The Jewish Question

[MasterOfNone]

I am wondering what forum members think on this often controversial issue. I have not studied it a great deal. Here is my current view of the matter:

1. Rothschilds funded the political Zionist movement
2. Rothschilds are Khazar rather than Judahite (Sephardic) Jews
3. Rothschilds promoted the anti-semitism (Hitler etc.) in order to gain support for a Jewish homeland and to protect their own interests (labelled "Jewish") - they promoted the ADL etc. in order to facilitate/maintain these aims by discrediting opposition
4. Holocaust - never really looked into this. I do believe it has been politicized. I tend to the belief that it did occur but I am suspicious of the exact nature and extent of it. There are those who say it is a hoax. I think it is terrible that men like David Irving get put in jail for their research/beliefs on the matter - which of course can only make one more suspicious about it.
5. "Jews" in media etc. Is there a disproportionate percentage in control of the MSM etc? Does this necessarily mean anything? What of claims by some that this group also control or have strong connections with men like Alex Jones and Ed Griffin?

Of course, I think we all realize that wickedness is about the heart and actions ultimately - not one's race/culture/country etc. but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

[Wiikwajio]

I am wondering what forum members think on this often controversial issue. I have not studied it a great deal. Here is my current view of the matter:

1. Rothschilds funded the political Zionist movement
2. Rothschilds are Khazar rather than Judahite (Sephardic) Jews
3. Rothschilds promoted the anti-semitism (Hitler etc.) in order to gain support for a Jewish homeland and to protect their own interests (labelled "Jewish") - they promoted the ADL etc. in order to facilitate/maintain these aims by discrediting opposition
4. Holocaust - never really looked into this. I do believe it has been politicized. I tend to the belief that it did occur but I am suspicious of the exact nature and extent of it. There are those who say it is a hoax. I think it is terrible that men like David Irving get put in jail for their research/beliefs on the matter - which of course can only make one more suspicious about it.
5. "Jews" in media etc. Is there a disproportionate percentage in control of the MSM etc? Does this necessarily mean anything? What of claims by some that this group also control or have strong connections with men like Alex Jones and Ed Griffin?

Of course, I think we all realize that wickedness is about the heart and actions ultimately - not one's race/culture/country etc. but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

The Rothschilds also funded Lenin, Marx, FDR, England. They have funded probably every war since they gained power. They, or the Tri-Lateralist CFR Builderberger buddies, own/control all major news media. If you have something bad to THINK about them it is probably true.

And yes, I believe they are Khazars. They had to join the Jewish faith so they could lend money. Christians could not lend money at interest in Europe.

They want you to be distracted and have a boogie man so you do nothing because the problem is too big.

Where do you start to fight back? Easy answer. YOU have control over what YOU do. The choices you make in life are YOUR choices. I stopped waiting for others to join with me and freed myself. If 250,000 LDS did the same things I have done the every foundations of Hell would be shaken forever.

The straw that broke the camels back tactical plan using the RFRA would work if LDS would just follow the teachings of Grant, McKay and Benson but instead they follow only what Benson called the "popular principles" and mouth the excuses Benson outlined in Not Commanded in All Things.

Mosiah 27:13 Nevertheless he cried again, saying: Alma, arise and stand forth, for why persecutest thou the church of God? For the Lord hath said: This is my church, and I will establish it; and nothing shall overthrow it, save it is the transgression of my people.

Message from the First Presidency, Improvement Era, August 1936, p. 488.
Latter-day Saints cannot be true to their faith and lend aid, encouragement, or sympathy to false ideologies such as socialism and communism. The official Church position on communism remains unchanged since it was first promulgated in 1936: "We call upon all Church members completely to eschew Communism. The safety of our divinely inspired Constitutional government and the welfare of our Church imperatively demand that Communism shall have no place in America."

Main Entry: es·chew
Pronunciation: \e-ˈshü, i-; es-ˈchü, is-; also e-ˈskyü\
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French eschiver (3d present eschiu) of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German sciuhen to frighten off — more at shy
Date: 14th century
: to avoid habitually especially on moral or practical grounds : shun
synonyms see escape
— es·chew·al \-əl\ noun

Instead members embrace it many parts of the Communist Manifesto through self imposed ignorance or lack of effort. How much effort is required?

Devote our time, means, and life if necessary, to hold inviolate those laws which will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life.” (McKay, “Free Agency...A Divine Gift” 367, 378)

If you pay income taxes and FICA taxes you do not even have control over the foundation of all property...your labor. So we need to devote our time, means and life in necessary but almost no Mormons followed or follow that command. Instead they use the excuses listed by Benson, time and time and time again. According to Benson they will have their reward.

[AussieOi]

www.truetorahjews.org

www.jewsagainstzionism.com

[Mullenite]

The Jewish Question

[Mahonri]

This kind of crap is collectivism at its worst.

[Mark]

WHO RUNS AMERICA?? ZIONISTS=ZION=PROTOCOLS OF ZION

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http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm#protocol1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWynP9YK ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZ7av9F ... re=related


WHO RUNS AMERICA?? ZIONISTS=ZION=PROTOCOLS OF ZION

The author of this translation of the famous Protocols was himself a victim of the Revolution. He had lived for many years in Russia and was married to a Russian lady. Among his other activities in Russia he had been for a number of years a Russian Correspondent of the MORNING POST, a position which he occupied when the Revolution broke out, and his vivid descriptions of events in Russia will still be in the recollection of many of the readers of that Journal. Naturally he was singled out for the anger of the Soviet.

On the day that Captain Cromie was murdered by Jews, Victor Marsden was arrested and thrown into the Peter-Paul Prison, expecting every day to have his name called out for execution. This, however, he escaped, and eventually he was allowed to return to England very much of a wreck in bodily health. However, he recovered under treatment and the devoted care of his wife and friends. One of the first things he undertook, as soon as he was able, was this translation of the Protocols.

Mr. Marsden was eminently well qualified for the work. His intimate acquaintance with Russia, Russian life and the Russian language on the one hand, and his mastery of a terse literary English style on the other, placed him in a position of advantage which few others could claim. The consequence is that we have in his version an eminently readable work, and though the subject-matter is somewhat formless, Mr. Marsden's literary touch reveals the thread running through the twenty-four Protocols. It may be said with truth that this work was carried out at the cost of Mr. Marsden's own life's blood.

He told the writer of this Preface that he could not stand more than an hour at a time of his work on it in the British Museum, as the diabolical spirit of the matter which he was obliged to turn into English made him positively ill.

Mr. Marsden's connection with the MORNING POST was not severed by his return to England, and he was well enough to accept the post of special correspondent of that journal in the suite of H.R.H., the Prince of Wales on his Empire tour. From this he returned with the Prince, apparently in much better health, but within a few days of his landing he was taken suddenly ill, and died after a very brief illness.

May this work be his crowning monument! In it he has performed an immense service to the English-speaking world, and there can be little doubt that it will take its place in the first rank of the English versions of "THE PROTOCOLS of the Meetings of the LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION."

This kind of crap is so contrary to the principles of the restored gospel that if one can't see its evil they are blinded by the craftiness of men. No Priesthood holder should participate in this type of demonization. Why are you posting this Mullenite? Are you a white supremist?

[Mullenite]

[quote="Mark"][quote="Mullenite"]WHO RUNS AMERICA?? ZIONISTS=ZION=PROTOCOLS OF ZION




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[Mahonri]

This kind of crap is so contrary to the principles of the restored gospel that if one can't see its evil they are blinded by the craftiness of men. No Priesthood holder should participate in this type of demonization. Why are you posting this Mullenite? Are you a white supremist?

He is a moron. A guy I once talked that tried to convince me of this crap, tried to say that Collin Powell was a Jew too Working to build the satanic conspiracy, yes. Jew?

This stuff is even worse than shape shifting aliens in my book. This is so communistic in nature that anyone that even pretends to love freedom would see right through it.

Not only is it communistic, it is completely devoid of any logic.

[Mullenite]

I am wondering what forum members think on this often controversial issue. I have not studied it a great deal. Here is my current view of the matter:

1. Rothschilds funded the political Zionist movement
2. Rothschilds are Khazar rather than Judahite (Sephardic) Jews
3. Rothschilds promoted the anti-semitism (Hitler etc.) in order to gain support for a Jewish homeland and to protect their own interests (labelled "Jewish") - they promoted the ADL etc. in order to facilitate/maintain these aims by discrediting opposition
4. Holocaust - never really looked into this. I do believe it has been politicized. I tend to the belief that it did occur but I am suspicious of the exact nature and extent of it. There are those who say it is a hoax. I think it is terrible that men like David Irving get put in jail for their research/beliefs on the matter - which of course can only make one more suspicious about it.
5. "Jews" in media etc. Is there a disproportionate percentage in control of the MSM etc? Does this necessarily mean anything? What of claims by some that this group also control or have strong connections with men like Alex Jones and Ed Griffin?

Of course, I think we all realize that wickedness is about the heart and actions ultimately - not one's race/culture/country etc. but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

[mattctr]

Edit: Original post was off-topic. Sent as private message instead.

[Original_Intent]

The protocols of the learned Elders of Zion is worth reading as I think it gives a very accurate picture of how we are viewed by those who would be our masters. I believe the authors very clearly showed their disdain and lack of empathy or sympathy with the "goyim".

Where I believe many are mislead is in actually believing that this group of people are "the Jews". In other words, I believe the group that wrote "the Learned Elders" (which I believe were either not Jews or at least were not representative of the Jews) wrote very honestly and frankly but then use the Jews as a scapegoat, writing as if it were the Jews, rather than themselves, who have such a view of humanity that the rest of us are to be treated as little more than beasts.

I believe that anyone who believes that the Protocols are accurate depiction of the Jews is quite misguided.

[BroJones]

I am wondering what forum members think on this often controversial issue. I have not studied it a great deal. Here is my current view of the matter:

1. Rothschilds funded the political Zionist movement
2. Rothschilds are Khazar rather than Judahite (Sephardic) Jews
3. Rothschilds promoted the anti-semitism (Hitler etc.) in order to gain support for a Jewish homeland and to protect their own interests (labelled "Jewish") - they promoted the ADL etc. in order to facilitate/maintain these aims by discrediting opposition

Interesting if these statements can be substantiated -- references please?

I would particularly be interested if the Rothschilds are Khazar rather than of the tribe-that-must-not-be-named.

[bobhenstra]

I am wondering what forum members think on this often controversial issue. I have not studied it a great deal. Here is my current view of the matter:

1. Rothschilds funded the political Zionist movement
2. Rothschilds are Khazar rather than Judahite (Sephardic) Jews
3. Rothschilds promoted the anti-semitism (Hitler etc.) in order to gain support for a Jewish homeland and to protect their own interests (labelled "Jewish") - they promoted the ADL etc. in order to facilitate/maintain these aims by discrediting opposition

Interesting if these statements can be substantiated -- references please?

I would particularly be interested if the Rothschilds are Khazar rather than of the tribe-that-must-not-be-named.

Some years ago while flying to Maryland to visit my oldest child and her family, I sit next to a guy who seemed at that moment "quite" normal. Watching me read the B of M he commented; You know the Holy Ghost is a shape "twister", he appeared as a dove! And, he continued, it's true, the Jews do control the world." Before he could continue, I excused myself got up and visited the potty stall. When I returned, I ask Jo to move next to the guy, and explained to him that she was hard of hearing--- She was hard of hearing-- and did want to nap, so it wasn't much of a lie. But he was smart enough to realize I had no intention of continuing a conversation with him.

In a short time, The "House of Israel" will control the world! And Our Lord, our King, certainly could be called a "Jew" So, I'm not concerned about stories like these, I have better things to spend time on.

Bob

[larsenb]

I am wondering what forum members think on this often controversial issue. I have not studied it a great deal. Here is my current view of the matter:

1. Rothschilds funded the political Zionist movement
2. Rothschilds are Khazar rather than Judahite (Sephardic) Jews
3. Rothschilds promoted the anti-semitism (Hitler etc.) in order to gain support for a Jewish homeland and to protect their own interests (labelled "Jewish") - they promoted the ADL etc. in order to facilitate/maintain these aims by discrediting opposition

Interesting if these statements can be substantiated -- references please?

I would particularly be interested if the Rothschilds are Khazar rather than of the tribe-that-must-not-be-named.

I've read most of what Arthur Koestler has written, but have only scanned The 13th Tribe. But my view of the matter is you can't tag Ashkenazim as completely Khazar in origin. I think this is a fallacy.

This theory neglects the probability of the many Jews who may have already been in the midst of the Khazars; it neglects those that had moved into the area of Eastern Europe from surrounding Mediterranean lands, perhaps even before the influx from Khazar regions; it neglects those Sephardim that may have intermixed with them throughout the centuries. I don't think it is black-and-white at all. In fact, my strong suspicion is that the Khazar faction among eastern European Jewry is probably not nearly as large as perhaps Koestler may have thought.

Regarding the potential for good and evil among the Jews, Hugh Nibley asserts (which I also believe, and fits my experience) that you will find Jews in the forefront and even leading, elements of both factions (good and evil). Some of the best 'Conservative', Constitutional commentators I know of, are Jewish. And of course, the opposite.

All you have to think about are the Sabatean Jews that arose in the 17th Century, carried on by the Frankists in the next Century, who inverted basic morality and amplified perhaps some of the worst aspects of Pharasaic and Talmudic Judaism. I believe people like Jacob Weishaupt came from these groups and lineages. Then remember the high percentage of Jews in the Bolshevik cadres and the later Soviet leadership, even leaders of the hated secret police (e.g., Dzerzhinsky) with thousands of murders on their hands.

Just because Jews are in a 'chosen' lineage, doesn’t mean they are necessarily chosen on an individual basis in the sense Nibley translates the word: those who are in a real-time covenant relationship with the Lord, and are keeping His commandments.

The issue is certainly not black-and-white. Read Barry Chamish’s critique of current Israeli leadership, and the evidence he marshals regarding who really had Yitzhak Rabin killed, etc., not even mentioning Rep. Wayne Owens; and the evidence this leadership is intertwined with the elitist globalists, and of course, neo-con Zionists.

[kathyn]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is propaganda, pure and simple. While I do believe that some international bankers and very powerful people are Jews, that's in spite of their being Jews and not because of it. If you believe the Protocols, that gives you an excuse to hate the Jews. And that puts you in company with skinheads, white supremacists and neo-Nazis. And that's not a good place to be.

[larsenb]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is propaganda, pure and simple. While I do believe that some international bankers and very powerful people are Jews, that's in spite of their being Jews and not because of it. If you believe the Protocols, that gives you an excuse to hate the Jews. And that puts you in company with skinheads, white supremacists and neo-Nazis. And that's not a good place to be.

A touchy subject, obviously. You could also say that because Karl Marx wrote Das Kapital, that would give you an excuse to hate the Jews.

For anyone to hate a whole group because someone in that group does or writes something evil, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

There are very arrogant, exclusionary Jews. Maybe even a small group who subscribe to the views in the Protocols. But you can say the same about many other groups.

If a group of skin heads or neo-Nazis write something about how they plan to subjugate the blacks, do I not believe they wrote what they did? If I do believe they wrote what they did, does that mean I agree with their agenda, or that I identify with their goals, OR that I then hate all whites? Obviously no.

The point being, white-supremacist, skinhead, racists do not have a monopoly on racism, arrogance and evil. Maybe there IS a faction, whether largely Jewish or not, who do believe in the agenda laid out by the Protocols, and who are actively working to bring to pass this agenda.

[Darren]

History teaches us many things about Ashkenazism:

An Ashkenazi Jew is a decendant of Japheth, not of Shem, and therefore is not a decedent of Abraham. Noah’s first-born son was Japheth, Japheth’s first-born son was Gomer, Gomer’s first-born son was Ashkenaz. Ashkenazi Jews make up close to 100% of all Jews, the self-proclaimed decedents of Ashkenaz.

A practicing Ashkenazi Jew is part of the false religion based on the doctrines of the ancient Pharisees, through a world wide control system of that false religion of their Exilarch and that religion's Synedrion.

An Ashkenazi Jew is anyone who adopts this false religion, but historically they are the descendents of Japheth, who were living in the Khazar or Parthian Empire based from Constantinople who have traditionally been ruled by the Exilarch and Synedrion of the Pharisee Religion. Ashkenazi Jews have thus been adopted into this Pharisee operated false Jewish Religion.

Christ identified these leaders as the parasites that they are in the New Testament.

Also, check out the "13th Tribe," a book by a Jewish Historian. This book and any Jewish Encyclopedia will tell you that Ashkenazi Jews are not Semitic, but Japhetic, Many official Jewish scholars and the bible say the same.

What does the scriptures say about Japheth's sons.

Genesis 10:
2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Again, if you take the bible to be reliable. Ashkenaz is a descendant of Japheth and not of Shem (Semitic). Therefore you have the term Ashkenazi Jews because they are descendant of Japheth and Jew because they practice the Pharisee established false Jewish Religion. A Pharisee made version of the ancient logic based Greek “Orthodox” religion or Orthodox Jew.

The Khazar or Parthian Empire converted to Judaism, under the rule of the Pharisees. It started with the Kings of the Empire and ruling class and overtime the citizens changed as well, having Christianity to the west and Islam to the east.

A Khazar King named Joseph, testified that he was a descendant of Togarmah, which supports the scriptural view. The letters have been authenticated and are without dispute in the historical community.

Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

This is what we are seeing now, Japheth dwelling in Shem's tents or promised land. The promises to Israel for returning was based upon their repentance and returning to His Law, which has not been the case with the Ashkenazi who predominately follow the Talmud and Kabbalah, of the Pharisee false Jewish Religion.

The Jewish Encyclopedia: "Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century ..."

Enough has been written and well documented, Ashkenazi Jews are no more Jewish than the Pope is Mormon.

The point of all of this is that many of the moneyed and ruling elite of Europe are Ashkenazi Jews, and it is by Orthodox religion they are establishing the Great and Abominable Church to control God's children.

To fight this movement is futile. But to live and work together by the Law displaces Satan's Church from amongst us.

God Bless,
Darren

[larsenb]

False start.

[larsenb]

2nd false start. I'll get it yet.

[Jason]

The protocols of the learned Elders of Zion is worth reading as I think it gives a very accurate picture of how we are viewed by those who would be our masters. I believe the authors very clearly showed their disdain and lack of empathy or sympathy with the "goyim".

Where I believe many are mislead is in actually believing that this group of people are "the Jews". In other words, I believe the group that wrote "the Learned Elders" (which I believe were either not Jews or at least were not representative of the Jews) wrote very honestly and frankly but then use the Jews as a scapegoat, writing as if it were the Jews, rather than themselves, who have such a view of humanity that the rest of us are to be treated as little more than beasts.

I believe that anyone who believes that the Protocols are accurate depiction of the Jews is quite misguided.

Amen!

Its a small group that in no way reflects the whole. Like saying the Pharisees, or Sadducees, or Essenes represented the entire Jewish people.

That said, I've spent fairly significant amount of time looking into the Protocols....and I think its for real. People are quick to spew racist comments about anyone who brings it up....but there is a long history there....and one can't help but see the truths manifest in a document that is over a hundred years old. A relative of mine stole a copy out of a library back east from the early 1900's. It definitely laid out the framework for the rise to power!

[Jason]

History teaches us many things about Ashkenazism:

An Ashkenazi Jew is a decendant of Japheth, not of Shem, and therefore is not a decedent of Abraham. Noah’s first-born son was Japheth, Japheth’s first-born son was Gomer, Gomer’s first-born son was Ashkenaz. Ashkenazi Jews make up close to 100% of all Jews, the self-proclaimed decedents of Ashkenaz.

A practicing Ashkenazi Jew is part of the false religion based on the doctrines of the ancient Pharisees, through a world wide control system of that false religion of their Exilarch and that religion's Synedrion.

An Ashkenazi Jew is anyone who adopts this false religion, but historically they are the descendents of Japheth, who were living in the Khazar or Parthian Empire based from Constantinople who have traditionally been ruled by the Exilarch and Synedrion of the Pharisee Religion. Ashkenazi Jews have thus been adopted into this Pharisee operated false Jewish Religion.

Christ identified these leaders as the parasites that they are in the New Testament.

Also, check out the "13th Tribe," a book by a Jewish Historian. This book and any Jewish Encyclopedia will tell you that Ashkenazi Jews are not Semitic, but Japhetic, Many official Jewish scholars and the bible say the same.

What does the scriptures say about Japheth's sons.

Genesis 10:
2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Again, if you take the bible to be reliable. Ashkenaz is a descendant of Japheth and not of Shem (Semitic). Therefore you have the term Ashkenazi Jews because they are descendant of Japheth and Jew because they practice the Pharisee established false Jewish Religion. A Pharisee made version of the ancient logic based Greek “Orthodox” religion or Orthodox Jew.

The Khazar or Parthian Empire converted to Judaism, under the rule of the Pharisees. It started with the Kings of the Empire and ruling class and overtime the citizens changed as well, having Christianity to the west and Islam to the east.

A Khazar King named Joseph, testified that he was a descendant of Togarmah, which supports the scriptural view. The letters have been authenticated and are without dispute in the historical community.

Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

This is what we are seeing now, Japheth dwelling in Shem's tents or promised land. The promises to Israel for returning was based upon their repentance and returning to His Law, which has not been the case with the Ashkenazi who predominately follow the Talmud and Kabbalah, of the Pharisee false Jewish Religion.

The Jewish Encyclopedia: "Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century ..."

Enough has been written and well documented, Ashkenazi Jews are no more Jewish than the Pope is Mormon.

The point of all of this is that many of the moneyed and ruling elite of Europe are Ashkenazi Jews, and it is by Orthodox religion they are establishing the Great and Abominable Church to control God's children.

To fight this movement is futile. But to live and work together by the Law displaces Satan's Church from amongst us.

God Bless,
Darren

Excellent info and thank you for posting that!!!

[Cowell]

12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
13 Their hand shall be lifted up upon their adversaries, and all their enemies shall be cut off.
14 Yea, wo be unto the Gentiles except they repent...

[larsenb]

The Jewish Encyclopedia: "Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century ..."

Enough has been written and well documented, Ashkenazi Jews are no more Jewish than the Pope is Mormon. Darren

Sorry Darren. Recent genetic studies don't support this at all. Far too simplistic, black-and-white and pat.

Genetic markers, especially from the Y chromosome are held in common with Sephardic Jews (which is a really broad label to cover Jews from Baghdad, Yemen, Mediterranean countries, including Palestine and Spain). Furthermore, both male and mitochondrial Female markers show a common middle-eastern origin. They do acknowledge traces among Ashkenazim DNA that may belong to the 'elusive' Khazars. But these are apparently minor.

For starters and for a more extensive treatment of the whole subject of the Ashkenazim, read the following Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

The Ashkenazim originated, in the Rhine River Valley of Germany, in relatively isolated Jewish settlements that developed their own Yidishkeit culture and languange (Yiddish, related to Hebrew, Aramaic and German). It was only later that they migrated to the more eastern European countries, including Russia. They have been known to have been there since at least the 4th Century.

So I essentially hold by what I said in my original post on this subject.

One small indication from my personal experience that supports this concept, is that I remember reading about a Jewish LDS convert named Schecter, who told of having manuscripts telling of his original forebears, handed down in his family from father to son for generations, that also named a particular Roman Ceasar who ruled at the time of this original forebear. Schecter is a Yiddish/Germanic surname, for instance. I remember being astonished at this claim, and amazed at the familial continuity over so many hundreds of years.

Another article from Wikipedia on the Khazars is illuminating, as well. Found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

This says the evidence indicates the Khazars (and probably only the upper crust, for the most part) converted to 'Judaism' in the 8th or 9th Century (not the 7th), but largely disappeared as a people in the 900's after being overun by Ghengis Khan's Golden hordes.

The article also indicates there was a strong migration of Jews from the Eastern Mediterranean and Byzantium into the Khazar region well before their 'conversion', and in fact these may have been a catalyst in helping the Khazars decide to convert. This supports what I speculated about in my earlier post.

The article also shows how there was much collaboration and visitation between Khazar converts and Jews from the Middle East and even Spain.

Here is an extract from the article on the probable cause for their conversion (it contains many links for which you will have to go to original):

Conversion to Judaism and relations with world Jewry

Jewish communities had existed in the Greek cities of the Black Sea coast since late classical times. Chersonesos, Sudak, Kerch and other Crimean cities possessed Jewish communities, as did Gorgippia, and Samkarsh / Tmutarakan was said to have had a Jewish majority as early as the 670s. Jews fled from Byzantium to Khazaria as a consequence of persecution under Heraclius, Justinian II, Leo III, and Romanos I.[11]

These were joined by other Jews fleeing from Sassanid Persia (particularly during the Mazdak revolts),[12] and, later, the Islamic world. Jewish merchants such as the Radhanites regularly traded in Khazar territory, and may have wielded significant economic and political influence. Though their origins and history are somewhat unclear, the Mountain Jews also lived in or near Khazar territory and may have been allied with or subject to Khazar overlordship; it is conceivable that they too played a role in the conversion.

At some point in the last decades of the 8th century or the early 9th century, the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism, and part of the general population followed.[13] The extent of the conversion is debated. Ibn al-Faqih reported in the 10th century that "all the Khazars are Jews." Notwithstanding this statement, some scholars believe that only the upper classes converted to Judaism; there is some support for this in contemporary Muslim texts.[14]

Essays in the Kuzari, written by Yehuda Halevi, detail a moral liturgical reason for the conversion which some consider a moral tale. Some researchers have suggested part of the reason for conversion was political expediency to maintain a degree of neutrality: the Khazar empire was between growing populations, Muslims to the east and Christians to the west. Both religions recognized Judaism as a forebear and worthy of some respect. The exact date of the conversion is hotly contested. It may have occurred as early as 740 or as late as the mid-800s. Recently discovered numismatic evidence suggests that Judaism was the established state religion by c. 830, and though St. Cyril (who visited Khazaria in 861) did not identify the Khazars as Jews, the khagan of that period, Zachariah, had a biblical Hebrew name. Some medieval sources give the name of the rabbi who oversaw the conversion of the Khazars as Isaac Sangari or Yitzhak ha-Sangari.
The first Jewish Khazar king was named Bulan which means "elk", though some sources give him the Hebrew name Sabriel. A later king, Obadiah, strengthened Judaism, inviting rabbis into the kingdom and built synagogues. Jewish figures such as Saadia Gaon made positive references to the Khazars, and they are excoriated in contemporary Karaite writings as "bastards"; it is therefore unlikely that they adopted Karaism as some (such as Avraham Firkovich) have proposed.

According to the Schechter Letter, early Khazar Judaism was centered on a tabernacle similar to that mentioned in the Book of Exodus. Archaeologists at Rostov-on-Don have tentatively identified a folding altar unearthed at Khumar as part of such a construct.
The Khazars enjoyed close relations with the Jews of the Levant and Persia. The Persian Jews, for example, hoped that the Khazars might succeed in conquering the Caliphate.[15] The high esteem in which the Khazars were held among the Jews of the Orient may be seen in the application to them, in an Arabic commentary on Isaiah ascribed by some to Saadia Gaon, and by others to Benjamin Nahawandi, of Isaiah 48:14: "The Lord hath loved him." "This," says the commentary, "refers to the Khazars, who will go and destroy Babel" (i.e., Babylonia), a name used to designate the country of the Arabs.[16] From the Khazar Correspondence it is apparent that two Spanish Jews, Judah ben Meir ben Nathan and Joseph Gagris, had succeeded in settling in the land of the Khazars. Saadia, who had a fair knowledge of the kingdom of the Khazars, mentions a certain Isaac ben Abraham who had removed from Sura to Khazaria.[17]

Likewise, the Khazar rulers viewed themselves as the protectors of international Jewry, and corresponded with foreign Jewish leaders (the letters exchanged between the Khazar ruler Joseph and the Spanish rabbi Hasdai ibn Shaprut have been preserved). They were known to retaliate against Muslim or Christian interests in Khazaria for persecution of Jews abroad. Ibn Fadlan relates that around 920 the Khazar ruler received information that Muslims had destroyed a synagogue in the land of Babung, in Iran; he gave orders that the minaret of the mosque in his capital should be broken off, and the muezzin executed. He further declared that he would have destroyed the mosque entirely had he not been afraid that the Muslims would in turn destroy all the synagogues in their lands. Similarly, during the persecutions of Byzantine Jews under Romanos I, the Khazar government retaliated by attacking Byzantine interests in the Crimea.

The theory that the majority of Ashkenazic Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theorists[18][19] and antisemitic sources[19][20][21][22] in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary,[23] and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs[24][25][26]) who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to downplay the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own. For more detail on this controversy, see below.

This should give you a flavor of how simplistic the assertions are regarding the Ashkenazim-Khazar relationship in previous posts.

[pjbrownie]

The protocols of the learned Elders of Zion is worth reading as I think it gives a very accurate picture of how we are viewed by those who would be our masters. I believe the authors very clearly showed their disdain and lack of empathy or sympathy with the "goyim".

Where I believe many are mislead is in actually believing that this group of people are "the Jews". In other words, I believe the group that wrote "the Learned Elders" (which I believe were either not Jews or at least were not representative of the Jews) wrote very honestly and frankly but then use the Jews as a scapegoat, writing as if it were the Jews, rather than themselves, who have such a view of humanity that the rest of us are to be treated as little more than beasts.

I believe that anyone who believes that the Protocols are accurate depiction of the Jews is quite misguided.

You know I've wondered about this. Seems all conspiracies trace back to the Protocols. Hitler used the protocols, and I certainly don't want to be in his camp. Yet I also believe there are conspiracies. Makes sense to expose conspiracies and then blame them on those you WANT to destroy. I don't buy it. The Jews were murdered in Communist Russia as they were Nazi Germany. When totalitarians have control, they go after the Jews. I can buy a Jewish civil war where some factions are setting up against another faction, but that's true in every culture, religion, and country. So let's stop picking on "the Jews" and pick on all Gadiantons.

Not to mention the fact that to follow the Protocols line of thought, and in some cases Infowars, you pit yourself on the wrong side of Armageddon. Follow the scriptures, folks.

[Darren]

The Jewish Encyclopedia: "Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century ..."

Enough has been written and well documented, Ashkenazi Jews are no more Jewish than the Pope is Mormon. Darren

Sorry Darren. Recent genetic studies don't support this at all. Far too simplistic, black-and-white and pat.

The Khazar, Ashkenazi Jews are the result of invading Huns, killing the fathers, sons, nephews, uncles of the indigenous lost tribes of Israel. Then what did the Hun army do with the women and children who were left? The genetic argument means nothing!

Then the Ashkenazi decedents of their lost tribes of Israel mothers and their Hun fathers became converted to the perverted and false religion of the Pharisees.

Ashkenazim is part of the Orthodox, Great and Abominable Church. Period. And that is the only point I wanted to make.

God Bless,
Darren