The Blessing Of Supporting the Troops

[LDSNZ]

That’s exactly what Ron Paul said in the debates. And then, 80 percent of the LDS in Utah who voted, voted for Mitt Romney based on his religious affiliation over and above an honest and wise individual we are to seek out and support.

Yep, I agree.

Maybe I stand to be corrected? But doesn't Ron Paul support gay rights?

Irrespective (& no I don't support gay rights) of the 2 evils, IMHO I think Ron Paul is the best option for US President, that's if he's standing again in the next elections. Is he?

Ron Paul said bring them home. I concur. Nice to get this affirmation.

Yep I concur too!

But maybe the Lord wants them to stay there a bit longer? (i.e) until the church is more firmly rooted in IRAQ?

But the sooner (if ever?) they're out, the better!

[fps.sledge]

So what does everyone think about troops serving an unjust war? Putting aside any legimatacy of the Afganistan or Iraq wars.

Let's say we decided to "give freedom" to the entire middle east. One country at a time. We invaded each country and attempted to install a gov't that we can influence. Anyone who violently opposed would be killed. "Our" troops right in the middle. Do we "support" them? Do we abandon them? Do we hate the leaders for putting them their?

I know there can be many "if" variables to this situation. But if that was the sole cause. If troops were to say "I don't know why we're really here, but these people need help, and we're going to give it to them." do we hail them for their optimism and efforts? To what to degree to we support them? DO we pray they will have a change of heart? Do we pray WE will have a change of heart?

[LDSNZ]

I wish the military en masse would have refused to deploy and stood up for their constitutional oaths, but that's not the world we live in..

I agree.

Is that what they call the blind leading the blind?

It is indeed not the world we live in. Satan uses social pressure and the ridiculousness of obedience to things and organizations instead of obedience to principles.

I agree.

If you have joined the military, then IMHO you have made a bad choice toxz subject yourself to Obama's whim and caprice.

I agree with that too!

You cannot serve two masters. If you join the military your master is Obama.

Interesting comment.

[Mosby]

But doesn't Ron Paul support gay rights?

No he doesn't at all. He has said that if gays want to get married then that's fine with him - but that anyone who chooses to not recognize that "marriage" is free to do so, which means, no penalities for those who exclude them as a "married" couple.

Paul believes that the government shouldn't be in the marriage business- I agree, it's a religious thing- not a government thing.

Paul's a true believer in real freedom

[Mosby]

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[iamse7en]

Yeah, just look at his comments about the California ruling:

[Ron Paul] has said that the effort of a federal official to change the definition of marriage is "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty." He stated further, "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages." The issue of gay marriage is one to be decided at the state-level by the citizens of the state, as the people of California did when they passed Proposition 8. Ron Paul supported the Defense of Marriage Act to ensure that the US Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause continued to allow one state to refuse to recognize the same-sex marriages of another state.

I don't think gay activists would say Ron Paul is on their side.

[LDSNZ]

Yeah, just look at his comments about the California ruling:

Ron Paul has said that the effort of a federal official to change the definition of marriage is "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty." He stated further, "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages." The issue of gay marriage is one to be decided at the state-level by the citizens of the state, as the people of California did when they passed Proposition 8. Ron Paul supported the Defense of Marriage Act to ensure that the US Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause continued to allow one state to refuse to recognize the same-sex marriages of another state.

I don't think gay activists would say Ron Paul is on their side.

Kool, thanx for that!

[Rensai]

Yeah, just look at his comments about the California ruling:

Ron Paul has said that the effort of a federal official to change the definition of marriage is "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty." He stated further, "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages." The issue of gay marriage is one to be decided at the state-level by the citizens of the state, as the people of California did when they passed Proposition 8. Ron Paul supported the Defense of Marriage Act to ensure that the US Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause continued to allow one state to refuse to recognize the same-sex marriages of another state.

I don't think gay activists would say Ron Paul is on their side.

Kool, thanx for that!

Ron paul's views are actually really easy to ascertain in most cases. He is a true constitutionalist. So take marriage. There is nothing in the constitution about marriage. Not a thing. So Ron, like any good constitutionalist defaults to the tenth amendment, which says any power not specifically granted to the federal government by the constitution, is reserved to the states or the people. It is very clear, the founders never intended marriage to be a federal issue, but unfortunately it is only one of thousands of way's they have usurped power from the states and the people.

[Amore Vero]

It is very clear, the founders never intended marriage to be a federal issue, but unfortunately it is only one of thousands of way's they have usurped power from the states and the people.

Actually the government has no power to create marriages anyway. Only God can say if a certain couple is really married according to his laws & not living in adultery, no matter how many civil marriage certificates a couple can get, gay or straight, federal or state. A civil law does not make a marriage moral. There are so many immoral remarriages these days, where people think they are really married.