The Blessing Of Supporting the Troops

[Wiikwajio]

http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... -tortured/

We should not support the troops because it encourages evil to continue.

[Henmasher]

http://www.independentamerican.org/2010 ... -tortured/

We should not support the troops because it encourages evil to continue.

Sounds like Uncle Sam isn't supporing them either
So should we support them or not

[KalelIsbell]

We should not support the troops because it encourages evil to continue.

That is the single dumbest thing i have ever heard a so called American ever say

I agree the Government is going down an evil path
but to not support the Troops because they are fighting a war that they never asked to fight, the leaders in the government did. is in my opinion EVIL.
when this happened President Hinkley said that right or wrong we should support the brave men and women who are asked to fight it,,,

[Spence]

. Won't even waste my breath.

[Wiikwajio]

We should not support the troops because it encourages evil to continue.

That is the single dumbest thing i have ever heard a so called American ever say

I agree the Government is going down an evil path
but to not support the Troops because they are fighting a war that they never asked to fight, the leaders in the government did. is in my opinion EVIL.
when this happened President Hinkley said that right or wrong we should support the brave men and women who are asked to fight it,,,

So when the volunteered did they understand that the USA has not had a declared war since WWII and that they are in over 100 countries with the military?

So I guess Helmuth was wrong since he did not support the Commander in Chief or Germany. If you don't support the leader does not mean you don't support the troops?

I thought we were not to lend aid to false isms. If you support the people that support the false isms are you not lending aid to the false ism? Hate the ism but not the supporter of the ism? Feed clothe house the people that support the false isms? That darn Captain Moroni sure did not follow that commandment very well while he was butchering the supporters of false isms.

Where do we draw the line. When our troops are involved in an undeclared war and in doing so supporting the destruction of our liberties why should I give aid and comfort TO MY ENEMY. Are you honestly claiming that men that fight for world government are not your enemy?

The men torturing these military men ARE MILITARY MEN. Should we support all sides? Where does it end. Where does it begin?

When a mother of two joins the military knowing full well she could be sent to Iraq should we support her choices?

And PLEASE give us that actual quote by President Hinckley so we can read it in context.

[Wiikwajio]

. Won't even waste my breath.

So you can remain lukewarm?

[Henmasher]

. Won't even waste my breath.

So you can remain lukewarm?

Get too Hot and you might BURN yourself 8)
Can you say Lake of FIre and Brimstone

[Like]

I support the troops coming home and quitting. Wiikwajio is right in my opinion.

[patriotsaint]

. Won't even waste my breath.

So you can remain lukewarm?

Translation: Disagree with Wiikwajio and you are a lukewarn, socialist , apostate, marxist.


How must it feel to be the only person in the Church with a clue?


For the record: I want the troops home and the wars stopped, but man......your labeling of anyone that doesn't accept your opinions gets old.

[skmo]

...That is the single dumbest thing i have ever heard a so called American ever say...

I would say Chris is an American in the same twisted way that Harry Reid is a good Latter Day Saint.

[Cowell]

I think people who support our troops are no different than people who supported the Nazis. Prove me wrong.

And before you let your emotions take over and you respond to this post irrationally, just remember, I'm sure there were many Nazi's with good intentions. We have a pavlovian response to the word Nazi. Much of the world has the same response to the phrase "American soldier," unfortunately. Those of you who don't see it, aren't true patriots in my opinion.

I support our troops, just the same way German citizens who loved their country would have supported their men in uniform, but if you don't see the evil behind what our country is doing, you have been deceived. And you must not love our country as much as I do, otherwise you would understand our history and the treasonous things that are going on.

Remember:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So before you just let Wiikwajio have it...even if you disagree, I would suggest you be a little more tactful in choosing your battles, because your complaining won't change the evil going on.

[Jason]

I think people who support our troops are no different than people who supported the Nazis. Prove me wrong.

And before you let your emotions take over and you respond to this post irrationally, just remember, I'm sure there were many Nazi's with good intentions. We have a pavlovian response to the word Nazi. Much of the world has the same response to the phrase "American soldier," unfortunately. Those of you who don't see it, aren't true patriots in my opinion.

I support our troops, just the same way German citizens who loved their country would have supported their men in uniform, but if you don't see the evil behind what our country is doing, you have been deceived. And you must not love our country as much as I do, otherwise you would understand our history and the treasonous things that are going on.

Remember:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So before you just let Wiikwajio have it...even if you disagree, I would suggest you be a little more tactful in choosing your battles, because your complaining won't change the evil going on.

I find it terribly ironic that those who say we ought not to support the troops are also the ones calling for the troops to step up and save the Constitution!

[Wiikwajio]

...That is the single dumbest thing i have ever heard a so called American ever say...

I would say Chris is an American in the same twisted way that Harry Reid is a good Latter Day Saint.

I didn't know that being an American meant you agreed to specific doctrines.

What are they? Do you know?

Do I follow the teachings of Joseph Smith on the subject? You I follow the vast majority of the teachings of Grant, McKay and Benson on what a real American is?

Do you? Or do you just say you do while your actions prove you wrong every time?

[Wiikwajio]

I find it terribly ironic that those who say we ought not to support the troops are also the ones calling for the troops to step up and save the Constitution!

Well I do believe that sinners should repent and do what their own oaths say they are supposed to do. Is that evil to want people to live up to their oath they took?

[Wiikwajio]

. Won't even waste my breath.

So you can remain lukewarm?

Translation: Disagree with Wiikwajio and you are a lukewarn, socialist , apostate, marxist.

How must it feel to be the only person in the Church with a clue?

For the record: I want the troops home and the wars stopped, but man......your labeling of anyone that doesn't accept your opinions gets old.

Not at all. Many people that disagree with me are simply ignorant of the truth, have never read a court case, have never run for office, have never been involved in changing a law by doing more than casting a vote. Libertarians certainly are not lukewarn, socialist , apostate, marxist and they disagree with me too.

And I am certainly not the only person in the Church with a clue. I know many frustrated liberty loving members that eschew socialism instead of embracing it.

I am glad you explained your post that you want to bring the troops home instead of just saying you would not waste your breath when their were two different opinions posted.

Labeling? You mean like how I am called apostate or near to apostasy or having a screw loose or the only person in the Church with a clue, etc. etc. I understand you are to love your neighbor as yourself. When was the last tike you criticized anyone that "labeled" me?

And if the label fits, wear it proudly. If it causes your discomfort then prove you are not what was claimed or stop doing things that make me or others believe you are worthy of the label. If I called you a Latter-day Saint would you feel wrongly labeled?

[Wiikwajio]

. Won't even waste my breath.

So you can remain lukewarm?

Get too Hot and you might BURN yourself 8)
Can you say Lake of FIre and Brimstone

I always found it interesting that Christ never said if hot or cold was right. He just wanred us to be one or the other and not lukewarm.

So why did you select hot as being evil?

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the afaithful and true witness, the bbeginning of the ccreation of God;
15 I know thy aworks, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art alukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will bspue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am arich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

[Cowell]

I find it terribly ironic that those who say we ought not to support the troops are also the ones calling for the troops to step up and save the Constitution!

Again, I do support our troops. Just not blindly.

[Spence]

I seriously wonder if some of these folks saying not to support the troops have ever read the Book of Mormon.

You know Mormon, that guy who fought in all those wicked battles because the Nephites were a wicked people. Ask Mormon and Moroni how it felt to put their lives on the line knowing full well they were being sent to wars that they had no righteous grounds fighting. You will get a chance to ask them.

But keep condemning all the "lesser" members.

Oh and btw, I know for a fact, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, as a US Soldier that putting on this uniform once a month is exactly, precisely, where my Father in Heaven wants me to be at this very exact moment, and yes at this very exact time when we are fighting wars which the Lord and I, and many of my fellow soldiers aren't happy nor agree with.

But that is alright, I don't do this for any of you, so I certainly don't need your support, the Saviors, my family and my friends is more than enough.

Oh an yes, I know this will just bounce off your deaf ears Chris.

[Carlos]

I do support our troops. Just not blindly.

I think people who support our troops are no different than people who supported the Nazis.

[NamasteMama]

We should not support the troops because it encourages evil to continue.

That is the single dumbest thing i have ever heard a so called American ever say

I agree the Government is going down an evil path
but to not support the Troops because they are fighting a war that they never asked to fight, the leaders in the government did. is in my opinion EVIL.
when this happened President Hinkley said that right or wrong we should support the brave men and women who are asked to fight it,,,

Umm those guys who are fighting signed up under their free will, no one forced them, it wasn't a draft or anything. A draft is where you are forced to fight. Last time I checked there hasn't been a draft in some time.

[Wiikwajio]

I seriously wonder if some of these folks saying not to support the troops have ever read the Book of Mormon.

You know Mormon, that guy who fought in all those wicked battles because the Nephites were a wicked people. Ask Mormon and Moroni how it felt to put their lives on the line knowing full well they were being sent to wars that they had no righteous grounds fighting. You will get a chance to ask them.

But keep condemning all the "lesser" members.

Interesting point. And I have read the Book of Mormon with a passion. Therefore I fully understand that you have a small problem with your logic. Mormon did continue to condemn the wicked Nephites, even while leading them against an Army THAT WAS INVADING THE NEPHITE'S COUNTRY.

He did not lead them in a war in Lamanite country. It was a defensive battle on home turf. Do you have any Book of Mormon justification of an offensive war? I could not recall any such war in the Book of Mormon. Now the Bible is indeed a different book. There is plenty of offensive wars in that book. If you want to justify your offensive undeclared and therefore unconstitutional wars you should probably use the Bible. Could I suggest Numbers Chapter 31 and Joshua Chapter 10. Are you claiming Obama or Bush were commanded by God to invade and conquer Iraq?

1 And it came to pass that I did go forth among the Nephites, and did repent of the oath which I had made that I would no more assist them; and they gave me command again of their armies, for they looked upon me as though I could deliver them from their afflictions.
2 But behold, I was without hope, for I knew the judgments of the Lord which should come upon them; for they repented not of their iniquities, but did struggle for their lives without calling upon that Being who created them.

Moroni Chapter 9 does a bit of condemning of the "lesser" members too.

7 And now I write somewhat concerning the sufferings of this people. For according to the knowledge which I have received from Amoron, behold, the Lamanites have many prisoners, which they took from the tower of Sherrizah; and there were men, women, and children.
8 And the husbands and fathers of those women and children they have slain; and they feed the women upon the aflesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers; and no water, save a little, do they give unto them.
9 And notwithstanding this great aabomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and dvirtue—
10 And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most acruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.
11 O my beloved son, how can a people like this, that are without civilization—
12 (And only a few years have passed away, and they were a civil and a delightsome people)
13 But O my son, how can a people like this, whose delight is in so much abomination—
14 How can we expect that God will stay his hand in judgment against us?
15 Behold, my heart cries: Wo unto this people. Come out in judgment, O God, and hide their sins, and wickedness, and abominations from before thy face!

That is exactly how I feel about America. Come out in judgment, O God, and hide their sins, and wickedness, and abominations from before thy face!

Oh and btw, I know for a fact, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, as a US Soldier that putting on this uniform once a month is exactly, precisely, where my Father in Heaven wants me to be at this very exact moment, and yes at this very exact time when we are fighting wars which the Lord and I, and many of my fellow soldiers aren't happy nor agree with.

Then do what you believe God wants you to do. God must need you where you are. But I will continue to call a spade a spade and condemn those that volunteer to support Obama as Commander-in-Cheif by subjecting themselves to the unconstitutional Commands of man that is no less wicked than Giddianhi. 3 Ne. 4: 5-10, 12, 14

But that is alright, I don't do this for any of you, so I certainly don't need your support, the Saviors, my family and my friends is more than enough.

True. That is indeed all you need. Do you believe I get any outside support more than you do for my battles?

Oh an yes, I know this will just bounce off your deaf ears Chris.

Not at all. I obviously completely agree with you. And thank you for the Mormon comparison. It was so perfect to show the absolute errors in your logic and justifications. I hope I could help with the Biblical citations. The Book of Mormon is just not good for justifications of foreign and non-defensive wars.

So you go on and keep taking those orders from your Commander-in-Chief that is a man you know is evil and a Marxist.

How did Moroni put it? 11 For behold, a bitter fountain cannot bring forth good water; neither can a good fountain bring forth bitter water; wherefore, a man being a servant of the devil cannot follow Christ; and if he follow Christ he cannot be a servant of the devil.

So is Obama a bitter fountain or a good fountain in your beliefs?

And yet you volunteer to allow him to commanded you in matters of life and death. Interesting. Perhaps you can explain to me why. I honestly do not understand such reasoning.

[KalelIsbell]

The Times in Which We Live
President Gordon B. Hinckley


"Our safety lies in repentance. Our strength comes of obedience to the commandments of God."



My beloved brethren and sisters, I accept this opportunity in humility. I pray that I may be guided by the Spirit of the Lord in that which I say.


I have just been handed a note that says that a U.S. missile attack is under way. I need not remind you that we live in perilous times. I desire to speak concerning these times and our circumstances as members of this Church.

You are acutely aware of the events of September 11, less than a month ago. Out of that vicious and ugly attack we are plunged into a state of war. It is the first war of the 21st century. The last century has been described as the most war-torn in human history. Now we are off on another dangerous undertaking, the unfolding of which and the end thereof we do not know. For the first time since we became a nation, the United States has been seriously attacked on its mainland soil. But this was not an attack on the United States alone. It was an attack on men and nations of goodwill everywhere. It was well planned, boldly executed, and the results were disastrous. It is estimated that more than 5,000 innocent people died. Among these were many from other nations. It was cruel and cunning, an act of consummate evil.

Recently, in company with a few national religious leaders, I was invited to the White House to meet with the president. In talking to us he was frank and straightforward.

That same evening he spoke to the Congress and the nation in unmistakable language concerning the resolve of America and its friends to hunt down the terrorists who were responsible for the planning of this terrible thing and any who harbored such.

Now we are at war. Great forces have been mobilized and will continue to be. Political alliances are being forged. We do not know how long this conflict will last. We do not know what it will cost in lives and treasure. We do not know the manner in which it will be carried out. It could impact the work of the Church in various ways.

Our national economy has been made to suffer. It was already in trouble, and this has compounded the problem. Many are losing their employment. Among our own people, this could affect welfare needs and also the tithing of the Church. It could affect our missionary program.

We are now a global organization. We have members in more than 150 nations. Administering this vast worldwide program could conceivably become more difficult.

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent. Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.

We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, "Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength."

Members of the Church in this and other nations are now involved with many others in a great international undertaking. On television we see those of the military leaving their loved ones, knowing not whether they will return. It is affecting the homes of our people. Unitedly, as a Church, we must get on our knees and invoke the powers of the Almighty in behalf of those who will carry the burdens of this campaign.

No one knows how long it will last. No one knows precisely where it will be fought. No one knows what it may entail before it is over. We have launched an undertaking the size and nature of which we cannot see at this time.

Occasions of this kind pull us up sharply to a realization that life is fragile, peace is fragile, civilization itself is fragile. The economy is particularly vulnerable. We have been counseled again and again concerning self-reliance, concerning debt, concerning thrift. So many of our people are heavily in debt for things that are not entirely necessary. When I was a young man, my father counseled me to build a modest home, sufficient for the needs of my family, and make it beautiful and attractive and pleasant and secure. He counseled me to pay off the mortgage as quickly as I could so that, come what may, there would be a roof over the heads of my wife and children. I was reared on that kind of doctrine. I urge you as members of this Church to get free of debt where possible and to have a little laid aside against a rainy day.

We cannot provide against every contingency. But we can provide against many contingencies. Let the present situation remind us that this we should do.

As we have been continuously counseled for more than 60 years, let us have some food set aside that would sustain us for a time in case of need. But let us not panic nor go to extremes. Let us be prudent in every respect. And, above all, my brothers and sisters, let us move forward with faith in the Living God and His Beloved Son.

Great are the promises concerning this land of America. We are told unequivocally that it "is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ" (Ether 2:12). This is the crux of the entire matter—obedience to the commandments of God.

The Constitution under which we live, and which has not only blessed us but has become a model for other constitutions, is our God-inspired national safeguard ensuring freedom and liberty, justice and equality before the law.

I do not know what the future holds. I do not wish to sound negative, but I wish to remind you of the warnings of scripture and the teachings of the prophets which we have had constantly before us.

I cannot forget the great lesson of Pharaoh's dream of the fat and lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn.

I cannot dismiss from my mind the grim warnings of the Lord as set forth in the 24th chapter of Matthew.

I am familiar, as are you, with the declarations of modern revelation that the time will come when the earth will be cleansed and there will be indescribable distress, with weeping and mourning and lamentation (see D&C 112:24).

Now, I do not wish to be an alarmist. I do not wish to be a prophet of doom. I am optimistic. I do not believe the time is here when an all-consuming calamity will overtake us. I earnestly pray that it may not. There is so much of the Lord's work yet to be done. We, and our children after us, must do it.

I can assure you that we who are responsible for the management of the affairs of the Church will be prudent and careful as we have tried to be in the past. The tithes of the Church are sacred. They are appropriated in the manner set forth by the Lord Himself. We have become a very large and complex organization. We carry on many extensive and costly programs. But I can assure you that we will not exceed our income. We will not place the Church in debt. We will tailor what we do to the resources that are available.

How grateful I am for the law of tithing. It is the Lord's law of finance. It is set forth in a few words in the 119th section of the Doctrine and Covenants. It comes of His wisdom. To every man and woman, to every boy and girl, to every child in this Church who pays an honest tithing, be it large or small, I express gratitude for the faith that is in your hearts. I remind you, and those who do not pay tithing but who should, that the Lord has promised marvelous blessings (see Mal. 3:10–12). He has also promised that "he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming" (D&C 64:23).

I express appreciation to those who pay a fast offering. This costs the giver nothing other than going without two meals a month. It becomes the backbone of our welfare program, designed to assist those in distress.

Now, all of us know that war, contention, hatred, suffering of the worst kind are not new. The conflict we see today is but another expression of the conflict that began with the War in Heaven. I quote from the book of Revelation:

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

"And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ" (Rev. 12:7–10).

That must have been a terrible conflict. The forces of evil were pitted against the forces of good. The great deceiver, the son of the morning, was defeated and banished, and took with him a third of the hosts of heaven.

The book of Moses and the book of Abraham shed further light concerning this great contest. Satan would have taken from man his agency and taken unto himself all credit and honor and glory. Opposed to this was the plan of the Father which the Son said He would fulfill, under which He came to earth and gave His life to atone for the sins of mankind.

From the day of Cain to the present, the adversary has been the great mastermind of the terrible conflicts that have brought so much suffering.

Treachery and terrorism began with him. And they will continue until the Son of God returns to rule and reign with peace and righteousness among the sons and daughters of God.

Through centuries of time, men and women, so very, very many, have lived and died. Some may die in the conflict that lies ahead. To us, and we bear solemn testimony of this, death will not be the end. There is life beyond this as surely as there is life here. Through the great plan which became the very essence of the War in Heaven, men shall go on living.

Job asked, "If a man die, shall he live again?" (Job 14:14). He replied: "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

"And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

"Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another" (Job 19:25–27).

Now, brothers and sisters, we must do our duty, whatever that duty might be. Peace may be denied for a season. Some of our liberties may be curtailed. We may be inconvenienced. We may even be called on to suffer in one way or another. But God our Eternal Father will watch over this nation and all of the civilized world who look to Him. He has declared, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord" (Ps. 33:12). Our safety lies in repentance. Our strength comes of obedience to the commandments of God.

Let us be prayerful. Let us pray for righteousness. Let us pray for the forces of good. Let us reach out to help men and women of goodwill, whatever their religious persuasion and wherever they live. Let us stand firm against evil, both at home and abroad. Let us live worthy of the blessings of heaven, reforming our lives where necessary and looking to Him, the Father of us all. He has said, "Be still, and know that I am God" (Ps. 46:10).

Are these perilous times? They are. But there is no need to fear. We can have peace in our hearts and peace in our homes. We can be an influence for good in this world, every one of us.

May the God of heaven, the Almighty, bless us, help us, as we walk our various ways in the uncertain days that lie ahead. May we look to Him with unfailing faith. May we worthily place our reliance on His Beloved Son who is our great Redeemer, whether it be in life or in death, is my prayer in His holy name, even the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

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thats all i have to say on the subject

[patriotsaint]

Not at all. Many people that disagree with me are simply ignorant of the truth, have never read a court case, have never run for office, have never been involved in changing a law by doing more than casting a vote. Libertarians certainly are not lukewarn, socialist , apostate, marxist and they disagree with me too.

And I am certainly not the only person in the Church with a clue. I know many frustrated liberty loving members that eschew socialism instead of embracing it.

I am glad you explained your post that you want to bring the troops home instead of just saying you would not waste your breath when their were two different opinions posted.

Labeling? You mean like how I am called apostate or near to apostasy or having a screw loose or the only person in the Church with a clue, etc. etc. I understand you are to love your neighbor as yourself. When was the last tike you criticized anyone that "labeled" me?

And if the label fits, wear it proudly. If it causes your discomfort then prove you are not what was claimed or stop doing things that make me or others believe you are worthy of the label. If I called you a Latter-day Saint would you feel wrongly labeled?

Nice justifications. Your excuses are pathetic.....because someone has labeled you you have a right to do the same?

Ignorant of the truth? Thankfully many are aware of the fact that you are not the fountain of all truth you pretend to be. Someone doesn't have to hang on your every word and agree with your every position to eschew socialism. And don't give me your "I follow the prophets line". Everyone that disagrees with you has quoted the prophets as well. Such as the case of Elder Oaks instructing us to file a tax return.

Do I mind the label of Latter Day Saint? No....but it's a label I have chosen to take upon myself. Perhaps you should learn the difference.

[2wet2burn]

In the premortal world we each took on assignments, missions if you will. They are unique and different, individualized to help each son or daughter progress. These would include trials. We are not all meant to be exactly the same. Snow flakes each fit a certain design perameter, but are at the same time unique and contain infinate differences. As spirit children we are the same. We each have our own measure of creation to fufill.

We are not IGNORANT because our measure of creation leads us to study and be interested in different areas. I can't stand legal stuff, it holds no interest for me, nor does hunting or money arguments over inflation or deflation. Just give me the dummies guide version of enlightenment please. I don't expect anyone else to look at a placenta and think it is one of God's most beautiful and amazing creations. We are each different and have a different role to play in helping Heavenly Father bring His prurposes to pass.

Some men and women feel truly led to be soldiers. Why can't that role be the measure of their creation? Are you possitive that the Lord can't use their offering and sacrifice to build His kingdom? I know many soldiers, some have served with a gun in these current conflicts, others have served in supportive roles. None of them relish even the idea of being required to kill another human being. But most of them feel the need to serve their country in this way at this time. Personal revelation leads them into these trials. They need our prayers so stay on His unique path for them.

[Henmasher]

So you can remain lukewarm?
Get too Hot and you might BURN yourself 8)
Can you say Lake of FIre and Brimstone [


I always found it interesting that Christ never said if hot or cold was right. He just wanred us to be one or the other and not lukewarm.
So why did you select hot as being evil?

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the afaithful and true witness, the bbeginning of the ccreation of God;
15 I know thy aworks, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art alukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will bspue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am arich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked

Because I can't find one single scripture that says you will be cast into a frozen lake of ice

Also I understood that scripture as meaning that you are wicked and righteous in thought. I am both cold and hot but do not comprehend. I feel the meaning of that scripture was to show the contradiction of ones actuall situation compared to ones way of comprehending ones own situation. Hey too bad he didn't just call it a Jack Mormon than we would have understood and not used that scripture irrelevantly in an argument. Actually you used it hypocritically....but thanks.