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that Pres. Monsom KNOWS that: something MORE important for preparations is closer at hand? That, he doesn't want a panic? That, "silence" is the best approach, leaving us to find the spirit and prepare, RATHER than be "scared" into preparations, etc, etd, etd?

supposedly the Mayan calendar ends Dec 21, 2012 because the world will begin a 1000 years of peace.....hmmm sounds familiar. So, does anyone know ANY quotes, prophecies, or statements by GAs concerning this possibility, especially from Thomas S Monson or Gordon B. Hinckley? Seems like this would be a VERY important event!
Sorry, I didn't mean for this string to develope into a "2cd" coming opinion, more that there might be a catastropic occurrance that we might need to prepare but, I guess, we are latter-day saints, because "it's here"?.......Is it possible that a "corrupt" Mayan society, with ingenious mathematics of astronomic events, passed down a WARNING of time for preparation, even if it were superstition? Certainly, world geographic events have heightened.......were the warnings of former prophets enough for the people to prepare?.........prepare for what?... do you think? Any prep announcements coming?
Many have speculated on the "second coming", could it be, HIS timing is based on the Laws of time, ie, soltices, April 6th, planet alignments and the sorts?

sbsion wrote:supposedly the Mayan calendar ends Dec 21, 2012 because the world will begin a 1000 years of peace.....hmmm sounds familiar. So, does anyone know ANY quotes, prophecies, or statements by GAs concerning this possibility, especially from Thomas S Monson or Gordon B. Hinckley? Seems like this would be a VERY important event!

What if the Mayans are off by a day or two?

I will put more faith in the scriptures and prophets than the Mayan Calendar. It may be that the Mayan calendar was inspired by the adversary because he knows about the stars and heavens and may be aware of something. I doubt that Pres. Monson will address that particular date, Dec 12, 2012, though. Very rarely do the scriptures mention a specific date. And the reason for that is that people would put off repenting until the last possible moment, if they knew exactly what was coming. And who knows, the Last Days for any of us can be tomorrow if we should die.

Jason wrote:[!

What if the Mayans are off by a day or two?[/quote]

The date is calculated by the "seasons", which date correlates to our Dec. 21, 2012, BEING the winter soltice date of begining...which correlates to the scientific findings of scientists calculating the soltice that year, and an alignment of certain heavenly bodies

kathyn wrote:I will put more faith in the scriptures and prophets than the Mayan Calendar. It may be that the Mayan calendar was inspired by the adversary because he knows about the stars and heavens and may be aware of something. I doubt that Pres. Monson will address that particular date, Dec 12, 2012, though. Very rarely do the scriptures mention a specific date. And the reason for that is that people would put off repenting until the last possible moment, if they knew exactly what was coming. And who knows, the Last Days for any of us can be tomorrow if we should die.

agreed, but, "they" aren't saying, on that date there is a second coming, the calendar merely points out a "time" factor of happenings...the date is "purely" a scientific finding with "folklore" of more

sbsion wrote:

Jason wrote: What if the Mayans are off by a day or two?

The date is calculated by the "seasons", which date correlates to our Dec. 21, 2012, BEING the winter soltice date of begining...which correlates to the scientific findings of scientists calculating the soltice that year, and an alignment of certain heavenly bodies

Don't we live in a time of changing seasons and times?

Jason wrote:[
Don't we live in a time of changing seasons and times?

let's be serious........movies are being made, history channel runs docs. on it, websites are popping up everywhere, millions are being affected by it...and, as time get's closer, just like Y2K, the panic will set in...seems like something shoulda, or woulda, or something, with something this "earthshaking"?

sbsion wrote: let's be serious........movies are being made,
history channel runs docs. on it, websites ar
popping up everywhere, millions are being
affected by it...and, as time get's closer,
just like Y2K, the panic will set in...seems
like something shoulda, or woulda, or something,
with something this "earthshaking"?

Sure: all you mention above is bound to
occur plus signs and wonders that will
deceive even the very elect, including
maybe even a faked "second coming."

Do I buy into all the 2012 hype? No.

Personally, I believe things are going
to get exciting enough BEFORE
December 21, 2012 that the actual
date, when it finally arrives, will seem
like a non-event by comparison.

Which is all the more reason, IMHO,
to spend less time watching TV and
surfing the internet, and more time
tuning in to the the Spirit of the Lord.

Best Regards,
Sharon (Helping people get prepared) in Mississippi

I bet it's about as eventful as Y2K

The scriptures teach not even the angels in heaven know when it wil occur, so why would satan or the History channel have a clue?

My point is, yes something could happen on that date. And I believe that the Adversary knows it, too, and will try to use that to his advantage...such as a false prophet taking that as his sign, rather than it meaning something else entirely. I do think there's a good possibility that something will happen then, but the adversary will take the credit for it. And also, I think stuff will hit the fan before then, just as ready2prepare has stated.

Patriotsaint, no it won't be the Second Coming, but it could be an event that could be a Sign of the Times which satan could/will try to use for his own purposes.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but why wouldn't the adversary have used Y2k in the same way? More of the world was worried about Y2k and talking about it than 2012.

It just seems like the "blind leading the blind" sort of scenario. Those that hype it up are those trying to make a profit from it like survival websites and holywood.

I plan on being prepared. Better safe than sorry, but I would be willing to bet it will be just another day.

ready2prepare wrote:

sbsion wrote: let's be serious........movies are being made,
history channel runs docs. on it, websites ar
popping up everywhere, millions are being
affected by it...and, as time get's closer,
just like Y2K, the panic will set in...seems
like something shoulda, or woulda, or something,
with something this "earthshaking"?

Sure: all you mention above is bound to
occur plus signs and wonders that will
deceive even the very elect, including
maybe even a faked "second coming."

Do I buy into all the 2012 hype? No.

Personally, I believe things are going
to get exciting enough BEFORE
December 21, 2012 that the actual
date, when it finally arrives, will seem
like a non-event by comparison.

Which is all the more reason, IMHO,
to spend less time watching TV and
surfing the internet, and more time
tuning in to the the Spirit of the Lord.

Best Regards,
Sharon (Helping people get prepared) in Mississippi

Amen to that!

patriotsaint wrote:I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but why wouldn't the adversary have used Y2k in the same way? More of the world was worried about Y2k and talking about it than 2012.
I plan on being prepared. Better safe than sorry, but I would be willing to bet it will be just another day.

agreed....doesn't matter what the implications are, but, Y2K wasn't hyped like this is going to be, and, as previously said, MORE might happen BEFORE 2012 than that date, ie. WW-3, pandamic flu, earthquakes, volcanoes, even the collapse of America

2012? How about 2010?

sooooooooooo.............does anyone KNOW if the "brethren" have spoken on this subject? Anything?

sbsion wrote:sooooooooooo.............does anyone KNOW
if the "brethren" have spoken on this subject? Anything?

Relating specifically to 2012, NO.

Best Regards,
Sharon (Helping people get prepared) in Mississippi

I cannot accurately affix dates to the Second Coming. For an individual, death could come at any moment, as mentioned, but in terms of "THE Second Coming," we can only look at the signs around us and prepare. It could be 2010 or 2012, or it could be 2400--long after my time on Earth! I don't think He will delay that long, but I don't want my future generations to doubt Him if it does take a little longer than I thought it would. He will appear in the first part of the 7th seal/1,000 years... The "first part" is a pretty broad statement. I might live to see Him return during my mortal experience, or I might not. Regardless, I think we must be prepared for what IS coming and what we WILL face during our lifetimes--and there is plenty on the close horizon to keep us occupied.

patriotsaint wrote:I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but why wouldn't the adversary have used Y2k in the same way? More of the world was worried about Y2k and talking about it than 2012.

It just seems like the "blind leading the blind" sort of scenario. Those that hype it up are those trying to make a profit from it like survival websites and holywood.

I plan on being prepared. Better safe than sorry, but I would be willing to bet it will be just another day.

Y2K was a completely different type of event - not exactly second coming type of stuff. Also, lest you continue to think that those warning about Y2K were just hyping it to make a profit.... let me enlighten you.

I was an IBM Assembly Mainframe programmer back in the mid-80's- early 2000s. Around 1995 was when it became a big concern about what was going to happen. I and large numbers of my fellow programmers (the businesses I worked for were banking and also some healthcare) had literally ROOMs full of programs. And if you have done any programming, don't think that we could pull up a nice editor and just do a search and cut and paste - these were on DUMB terminals and with VERY primitive editors by todays standards. Even with huge amounts of resources it was 1999 before we really felt like we had everything changed, and most of that had not been tested much and certainly not tested well to make sure that all of the pieces still worked together without errors. We spent most of 1999 doing those types of tests and we did find lots of problems during that time - but due to the sheer enormity of what had been done, as I programmer I am amazed that Y2K came and went with as few hiccups as there were. And if the industry had not realized the problem in time and if it had not been treated as seriously as it was - trust me the "hyped" version of Y2K could very easily have come about.

As someone who made no money from the Y2K hype, and as someone who saw the ramifications of what could happen if the problem was not addressed, I can tell you that the worst case scenarios that you heard were very real possibilities.

What if the Mayans are off by a day or two?

Is that our time or the Lord's time?

ready2prepare wrote: Do I buy into all the 2012 hype? No.

Me neither

but do i think something significant will happen around then, related to that time period? YES, absolutely

for mine, 11/9/1990 BUsh 1, 7 min 7 seconds into his UN speech- New World Order
11/9/2001 Bush 2 Sat there reading my pet goat upside down for 7 minutes 7 seconds
11/9/2012 is THE date to look out for
i don't know what that will be, but it will be THE day their new order comes into view
whatever happens on that day, watch 7 mins 7 seconds after that for your clue

maybe they just ran out of concrete on the calendar blocks?

If the Egyptian calendar ended in 2012, what would that mean to you? The Mayans have been gone a long time, as have the Egyptians. A lot of good the calendar did for them.

The whole mayan 2012 thing is a complete and total waste of time.

ithink wrote: The whole mayan 2012 thing is a complete and total waste of time.

a bit of fun if nothing else

ithink wrote:If the Egyptian calendar ended in 2012, what would that mean to you? The Mayans have been gone a long time, as have the Egyptians. A lot of good the calendar did for them.

The Lord instructed Abraham in Astronomy, Science, and Mathematics. He then commanded him to go to Egypt and teach the ruling class what he knew about those subjects. It seems plausible to me that ancient calendars are much more complex in eternally significant ways. Whether the Mayan calendar is one of them, I don't know. Maybe if we were raised in a culture that put more spiritual emphasis on cycles and dates like the Jews do, then it might seem more significant to us. To me it seems foreign, a date is just a number, but I don't think it's always been that way.

If the real effect on the earth is the gravitational pull because of the alignment of all of the celestial bodies, then we definitely will see an increase in strange events in the time approaching 2012, earthquakes etc... or maybe things we aren't used to seeing.

I wonder how long it will take after signs are given in the heavens for people to get used to the signs so they have no effect on them.

3 NEPHI 2:1 wrote:...and the people began to forget those signs and wonders which they had heard, and began to be less and less astonished at a sign or a wonder from heaven, insomuch that they began to be hard in their hearts, and blind in their minds, and began to disbelieve all which they had heard and seen—

ready2prepare wrote:[How about your "brethren," sbsion?
Have they said anything?
Best Regards,
Sharon (Helping people get prepared) in Mississippi

I'm sure Father knows, and I am waiting further "light and knowledge", so I started here, the spirit KNOWS