The Blessing Of Supporting the Troops

[Jason]

SAN DIEGO – A Camp Pendleton Marine has relaunched his Facebook page criticizing President Barack Obama's health care policy after prompting a controversy over free speech that won him the support of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Sgt. Gary Stein took down his "Armed Forces Tea Party" page on Tuesday after he was called back to base.

Stein, 24, of Temecula said his superiors asked him to review Defense Department policy on political activities after they learned he was scheduled to give an interview to MSNBC about his Facebook page.

Stein relaunched the page Wednesday. By Thursday, it had nearly 500 fans and had received a flurry of comments, most praising him.

Stein can continue to administer the Facebook page as long as he doesn't violate the Pentagon's directive on political activities, Master Gunnery Sgt. Rhys A. Evans, a spokesman for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said Thursday.

"We're not in any means trying to censor Sgt. Stein. Not at all," Evans said. "More than anything, we just want to make sure that he was informed so that he doesn't venture into further (actions) where he would violate any rules."

Stein wasn't threatened or ordered to take down his page, nor will he be investigated or disciplined, Evans said.

"It was just a matter of Marines taking care of Marines," Evans said.

In an effort to keep the military from appearing to interfere with politics, Pentagon policy prohibits active-duty service members from taking part in partisan political fundraising, vote-solicitation or campaigning.

They also cannot speak before a partisan political gathering, run a partisan political club or take part in any broadcast or group discussion as an advocate or opponent of a partisan political party, candidate or cause.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_ ... strictions
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The joke commonly reiterated...."We live in a dictatorship so the rest of America can live in a democracy".

[Wiikwajio]

Actually truth be known....he's probably paid substantially more!

If time is calculated that may be true. But then the price of freedom is high and I do not feel guilty about the costs because the government got less from me than what I have cost them. And that is my main concern.

How much does your favorite hobby cost you?

My hobby is fighting tyrants.

[Wiikwajio]

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The joke commonly reiterated...."We live in a dictatorship so the rest of America can live in a democracy".

Democracy is tyranny. I want my Republic back.

And if you join the military you joined voluntarily. Involuntary servitude is unconstitutional, not voluntary servitude.

Why anyone would join the military knowing that Giddianhi is your commander-in-chief is just amazing to me. Why would anyone allow themselves to be placed in a position where Giddianhi could give them orders?

And if you believe we even have a democracy left you need to study more.

[Wiikwajio]

In Jesus' time the scribes and pharisees knew the law in and out. What did He say to them.......
Woe unto you
you hippocrites and vipers
and stuff like.......

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of aextortion and bexcess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, acleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto awhited bsepulchres, which indeed appear cbeautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all duncleanness.

I don't think He was impressed with knowledge of the law. I think He was pleased with the faithful, the meek, the humble, etc.

Those people were the ones in power.

How do you think He felt about Captain Moroni.

Alma 48: 11 And Moroni was a astrong and a mighty man; he was a man of a perfect understanding; yea, a man that did not delight in bloodshed; a man whose soul did joy in the liberty and the freedom of his country, and his brethren from bondage and slavery;
12 Yea, a man whose heart did swell with thanksgiving to his God, for the many privileges and blessings which he bestowed upon his people; a man who did labor exceedingly for the welfare and safety of his people.
13 Yea, and he was a man who was firm in the faith of Christ, and he had sworn with an oath to defend his people, his rights, and his country, and his religion, even to the loss of his blood.

I have given such an oath. I defend my right, the rights of other people, and my religion using the RFRA and other means, even to the lass of my blood. Don't you? Why not?

David 0. McKay said:
“Governments are the SERVANTS, not the MASTERS of the people. All who love the Constitution of the United States can vow with Thomas Jefferson, who, when president, said, ‘I have sworn upon the alter of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.’”

Jefferson also said:
“To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must take our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labors and in our amusements.
“If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy. The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our money for unexplained projects, forbids it in the disposition of public money. We are endeavoring to reduce the government to the practice of rigid economy to avoid burdening the people and arming the magistrate with a patronage of money which might be used to corrupt the principles of our government....”

Have you not taken the oaths of Captain Moroni and Jefferson along with McKay? Why Not?

[Jason]

Actually truth be known....he's probably paid substantially more!

If time is calculated that may be true. But then the price of freedom is high and I do not feel guilty about the costs because the government got less from me than what I have cost them. And that is my main concern.

How much does your favorite hobby cost you?

My hobby is fighting tyrants.

No need to get defensive. I wasn't putting you down. We all make our decisions according to our own priorities....and let the chips fall where they may.

Just pointing out that everyone pays a price for systemic dysfunction....no matter which side of the chopping block they fall on!

And the longer it goes and the worse it gets.....the higher the price.

[Jason]

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The joke commonly reiterated...."We live in a dictatorship so the rest of America can live in a democracy".

Democracy is tyranny. I want my Republic back.

And if you join the military you joined voluntarily. Involuntary servitude is unconstitutional, not voluntary servitude.

Why anyone would join the military knowing that Giddianhi is your commander-in-chief is just amazing to me. Why would anyone allow themselves to be placed in a position where Giddianhi could give them orders?

And if you believe we even have a democracy left you need to study more.

Blah blah blah blah blah. You have great difficulty playing any tune outside of your hate cops, military, etc.

It was a phrase commonly used. Well aware of what democracy really means (term for the transition from a republic to a oligarchy).

[Wiikwajio]

Some men and women feel truly led to be soldiers. Why can't that role be the measure of their creation? Are you possitive that the Lord can't use their offering and sacrifice to build His kingdom? I know many soldiers, some have served with a gun in these current conflicts, others have served in supportive roles. None of them relish even the idea of being required to kill another human being. But most of them feel the need to serve their country in this way at this time. Personal revelation leads them into these trials. They need our prayers so stay on His unique path for them.

GREAT POINTS. Great questions.

I am sure of nothing except that Jesus is the Christ, the Book of Mormon is everything it claims to be, that I have been given the Priesthood by lawful authority and my wife and kids love me. After that... well the jury is still out.

Each man has his calling. I guess the Lord could have reasons to have Latter-day Saints fight for Nazis and Stalin and Mao and Obama or Bush (but I am redundant). I guess there could be good Gadianton robbers?

But that seems to me to be indirect opposition to the Church teaching that you CANNOT lend aid , encouragement or sympathy to false isms. Does that instructions mean nothing? Can you honestly be a faith member of the Church and be on the governing board of the Federal Reserver Bank? ANd since the military in the USA is directly working to save the Federal Reserve Note what is the difference between supporting evil as a leader or as a volunteer?

Are you telling me that people can go in direct opposition to the published official teachings of the prophets and that is what God wants them to do it is okay? If that is what you are saying then I agree with you. Nephi killed Laban. Laban was a government official. Nehpi took Laban's sword and his armor and the plates of brass and did it all without government approval. He ended up a fugitive from justice. If Nephi had done that in this day and age he would have been declared to be a terrorist, traitor and enemy of the State. Kind of like Washington in 1776 AD.

I doubt the prophet at the time would have publicly declared that Nephi's act was approved of by God. Do you? Or would it have been couched in words like: "You cannot be faithful and lend aid and sympathy to evil leaders" so that men like Nephi could listen to the Spirit and understand what was required of him.

Tell me, do you believe that God would have us voluntarily place ourselves under the jurisdiction of a Commander-in-chief like Obama or GW Bush? We know these men are One World Shills and support false isms. Can anyone volunteer to serve a false ism and be a faithful member of the Church? Can a serial adulterer like Ben Franklin be doing God's will?

What about an evil tree can have no good fruit. Was that a lie? Truth is it probably is not true because it puts everything in to two camps. You are either evil or good and to me that is Calvinism and of the Devil if it is held to a strict standard and not a generalization standard.

I look forward to your opinions on these issues.

[Wiikwajio]

Actually truth be known....he's probably paid substantially more!

If time is calculated that may be true. But then the price of freedom is high and I do not feel guilty about the costs because the government got less from me than what I have cost them. And that is my main concern.

How much does your favorite hobby cost you?

My hobby is fighting tyrants.

No need to get defensive. I wasn't putting you down. We all make our decisions according to our own priorities....and let the chips fall where they may.

Just pointing out that everyone pays a price for systemic dysfunction....no matter which side of the chopping block they fall on!

And the longer it goes and the worse it gets.....the higher the price.

What I was pointing out is that if we stop volunteering to support these wasteful acts then they will end. How can anyone complain about waste when they voluntarily support it?

And the hobby, to me, is the cost I pay. I was pointing out that there are indeed costs but some of them are no more costly than doing what you love to do.

[Wiikwajio]

Blah blah blah blah blah. You have great difficulty playing any tune outside of your hate cops, military, etc.

I have been in a constant war with Cops and sycophant military since I was ten. I feel about them as Captain Moroni felt about Ammoron and men like him.

5 Behold, Ammoron, I have written unto you somewhat concerning this war which ye have waged against my people, or rather which thy abrother hath waged against them, and which ye are still determined to carry on after his death.
6 Behold, I would tell you somewhat concerning the ajustice of God, and the sword of his almighty wrath, which doth hang over you except ye repent and withdraw your armies into your own lands, or the land of your possessions, which is the land of Nephi.
7 Yea, I would tell you these things if ye were capable of hearkening unto them; yea, I would tell you concerning that awful ahell that awaits to receive such bmurderers as thou and thy brother have been, except ye repent and withdraw your murderous purposes, and return with your armies to your own lands.
8 But as ye have once rejected these things, and have fought against the people of the Lord, even so I may expect you will do it again.

[LDSNZ]

I think people who support our troops are no different than people who supported the Nazis. Prove me wrong.

Yes with both eyes open, I agree.

And before you let your emotions take over and you respond to this post irrationally, just remember, I'm sure there were many Nazi's with good intentions.

Amen.

We have a pavlovian response to the word Nazi. Much of the world has the same response to the phrase "American soldier," unfortunately.

True.

The manipulation by the 4th Reich NWO of the US Govt to globalise positions of it's military forces for the purpose of: controlling, dominating & exploitating both the oil & opium resources (not to mention rebuilding (of IRAQ) contracts going to Halliburtons & goodness knows to who or what else?) IRAQ & Afghanistan (& many other countries) is in my view abhorrent!

& yes you're right Cowell, the word american soldier (bearing in mind there are many good men & women therein both lds & non lds who've joined the military are ignorant of NWO agenda's) is becoming synonymous to the word Nazi.

For me I'd prefer to take a similar stance as the world boxing champion Cassius Clay ... (aka Muhammad Ali, been motivated by his beliefs he refused to be forced into the military by Aunty Sam! & was sentenced to imprisonment for 5 years) .... as opposed to participating in these iniquitous & abominable NWO created wars.

Regretfully the same spirit that controls them Is present in the NZ & AUS Govt's, who've also sent in supporting troops.

Those of you who don't see it, aren't true patriots in my opinion.

So likewise with those in my own country, who are blinded by ignorance, complacency & the attitdue: "yeah she'll be right mate, they're the good guys".

Not excluding the 4th reich hypocritically inspired phrase & so called: "war on terror".

I support our troops, just the same way German citizens who loved their country would have supported their men in uniform, but if you don't see the evil behind what our country is doing, you have been deceived. And you must not love our country as much as I do, otherwise you would understand our history and the treasonous things that are going on.

Well said

because your complaining won't change the evil going on.

Amen to that.

As it's the sabbath here 12.17pm, got get ready for church at 1pm. To be continued.

Cheers!

[Wiikwajio]

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Our Heroes in action. How sad that anyone would volunteer to support anyone that was connected with these type of things.

Why are we there?

Why would anyone allow Marxist Obama to be their Commander-in-Chief? He is a Gadianton Robber and people that volunteer to serve make Obama their commander. WHY?

[Wiikwajio]

How much have you spent fighting the IRS over the years? How much time? What's the opportunity cost involved there?

You pay...just like everyone else!

Did Captain Moroni pay the Lamanites when he fought them because it cost Captain Moroni time?

How about Helaman?

Are you honestly claiming that because their are cost involved in the fight against Tyranny that it is the same as you giving your labor to them as a gift while singing their voluntary form under penalty of perjury that you owe?

I guess we are all just paying taxes to Satan because we have a war in heaven and some fight him while others join his ranks?

When I use a bullet to kill an enemy in a war am I paying taxes to him because the bullet had cost to make?

[AussieOi]

Why would anyone allow Marxist Obama to be their Commander-in-Chief? He is a Gadianton Robber and people that volunteer to serve make Obama their commander. WHY?

because when he made his promises he cleansed their conscience that they wanted change but were not prepared to do anything about it, and he said he would

[AussieOi]

How much have you spent fighting the IRS over the years? How much time? What's the opportunity cost involved there?

You pay...just like everyone else!

Did Captain Moroni pay the Lamanites when he fought them because it cost Captain Moroni time?

How about Helaman?

Are you honestly claiming that because their are cost involved in the fight against Tyranny that it is the same as you giving your labor to them as a gift while singing their voluntary form under penalty of perjury that you owe?

I guess we are all just paying taxes to Satan because we have a war in heaven and some fight him while others join his ranks?

When I use a bullet to kill an enemy in a war am I paying taxes to him because the bullet had cost to make?

what you mean to say is that members are buying the condom, viagra, mask and packing tape for the serial rapist, and repeating to themselves that he is the gynaecologist

[AussieOi]

It has been 7 years since President Hinckley gave the "War and Peace" talk in which he said, "The present war is really an outgrowth and continuation of that conflict. Hopefully it is now drawing to a conclusion."

i have often wondered that if he were more specific in saying "we should have no part in these wars of aggression and we are largely the fault blame and cause of much turmoil and misery throughout the world" would LDS members have continued to embrace these wars for the following 7 years???

Alas, along came cheney, out went Jones and in came more of the same.

[AussieOi]

I wish the military en masse would have refused to deploy and stood up for their constitutional oaths, but that's not the world we live in..

because people such as yourself support them no matter what perhaps?

[AussieOi]

Why anyone would join the military knowing that Giddianhi is your commander-in-chief is just amazing to me. Why would anyone allow themselves to be placed in a position where Giddianhi could give them orders?

Because God. Told. Me. To.

Or so they tell themselves.

Thus they are truly pathologically dangerous

[Wiikwajio]

How much have you spent fighting the IRS over the years? How much time? What's the opportunity cost involved there?

You pay...just like everyone else!

Did Captain Moroni pay the Lamanites when he fought them because it cost Captain Moroni time?

How about Helaman?

Are you honestly claiming that because their are cost involved in the fight against Tyranny that it is the same as you giving your labor to them as a gift while singing their voluntary form under penalty of perjury that you owe?

I guess we are all just paying taxes to Satan because we have a war in heaven and some fight him while others join his ranks?

When I use a bullet to kill an enemy in a war am I paying taxes to him because the bullet had cost to make?

what you mean to say is that members are buying the condom, viagra, mask and packing tape for the serial rapist, and repeating to themselves that he is the gynaecologist

:lo

Yes!

[Wiikwajio]

what you mean to say is that members are buying the condom, viagra, mask and packing tape for the serial rapist, and repeating to themselves that he is the gynaecologist

I just read that to my wife and she says she needs to meet you. She says you sound scrappy and we need more scrappy men in the USA.

[Wiikwajio]

I wish the military en masse would have refused to deploy and stood up for their constitutional oaths, but that's not the world we live in..

because people such as yourself support them no matter what perhaps?

It is indeed not the world we live in. Satan uses social pressure and the ridiculousness of obedience to things and organizations instead of obedience to principles.

I would NOT (knowing what I know today) have taken my son out to sacrifice him just because some being, claiming to be an angel, told me to kill my son.

I understand that there is an old version of Genesis that says God was mad at Abraham for needing to be stopped by the angel. I believe that.

If you are willing to kill your own child at the command of someone claiming to be in authority then you have made a bad choice in using your free agency.

If you have joined the military, then IMHO you have made a bad choice to subject yourself to Obama's whim and caprice.

Armies are built one man at a time. They are destroyed one man at a time. We do missionary work one man at a time.

You cannot serve two masters. If you join the military your master is Obama.

[AussieOi]

what you mean to say is that members are buying the condom, viagra, mask and packing tape for the serial rapist, and repeating to themselves that he is the gynaecologist

I just read that to my wife and she says she needs to meet you. She says you sound scrappy and we need more scrappy men in the USA.

quite a compliment but the lord put me here in Oz for a reason

i think the reason is I'd have been arrested loooooong ago. long ago.

i can't stand being raked over by a system of ANALysts and theRAPISTs.

its bad enough here, but at least I don't have a constitution and words of prophets ringing in my ears telling me what I know i should do, while listening to other afraid telling me........but "president" oaks pays his taxes..............and ...............I don't hear President MOnson telling us to oppose them...and so on

i'd do a paul craig roberts and say i give up, move to mexico with jesse ventura and go surfing

[Wiikwajio]

what you mean to say is that members are buying the condom, viagra, mask and packing tape for the serial rapist, and repeating to themselves that he is the gynaecologist

I just read that to my wife and she says she needs to meet you. She says you sound scrappy and we need more scrappy men in the USA.

quite a compliment but the lord put me here in Oz for a reason

i think the reason is I'd have been arrested loooooong ago. long ago.

i can't stand being raked over by a system of ANALysts and theRAPISTs.

its bad enough here, but at least I don't have a constitution and words of prophets ringing in my ears telling me what I know i should do, while listening to other afraid telling me........but "president" oaks pays his taxes..............and ...............I don't hear President MOnson telling us to oppose them...and so on

i'd do a paul craig roberts and say i give up, move to mexico with jesse ventura and go surfing

A lot of my friends are leaving the USA. A whole family just left because of religious and freedom over their own health reasons.

My wife would still like to meet you some day.

[AussieOi]

A lot of my friends are leaving the USA. A whole family just left because of religious and freedom over their own health reasons.

My wife would still like to meet you some day.

next life.
god willing

[LDSNZ]

The illegal war on or in IRAQ, Afghanistan etc. I've found (like many in here) quite repugnant & makes me wanna puke!

But having a knowledge that the gospel must go into every country before the second coming, humbles me much (tho I do find it quite a struggle & dfficult to deal with at times).

Hence from a spiritual perspective & in terms of the coalition forces (iniquitous as their NWO commanders in chief maybe), it is my testimony that the primary reason for the invasion of IRAQ etc, is to fulfil the above prophecy!

If yous aren't yet aware?

You can go here & read about Col. Guy Hollingsworth been called as a District President in IRAQ.

[iamse7en]

I tend to agree with Cowell, in that I think the troops are serving evil masters and their causes overall. I know that for myself, I would not feel good about being a soldier right now. However, there are plenty of stories of good men who temper the more rash/immoral members of their squads and prevent atrocities. I know there are many good, decent people in the military who may wrongly believe in the war on terrorism, etc, but still stand for good in every way they know. I admire these people. With all the lies and propaganda, I've no doubt we're all deceived about something; probably a lot of somethings. They are doing what they believe is right and that's something.

I like to think that at the least, these good men and women serving are doing things to make things a little better in the war. Imagine if every decent person had refused to deploy? I don't know what all the effects of that would have been, but I'm willing to bet there would be a lot more stories about innocent people being gunned down by our troops. All I know is, the troops I do know all say they are where they feel they need to be and they are making the best of it. That's good enough for me. They aren't perfect people, but they are good people even if they don't see how they are being used. I wish the military en masse would have refused to deploy and stood up for their constitutional oaths, but that's not the world we live in. Maybe the lord does want some good men mixed into this war for the reasons I've stated or others unknown to me. All I can say for sure is, I don't support the mission, I don't support the troops who torture or rape; But I do support the troops who are doing their best to be upstanding human beings and believe in the cause whether they are deceived or not.

From An Enemy Hath Done This, p. 185:

The key to a solution of the problems in Vietnam is an understanding that we have no business being there in the first place — at least not under the present conditions or authority. Nevertheless, we are there and we are involved, so what do we do now? Since we shouldn’t be there in the first place, we should now concentrate on doing whatever is necessary to bring our boys home.

That’s exactly what Ron Paul said in the debates. And then, 80 percent of the LDS in Utah who voted, voted for Mitt Romney based on his religious affiliation over and above an honest and wise individual we are to seek out and support.

That was a large majority piling into the hand basket!

Ron Paul said bring them home. I concur. Nice to get this affirmation.

Thank you for your thoughts Dr. Mindbender.

These comments make me think of this very interesting fact during the '08 Election: Ron Paul had, by far, the most donations from our troops. I know it says a lot about Dr. Paul and his positions, but it also speaks volumes about our troops.