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My feeling is we are all going to be happy where we end up. As has been stated before we are going to come to realize, understand and accept our own natures. It may be hard to comprehend, but some people may not have the spiritual makeup to be a God. An eternity of existence in service to your billions of spirit children. The bottom line is the prospect may not be appealing to all, even AFTER their spiritual eyes are opened.

Other than outer darkness, I think everyone is going to end up in a much better place than they deserve AND where they are going to be most happy. My personal feeling is that before the final judgement everyone will have had the opportunity of accepting or rejecting every principle associated with each kingdom (although rejecting it in this life may mean you cannot then accept it in the next).

Bottom line is this life is the time to prepare to meet God.
Once final judgement happens, I think we probably will be stuck in whatever kingdom permanently. Not because God will not extend every chance for repentance, but again, because we will have reached a point of no possibility for repentance because we are who we are. We will repent or we won't. We are who we eternally always have been and always will be. My feeling is that even those who are "on the bubble" will be faced with a choice that their internal spiritual makeup will decide....would you rather be the lowliest of the lowest in the celestial kingdom, or would you rather be someone who is among the "mighty and great ones" of the terrestrial kingdom? For many of you it is a simple and straightforward almost a rhetorical question. If this is so, then I think that is a good indication of where you are destined to be. But I also believe there are those who it may not be so clear cut of an answer, OR, hard as it may be to believe, it is equally clear cut to them that they would rather be "high up" in a lower kingdom than very low in a higher kingdom.

I am not saying there is not a judgement, but I do believe that we have a very significant role in that judgement. An unrepentant child molester will not be able to "self assign" to the celestial kingdom, NOR would he/she want to.

And I will say my view has changed somewhat as I have pondered this and read this thread. And I could be completely wrong, these are my views and i don;t really have anything to back it other than that it feels right. (and yes, I am very aware that those feelings can be manipulated by the adversary.)

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NoGreaterLove wrote: What if they begin to think they can screw up here and repent later and still receive it all? What a price for them to pay.
We all screw up "here", you included. And we can repent "later". Do you know many people that have died being perfect? Are you perfect right now? What if you died in the next 5 minutes? Are you then condemned to a lesser kingdom because you're NOT perfect? Why would time to learn in the hereafter be extended to an imperfect person like you and not the inactive guy drinking a cold beer on a warm beach with a hot chick? If you can change in the hereafter and become perfect, can't he too?
Ever been to the Temple for someone else?
We can all die with a clear conscience before God, just as Joseph and many others did. If repentance is part of our regular routine, we'll be fine. Forgiveness can be renewed every day. The point, again, is to fill our bodies with as much light as possible. The more light and intelligence we gain in this world, the better off we will be in the next. We have been told that, and that includes the guy on the beach with the hot chick. Maybe he got his reward in this life... :wink:

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This is what our Savior Jesus Christ has taught and what we believe.

(2 Nephi 28:7-9.)

7 Yea, and there shall be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die; and it shall be well with us.

8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.

9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.

(Alma 34:33-35.)

33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.

35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

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SmallFarm wrote: I was under the impression we go to the spirit world when we die... not our respective kingdoms. While in the spirit world we can repent but even then it's subject to people doing our works for us in the temple. After judgement day we move on to our respective kingdoms where we can only progress within those kingdoms. Is this a wrong interpretation?
You are correct in your impression. I just wanted to make the point that this physical time on earth isn't the end all be all.

And no NGL, I don't believe in putting off repentance nor do I believe a person can be saved while attached to his sins. I agree with all the scriptures you quoted. I agree that a few stripes from God (that isn't repentance :idea: ) won't change us into Celestial material. Only aligning ourselves with God and His purposes and truly repenting of our sins can bring us to God, right?? Is there a time limit for that? If so, when?

During the Millennium, do you think we'll still be in a Telestial world or Terrestrial?

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Shadow
I was not directing these scriptures to any one in particular.
In reference to those who know the Gospel is true:
This life is the time to prepare to meet God. In this life you become who you are going to be in a general sense. In other words, have you become the type of person who exercises faith in Christ, do you seek to repent of your sins through his atonement. Are you earnestly trying as hard as you can to become like Christ? Are you enduring to the end? If you are this type of person, the Grace of Christ will be sufficient for you and you will be washed clean of all your sins because of the mercy and grace of Christ, not because you are perfect, but because you have offered a broken heart and a contrite spirit unto Christ.
If you are not doing these things here upon this earth and do not become this type of person while here upon this earth, then when you die, you stay that way and the mercy and grace of Christ does not wash away your sins, but you pay for them. In other words you have procrastinated your repentance until it is everlastingly to late. Alma is clear about this. Who can dispute this? Who will twist his words into something that will ease their own conscience.
Now those who have not received the Gospel are just as God sees fit. He knows all things and will judge men according to the body, while in the spirit. That is what temple work for the dead is all about. They can not be held accountable for what they did not know, or were not taught. But those of us who have gained the knowledge of the Gospel are held to such.
It is against the words of Alma, thus the Lord, to teach principles that say we who have received the Gospel in this life can live unrighteously, die then figure it out later. That somehow we can repent later. We will pay the price of our own sins, which caused even God to bleed from every pore.

Alma 34

34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.


(Doctrine and Covenants 19:16-18.)

16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;
17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;
18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—
spirit will have power to possess your body
Notice this says "body". The only body your spirit possesses after death is the one you are resurrected into. So you can not repent after death and are resurrected into the type of body that fits who you are. That is it. You are limited to that body. You do not get another one.

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EVERY MAN IS GIVEN A CHANCE

This has nothing to do whatever with those who died without having an opportunity to hear the gospel. The Lord gives every man a chance of repentance and there is his justice. The millions who have died without hearing the name of Christ or having the privilege of receiving his gospel are to have that chance. Therefore, the Lord has revealed to us the work of salvation for the dead and this means that the dead who never had the opportunity to repent and to believe in Jesus Christ while they were living on this earth shall have the opportunity in the spirit world to receive it and the work will be done by proxy for them in the temples.

Now the Lord condemns those who have heard the gospel and reject it, and these are the people spoken of in Alma 34:31-35. This has reference only to those who have had the opportunity of hearing the truth and then reject it. Remember the Nephites at one time were all members of the Church. Amulek is speaking to those who have turned away from it. He is not speaking to the dead who never had an opportunity to hear. These people who had the warning and rebelled are left without excuse


(Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols. [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957-1966], 5: 100.)

Do Saints Have a Second Chance for Salvation?

Whenever the gospel is offered to any person or group, they then have the obligation to believe and obey its doctrines; other—wise, they do not become inheritors of its blessings.

The doctrine of salvation for the dead, great and glorious as it is, does not mean that those who reject the truth, or who disobey their gospel covenants in this life, shall have a second chance to gain salvation by accepting and living the law in the spirit world. Salvation for the dead is for those who die without a knowledge of the gospel and who would have received it, with all their hearts, had it been presented to them in this mortal life.

God's plan is "to save them that believe," when the gospel, "by the foolishness of preaching," is offered to them. (1 Cor. 1:21.) Those who do not believe and are not baptized are damned. (3 Ne. 11:33-34.) Such is the eternal decree. Jesus, for instance, in his resurrected ministry among the Nephites told them: "Except ye shall keep my commandments, which I have commanded you at this time, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (3 Ne. 12:20.) To Joseph Smith the Lord said that those who reject the gospel in this life and receive it in the spirit world shall go, not to a celestial, but to a terrestrial kingdom. (D. & C. 76:73-74.) And using some of the same language which Paul here records, Amulek summarized the true doctrine by saying: "Now is the time and the day of your salvation. .. . For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. . . . Do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed." (Alma 34:31-33.)

Salvation for the dead] 1 Pet. 3:18-22; 4:1-6.


(Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3 vols. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965-1973], 2: 423.)

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shadow wrote:
SmallFarm wrote: I was under the impression we go to the spirit world when we die... not our respective kingdoms. While in the spirit world we can repent but even then it's subject to people doing our works for us in the temple. After judgement day we move on to our respective kingdoms where we can only progress within those kingdoms. Is this a wrong interpretation?
You are correct in your impression. I just wanted to make the point that this physical time on earth isn't the end all be all.

And no NGL, I don't believe in putting off repentance nor do I believe a person can be saved while attached to his sins. I agree with all the scriptures you quoted. I agree that a few stripes from God (that isn't repentance :idea: ) won't change us into Celestial material. Only aligning ourselves with God and His purposes and truly repenting of our sins can bring us to God, right?? Is there a time limit for that? If so, when?

During the Millennium, do you think we'll still be in a Telestial world or Terrestrial?
During the Millennium the earth will be a Terrestial Kingdom. If you're not worthy of at least a terrestial glory you won't be upon the earth in the flesh during the Millenium. You will be in the spirit world suffering for your sins until the end of the Millenium and then after the final judgment you will be assigned to a planet somewhere, we don't know where, that is reserved for those of a telestial glory.

"And they who are not sanctified through the law which I have given unto you, even the law of Christ, must inherit another kingdom, even that of a terrestrial kingdom, or that of a telestial kingdom." (D&C 88:21)

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LukeAir2008 wrote:[During the Millennium the earth will be a Terrestial Kingdom. If you're not worthy of at least a terrestial glory you won't be upon the earth in the flesh during the Millenium. You will be in the spirit world suffering for your sins (For what purpose??) until the end of the Millenium and then after the final judgment you will be assigned to a planet somewhere, we don't know where, that is reserved for those of a telestial glory.
I thought the spirit world was part of this earth? Does that change during the Millennium?

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shadow wrote:
LukeAir2008 wrote:[During the Millennium the earth will be a Terrestial Kingdom. If you're not worthy of at least a terrestial glory you won't be upon the earth in the flesh during the Millenium. You will be in the spirit world suffering for your sins (For what purpose??) until the end of the Millenium and then after the final judgment you will be assigned to a planet somewhere, we don't know where, that is reserved for those of a telestial glory.
I thought the spirit world was part of this earth? Does that change during the Millennium?
Shadow, I think you just want to chase your tail don't you? :lol:

You may not like the truth but you can't change it!

If you're righteous you will be either be ressurrected or translated and live as a physical, corporeal man upon the earth during the Millennium.

If you are wicked you WILL NOT!

There is a difference.

There is a huge gulf between the righteous and the wicked. We may not like to hear that but it is true. I thought thats why we are members of the Lord's church. We're not meant to be interested in what's popular or convenient or what tickles our ears. We should want to know the truth.

"And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.
And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.
Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection."
(Alma 40:12-14)

The second chance saloon is for those who genuinely didn't know any better. Those who did not get a chance in this life to hear the gospel plan and accept it. The Justice of God must make allowance for those men and women. They must have the gospel taught to them. They must have the ordinances made available to them. They must have the chance to accept it and repent.

This doesn't apply to you and I my friend. Unless you can claim mental deficiency! :wink:

"Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world."
(Alma 34:34)

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Good post Luke, I agree with most of it (the scripture quotes).
Anyway, did you answer my questions? I thought not.

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shadow wrote:Good post Luke, I agree with most of it (the scripture quotes).
Anyway, did you answer my questions? I thought not.
Actually Shadow, he did! :lol:

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Original_Intent wrote:
shadow wrote:Good post Luke, I agree with most of it (the scripture quotes).
Anyway, did you answer my questions? I thought not.
Actually Shadow, he did! :lol:
Show me please. Quote my question then quote his answer. I'm a little mentally deficient so be kind :wink: .

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I thought the spirit world was part of this earth? Does that change during the Millennium?
If you're righteous you will be either be ressurrected or translated and live as a physical, corporeal man upon the earth during the Millennium.
I take that as an answer. My opinion: they will be on the earth as spirits during the millenium. I believe the reason is that their resurrected bodies would not be able to withstand a terrestrial glory. They will be working out their salvation during the Millenial period and either accepting or rejecting the gospel. then at the 2nd ressurrection they will be raised to the appropriate glory based on what truth they have accepted. My opinion.

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Original_Intent wrote:
I thought the spirit world was part of this earth? Does that change during the Millennium?
If you're righteous you will be either be ressurrected or translated and live as a physical, corporeal man upon the earth during the Millennium.
I take that as an answer.
:lol: Nice try but I don't. And more importantly my question in blue wasn't answered either. And that's OK, it's was meant to get people thinking a bit anyway.

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back to "original intent"......can a galaxy exist without a God?....hmmm therein is the answer

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shadow wrote:You will be in the spirit world suffering for your sins (For what purpose??)
shadow wrote: :lol: Nice try but I don't. And more importantly my question in blue wasn't answered either. And that's OK, it's was meant to get people thinking a bit anyway.
That is not a difficult question. The answer is in D&C 19:
D&C 19:2-20 wrote:2 I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself—
3 Retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment, which I shall pass upon the inhabitants thereof, judging every man according to his works and the deeds which he hath done.
4 And surely every man must repent or suffer, for I, God, am endless.

5 Wherefore, I revoke not the judgments which I shall pass, but woes shall go forth, weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, yea, to those who are found on my left hand.
6 Nevertheless, it is not written that there shall be no end to this torment, but it is written endless torment.
7 Again, it is written eternal damnation; wherefore it is more express than other scriptures, that it might work upon the hearts of the children of men, altogether for my name’s glory.
8 Wherefore, I will explain unto you this mystery, for it is meet unto you to know even as mine apostles.
9 I speak unto you that are chosen in this thing, even as one, that you may enter into my rest.
10 For, behold, the amystery of godliness, how great is it! For, behold, I am endless, and the punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, for Endless is my name. Wherefore—
11 Eternal punishment is God’s punishment.
12 Endless punishment is God’s punishment.
13 Wherefore, I command you to repent, and keep the commandments which you have received by the hand of my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., in my name;
14 And it is by my almighty power that you have received them;
15 Therefore I command you to repent—repent, lest I smite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.
16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;
17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;
18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—

19 Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.
20 Wherefore, I command you again to repent, lest I humble you with my almighty power; and that you confess your sins, lest you suffer these punishments of which I have spoken, of which in the smallest, yea, even in the least degree you have tasted at the time I withdrew my Spirit.
As the Book of Mormon teaches, mortality is the time to prepare to meet God, and that is by taking advantage of the mercy Christ offers by his Atonement to reconcile ourselves with Him. If we do not do that, then we must answer ourselves to justice and suffer for our own sins. (Alma 42:22-28)

But you already knew that, right? :wink:

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Excellent scripture Gruden! It means what it says too.

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Light from a galaxy is passed through a prism and split into colors of the spectrum .The hydrogen in stars produces a set of absorption patterns in the spectrum (darker areas) and if we compare distant galaxies to nearby stars or the sun, we can see that the lines move toward the red side of the spectrum when the galaxy is moving away from us and toward the blue side when it is moving toward us. All distant galaxies are red shifted, therefore thay are moving away from us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVjF_7ensg

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LukeAir2008 wrote:When Joseph spoke of repenting in the next life he was speaking of those in the Spirit World who after learning the truth can then begin to repent and progress and have the ordinances received vicariously. He also stated that to change as a spirit is extremely difficult. What we choose in this life stays with us in eternity. It really will be a case of only those who sincerely did not know any better and would have chosen the truth had they been offered it will be able to repent.

We are to choose what kingdom we want to inherit now. To leave it until after death is to leave it until it is everlastingly too late! :(
Joseph Smith, Jun.: “A man can do as much in this life in one year as he can do in ten years in the spirit world without the body.” (See Oliver B. Huntington Journal, They Knew The Prophet, p. 61)

Melvin J. Ballard: “It is my judgment that any man or woman can do more to conform to the laws of God in one year in this life than they could in ten years when they are dead. The spirit only can repent and change, and then the battle has to go forward with the flesh afterwards. It is much easier to overcome and serve the Lord when both flesh and spirit are combined as one. This is the time when men are more pliable and susceptible. We will find when we are dead every desire, every feeling will be greatly intensified. When clay is pliable it is much easier to change than when it gets hard and sets.” (Three Degrees of Glory, p.12)

Fascinating.

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Good read. Makes me wonder if the inability to kindle a fire was related to a gravitational change effecting the concentration of O2 in the atmosphere as well as the inability to stand etc... I believe that our oceans and molten core could keep the heat in long enough to make a "planet journey." Also makes me wonder if the moon (representation of satan) will head out into the darkness with those fit for that place. I do recall a quote however by Brigham Young that Celestial beings lived on the sun now. That doesn't jive with this theorem unless the sun is their transportation portal to this neck of the woods without getting their feet dirty. That would reconcile the two in my book.

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I remember seeing this video a couple years ago and came across it again. It's appropriate for this thread.



Oh, and an interesting read into W.W. Phelps' 2,555,000,000 years calculation.

Addition: Was sending this video to a friend and compiling some quotes to accompany it. Might as well paste them here as well...

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Preamble:

"Do not suppose, however, that those first principles [of the gospel] are the only ones to be learned; do not become stereotyped in your feelings, and think that you must always dwell upon them and proceed no further. If there be knowledge concerning the future, . . . the present, . . .[the] past, or any species of knowledge that would be beneficial to the mind of man, let us seek it." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, March 14, 1875, Salt Lake City, 16th Ward, reported by David W. Evans)

Expanse of space:

"In the resurrection, men who have been faithful and diligent in all things in the flesh, have kept their first and second estate, and worthy to be crowned Gods, even the sons of God, will be ordained to organize matter. How much matter do you suppose there is between here and some of the fixed stars which we can see? Enough to frame many, very many millions of such earths as this, yet it is now so diffused, clear and pure, that we look through it and behold the stars." (Brigham Young, JD 15:137, 8/24/1872).

"… eternity, agreeably to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt, has been going on in this system (not the world) almost two thousand five hundred and fifty five millions [2,555,000,000] of years…" (W.W. Phelps, Times & Seasons 5 no. 24, 1 Jan. 1844, 758)

Mode of travel:

"[The 3 Nephites] had power over the elements of earth, power over the law of gravitation, by which they could move over the face of the earth, in the speed of their own thoughts." (Melvin J. Ballard, Deseret News, Oct 31, 1925)

"... until we can waft ourselves by the power of the almighty from world to world to our fullest satisfaction." (Brigham Young, Deseret News Extra, Dec. 1, 1866)

"When the philosopher of the age reaches that perfection that one can waft himself to the moon or to the north star, or to any other of the fixed planets, and be there in an instant, in the same manner that Jesus did when he ascended to the Father in heaven and returned to the earth again, then we may begin to think we know a little. When we shall possess the power and knowledge to cause heavenly planets to take their position, giving them their laws and boundaries which they must obey, and which they cannot pass, then we may begin to feel that we possess and little wisdom and power." (Brigham Young, JD 18:260, 10/8/1876)

Resurrected planets:

"... I learned how intense the heat of that orb is and that our sun is a celestial world... this earth, when it shall attain its place as a celestial orb, shining like a sun, when this earth will no longer need the sun to shine upon it by day nor the moon by night, when it shall become a sun..." (Melvin J. Ballard, The Three Degrees of Glory)

"It is my opinion that the great stars that we see, including our sun, are celestial worlds; at least worlds that have passed on to their exaltation or other final resurrected status." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 1:88)

Earth's origin and destiny:

"When the earth is sanctified from the effects of the fall, and baptized, cleansed, and purified by fire, and returns to its paradisiacal state, and has become like a sea of glass, a urim and thummim; when all this is done, and the Savior has presented the earth to his Father, and it is placed in the cluster of the celestial kingdoms." (Brigham Young, JD 17:117)

"[The earth had] fled and fallen from where it was organized near the planet Kolob." (John Taylor, The Mormon, 8/20/1857)

"Where did the earth come from? From its parent earths." (Heber C. Kimball, JD 6:36, 11/8/1857)

"This earth when it fell went millions of miles from the presence of God and when it returns back, it will go millions of miles from its present position to where it came from." (Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff Journal, 7/13/1865)

"Some [fragments of the earth were broken off] in the days of Enoch, some perhaps in the days of Peleg, some with the ten tribes, and some at the crucifixion of the Messiah. ... When the fragments (some of which are vastly larger than the present earth) are brought back and joined to this earth, it will cause a convulsion of all nature; the graves of the Saints will be opened, and they rise from the dead; while the mountains will flow down, the valley rise, the sea retire to its own place, the islands and continents will be removed, and earth be rolled together as a scroll. The earth will be much larger than it is now." (Parley P. Pratt, Millennial Star 1:258, Feb. 1841)

"When this world was first made it was a tremendous big thing. The Lord concluded it was too big. We read in the scriptures that in the days of Peleg the earth was divided so the Lord divided the earth When the ten tribes of the children of Israel went into the north country he divided it again, so the earth has been divided and subdivided." (Joseph Smith, Journal of Samuel Holister Rogers, 17)

"We had social conversation in the evening. President Young said he heard Joseph Smith say that the Ten Tribes of Israel were on a portion of land separated from this earth." (Brigham Young, Journal of Wilford Woodruff, 9/8/1867)

"I heard Joseph the prophet say that he had seen John the Revelator and had a long conversation with him, who told him that he John was their leader, Prophet, Priest and King, and said that he was preparing that people to return and further said there is a mighty host of us. And Joseph further said that men might hunt for them but they could not find them for they were upon a portion of this planet that had been broken off and which was taken away and the sea rushed in between Europe and America, and that when that piece returns there would be a great shake; the sea would then move to the north where it belonged in the morning of creation." (Daniel Allen, Minutes of the School of the Prophets, Parowan, 156-57, 8/17/1872)

"[Joseph taught that] the earth had been divided and parts taken away, but the time would come when all would be restored and the earth again would revolve in its original orbit next to Kolob and would be second in size to it." (Addison Everett, Journal of Charles L. Walker 2:505, 10/18/1880)

"She [Eliza R. Snow] told me that she heard the Prophet Joseph say that when the 10 tribes were taken away the Lord cut the earth in two, Joseph striking his left hand in the center with the edge of his right to illustrate the idea and that they (the 10 tribes) were on an orb or planet by themselves and when they returned with the portion of this earth that was taken away with them the coming together of these 2 bodies or orbs would cause a shock and make the 'earth reel to and fro like a drunken man.' She also stated that he said the earth was now ninety times smaller now than when first created or organized." (Charles L. Walker, Journal of Charles L. Walker, circa 1880)

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Re: Does Each Galaxy Have Its Own God...

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So, to answer the beginning question, yes each galaxy has it's own God, but at the same time there are many Gods in the galaxy. Just look towards the center of the galaxy and see the great bulge. The stars in the great bulge are earths that were once very much like this earth and are now Celestial, all inhabited with Celestial beings, Gods! Compare it too the First Presidency and the Twelve.

As mortals we see with our own eyes a very limited portion of things mortal, and next to nothing of things spiritual! Isn't it interesting how we mortals can come up with so many explanations of virtually everything, when actually, we see virtually nothing!

Here's to a brighter day, soon I hope!

Bob

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