a huge leap backward and those who push the demonization of the Jews actually harm legitimate conspiracy research and fact finding. Fair minded people reject this demonization outright and often then close their minds to legitimate conspiracies that need to see the light of day. I think that is what the adversary wants to have happen. LDS should never become party to this form of bigotry and hatred of the Jewish race.

[Cowell]

Follow the scriptures, folks.

Okay

12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
13 Their hand shall be lifted up upon their adversaries, and all their enemies shall be cut off.
14 Yea, wo be unto the Gentiles except they repent...

[larsenb]

The Khazar, Ashkenazi Jews are the result of invading Huns, killing the fathers, sons, nephews, uncles of the indigenous lost tribes of Israel. Then what did the Hun army do with the women and children who were left? The genetic argument means nothing!

Then the Ashkenazi decedents of their lost tribes of Israel mothers and their Hun fathers became converted to the perverted and false religion of the Pharisees.

Ashkenazim is part of the Orthodox, Great and Abominable Church. Period. And that is the only point I wanted to make.

God Bless,
Darren

Your idea that the Khazars may have picked up a lot of the blood of Israel from remnants of the Lost Tribes after the invading Huns killed off most of the males is interesting. This would have happened in the 4th-5th Century. However, if the Khazars converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century (assertion by the article), they may well have intermarried with Jews who move into the area from Byzantium/Greece, etc., and even with Jews of the Middle East, thereby picking up blood from the Tribe of Judah. So already you have much of the blood of Israel among them.

But I would expect that when the Huns moved into this area they kept their original language. Picking up Israelitish wives or concubines would not affect this. Later, if their elites converted to Judaism, it is doubtful they would give up their original language for an archaic Hebrew/Aramaic mix.

This very argument is just one indication that Ashkenazi Jews do not have Khazar origins. Ashkenazim, as noted in my earlier post, speak Yiddish (or did), which is a compound of German, Hebrew and apparently Aramaic. Where are the Turkic or Mongolian elements of this language? If the Kahzars moved into the Rhine River Valley in the 11th Century, and did not assimilate, you would expect them to be speaking a language reflecting their origins.

The fact that Ashkenazim speak a language with original elements of Aramaic and Hebrew compounded with German is a strong indication they are Jews of the Diaspora, who spoke an Aramaic/Hebrew mix to my understanding. My anecdote about Bro. Schecter is another strong indication of this, as well, and the assertion of the article that Jews were known in the Rhine River Valley as early as the 4th Century, is another indication.

That present day Ashkenazim practice a Rabbinical, Pharasaic-Talmudic/Misha type of Judaism is not in dispute. They are not Karaites, who eschew the Oral tradition, sticking to almost a private interpretation of the Torah/Tanak. The fact that certain Jewish elites seem to follow a Cabalistic/Sabatean-Frankish tradition, one that may line up with neo-Con Zionism, would place them squarely in the Great and Abominable Church category. No argument there.

But to say Ashkenazi don’t come largely from the tribe of Judah, doesn’t’ hold water in my view, for the reasons stated and for many others one could come up with.

[MasterOfNone]

If I remember correctly there was a good piece in the 13th Tribe about the linguistic argument (or I may have read it in an article). I do not have the book anymore (was borrowing it from a friend years ago)...I do remember that the conventional view and the one the book/article put forward were at odds.

[LittleLion]

LDS Prophecy Validates Protocols of Zion


The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion were made public in the United States in the 1920s by Henry Ford. This prophecy is from the 1880s.

"Charles D. Evans was a church patriarch, in the 1890's, while living in Springville, Utah.

While I lay pondering in deep solitude on the events of the present, my mind was drawn into a reverie such as I had never felt before,--a strong solicitude for my imperiled country utterly excluded every other thought, and raised my feelings to a point of intensity which I did not think it possible to endure.

While in this solemn, profound, and painful reverie of mind, to my infinite surprise, a light appeared in my room, which seemed to be soft and silvery as that diffused from a northern star. At the moment of its appearance, the acute feeling I had experienced instantly yielded to one of calm tranquility....

As I gazed upward, I saw descending through my bedroom roof, with a gently gliding movement, a personage clothed in white apparel, whose countenance was smoothly serene, his features regular, and the flashes of his eye seemed to shoot forth scintillations, to use an earthly comparison, strongly resembling those reflected from a diamond under an intensely illumined electric light, which dazzled but did not bewilder...

By some intuition, or instinct, I felt he had something to communicate to sooth my sorrows and allay my apprehensions. Thereupon addressing me, he said:

"Son, I perceive thou hast grave anxieties over the perilous state of thy country, that thy soul has felt deep sorrow for its future. I have therefore come to thy relief and to tell thee of the causes that have led to this peril. Hear me attentively...

My vision now became extended in a marvelous manner, and the import of the past labors of the Elders was made plain to me. I saw multitudes fleeing to the place of safety in our mountain heights. The church was established in the wilderness. Simultaneously the nation had reached an unparalleled prosperity, wealth abounded, new territory was acquired, commerce extended, finance strengthened, confidence was maintained, and peoples abroad pointed to her as the model nation--the ideal of the past realized and perfected--the embodiment of the liberty sung by poets and sought for by sages.

"But," continued the Messenger, "thou beholdest a change. Confidence is lost, wealth is arrayed against labor, labor against wealth, yet the land abounds with plenty of food and raiment, and silver and gold are in abundance. Thou seest also the letters written by a Jew have wrought great confusion in the finances of the nation which, together with the policy of many wealthy ones, has produced distress and do produce further sorrow."

Factions now sprang up as if by magic; capital had entrenched itself against labor throughout the land; labor was organized against capital. The voice of the wise sought to tranquilize these two powerful factors in vain. Excited multitudes ran wildly about; strikes increased; lawlessness sought the place of regular government.

At this juncture I saw a banner floating in air whereupon was written the words, "BANKRUPTCY, FAMINE, FLOODS, FIRE, CYCLONES, BLOOD, PLAGUE." Mad with rage, men and women rushed upon each other. Blood flowed down the streets of cities like water. The demon of bloody hate had enthroned itself on the citadel of reason; the thirst for blood was more intense than that of the parched tongue for water. Thousands of bodies lay untombed in the streets. Men and women fell dead from the terror inspired by fear. Rest was but the precursor of the bloody work of the morrow. All around lay the mournfulness of a past in ruins. Monuments erected to perpetuate the names of the noble and brave were ruthlessly destroyed by combustibles.

A voice now sounded aloud these words, "Yet once again I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word yet once again signifies the removing of things that are shaken, as of things that are made; that those things that cannot be shaken may remain."

Earthquakes rent the earth in vast chasms, which engulfed multitudes; terrible groanings and wailings filled the air; the shrieks of the suffering were indescribably awful. Water wildly rushed in from the tumultuous ocean, whose very roaring under the mad rage of the fierce cyclone, was unendurable to the ear. Cities were swept away in an instant, missiles were hurled through the atmosphere at a terrible velocity, and people were carried upward only to descend an unrecognizable mass. Islands appeared where ocean waves once tossed the gigantic steamer. In other parts, voluminous flames emanating from vast fires, rolled with fearful velocity, destroying life and property in their destructive course.

The seal of the dread menace of despair was stamped on every human visage; men fell exhausted, appalled and trembling. Every element of agitated nature seemed a demon of wrathful fury. Dense clouds, blacker than midnight darkness, whose thunders reverberated with intonations which shook the earth, obscured the sunlight. Darkness reigned unrivaled and supreme.

Again the light shone, revealing an atmosphere tinged with a leaden hue, which was the precursor of an unparalleled plague, whose first symptoms were recognized by a purple spot which appeared on the cheek or on the back of the hand, and which, invariably, enlarged until it spread over the entire surface of the body, producing certain death. Mothers, on sight of it, cast away their children as if they were poisonous reptiles. This plague, in grown persons, rotted the eyes in their sockets and consumed the tongue as would a powerful acid or an intense heat. Wicked men, suffering under its writhing agonies, cursed God and died, as they stood on their feet, and the birds of prey feasted on their carcasses.

I saw in my dream the Messenger again appear with a vial in his right hand, who addressing me, said: "Thou knowest somewhat of the chemistry taught in the schools of human learning, behold now a chemical sufficiently powerful to change the waters of the sea."

He then poured out his vial upon the sea and it became putrid as the blood of a dead man, and every living soul therein died. Other plagues followed which I forbear to record.

A foreign power had inroaded the nation, which, from every human indication, it appeared would seize the government and supplant it with monarchy. I stood trembling at the aspect, when, lo, a power arose in the west which declared itself in favor of the Constitution in its original form; to this suddenly rising power, every lover of constitutional rights and liberties throughout the nation gave hearty support. The struggle was fiercely contested, but the Stars and Stripes floated in the breeze, and bidding defiance to all opposition, waved proudly over the land.

Among the many banners I saw, was one inscribed thus: "The government based on the Constitution, now and forever"; on another, "Liberty of Conscience, Social, Religious, and Political."

The light of the Gospel which had but dimly shone because of abomination, now burst forth with a lustre that filled the earth. Cities appeared in every direction, one of which, in the center of the continent, was an embodiment of architectural science after the pattern of eternal perfections, whose towers glittered with a radiance emanating from the sparkling of emeralds, rubies, diamonds, and other precious stones set in a canopy of gold, and so elaborately and skillfully arranged as to shed forth a brilliancy which dazzled and enchanted the eye, excited admiration and developed a taste for the beautiful, beyond anything man had ever conceived.

Fountains of crystal water shot upwards their transparent jets, which, in the brilliant sunshine, formed ten thousand rainbow tints at once delightful to the eye. Gardens, the perfection of whose arrangement confound all our present attempts at genius, were bedecked with flowers of varied hue to develop and refine the taste and strengthen a love for these nature's chastest adornments.

Schools and universities were erected, to which all had access; in the latter, Urims were placed for the study of the past, present, and future, and for obtaining a knowledge of the heavenly bodies, and of the construction of worlds and universes. The inherent properties of matter, its arrangements, laws, and mutual relations were revealed and taught and made plain as the primer lesson of a child. The conflicting theories of geologists regarding the foundation and age of the earth were settled forever. All learning was based on eternal certainty. Angels brought forth the treasures of knowledge which had laid hid in the womb of the dumb and distant past.

The appliances for making learning easy surpass all conjecture. Chemistry was rendered extremely simple, by the power which the Urims conferred on man of looking into and through the very elements of every kind; a stone furnished no more obstruction to human vision than the air itself. Not only were the elements and all their changes and transformations plainly understood, but the construction, operations and laws of mind were thus rendered equally plain as those which governed the coarser elements.

While looking through the Urim and Thummim, I was amazed at a transformation, which even now is to me marvelous beyond description, clearly showing the manner in which particles composing the inorganic kingdom of nature are conducted upward to become a part of organic forms; another astounding revelation was a view clearly shown me of the entire circulation of the blood, both in man and animals.

After seeing these things and gazing once more upon the beautiful city, the following passage of scripture sounded in my ears: "OUT OF ZION, THE PERFECTION OF BEAUTY, GOD SHINETH."


http://www.moneyteachers.org/Protocols.Validated.html

[M249Gunner]

I am not so sure that the Protocols of Zion are being confirmed by the quoted vision. In fact, I think I doubt it (though I admit that I am not well versed with the Protocols of Zion). I think the Jew that wrote the letters that confused the finances of the nation was that evil, disgusting, scumbag Karl Marx. His perverted communist ideologies, if adopted, would definitely throw finances of a nation into confusion.

[LittleLion]

I am not so sure that the Protocols of Zion are being confirmed by the quoted vision. In fact, I think I doubt it (though I admit that I am not well versed with the Protocols of Zion). I think the Jew that wrote the letters that confused the finances of the nation was that evil, disgusting, scumbag Karl Marx. His perverted communist ideologies, if adopted, would definitely throw finances of a nation into confusion.

True enough, I just thought it was an interesting vision and commentary possibly relating to this thread.

[Jason]

I am not so sure that the Protocols of Zion are being confirmed by the quoted vision. In fact, I think I doubt it (though I admit that I am not well versed with the Protocols of Zion). I think the Jew that wrote the letters that confused the finances of the nation was that evil, disgusting, scumbag Karl Marx. His perverted communist ideologies, if adopted, would definitely throw finances of a nation into confusion.

Whoever wrote the Protocols was extremely knowledgeable and bright....with a very clear perception of people and their behavior (finance/economics/nations/etc.).....as well as the future

[LittleLion]

Whoever wrote the Protocols was extremely knowledgeable and bright....with a very clear perception of people and their behavior (finance/economics/nations/etc.).....as well as the future

I am with most everyone here and side with restraint, we cannot demonize a whole race for something someone wrote. I choose to believe that the Protocols are exactly the way satan is running things. I could care less who plagiarized whom or who is discredited or what propaganda or conspiracy anyone might or might not believe. You want to control the world....There is a blueprint, a great starting point. Thats all....

[natasha]

Being a Jew is NOT A RACE. Judaism is mainly a religion. Here's a link that explains things from Jewish perspective:

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

[ldsfireguy]

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[LittleLion]

NOT A RACE

Very true - I mis spoke. I should have said an entire group of people. Either way, the POZ are the road map by which the ptb are running this world as far as the Lord will allow them, that's all I am saying. To just offhandedly dismiss the POZ for any reason is a serious mistake.

The way I see it is that satan is trying to destroy Christs perceived people, the house of Judah, by using people perceived to be of that house. Satan is also trying to destroy America for the same reason, because it is perceived to be where Christ will build the New Jerusalem. Both of these agendas, amongst many others, are being fulfulled using the POZ. Period...

[LittleLion]

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