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Poltax wrote:

Pres. George Albert Smith apparently had a vision in which he saw a nuclear attack on the US, in the year of an election, during the Holiday period, and while a dark skinned President was in office. Could that be December 21st, 2012?

I would like to know where this is published. Do you have a reference for this?

Metzen wrote:No offense to President Smith's cousin, but I'd give this "revelation" roughly the same credence as the same news that Ferris Bueller passed out at 31 Flavors last night.

That isn't to say its not true, and that we shouldn't be prepared for any eventuality, but I wouldn't place stock in it and wouldn't let it trouble you. Nonetheless it is interesting and worth considering.

Original_Intent wrote:

patriotsaint wrote:I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but why wouldn't the adversary have used Y2k in the same way? More of the world was worried about Y2k and talking about it than 2012.

It just seems like the "blind leading the blind" sort of scenario. Those that hype it up are those trying to make a profit from it like survival websites and holywood.

I plan on being prepared. Better safe than sorry, but I would be willing to bet it will be just another day.

Y2K was a completely different type of event - not exactly second coming type of stuff. Also, lest you continue to think that those warning about Y2K were just hyping it to make a profit.... let me enlighten you.

I was an IBM Assembly Mainframe programmer back in the mid-80's- early 2000s. Around 1995 was when it became a big concern about what was going to happen. I and large numbers of my fellow programmers (the businesses I worked for were banking and also some healthcare) had literally ROOMs full of programs. And if you have done any programming, don't think that we could pull up a nice editor and just do a search and cut and paste - these were on DUMB terminals and with VERY primitive editors by todays standards. Even with huge amounts of resources it was 1999 before we really felt like we had everything changed, and most of that had not been tested much and certainly not tested well to make sure that all of the pieces still worked together without errors. We spent most of 1999 doing those types of tests and we did find lots of problems during that time - but due to the sheer enormity of what had been done, as I programmer I am amazed that Y2K came and went with as few hiccups as there were. And if the industry had not realized the problem in time and if it had not been treated as seriously as it was - trust me the "hyped" version of Y2K could very easily have come about.

As someone who made no money from the Y2K hype, and as someone who saw the ramifications of what could happen if the problem was not addressed, I can tell you that the worst case scenarios that you heard were very real possibilities.

Metzen wrote:It isn't the fact it isn't in the scriptures, but rather that President Smith's cousin has as much relevance, authority, and stewardship over us as the guy behind us in the checkout line.

I have no problem with 3rd party accounts when they come from someone in authority (or someone who is later put in authority, like in the case of Zelph being witnessed by 8 men that later became apostles, 3 of which later became prophets).

That said I do find it very interesting and have considered it a lot. But I still place it in the same category I put near-death experiences from people that have also have as much authority and stewardship as the guy in the checkout line. It mortifies me when people put so much emphasis on these accounts, quoting them and studying them, when we have been warned so much about being misled in the last days.

Better to stick to the trunk and the roots than wander in the leaves and small branches and end up falling from the tree...

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Original_Intent wrote:

patriotsaint wrote:I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but why wouldn't the adversary have used Y2k in the same way? More of the world was worried about Y2k and talking about it than 2012.

It just seems like the "blind leading the blind" sort of scenario. Those that hype it up are those trying to make a profit from it like survival websites and holywood.

I plan on being prepared. Better safe than sorry, but I would be willing to bet it will be just another day.

Y2K was a completely different type of event - not exactly second coming type of stuff. Also, lest you continue to think that those warning about Y2K were just hyping it to make a profit.... let me enlighten you.

I was an IBM Assembly Mainframe programmer back in the mid-80's- early 2000s. Around 1995 was when it became a big concern about what was going to happen. I and large numbers of my fellow programmers (the businesses I worked for were banking and also some healthcare) had literally ROOMs full of programs. And if you have done any programming, don't think that we could pull up a nice editor and just do a search and cut and paste - these were on DUMB terminals and with VERY primitive editors by todays standards. Even with huge amounts of resources it was 1999 before we really felt like we had everything changed, and most of that had not been tested much and certainly not tested well to make sure that all of the pieces still worked together without errors. We spent most of 1999 doing those types of tests and we did find lots of problems during that time - but due to the sheer enormity of what had been done, as I programmer I am amazed that Y2K came and went with as few hiccups as there were. And if the industry had not realized the problem in time and if it had not been treated as seriously as it was - trust me the "hyped" version of Y2K could very easily have come about.

As someone who made no money from the Y2K hype, and as someone who saw the ramifications of what could happen if the problem was not addressed, I can tell you that the worst case scenarios that you heard were very real possibilities.

There were a LOT of people who made a ton of money off spreading Y2K hype and information and selling prep books, etc., namely Gary North and Michael Hyatt... Gary North essentially went into hiding for about a year after the whole Y2K thing and then popped up again and now he's preying on people over new issues like the Mayan Calendar thing.

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Poltax wrote:

Pres. George Albert Smith apparently had a vision in which he saw a nuclear attack on the US, in the year of an election, during the Holiday period, and while a dark skinned President was in office. Could that be December 21st, 2012?

I would like to know where this is published. Do you have a reference for this?

Metzen wrote:Well, the original talks about a president of "greek decent", or something like that. And some have interpreted that to mean "not white", but the original description didn't say anything about skin color, only heritage.

Chip45 wrote: So it was real, just averted, just like Elder Faust stated.... optimistically.

sbsion wrote:

Chip45 wrote: So it was real, just averted, just like Elder Faust stated.... optimistically.

think we'll avert 12211211.11gmt? without incident?

sbsion wrote: btw, Obama's trial is supposed to start May 14...will it happen?