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shadow wrote:

AussieOi wrote:oh dead this is embarrassing

here we are measuring our manhood and engaging in pathetic USU BYU rubbish talk while these NWO and war mongers are coming to town

guys, wake up. no one except you people gives a sh*t. sorry. dont edit this. its the only word that might get through

it is so utterly utterly irrelevent

It's all in good fun. Ignore if you must! We don't take our schools too seriously, at least I hope we don't

AussieOi wrote:Lets create a poll

1) How many get honorary doctorates, and (all)
2) What will it be for, (services to humanity)
3) Which one will give President MOnson a freemason handshake? (Zbig Zbrother)

Mahonri wrote:Do any lovers of the Constitution actually still donate to them?

buffalo_girl wrote:Christ said it best in Matthew 18:7:

7 ¶ Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

We cannot develop spiritually without opposition - which most often seems to come in the form of injustices directed at us in one way or another by some one. There also seems to be a hierarchy of offenses which are increasingly more difficult to negotiate and/or endure with Christian grace.

Ignorance seems to be at the source of these 'offences', but of course, "no man can be saved in ignorance."

I don't think we're so hard-up for opposition that we have to invite more, BG. Last I checked we had plenty.

buffalo_girl wrote:Thank you, Aussie, for your wise counsel.

Hey, our oldest son is wandering around Australia even as we speak! He's 6'5", curly reddish hair, jewish caste to his visage, goes by the name of Ephraim. He may be 'drunken' as he is an inactive traveling with an Australian friend who does lighting for rock shows in your country.

Actually, he's in Tasmania for a few more days. No cell phone service there. He had to call his wife from a pay phone. Better for his brain cells, for sure.

Col. Flagg wrote:

AussieOi wrote:Lets create a poll

1) How many get honorary doctorates, and (all)
2) What will it be for, (services to humanity)
3) Which one will give President MOnson a freemason handshake? (Zbig Zbrother)

This one is easy... an honorary doctorate in public service for all three (just like with Cheney). What a joke.

BYU to give Cheney honorary degree
BYU to give Cheney honorary degree
By Tad Walch
Deseret Morning News
BYU to give Cheney honorary degree
By Tad Walch
Deseret Morning News

PROVO - Brigham Young University will bestow on Vice President Dick Cheney an honorary degree Thursday when he speaks at the university’s commencement exercises, a decision that further frustrated Cheney’s opponents on campus.

BYU and its board of trustees will give Cheney an Honorary Doctorate of Public Service and award honorary doctorates to four long-time university supporters.

The other recipients are Ira Fulton, Honorary Doctorate of Engineering; Mary Lou Fulton, Honorary Doctorate of Education; and Jack R. and Mary Lois Wheatley, Honorary Doctorates of Humane Letters.

A number of professors and students who either opposed Cheney’s visit or welcomed the visit while criticizing the vice president’s policies had said that if BYU chose to bestow an honorary degree on Cheney, it would feel to them like an endorsement of Cheney’s policies by the university and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which owns the school.

“There are a number of faculty and students who are shocked and surprised and dismayed that Mr. Cheney will not only be honored as a commencement speaker but also receive an honorary degree from BYU,” business professor Warner Woodworth said. “I believe this is the first time in BYU history the school has so honored a commencement speaker who is in the process of being impeached by Congress.”

For the rest of this article see:

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,12 ... 19,00.html

buffalo_girl wrote:

I don't think we're so hard-up for opposition that we have to invite more, BG. Last I checked we had plenty.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I'm no happier about these people at BYU than you are. I'm outraged that this "Wheatley Institute" imagines they are doing the students an intellectual 'favor' by exposing youth to luciferian madmen, perhaps demon possessed madmen.

On the home front, my recently converted husband & I are having quite a spiritual struggle reconciling behavior of someone in the Ward with authority over us as our 'spiritual leader', but sadly also my husband's employer. It is a dilemma I would gladly forego. As my husband observed, "It's very confusing."

What prompts supposedly 'good' Mormons to do things that test our faith in the Church? I suspect it is ignorance on their part. I do not know.

I guess I would rather think they are ignorant and try to enlighten them than to believe they are corrupt and consciously wicked, although considering the horrific consequences of their behavior upon those who are 'tried' by the 'offense', it may well appear corrupt and wicked.

Now, there are two things which can be done about these 'offenses'. We can go to the offender with the purpose of clarifying the situation in as Christlike a manner as possible thereby assisting the 'offender' to realize how his conduct has impacted our lives, giving ourselves a chance to fully understand what the intent was in the first place - it may have been a misunderstanding on our own part, and thus claiming an opportunity to resolve a situation that could further impact our lives negatively...

or

We can assume the 'offender(s)' are fully aware of their intent; that everyone around them is in on the conspiracy to corrupt our youth or in my personal life, drive my husband from the Church; and that Church leaders from the lowliest to the most exalted are subject to pettiness, viciousness, blind adulation of political power and wealth, indifference to our loss of liberty, etc., etc.. Given this response to the 'ignorance' of the 'offender', we have turned our backs on Christ and stomped out of the Church!

Being misjudged and badly treated by members of the Church during my single parent days of yore, I responded to the 'offenses' and the 'offenders' in the second manner. In my heart of hearts I knew the behavior directed at me was unChristlike, but I accepted someone else's unChristlike behavior as representative of Christ and His Church. That response led me down a long path of cynicism and anger. It wasn't good for my sons either.

Over the years, as I have drawn closer to my Savior it is easier for me to recognize certain behaviors on the part of 'good' Mormons as being contrary to what I understand to be Christlike. I recognize that perhaps they just haven't mastered that particular principle yet. I'm not offended, or if I am then I have a responsibility to 'enlighten' them as to why I am offended. We can take it from there.

That's why I also posted the 2 Nephi 28 verse, all being led astray save the humble followers of Christ. This is His Church. If He wants to hang me upside down and insult me, I'll take it and not question his motive.

If any 'good' Mormon behaves in such a manner, I will assume he is ignorant in the first place, try to understand what the devil is going on in the second place, and after doing what I know to be responsible and Christlike as possible, I will leave it up to the Lord to make the correction.

I have witnessed how the Lord 'corrects' those in the Church who should know better. He does a much more thorough and humbling job of it than I could possibly do.

We need to exercise our Faith regardless of what anyone else does.

AussieOi wrote:brain dead

DrJones wrote:The Wheatley Institute at BYU is named after donor Jack R, Wheatley, who received an HONORARY DOCTORAL DEGREE FROM BYU at the same April 2007 commencement where Dick Cheney received the HONORARY DOCTORAL DEGREE from BYU... and Mayer Rothschild was lauded by the BYU Alumni President. (Three months after I was early-retired/ousted, incidentally... as I opposed the NWO and Cheney's policies in particular...)

Do you suppose that major donor Wheatley is a NWO/globalist?? and is influencing BYU big time??

hey, i was just 100km away from melbourne for a week- we're a city of 5m and I had no service. its pathetic.

gruden wrote:

DrJones wrote:The Wheatley Institute at BYU is named after donor Jack R, Wheatley, who received an HONORARY DOCTORAL DEGREE FROM BYU at the same April 2007 commencement where Dick Cheney received the HONORARY DOCTORAL DEGREE from BYU... and Mayer Rothschild was lauded by the BYU Alumni President. (Three months after I was early-retired/ousted, incidentally... as I opposed the NWO and Cheney's policies in particular...)

Do you suppose that major donor Wheatley is a NWO/globalist?? and is influencing BYU big time??

I didn't go to BYU, and stuff like this only reinforces why. I see great meaning in that a person as forthright as you was driven out.

It spoke volumes... when a good, LDS man of character, integrity, honor and courage like Dr. Jones, who holds no resentment toward BYU or the church for what happened, is forced into retirement because of his pursuit of and outspokenness about the truth of the biggest crime ever perpetrated on American soil (9/11), you know all is not well in Zion.

Long ago the church was in bondage because of debt. Now I wonder if the church is in political bondage.

501c3 has the church by the throat, which begs the question... can there be true leadership out of Salt Lake while the 'government' has their tongue?

In any case, my wife throws away the alumni donation solicitations when they arrive. That they get a portion of our tithing is more than enough.

Amen.

Col. Flagg wrote:
Long ago the church was in bondage because of debt. Now I wonder if the church is in political bondage.

501c3 has the church by the throat, which begs the question... can there be true leadership out of Salt Lake while the 'government' has their tongue?

shadow wrote:So true! That's why I protest General Conference every 6 months.