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He really sold out, didn't he? His "entertainment" is getting to be a real bother.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21823

Boy, no kidding! I found Mr. Beck in December of 2008, and I have noticed a change over that period of time. Now he wastes so much time on stuff that doesn't matter I can barely stomach his radio show. I happened to come across this article in the Mormon Times the other day. I find it interesting how many different views there are of him.

http://www.mormontimes.com/mormon_voice ... /?id=14298

Wow, this McKay Coppins guy who wrote the Mormon Times article must have been teacher's pet all the way through public school. When I read his stuff I could picture him looking at the final draft and saying "There, I think that is what people who write things would write."

Glenn Beck is a conspiracy guy? Give me a break. Glenn would have us all think that all those witnesses at the Pentagon were lying about the North trajectory of the incoming plane. Glenn would have us all wish away the nano-thermite and tiny steel spheres in the dust all over lower Manhattan. He is denying the sun at noon-day. One of the commandments is Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. The word "neighbor" includes the poor dumb Moslims in the Middle East. So does Thou shalt not kill. Glenn's "mess with my country and I'll nuke ya" diatribe should be aimed at traitors within and not getting innocent people abroad killed. I'm just guessing, but I can't imagine the Almighty is particularly thrilled to watch His children anywhere getting splattered because of well-paid lying tongues with microphones.

Here is the real Glenn Beck. Anyone who is watching his shows knows that Glenn is sincere in wanting to make a difference in the battle against the anti-God anti founders anti constitution crowd who have practiced revisionist history over the years in order to gain more power and control over the minds of those who do not know any better. Why do people here only focus on displaying those like Glenn Beck in a negative light and completely discount any positives? If I didn't know better I would wonder if something sinister was at work. Do we have some progressives on board?


http://www.watchglennbeck.com/video/201 ... il-8-2010/

Just exposing wolves in sheep's clothing. Lucifer will provide truth as long as he can couch error in it. We already know who Glenn Beck's handlers are. He was more or less okay before he became compromised by those offering "great wealth".

And Glenn Beck said it many times himself - he is an "entertainer".

Just keep your bogus meter running.

pritchet1 wrote:He really sold out, didn't he? His "entertainment" is getting to be a real bother.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21823

Democrats place knife in chest.

Republicans ALWAYS place knife in back.

May I just say how SHOCKED I am by Glenn Beck's support of a VAT. NOT!

At least I can trust Harry Reid to be the Marxist he obviously is.

Thanks for the post pritchet1. Never pass up the chance to expose corruption especially when it is committed by Mormons. I hope this does not keep you from getting a temple recommend.

The 12th Commandment is: "Thou shall not speak evil of famous Mormons." So be careful...you may be on the road to apostasy.

pritchet1 wrote:Just exposing wolves in sheep's clothing. Lucifer will provide truth as long as he can couch error in it. We already know who Glenn Beck's handlers are. He was more or less okay before he became compromised by those offering "great wealth".

And Glenn Beck said it many times himself - he is an "entertainer".

Just keep your bogus meter running.

AMEN pirtchet1. AMEN!

Meanwhile, hopefully we belong to "God's Party". He places His hand on the heart and expects us to present one to Him that is contrite and pure. No knifing at all.

pritchet1 wrote:Just exposing wolves in sheep's clothing. Lucifer will provide truth as long as he can couch error in it. We already know who Glenn Beck's handlers are. He was more or less okay before he became compromised by those offering "great wealth".

And Glenn Beck said it many times himself - he is an "entertainer".

Just keep your bogus meter running.

My bogus meter just went WAY up with all of those flamethrowers. Anytime I see"wolf in sheep's clothing" or "handlers" in associated with Glenn Beck, I say, prove it!

If a VAT tax replaces in income tax, I'm all for it.

Mark wrote:Here is the real Glenn Beck. Anyone who is watching
his shows knows that Glenn is sincere in wanting to make
a difference in the battle against the anti-God anti founders
anti constitution crowd who have practiced revisionist history
over the years in order to gain more power and control over
the minds of those who do not know any better. Why do
people here only focus on displaying those like Glenn Beck in
a negative light and completely discount any positives? If
I didn't know better I would wonder if something sinister was
at work. Do we have some progressives on board?

I have a lot of positive things to say about
Glenn Beck and I have said them in the past.

But with all due respect, Mark, I believe sincere
people can be sincerely deceived, and express
that deception with sincerity.

That's why we need the spirit of discernment
to keep our "bogus meter" running properly.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

ready2prepare wrote:

Mark wrote:Here is the real Glenn Beck. Anyone who is watching
his shows knows that Glenn is sincere in wanting to make
a difference in the battle against the anti-God anti founders
anti constitution crowd who have practiced revisionist history
over the years in order to gain more power and control over
the minds of those who do not know any better. Why do
people here only focus on displaying those like Glenn Beck in
a negative light and completely discount any positives? If
I didn't know better I would wonder if something sinister was
at work. Do we have some progressives on board?

I have a lot of positive things to say about
Glenn Beck and I have said them in the past.

But with all due respect, Mark, I believe sincere
people can be sincerely deceived, and express
that deception with sincerity.

That's why we need the spirit of discernment
to keep our "bogus meter" running properly.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

I appreciate your thoughts Sharon and know that anyone can be deceived. However I have been watching Glenns direction he has taken recently on his shows and he is sincere in wanting to have people rediscover the founders messages and what they stood for. Who else in the major media outlets are trying to get people to return back to the foundational basis for which this country was founded upon.

How could anyone possibly say that he is trying to deceive people by presenting the writings of Washington and Adams and Franklin and Jefferson ect etc on the proper role of govt.? Yet many here continue to flame Glenn as a deceiver because he works for Fox news yet I imagine they probably don't even take the time to watch his shows that I am posting here. That is so closed minded and judgemental to me that I am staggered by it. Whatever floats peoples boats I guess. I personally think it is very unfair and borders on bearing false witness against ones Brother. As PJ said somebody here give me some proof that Glenn is a deceiver and a charleton or quit trashing the man based on assumption.

Mark wrote: Who else in the major media outlets are trying
to get people to return back to the foundational
basis for which this country was founded upon?

This is where I believe Glenn Beck is making a
positive difference. He's on a firm "foundation"
here. (IMHO)

Mark wrote: AS PJ said somebody here give me some proof that
Glenn is a deceiver and a charleton or quit trashing the man
based on assumption.

Calling someone a deceiver implies intent. I do not
believe that Glenn Beck intends to deceive anyone.
His corporate sponsors, however, seem to have less
than honorable motives for some of the things they
use him for, and I believe Glenn Beck IS being
deceived by THEM on certain issues so that he
plays their game.

That is why I invite everyone to cultivate the spirit
of discernment so they can recognize and resist
the real Deceiver regardless of what form he takes
and through whom he speaks.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

ready2prepare wrote:

Mark wrote: Who else in the major media outlets are trying
to get people to return back to the foundational
basis for which this country was founded upon?

This is where I believe Glenn Beck is making a
positive difference. He's on a firm "foundation"
here. (IMHO)

Mark wrote: AS PJ said somebody here give me some proof that
Glenn is a deceiver and a charleton or quit trashing the man
based on assumption.

Calling someone a deceiver implies intent. I do not
believe that Glenn Beck intends to deceive anyone.
His corporate sponsors, however, seem to have less
than honorable motives for some of the things they
use him for, and I believe Glenn Beck IS being
deceived by THEM on certain issues so that he
plays their game.

That is why I invite everyone to cultivate the spirit
of discernment so they can recognize and resist
the real Deceiver regardless of what form he takes
and through whom he speaks.

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

Please expound Sharon. I am interested in your thoughts about how FOX is using and deceiving Glenn. Why is FOX allowing Glenn to do the shows he is doing about Faith Hope and Charity using the founders examples and words with individuals like David Barton of Wallbuilders and Judge Napolitano if it is their intent to con and mislead people neferiously. Why would any of these patriots participate with Glenn in doing things that you believe are meant to deceive the masses. Do you have evidence of this or is this just your hunch?

I imagine they probably don't even take the time to watch his shows that I am posting here. That is so closed minded and judgemental to me that I am staggered by it. Whatever floats peoples boats I guess. I personally think it is very unfair and borders on bearing false witness against ones Brother. As PJ said somebody here give me some proof that Glenn is a deceiver and a charleton or quit trashing the man based on assumption.

Well I guess it's time once again for the three-ringed-circus that is the "Glenn Beck debate"......whew, deep breath............ok, here I go...........

Ok, I have noticed a pattern with the Beck apologists here- namely the "thou shalt not judge the man" or "the bearing false witness" or "too critical" . I think that is a false argument, period.

I base my entire opinion of Glenn Beck upon listening to him for about 3 years off and on ( as much as I can stand) - to be in a position to base an intelligent decision of which "side" Beck is on.

Oh sure Beck talks a great game, but it's the ACTIONS that prove the man. That's the real litmus test for any one -let's see what they actually do- not what they SAY.

Beck tells us to read,read,read, and study,study,study the words of the founders - but then when he has candidates that embody those traits and knowledge of the founders- he attacks them in the most vicious manner ( yes I realize you apologists are tried of hearing the name Ron Paul and Debra Medina- as tried as I am of Beck attacking them)- but his actions don't match his rhetoric.

I just heard Beck (yes Mark I DO listen) Bust-out Ron Paul AGAIN this week as having a "terrible foreign policy" - and not someone he could support for president, yet in the same breath he gives a green light to Mitt socialized medicine Romney.
I've noticed that Glenn carefully steers away from any discussion of Ron Paul as a serious candidate - in spite of the fact that Ron has won the recent straw polls.

Why is this? Can any of you apologists explain this? Ron Paul is not the "end all" - but it is safe to say that he is head and shoulders above any of the other candidates- in fact many LDS scholars such as Joel Skousen and Connor Boyack have expressed their feeling that RP is the closest thing to a founding father-type candidate that we have had in the last century.

So why does Beck - who wields "tipping point" type of power with the masses continue to marginalize, mock,and ignore Ron-while supporting establishment wolves like Romney and Palin? I'm all ears for your explanation.

His theme music and his own words also tell us to "search for answers everywhere".......that is unless your search for answers takes you to 9-11 truth, then according to Beck you are a "kook" and "homegrown terrorist" - the same goes for you if your search for answers takes you to the belief that the IRS should be abolished- then you are, according to Glenn a "dangerous extremist"

That doesn't sound like a man who is really on the side of Freedom to me- care to explain that away apologists?

Next point- I've grown tired of Beck's use of profanity and sexual innuendo to get his point across, like I've said before Becks behavior is unbecoming of a 16 year old priest- much less a growth man with a national audience.
Speaking of kissing men on the mouth and being "hot for them" is sophomoric and unbecoming of a Latter Day Saint at best.

Hey look- I would LOVE IT if Beck wasn't an "establishment tool" - it would be great, I'm not a "hater" - we need lovers of liberty and freedom.

Nothing I see about Beck shows me that he loves true liberty and freedom more than money- his actions tell me otherwise.

Great post Mosby.

I actually defended GB over on the Ron Paul forums, almost as long as there have been Ron Paul forums. I always felt that Beck was "coming around" and that he was going thru an awakening process.

But your post nails it - Beck's rhetoric is close to perfect, but when it comes to rubber hitting the road Beck has consistently sabotaged the people who embody the principles that he endorses and also consistently supports the establishment favorite - add Perry of Texas to your list of Romney and Palin, and I can bet you dollars to dimes that IF he ever opines on the Kentucky Senator race it will be to undermine FRONT-RUNNER Rand Paul and support trailing in the polls but Washington establishment darling Trey Grayson.

And this support for a "temporary Valu Added Tax" - Wow! that is completely contrary to everything he says, and temporary taxes have a history of getting extended and eventually becoming permanent.

Glenn says a lot of good things, and certainly encouragin people to study the founding documents and writings of the founders is good advice. But whether from his own lack of understanding or by the order of those who write his paychecks, Glenn's actions have not matched his words. I consider him controlled opposition.

I guess I feel that if we could make the cuts necessary to our spending(and trust the government LOL) I would be okay with a tax that would tax EVERYONE to help pay off the national debt because of the freedom it would give us. But since we will not be able to trust our current government to work towards getting out of debt and out of other countries control, we can't do that.

And this support for a "temporary Valu Added Tax" - Wow! that is completely contrary to everything he says, and temporary taxes have a history of getting extended and eventually becoming permanent.

Exactly. The Founders that Glenn is so fond of quoting would have NEVER EVER supported a " temporary Value added tax". I find it laughable that Beck even floats this tax as a "means of paying off the debt"..............uh, Glenn I got news for you, ain't no amount of money gonna pay off that debt- it's gonna be paid off with another currency.

So Mosby, hypothetically how would you pay it off? I would love for us to have a plan to do it. It would definitely help our country to get out of debt.

Great posts exposing GB's lack of follow through.

I want to point out again that GB's support of Cleon Skousen's 5000 Year Leap was great, and I'm sure it is a great financial boost to Cleon's wife, Ruby.

But does Glen know that Cleon was at least an incipient 9/11 Truther, who supported Dr. Jones' first off-campus presentation of his findings up to that point. The presentation was in Cleon's basement lasting about 3 hours, and Cleon gave every indication of being impressed with and believing what Dr. Jones covered.

So, very ironically, when Beck categorizes 9/11 Truthers as lunactic and potential terrorists who may hook up with al-Kaeda, he would have to lump Cleon into this group, as well; the very person who wrote the book he's so excited by and has pushed so much.

Sweet irony.

I still wonder how GB would finesse that information, if he was confronted by it.

Nan- I have a harsh reality for you: The National Debt isn't ever going to be paid off.

We can't even pay the interest on the debt, hocus-pocus schemes of "new" taxes (like the one Beck is shopping around) are just another lie so that the Fed Gov can further enslave us, the tax payer.

"paying off the debt" would be like the following-(to compare the National debt common sense "real world" terms)

I'm an average guy who makes $50,000 dollars a year; I own a home that I paid way, way, way too much for ( but the banks gave me the loan-so I took it) my home is worth 778 million dollars- but I've worked out this sweet deal were I only pay $1,200.00 dollars a month for my mortgage.
Well now the bank wants me to pay off the loan- the payment is $245,000k dollars a month- am I really gonna "pay that off"?
No. I'm gonna walk- and the bank will seize my house and ruin my credit (in the old days they would have thrown me in jail)

Simply put their is no possible way I can pay that off- we are in the same boat. The really scary thing is - who are our creditors? ............that's right; China and Russia-...........and a host of Arab nations.

So what do they take "back" in lieu of our debt and what happens to us when we finally walk away from our loan?

My plan? while I don't believe their is a real workable plan ( it's far to late to that) but it starts with freezing programs and eliminating the octopus arms of he fed gov.

Ron Paul is the ONLY ONE out their talking about freezing government programs and talking about the suicide path that we are on.

To simply answer your question:

We are at the mercy of our debtors.

That is what scares me, that we are at the mercy of nasty people. And mostly I do think it is too late, but I am trying to have hope for the American spirit. If you look at movies we are the one country where everything is being destroyed but then one person comes in and saves it. We believe in the power of the individual. But lately the movies are now ending with total destruction. As to the budget, I think that we need to cut a lot as well. I think that if America was set on doing it, it could be done. But because we don't want to or don't believe it is possible or don't even think there is a problem, it will never happen. It does have to start with us being responsible in our own lives. I love Dave Ramsey. I feel the more people who become responsible in their personal life, the more they will demand the government to do the same. So I guess it needs to start with me being responsible with my resources.

I recently saw a talk by President Monsen on BYU-TV about debt. (I think it was back when President Hinckley was still with us). He gave the talk at BYU.

Anyway it was a great talk. This was back before the housing crash. He said that young people just out of college were expecting to buy homes as good or better than homes that their parents had worked their entire lives to be able to afford. He talked a lot about the various unwise things that people were going into debt for rather than saving up for.

As far as I can see, a number of unlikely things have got to occur in order to get our economy back on the right course.

1. This myth that we can survive as a "service economy" needs to be buried. We need to return to an agricultural and manufacturing base, with a strong service segment - but service cannot be the basis of our economy. (I am not talking about church service, I am talking about in teh economic sense - a "service" as opposed to a good or product.

2. We need a generation or two that is willing and has the willpower to live well below their means.

3. We need to return to the American dream of the early 20th century - owning your own business. In the early 1900's, 85% of people worked for themselves, and the 15% who had "jobs", most of them were learning a skill or saving money so they could eventually start their own business. Now almost everyone simply "wants a job" and there is very little entrepeneurship.

4. We need representatives that will cut government to the bone and leave only essential and Constitutional programs in place. We need to end all unConstitutional wars and pursue a humble foreign policy, while maintaining a strong defense.

Frankly I think the likelihood of ANY of these happening is pretty slim, and all of them is remote indeed. Yet I feel that without all of these things coming about, we are not going to recover.

You guys can't all be serious. The Ron Paul vs. Glenn Beck stuff is so old. Last week, Mosby, and you did kind of cherry-pick those quotes, the takeaway was that Glenn was saying that America is moving towards Ron Paul and away from Mitt Romney. He said was moving more towards Ron Paul's ideology. This is a big deal, but Infowars keeps putting up the quotes that Glenn thinks Ron Paul incites terrorism, something he said 72 years ago when no one knew who Ron Paul was and there was no TARP or economic collapse.

Original_Intent wrote:Great post Mosby.

I actually defended GB over on the Ron Paul forums, almost as long as there have been Ron Paul forums. I always felt that Beck was "coming around" and that he was going thru an awakening process.

But your post nails it - Beck's rhetoric is close to perfect, but when it comes to rubber hitting the road Beck has consistently sabotaged the people who embody the principles that he endorses and also consistently supports the establishment favorite - add Perry of Texas to your list of Romney and Palin, and I can bet you dollars to dimes that IF he ever opines on the Kentucky Senator race it will be to undermine FRONT-RUNNER Rand Paul and support trailing in the polls but Washington establishment darling Trey Grayson.

And this support for a "temporary Valu Added Tax" - Wow! that is completely contrary to everything he says, and temporary taxes have a history of getting extended and eventually becoming permanent.

Glenn says a lot of good things, and certainly encouragin people to study the founding documents and writings of the founders is good advice. But whether from his own lack of understanding or by the order of those who write his paychecks, Glenn's actions have not matched his words. I consider him controlled opposition.

I actually find this post very thoughtful and balanced, but I don't buy the controlled opposition. He's too erratic for that. He could be, but it's just as likely that he's creating his own misinformation campaign to throw off "his handlers" or that he's evolving. You are right though, when it comes down to the brass tacks, he always seems to side with the establishment right. It's disappointing.