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bobhenstra wrote:Hmmm, Gary I worked at BYU for 14 years, I found the vast majority of students there were very intelligent people. Their not at all like most USU students who couldn't get into BYU. I think they'll do just fine!

My oldest grand daughter was a Sterling scholar in Cedar City, she was presented with and accepted a full ride Presidential Scholarship at the U. Her double major chemistry and physics. USU and Weber State offered her their campus, BYU only offered her a half tuition scholarship. I,-- was very put out---- But it speaks well as to the quality of student admitted there.

My oldest child, a daughter was offered a full ride music scholarship at Weber State, a half tuition scholarship at BYU, and that only because I worked there. She attended BYU, where she earned her Mrs. and Pht degrees.

Bob

I was just razzing the fine BYU fans on this site! I hoped I'd get a response from you Bob . Buffalo Girl attended BYU and I think she's one of the smartest people around.
I'd love to sit down with you and have some Aggie ice cream but I already ate it all. I suppose we could talk about Max Hall's great sportsmanlike conduct Maybe we could talk about BYU's national BB poll numbers. (We won't talk about how USU beat them by 10) 8)

Buffalo Girl attended BYU and I think she's one of the smartest people around.

So kind of you to say that. However, I think I gave at least two BYU professors an early start on a grey head of hair. They weren't used to challenging questions or comments from little Mormon girls.

Max Hall, well bud, if some guy had thrown beer all over my wife, he would be smiling through broken teeth, his nose spread all over his face. But heck, thats just me, Max took it better then me-- The wimp actually accepted a police escort out of RES. Then got his revenge on TV--- But somehow, I think he made his point to the right people---

And about BB, we're 18 and ONE!!! You guys? Or is your whole season wrapped up in one game---

Aggies know how to make ice cream?? Since when----

I consider BG a brilliant example of brilliance! And I mean it!

Bob

bobhenstra wrote: BYU only offered her a half tuition scholarship.

sigh. only half

if only she could play football eh.

I heard a commentator (Webster Tarpley I think) suggest that the Obama administration will invariably give way to a republican (read controlled opposition) administration of "austerity" probably under someone with military background. He suggested Petraeus as a likely candidate and then I thought "that sounds Greek!". Then warning bells sounded...

But, I think he is not of Greek extraction and the name is Dutch...

Does BYU teach sound political science classes on the Constitution? I heard H Verlan Andersen got a lot of stick when he was there. I can understand, to some extent, teaching differing viewpoints but I cannot understand how an official policy can be set that belittles solid principles - the Brethren would do something about that would they not???

p.s. I am English and absolutely clueless as to how a Church-owned university works but I do understand that ownership should equal control (though I know the Church will be as flexible in that as possible so as to allow people their agency).

bobhenstra wrote:Max Hall, well bud, if some guy had thrown beer all over my wife, he would be smiling through broken teeth, his nose spread all over his face. But heck, thats just me, Max took it better then me-- The wimp actually accepted a police escort out of RES. Then got his revenge on TV--- But somehow, I think he made his point to the right people---

"I don't like Utah, in fact I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, their fans. I hate everything!" - Governor Boggs, oops, I mean Max Hall

Each summer the BYU students have a book that they are assigned to read. A few years ago it was a book about the Constitution. I believe it was called something like "The Words We Live By". Please correct me if I am wrong. My niece was entering BYU as a freshman that year and that is how I know.

There have been a few talks at forums and devotionals about the US Constitution and the importance of learning about it, so I know that BYU has also promoted the Constitution as of late.

As far as the latest on these speakers: Perhaps it is just ignorance and naivete on the parts of those who have invited the speakers. Maybe they assume that these people just want the best for us. They (the BYU professors) are probably so busy in their own professions and lives that they haven't had time to do research about what is really going on. They are so micro specialized in their own little world that all seems well. I know that when I visit my son at BYU I get this Happy Valley feeling that all is well all over the world because things are so unrealistic and perfect at BYU in that small microcosm there.

We used to say "The Campus Is Our World." I think that people who live and work at BYU get that secure feeling all of the time and maybe it warps their sense of what is really going on around them.

Another thing that probably happens on a regular basis is that these speakers have whole offices whose job it is to promote them. They earn their living on the speaking circuit and probably have promotional offices that approach the universities. That way they can get into the Universities and mold those skulls full of mush. Perhaps it is hard for Universities to say no and there is some pressure on them to say yes.

I have a son who is attending BYU right now and I am half tempted to tell him to attend these events and report back to me. I hate to do that to him thought because those type of CFR guys seem to be pretty boring speakers! Usually they speak in code instead of frank talk. I hate that and so does my son!

Brezinski Speaking at BYU? Who will they invite next? Gadianton, Korihor, Sherem maybe? No doubt Patreaus will tell the students we are engaged in a noble cause in the middle east..blah...blah...blah.

All I can say is it is a good thing I have solid testimony or this sort of thing would really push me over the edge. Whatever happened to do what is right let the conseqeunce follow?

p51-mustang wrote:Brezinski Speaking at BYU? Who will they invite next? Gadianton, Korihor, Sherem maybe? No doubt Patreaus will tell the students we are engaged in a noble cause in the middle east..blah...blah...blah.

All I can say is it is a good thing I have solid testimony or this sort of thing would really push me over the edge. Whatever happened to do what is right let the conseqeunce follow?

Amen mustang!!

I have lost all fear for telling the truth. Bob and others won't like it, but frankly -- "I don't care". There is simply too much at stake to keep pussy footing around.

Let there be no mistake. There is one reason only as to why Brzezinski is coming to BYU. Substance of that can be found in this headline: "Hypocrite Brzezinski Slams "Conspiratorial View" Of History While Highlighting 50's Iran Overthrow" saying "During a discussion with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last Friday, Trilateral Commission co-founder and top Obama advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski spoke of those who question the official version of events on 9/11 in the same context as those who deny the holocaust. "

Now we all know that Moroni commanded us "to awake to your awful situation" and what will happen if we do. There is no doubt that the adversary has inspired this decision to allow one of Satan's leading followers to pollute the minds of the young and diminish faith in the validity of Moroni's message.

If I was at BYU, I would withdraw and tell them why.
If I had a child as a student there, I would withdraw them, and tell them why.
If I was in Provo, I would not attend.
If everyone did this, and the speakers arrived to an empty hall, it would be enough.

If enough of the people would do this, things would change.

BYU, the church's university, has chosen Brzezinski. Now make your pick, is it Moroni, or is it Brzezinski?

Despite the fact that I should be spinning wool and cleaning my house, I can't help but post a few quotes from our president's foreign policy handler:

http://www.bariumblues.com/brzezinski.htm

from Brzezinski's book "Between Two Ages" written in 1970

"a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations" (page 57):

"In addition... future developments may well include automated or manned space warships, deep-sea installations, chemical and biological weapons, death rays, and still other forms of warfare--even the weather may be tampered with.*

"In addition, it may be possible--and tempting--to exploit for strategic-political purposes the fruits of research on the brain and on human behavior. Gordon J. F. MacDonald, a geophysicist specializing in problems of warfare, has written that timed artificially excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth.... In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period.... No matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades."

"...techniques for conducting secret warfare" (footnote page 57)

"As one specialist noted, 'By the year 2018, technology will make available to the leaders of the major nations, a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised. One nation may attack a competitor covertly by bacteriological means, thoroughly weakening the population (though with a minimum of fatalities) before taking over with its own armed forces. Alternatively, techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm....(Gordon J. F. MacDonald, "Space," in Toward the year 2018, p.34). "

“The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.”

http://www.ourrepubliconline.com/OurRepublic/Author/62

“We cannot leap into world government in one quick step.... In brief, the precondition for eventual globalization — genuine globalization — is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units.” (Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Gorbachev Summit, 1995.

“National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept…Marxism represents a further vital a creative state in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief…” (Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era, p. 72. October 1970.)

“Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision…The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty…More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken.” (Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era, p. 72-300. 1970.)

Maybe BYU students need to find copies of Zbigniew Brzezinski's books and interviews in order to come prepared to ask hard questions of those who invited this man and of Mr. Brzezinski himself if he appears within the sacred halls of the Church University.

buffalo_girl wrote:Despite the fact that I should be spinning wool and cleaning my house, I can't help but post a few quotes from our president's foreign policy handler:

http://www.bariumblues.com/brzezinski.htm

from Brzezinski's book "Between Two Ages" written in 1970

"a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations" (page 57):

"In addition... future developments may well include automated or manned space warships, deep-sea installations, chemical and biological weapons, death rays, and still other forms of warfare--even the weather may be tampered with.*

"In addition, it may be possible--and tempting--to exploit for strategic-political purposes the fruits of research on the brain and on human behavior. Gordon J. F. MacDonald, a geophysicist specializing in problems of warfare, has written that timed artificially excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth.... In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period.... No matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades."

"...techniques for conducting secret warfare" (footnote page 57)

"As one specialist noted, 'By the year 2018, technology will make available to the leaders of the major nations, a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised. One nation may attack a competitor covertly by bacteriological means, thoroughly weakening the population (though with a minimum of fatalities) before taking over with its own armed forces. Alternatively, techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm....(Gordon J. F. MacDonald, "Space," in Toward the year 2018, p.34). "

“The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.”

http://www.ourrepubliconline.com/OurRepublic/Author/62

“We cannot leap into world government in one quick step.... In brief, the precondition for eventual globalization — genuine globalization — is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units.” (Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Gorbachev Summit, 1995.

“National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept…Marxism represents a further vital a creative state in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief…” (Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era, p. 72. October 1970.)

“Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision…The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty…More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken.” (Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era, p. 72-300. 1970.)

Maybe BYU students need to find copies of Zbigniew Brzezinski's books and interviews in order to come prepared to ask hard questions of those who invited this man and of Mr. Brzezinski himself if he appears within the sacred halls of the Church University.

Good point....take advantage of the opportunity!!!

Well, well...it looks as though we missed Brzezinski's address. Anyone attend?

http://wheatley.byu.edu/index.html

This Wheatley Institute is patterned after the Stanford University "Hoover Institute" which is a training ground for globalist thinking. The "Hoover Institute" is the organization that fired Dr. Anthony Sutton when his research discovered documents proving that Wall St. funded the Bolshevik Revolution as well as the Nazi movement in Germany.

Hey! Read the few comments at the end of the Deseret News article...

"Ron Paul is a hard-right wacko. I seriously hope that BYU never invites him to speak. He is paranoid and a threat to proper and logical discussion on government."

So, there you have it.

I posted one of Brzezinski's quotes above on the Deseret News story. It hasn't been posted yet.

I made no comment other than to quote Brzezinski from Between Two Ages. Gosh, maybe that quote is so radical Deseret News couldn't publish it?

ithink wrote:I have lost all fear for telling the truth. Bob and others won't like it, but frankly -- "I don't care". There is simply too much at stake to keep pussy footing around.

Let there be no mistake. There is one reason only as to why Brzezinski is coming to BYU. Substance of that can be found in this headline: "Hypocrite Brzezinski Slams "Conspiratorial View" Of History While Highlighting 50's Iran Overthrow" saying "During a discussion with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last Friday, Trilateral Commission co-founder and top Obama advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski spoke of those who question the official version of events on 9/11 in the same context as those who deny the holocaust. "

Now we all know that Moroni commanded us "to awake to your awful situation" and what will happen if we do. There is no doubt that the adversary has inspired this decision to allow one of Satan's leading followers to pollute the minds of the young and diminish faith in the validity of Moroni's message.

If I was at BYU, I would withdraw and tell them why.
If I had a child as a student there, I would withdraw them, and tell them why.
If I was in Provo, I would not attend.
If everyone did this, and the speakers arrived to an empty hall, it would be enough.

If enough of the people would do this, things would change.

BYU, the church's university, has chosen Brzezinski. Now make your pick, is it Moroni, or is it Brzezinski?

I wouldn't go as far as to withdraw as a student or attempt to persuade a student to withdraw from BYU just because of who they invite to speak... simply protesting the school for their selections and boycotting the event is enough. Brzezinski said 9/11 truthers are no different than those who deny the holocaust? Hmm... who else recently said that? Ah yes, that would be Glenn Beck. They're both either incredibly ignorant and ill-informed about what really happened on 9/11 or they know the truth, but for sake of their positions, they have to promote the official fairy tale. Quite frankly, I don't know if Beck would reveal the truth about 9/11 if he ever became aware of the scientific evidence? As for BYU... I've got half a mind to write them and ask why they keep inviting controversial/compromised political figures who are not good people to speak to their students. Heaven forbid they should ever consider inviting someone like Ron Paul to speak to their student body about the Constitution, the truth about the Federal Reserve and/or what Washington, DC has done and continues to do to destroy our country and freedoms.

buffalo_girl wrote:Well, well...it looks as though we missed Brzezinski's address. Anyone attend?

http://wheatley.byu.edu/index.html

This Wheatley Institute is patterned after the Stanford University "Hoover Institute" which is a training ground for globalist thinking. The "Hoover Institute" is the organization that fired Dr. Anthony Sutton when his research discovered documents proving that Wall St. funded the Bolshevik Revolution as well as the Nazi movement in Germany.

Hey! Read the few comments at the end of the Deseret News article...

"Ron Paul is a hard-right wacko. I seriously hope that BYU never invites him to speak. He is paranoid and a threat to proper and logical discussion on government."

So, there you have it.

The mainstream media and politicos in DC sure managed to convince that ignoramus that Ron Paul is a kook. He's probably a regular viewer of Hannity & Colmes, Bill O' Reilly and listens to Laura Ingram. I mean, Ron's a moral, ethical, mild-mannered man who actually thinks the Fed Gov should strictly adhere to the Constitution... what a dope... that's for yesterday's government and who needs a man with those qualities leading the country anyway.

ithink wrote:I have lost all fear for telling the truth. Bob and others won't like it, but frankly -- "I don't care". There is simply too much at stake to keep pussy footing around.

Let there be no mistake. There is one reason only as to why Brzezinski is coming to BYU. Substance of that can be found in this headline: "Hypocrite Brzezinski Slams "Conspiratorial View" Of History While Highlighting 50's Iran Overthrow" saying "During a discussion with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last Friday, Trilateral Commission co-founder and top Obama advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski spoke of those who question the official version of events on 9/11 in the same context as those who deny the holocaust. "

Now we all know that Moroni commanded us "to awake to your awful situation" and what will happen if we do. There is no doubt that the adversary has inspired this decision to allow one of Satan's leading followers to pollute the minds of the young and diminish faith in the validity of Moroni's message.

If I was at BYU, I would withdraw and tell them why.
If I had a child as a student there, I would withdraw them, and tell them why.
If I was in Provo, I would not attend.
If everyone did this, and the speakers arrived to an empty hall, it would be enough.

If enough of the people would do this, things would change.

BYU, the church's university, has chosen Brzezinski. Now make your pick, is it Moroni, or is it Brzezinski?

OK, my man-- just send me your name, I'll send it along with my recommendation that you be the new president of BYU. My goodness guy, settle down-- the Church Education Committee knows what their doing. If "you" don't know what their doing, then who's fault is that???

Follow the Prophet, no matter what! Follow the Prophet!!! "He" leads BYU! Are there brothers and sisters there who make mistakes? Yeh, I suppose, in fact, I know! But I'm capable of forgiving them. If wrong has been done, it'll be taken care of!

I would like Moroni (in person) to speak at my next ward conference, you think you, you could handle that for me??

Bud, if you think the students at BYU are not bright enough to understand the difference between the different political opinions that are presented there, then you need to do a bit more research "on campus." Just walk around and listen a bit. Or have the school newspaper delivered to your home. The kids know, they understand! AND, they have a "right" to their opinion.

I think, if you were my parent telling me to withdraw from BYU, I'd tell you to go to hell! In a nice way of course! Just my opinion----

Bob

shadow wrote:

bobhenstra wrote:Max Hall, well bud, if some guy had thrown beer all over my wife, he would be smiling through broken teeth, his nose spread all over his face. But heck, thats just me, Max took it better then me-- The wimp actually accepted a police escort out of RES. Then got his revenge on TV--- But somehow, I think he made his point to the right people---

"I don't like Utah, in fact I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, their fans. I hate everything!" - Governor Boggs, oops, I mean Max Hall

Lol, nice try Gary! Hey, hows that new "Ice Cream major" being accepted on USU campus? I'll bet within a year there'll be advanced degrees in Ice cream making! You enrolled yet

Bob

bobhenstra wrote:Lol, nice try Gary! Hey, hows that new "Ice Cream major" being accepted on USU campus? I'll bet within a year there'll be advanced degrees in Ice cream making! You enrolled yet

Bob

I'd rather have a useful "Ice Cream" major than a few others (family and human development). I'd be fat no doubt .

shadow wrote:

bobhenstra wrote:Lol, nice try Gary! Hey, hows that new "Ice Cream major" being accepted on USU campus? I'll bet within a year there'll be advanced degrees in Ice cream making! You enrolled yet

Bob

I'd rather have a useful "Ice Cream" major than a few others (family and human development). I'd be fat no doubt . My old neighbor and Stake President Rod Brown was dean over the "Ice Cream" college at USU. He was so successful here BYU nabbed him (after a stint in Washington DC). They can't replicate what USU has, try as they might!
But hey, even the USU BB team can beat the "ranked" BYU team . Granted, we haven't had the likes of Cheney, Read, Brzezinski, Schlesinger or Petraeus speak but oh well, we can't win at everything! I realize you claim Jim McMahon as your own, but we claim the classy Merlin Olsen. Jim is famous for what, head & wrist bands in the Superbowl and starring in the Superbowl shuffle music video 8) ? Merlin Olsen was classy on the field and worked with John Wayne many times .
I won't get into what BYU does with great professors. One of them posts here often
Yep, BYU has USU beat

Yeh, youse guys are doing great. USU is well known Logan wide. BYU, world wide. One day you'll make to where we are now, and then we'll be long past that point. Your trailing, but sadly, not gaining! Someday, perhaps a masters degree in Rodeo, cow tipping, manure spreading (Your discipline? ) will be useful, one can hope. Keep up the good work. Oh, and see if you can find another Merlin Olsen-- you guys desperately need another Merlin Olsen--

boB

oh dead this is embarrassing

here we are measuring our manhood and engaging in pathetic USU BYU rubbish talk while these NWO and war mongers are coming to town

guys, wake up. no one except you people gives a sh*t. sorry. dont edit this. its the only word that might get through

it is so utterly utterly irrelevent

bobhenstra wrote:
OK, my man-- just send me your name, I'll send it along with my recommendation that you be the new president of BYU. My goodness guy, settle down-- the Church Education Committee knows what their doing. If "you" don't know what their doing, then who's fault is that???

Follow the Prophet, no matter what! Follow the Prophet!!! "He" leads BYU! Are there brothers and sisters there who make mistakes? Yeh, I suppose, in fact, I know! But I'm capable of forgiving them. If wrong has been done, it'll be taken care of!

I would like Moroni (in person) to speak at my next ward conference, you think you, you could handle that for me??

Bud, if you think the students at BYU are not bright enough to understand the difference between the different political opinions that are presented there, then you need to do a bit more research "on campus." Just walk around and listen a bit. Or have the school newspaper delivered to your home. The kids know, they understand! AND, they have a "right" to their opinion.

I think, if you were my parent telling me to withdraw from BYU, I'd tell you to go to hell! In a nice way of course! Just my opinion----

Bob

Who are you that you have pull for the next president of BYU? And I don't know why you would want Moroni to appear at your home stake since all he would do is stand up and quote scripture -- scripture you already have but do not believe, so please why would you think the people would believe one that came back from the dust -- even if he was resurrected -- when the scriptures make it quite clear such zealousness never works?

Well, Deseret News did post my Brzezinski quote. No other comments after that though. I guess such a line up of speakers captures not the interest, concern, or indignation of the citizens of Utah.

AussieOi wrote:oh dead this is embarrassing

here we are measuring our manhood and engaging in pathetic USU BYU rubbish talk while these NWO and war mongers are coming to town

guys, wake up. no one except you people gives a sh*t. sorry. dont edit this. its the only word that might get through

it is so utterly utterly irrelevent

It's all in good fun. Ignore if you must! We don't take our schools too seriously, at least I hope we don't

ithink wrote:

bobhenstra wrote:
OK, my man-- just send me your name, I'll send it along with my recommendation that you be the new president of BYU. My goodness guy, settle down-- the Church Education Committee knows what their doing. If "you" don't know what their doing, then who's fault is that???

Follow the Prophet, no matter what! Follow the Prophet!!! "He" leads BYU! Are there brothers and sisters there who make mistakes? Yeh, I suppose, in fact, I know! But I'm capable of forgiving them. If wrong has been done, it'll be taken care of!

I would like Moroni (in person) to speak at my next ward conference, you think you, you could handle that for me??

Bud, if you think the students at BYU are not bright enough to understand the difference between the different political opinions that are presented there, then you need to do a bit more research "on campus." Just walk around and listen a bit. Or have the school newspaper delivered to your home. The kids know, they understand! AND, they have a "right" to their opinion.

I think, if you were my parent telling me to withdraw from BYU, I'd tell you to go to hell! In a nice way of course! Just my opinion----

Bob

Who are you that you have pull for the next president of BYU? And I don't know why you would want Moroni to appear at your home stake since all he would do is stand up and quote scripture -- scripture you already have but do not believe, so please why would you think the people would believe one that came back from the dust -- even if he was resurrected -- when the scriptures make it quite clear such zealousness never works?

WHAT?? Who am I, Bob Henstra? Why,

I'm me---