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ready2prepare wrote:[that comment was.
Has sbsion been following "other brethren"?

ready2prepare wrote:I obviously misunderstood some of your previous
posts, sbsion. Please accept my apo alogy. I just
removed the comment about "other brethren"
from my original post on this thread.
Best Regards,
Sharon (Helping people get prepared) in Mississippi

The Lord instructed Abraham in Astronomy, Science, and Mathematics. He then commanded him to go to Egypt and teach the ruling class what he knew about those subjects. It seems plausible to me that ancient calendars are much more complex in eternally significant ways. Whether the Mayan calendar is one of them, I don't know. Maybe if we were raised in a culture that put more spiritual emphasis on cycles and dates like the Jews do, then it might seem more significant to us. To me it seems foreign, a date is just a number, but I don't think it's always been that way.

If the real effect on the earth is the gravitational pull because of the alignment of all of the celestial bodies, then we definitely will see an increase in strange events in the time approaching 2012, earthquakes etc... or maybe things we aren't used to seeing.

I wonder how long it will take after signs are given in the heavens for people to get used to the signs so they have no effect on them.

NoGreaterLove wrote:[The problem with this date is, it is a guess. There are many variables that are unknown in our current calculation of what date corresponds to our modern date. Even those calculating it admit there are unknowns. So if the calander is accurate, our correlation of the date is probably not.
You can study many comments on its accuracy or lack of by searching on the internet. I personally think the mayan calander is accurate, but our interpretation of it is not.

NoGreaterLove wrote:The 122112 is just a theory base on hypothesis...
sounds like another Y2K to me...
http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle- ... er-21-2012

gruden wrote:

patriotsaint wrote:ps- The visions of Lehi and Nephi are different. They recorded their experiences, but there is no indication they blabbed them to every person they met. Even if they had done so, they were both prophets....the leaders of their people. We have the experiences today because another prophet (mormon) saw fit to include them in his abridgement as directed by the Spirit.

'Every person they met' was their families, especially Nephi. And Nephi recorded his (at least some of them) for his posterity. Nephi was shown some things he was specifically told not to tell anyone because it was someone else's job (John's). I suspect he withheld some things from his brothers because he would've been casting pearls before swine, but I also think he shared them with those family members that were capable of appreciating them.

Now, what specifically was it about Nephi's experiences that make them more public or prophetic than anyone else? In Jerusalem Lehi tells us that he was one of many prophets. What were prophets in those days? Men inspired by the Holy Ghost and sent out to preach repentance (3 Ne 6:20). Could not any of us be like them? Many of us have been on missions, so isn't that what we were doing?

In that sense we were acting as prophets in the same sense as we read in the scriptures. I think the Church membership has a distorted view of prophets because we think of the president as The Prophet, and there is no other prophets. But we sustain him as A prophet, as A seer, as A revelator for the church. Each individually is a spiritual gift we can seek for ourselves (my sister was told she had the gift of prophecy). What sets Pres. Monson apart from us are the keys and an administrative calling. Beyond that, the gifts available to him are the same ones available to you or me.

Any of us can be like Nephi if we develop the same faith as he had and write down and appropriately share our spiritual experiences like he did. Nephi told us exactly how he did it. There is absolutely nothing stopping us from doing the same... except ourselves.

NoGreaterLove wrote:Since the above mentioned debate two different intellectual cultures have emerged around the two possible end dates, one based on belief (December 21, 2012) and one based on evidence (October 28, 2011). These two cultures are about as different from one another as any one of them is from that using the Gregorian calendar. The proposal of the December 21, 2012 date is based on the unproven belief that the precessional cycle actually means something for human evolution, and, amazingly, as far as I know no one advocating this end date seems to have even bothered to try to prove this basic assumption.

patriotsaint wrote:I think the difference was that Lehi/Nephi were acting within their stewardships. I certainly believe that we can all do the same. I absolutely agree with you.

However, Interpreting doctrine in a way not substantiated by the brethren is not within brother Cohen's stewardship. That was my main point. It wouldn't bug me so much if he was sharing an uplifting personal experience.

SmallFarm wrote:Though the date of 2012 was originally based on the mayan calendar, there's more to it now.
For years "spiritual" gurus around the world promoted the year 2000 as their time of "awakening", but things aparently didn't go according to plan. Now you ask any medium or psychic when this will be and they will say 12/21/12. This is the date they are all talking about and are planning for. You may say that you shouldn't heed the words of a psychic and I don't but from everything I've read about the new world order you can bet I'm goiong to be watchful of this day.
In my opinion there will be lots of disasters (some even that aren't mad made) that tptb will use to their advantage to validate their false christ

sbsion wrote:

SmallFarm wrote:Though the date of 2012 was originally based on the mayan calendar, there's more to it now.
For years "spiritual" gurus around the world promoted the year 2000 as their time of "awakening", but things aparently didn't go according to plan. Now you ask any medium or psychic when this will be and they will say 12/21/12. This is the date they are all talking about and are planning for. You may say that you shouldn't heed the words of a psychic and I don't but from everything I've read about the new world order you can bet I'm goiong to be watchful of this day.
In my opinion there will be lots of disasters (some even that aren't mad made) that tptb will use to their advantage to validate their false christ

the date was configured according to scientific findings correllating with astrologic data of the Mayan calendar, THEN, the "gurus" or their followers began to focus on the data, hence.........well, we know there is a time coming, so, many have hung their hats on this one, just like the Y2kers, etc. and yes, LOTs-of-happenings, both natural and man..ww-3, world economies.....etc. corruption is rampant, America ..well, what can I say

Original_Intent wrote:If anything, post 12/21/12 I would not be surprised to see people starting to say "the Lord delayeth his coming."

SmallFarm wrote:

Original_Intent wrote:If anything, post 12/21/12 I would not be surprised to see people starting to say "the Lord delayeth his coming."

Yep it seems like that's the plan

kathyn wrote:SmallFarm, I'm with you. I think that signs of the times will be used by the New Agers to promote their religion and New World Order. After all, why waste a good crisis?

Pres. George Albert Smith apparently had a vision in which he saw a nuclear attack on the US, in the year of an election, during the Holiday period, and while a dark skinned President was in office. Could that be December 21st, 2012?