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Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 11:48 am
by Col. Flagg
shadow wrote:Col. Flagg wrote:
Long ago the church was in bondage because of debt. Now I wonder if the church is in political bondage.
501c3 has the church by the throat, which begs the question... can there be true leadership out of Salt Lake while the 'government' has their tongue?
So true! That's why I protest General Conference every 6 months. I also don't subscribe to the Ensign. I'm not going to listen to a bunch of sell-outs preach to me
(note the heavy sarcasm 8) )
Sarcasm aside... I'm serious... if our church leaders aren't delivering specific counsel/messages to its members because they signed the Fed's 501c3 document 35-40 years ago, how can you have genuine, true leadership when your tongue is stayed over political matters, many of which are moral and/or socio-economic issues that affect peoples' daily lives? Are they spiritual men and leaders? Sure, but their leadership as the Lord's mouthpieces on the earth surely goes way beyond that?
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 12:07 pm
by BroJones
I consider Pres. Packer's talk in Gen'l Conf. supporting the Constitution and Decl of Indep by going back to the Pioneers... And I find that the Brethren are speaking out, perhaps all that they can, but they are speaking out.
But BYU is Not the Church... (I say it again) And BYU is honoring Dick Cheney, lauding Mayer Rothschild, (both of these at the April 2007 Commencement at BYU), inviting Petraeus and Brzezinski and Harry Reid to speak... all the while not letting Constitutionalists speak (OK -- am I wrong? did BYU invite Ron Paul? --name one they invited outside the Brethren). Not to mention Prof Fry who writes in FAVOR of the NAU in published papers, bearing his BYU affiliation. The support for the global warming scam at BYU... I could go on.
I believe the main political division these days is NOT democrat/republican nor liberal vs. conservative -- it is:
NWO globalist/socialist versus Constitutional Principles.
And it concerns me the side I see BYU favoring...
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 12:14 pm
by buffalo_girl
Thank you Island4truth. It
is shocking that people in positions of authority over 'the flock' are often indifferent or unChristlike in fulfilling their callings as leaders and as private persons in the world.
My son told me that he said the word crap once and the son of this family asked, "Why are you swearing?"
When our youngest was five, he suddenly burst into tears. I asked him what happened. He said, "
I have a mother who uses the "C" word." I thought, "
the 'C' word, the 'C' word?" --- "
What's the 'C' word?", I asked him. "
Crap," he wailed.
That taught me a lesson, although I can't say I have never given into inappropriate expressions now and again over these many years. That son is 28 years old now and having a very difficult time staying clear of 'the world'.
Our children are so pure when they come into the world. We need to remember that we all were that precious and innocent. Our task is to be doing our utmost to regain that level of purity combined with the spiritual knowledge & understanding of Eternal Truth through the Holy Ghost so that we can be a light and a hope to the world.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 12:23 pm
by Col. Flagg
DrJones wrote:I believe the main political division these days is NOT democrat/republican nor liberal vs. conservative -- it is:
NWO globalist/socialist versus Constitutional Principles.
And it concerns me the side I see BYU favoring...
AMEN!!!
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 12:26 pm
by buffalo_girl
For a truly disturbing insight into why some of these things are occurring in our churches I suggest listening to Dr. Stanley Monteith's interview with Russ Dizdar - The Black Awakening at
http://www.radioliberty.com
On his main page you see a button
Listen Online. Go there. Scroll down until you find
Russ Dizdar-The Black Awakening on January 12. What he relates is very difficult to believe and profoundly disturbing. However, my own experiences with those who have served in special forces in various military operations convinces me that these things are true. We need to be pure enough to call upon the Powers of Heaven at any given moment.
Did I see that this Brother Wheatley was in the military in Nebraska? Nebraska is where all sorts of ritual child abuse occurs associated with the military base. Didn't he 'retire' from the military early & go into private life?
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 12:41 pm
by Col. Flagg
buffalo_girl wrote:For a truly disturbing insight into why some of these things are occurring in our churches I suggest listening to Dr. Stanley Monteith's interview with Russ Dizdar - The Black Awakening at
http://www.radioliberty.com
On his main page you see a button
Listen Online. Go there. Scroll down until you find
Russ Dizdar-The Black Awakening on January 12. What he relates is very difficult to believe and profoundly disturbing. However, my own experiences with those who have served in special forces in various military operations convinces me that these things are true. We need to be pure enough to call upon the Powers of Heaven at any given moment.
Did I see that this Brother Wheatley was in the military in Nebraska? Nebraska is where all sorts of ritual child abuse occurs associated with the military base. Didn't he 'retire' from the military early & go into private life?
What I don't understand is why the church even signed the IRS' 501c3? They're already a religious institution and as such, they automatically qualify for tax-exempt status... were there other perks, advantages or benefits to signing a 501c3 document?
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 1:14 pm
by bobhenstra
Amazing! Myself, after having been declared "brain dead" by one called Aussie, having been told I'm going to die or suffer great physical and mental damage because I took the flu shots by several others, am "still" capable of seeing and recognizing the separation of the wheat and the tares right "here" on this site.
May this brain dead and sorry physical wreck of a human being feeble suggest we follow and especially "trust" our prophet, no matter "where" it "seems" he is leading us!
I humble suggest, in my ever increasing weakness, that we continue to donate to the BYU scholarship programs of our choice to help those very intelligent students who lack the rich parents paying their way, supplying expensive cars to drive and condos to party in,-- and a vice presidency in daddy's company after graduation--- The poor students need our help!
May I suggest, in my current injection induced mental depraved condition, that we remain humble, donate increased fast offerings to help those in desperate need and "trust" that those funds will be wisely spent.
May I simply suggest we study and make at least a token attempt to search the correct meaning of the "Parable of the Ten virgins" and at least try to make the attempt with hopefully humble hearts to decide which side of "wise" we're actually on.
May I suggest that we realize "ambition beyond existence is the essential purpose of our being."
Indeed, we're being told we are "unaware of the concealed disaster behind our blind ambition" by those "who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" May I suggest we allow them no influence on our decisions and actions.
In my humble wretched crumbling uneducated mind and body, may I suggest we simply follow our prophet and make every possible attempt to be prepared in every needful thing that our circumstances allow.
Then, we'll have no fear, and know we'll be blessed in every "needful" thing as world conditions continue to decline,-- as is promised!
Bob
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 1:35 pm
by buffalo_girl
Oh, Bob, maybe those who disagree with you just don't understand what you are trying to say. That happened to me just a few posts back. Gruden took issue with what I thought was a perfectly clear take on this situation.
I get the feeling you are saying pretty much the same thing I did. You just aren't as perturbed by what is going on as some of the rest of us.
We shouldn't be calling one another names, though.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 1:47 pm
by Mosby
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 1:51 pm
by Istand4truth
There are many good things about BYU. My son is getting a good education there. I believe it is much better for him to attend there than many other universities out there. I counseled him to attend there because I believe the good things outweigh the bad. For him attending BYU was the right decision. After all you will find liberal and NWO influences at many if not all universities these days.
I guess my main concern with some of the things going on at BYU now is that less politically astute students will think that the church supports the NWO.
Students attending universities that are not church owned would automatically realize that they need to take anything they are taught with a grain of salt so they would be very careful and skeptical in their classes and forums.
On the other hand, students attending BYU would not have this same skepticism. Perhaps they would be less vigilant and not study for themselves and investigate for themselves believing that is not necessary at the "Lord's University"
Hopefully most BYU students are intelligent enough to find the truth for themselves, but I remember myself at that age. I was very naive and believing of anyone in authority. But then we didn't have the internet in those days, and I believe that makes a big difference.
But I was not interested in politics then anyway so I would not have attended any political forums. I preferred hanging out with my roommates and doing things like playing sardines in the Eyring Science Center and eating oreo shakes and raw cookie dough in my free time. Instead of attending the Wheatey Forum I think most BYU students were probably studying in their dorms or the library or just having fun and fooling around.!
Buffalo Girl: I agree we have to be very careful of those little watchful eyes around us. Interesting story about your son.
Our Christian neighbors are very loving and kind. They are an example to us. There definitely isn't a wealth of Christian service in our faith only. They have made me want to be a better parent and person.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 2:02 pm
by bobhenstra
Was he impeached, is he in jail?
Bob
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 2:25 pm
by BroJones
"With all due respect Bob- that is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while especially the "I have no proof Cheney was involved in anything" part."
Cheney admitted that he promoted torture by US personnel, in a televised interview. This action was against the Geneva Convention and International Law, but that did not stop him.
Sec'y of Transportation (on 9/11/2001) Mineta's testimony regarding the lack of air defenses on 9/11 points to the clear involvement of Dick Cheney. When Mineta's testimony became public, he was pressed to resign (which he did).
Cheney sacked Sec'y of Treasury Paul O'Neill when O'Neill opposed him on pre-emptive war and on Cheney's well-publicized statement "Deficits don't matter."
Deficits DO matter.
I personally called for impeachment of Dick Cheney as a US citizen, in public meetings, a few months before I was placed on admin. leave, and was warned or advised by university officials (specifically) to not speak of Cheney.
The lack of justice in this life for Dr. Cheney (so far anyway) does not imply his innocence.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 2:36 pm
by Col. Flagg
DrJones wrote:The lack of justice in this life (so far anyway) does not imply his innocence.
Exactly!
Bob... you must not be aware of a great many things regarding his involvement in 9/11. He was directly responsible for the Pentagon being hit as he had issued a stand down order when it became obvious the war game drills they just so happened to be engaged in that morning (with planes flying into buildings no less - gee, what a coincidence) were no longer just drills, but a real situation at hand, with a plane heading for Washington, DC and a concerned soldier about the plane being X number of miles out for several minutes, when he finally asked Cheney "do the orders still stand", to which Cheney replied "of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary"? Obviously, the plane was almost to its target and the soldier was worried about it not being intercepted. Cheney was complicit in the deaths of over 3,000 people that day Bob and as a reward, BYU gives him an honorary doctorate in 'public service'.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 2:40 pm
by Mosby
Thanks Dr.Jones/Col.- you beat me to it.
As well he has the blood of about 500,000 or more innocent civilians on his hands for his role in lying about Iraq. But hey, like Bob said he wasn't convicted of anything. I think his "conviction" with come from a judge with a little more power than one in black robe.
Sad that most people agree with Hannity, and say that Dick Chenney was "tough on terror" and that he is a "Great American"
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 2:45 pm
by Col. Flagg
Mosby wrote:Thanks Dr.Jones/Col.- you beat me to it.
As well he has the blood of about 500,000 or more innocent civilians on his hands for his role in lying about Iraq. But hey, like Bob said he wasn't
convicted of anything. I think his "conviction" with come from a judge with a little more power than one in black robe.
Good points.
Sad that most people agree with Hannity, and say that Dick Chenney was "tough on terror" and that he is a "Great American"
Hannity, O'Reilly... these guys are nothing but nitwit pom pom boys for the republican party. They wouldn't see or tell you the truth if it hit them right between the eyes (unless of course it made the republican party look good). They're mainstream propagandists for the 'government'. If Bush were to have killed someone in cold blood, these two yo-yo's would find a way to defend and justify it... if Obama were to do it, they'd call for him to be impeached then tossed in prison or given the death sentence... that's how absurd it is.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 2:46 pm
by shadow
bobhenstra wrote:Amazing! Myself, after having been declared "brain dead" by one called Aussie, having been told I'm going to die or suffer great physical and mental damage because I took the flu shots by several others, am "still" capable of seeing and recognizing the separation of the wheat and the tares right "here" on this site.
May this brain dead and sorry physical wreck of a human being feeble suggest we follow and especially "trust" our prophet, no matter "where" it "seems" he is leading us!
In my humble wretched crumbling uneducated mind and body, may I suggest we simply follow our prophet and make every possible attempt to be prepared in every needful thing that our circumstances allow.
Then, we'll have no fear, and know we'll be blessed in every "needful" thing as world conditions continue to decline,-- as is promised!
Bob
Thanks Bob. Sound advise even from an imbecile.
bobhenstra wrote:I humble suggest, in my ever increasing weakness, that we continue to donate to the BYU scholarship programs of our choice...
Bob
It ain't gonna happen Bob! I won't do it, not to BYU
or any school 8)
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 3:32 pm
by AussieOi
Bob which of these guys do you think will mock god, our prophet, our religion and members by using a sacred token on pres monson?
I'm soRry if you took bother by my comment, I rarely say such thing, but truly you must be in a self induced coma if you can visit an ldg discussioon web site and still, think cheney is clean
Still, you do us a favour by demonstrating why, these criminals should_not_be afforded a podium in front of so many feeble gullible manipulable people incapable of logical or independant thought
I encourage ALL of us to go actually. 1 less seat available for others
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 3:51 pm
by bobhenstra
My friends, I'm fully aware of all the accusations, all the declared proofs, all the things Cheney said, all the things others have said. I'm fully aware of all the great things Steve has done driving nails in the coffins of todays ldg's. I'm also aware that nothing, I repeat, NOTHING has been done to convict Cheney/others of any of those crimes. I have seen none of these "guilty" parties in coffins, only the innocent.
Have we, as a church, who suffered many injustices, persecution, murders, rapes, have we forgotten the law, are not Cheney and others presumed
innocent until
proven guilty! Is it "now" proper to lynch him/them in the forum of public opinion, as we as a church and our leaders were, during it's early days, are our own church leaders doing so today?
Many of you here seem to have some strange idea that we members of the true church are the one's responsible for the current failure of our country. It seems the thought is, it was "us" who failed to secure our country's values, our sacred honor, our liberties.
My friends, we are 6 million strong in a country of 300 million, we're .02% of this country's population.
Allowing for agency, just how much influence do any of you, my friends, suppose we have, will be responsible for, how much influence do we really have in the total scheme of reality in this country? There are far more ldg's in this country than there are priesthood holders. And still considering agency, what more can we do but declare repentance? ---I suppose we could drop a few mountains-- If only the Lord would allow us--
The Lord through his Prophet could have changed all that, he chose not to do so, why? Agency, as a country, it's whole population, not just members of his true church, had to choose using their agency. As a whole, the people of our country chose poorly! Indeed half of the membership of the True Church has and will also choose poorly. Were we not told that would happen?
Because we have been unable to influence the choices of most in our own country and in the world----especially Australia
----"We" are not failures, just imperfect--and that only for the moment! We have no control over the agency of the ldg's, lets accomplish what we do have control over, our own preparation!
But we'll get there, I have no doubts! The going will continue to get rougher, but we as the true church will manage, and survive. "We" have our Lord, and his promises!
Bob
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 4:37 pm
by Mahonri
Bob,
President Benson said that it was our fault as Priesthood holders what happened for good or ill in America, so YES, it is our collective fault.
I share in the blame as well as every other holder of the Priesthood.
And yes, we must expose the hidden things of darkness wherein we know them if we are to follow the scriptures, and not follow some self righteous feel good thought that is actually a twisting of a true principle. We must expose the hidden things of darkness so these people can be punished. If we do not, well then Moroni promises us that we will be destroyed.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 5:11 pm
by bobhenstra
Mahonri wrote:Bob,
President Benson said that it was our fault as Priesthood holders what happened for good or ill in America, so YES, it is our collective fault.
I share in the blame as well as every other holder of the Priesthood.
And yes, we must expose the hidden things of darkness wherein we know them if we are to follow the scriptures, and not follow some self righteous feel good thought that is actually a twisting of a true principle. We must expose the hidden things of darkness so these people can be punished. If we do not, well then Moroni promises us that we will be destroyed.
Wow bud, you sound very liberal! We fail as individuals, I'm responsible for my sins and my sins only. I may have messed up somewhere along the line, but I feel I've done my part to the best of my strengths and my weaknesses. President Benson was a high official in the government of his day, he was an Apostle of the Lord, and the ldg's of his day continued on. Why? Agency!
The fact is, the Church will prevail! We who are left after the cleansing will take our surviving children into the Millennium with very humble and broken (as in tamed) hearts. The Lord will have a tried and tested people then. Where we have failed as individuals in the past, we'll succeed in the near future, whichever side of the veil we're on.
And who are we exposing the ldg wickedness to, the people who won't believe, or the Lord who already knows. We preach repentance to the sinners, that is the commandment! We preach forgiveness and knowledge to each other, that also is the commandment.
We live in today, not President Benson's day! I suggest we follow President Monson, seek the Spirit, and understand whatever happens to each of us during the cleansing, because we are prepared "All is well"
Bob
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 5:20 pm
by AussieOi
Bob 6m is a massive number- AND 2% not .02
Was governor boggs charged and convicted?
Have we seen hugh heffner charged?
Was larry flynt guilty in the end?
Let's invite anton le vey and the southpark creators if that's the standard
Of course jesus was found guilty of a capital offence
And joseph smith was in prison how many times?
But yea all is well in zion
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 5:40 pm
by larsenb
bobhenstra wrote: I'm also aware that nothing, I repeat, NOTHING has been done to convict Cheney/others of any of those crimes. I have seen none of these "guilty" parties in coffins, only the innocent. Bob
Not quite right, Bob. The first step in getting a conviction is gathering evidence and testimony and conducting investigations. Much of this has been done in so far as it can be done without exercising real legal power, especially regarding the events of 9/11 and the bogus story put forward to explain them. The work of Steve Jones and many others has been to force a real investigation into those events.
Many, many people have made much effort to catalog and get into public forums the strange anomolies and suspicious alleged activities/statements by Dick Cheney and so many others involved in 9/11 and subsequent events. There has been at least one concerted effort to get Cheney impeached. Norm Mineta's testimony about his behavior in the White House 'bunker' on 9/11 regarding the incoming flight 77, alone, should be enough testimony to investigate Cheney, and others. Why isn't this happening? Is it because there is NOT enough evidence? I don’t think so.
Point being, you certainly aren't going to get convictions if the perpetrators or those they are manipulating are in control of key elements of the justice system and the so-called investigations that have already been conducted. And that is what we seem to be seeing.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 5:50 pm
by bobhenstra
Aussie, if we are prepared we'll have no fear, and all is well! If we're not prepared, different story---
You got no wicked in Australia, nobody you can but in jail there? You have no Cheney types, no gov Bogg types, or are you just concerned about those types here in the good ol USA?
You right 2%, I just typed it in wrong, dirty rotten fingers, going faster than my mind----
Caught it again-my mind-- every once in a while it gets away from me--
Bob
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 6:07 pm
by Mahonri
bobhenstra wrote:Mahonri wrote:Bob,
President Benson said that it was our fault as Priesthood holders what happened for good or ill in America, so YES, it is our collective fault.
I share in the blame as well as every other holder of the Priesthood.
And yes, we must expose the hidden things of darkness wherein we know them if we are to follow the scriptures, and not follow some self righteous feel good thought that is actually a twisting of a true principle. We must expose the hidden things of darkness so these people can be punished. If we do not, well then Moroni promises us that we will be destroyed.
Wow bud, you sound very liberal! We fail as individuals, I'm responsible for my sins and my sins only. I may have messed up somewhere along the line, but I feel I've done my part to the best of my strengths and my weaknesses. President Benson was a high official in the government of his day, he was an Apostle of the Lord, and the ldg's of his day continued on. Why? Agency!
The fact is, the Church will prevail! We who are left after the cleansing will take our surviving children into the Millennium with very humble and broken (as in tamed) hearts. The Lord will have a tried and tested people then. Where we have failed as individuals in the past, we'll succeed in the near future, whichever side of the veil we're on.
And who are we exposing the ldg wickedness to, the people who won't believe, or the Lord who already knows. We preach repentance to the sinners, that is the commandment! We preach forgiveness and knowledge to each other, that also is the commandment.
We live in today, not President Benson's day! I suggest we follow President Monson, seek the Spirit, and understand whatever happens to each of us during the cleansing, because we are prepared "All is well"
Bob
Holy smokes, that was one fo the least logical, anti scriptural, knee jerk reaction I have seen in a long time. Thanks for the laugh.
Re: BYU lands Brzezinski, Schlesinger, Petraeus to speak
Posted: January 15th, 2010, 6:11 pm
by bobhenstra
larsenb wrote:bobhenstra wrote: I'm also aware that nothing, I repeat, NOTHING has been done to convict Cheney/others of any of those crimes. I have seen none of these "guilty" parties in coffins, only the innocent. Bob
Not quite right, Bob. The first step in getting a conviction is gathering evidence and testimony and conducting investigations. Much of this has been done in so far as it can be done without exercising real legal power, especially regarding the events of 9/11 and the bogus story put forward to explain them. The work of Steve Jones and many others has been to force a real investigation into those events.
Many, many people have made much effort to catalog and get into public forums the strange anomolies and suspicious alleged activities/statements by Dick Cheney and so many others involved in 9/11 and subsequent events. There has been at least one concerted effort to get Cheney impeached. Norm Mineta's testimony about his behavior in the White House 'bunker' on 9/11 regarding the incoming flight 77, alone, should be enough testimony to investigate Cheney, and others. Why isn't this happening? Is it because there is NOT enough evidence? I don’t think so.
Point being, you certainly aren't going to get convictions if the perpetrators or those they are manipulating are in control of key elements of the justice system and the so-called investigations that have already been conducted. And that is what we seem to be seeing.
Exactly right Brad, it isn't going to happen as long as the ldg's are in charge! Soon, very soon the cleansing will start and the ldg's will be destroyed. Thats why I emphasize for "us" preparation first over investigation. The Lord will deal with them after our living Prophet calls them to repentance and they will fail to repent, due to the depth of their crimes.
Now, I'm talking to "us. I believe the investigations may help convert some people, I don't know how the Lord will use Steve's investigations and facts, but I do know the wicked will be gathered together (tares) and be destroyed by fire. What type of fire that is, I'm not yet sure!
I'm prepared and have no fear, I'm sure you are also! the thing to do is get as many prepared as possible and not concern ourselves about the ldgs, they're now the Lord's problem. We'll deal with them later in Spirit Prison!
Bob