Israel's thermite lab

[Mark]

Mark, Dalton... I'm sorry for coming across so strongly RE 9/11... I need to respect your views and opinions more... I tend to get frustrated when others can't see what I do, but that's probably owing to all of the research I've done over the past 4 years on the subject. You guys are brothers to me and we are on the same side in this fight to save our country from conspiring men who want to transform it and us into something awful... that's all that matters right now. We need to stop Obama and what he and the evil men pulling his strings behind the scenes want to do to us, although, you could make an argument that most of the damage has already been done. These 'Czars' he is appointing should scare everyone to death because these are guys who are flat out commies who want to turn the U.S. into Nazi Germany (or worse). This Van Jones character he has appointed as his 'green' Czar attended Jeremiah Wright's church and he sounds just like him in scolding America and calling for it to be damned. Worse yet, his new FCC guy loves what Hugo Chavez has done in Venezuela in suppressing dissenting voices and shutting down radio and TV stations critical of his 'government'. The Obama administration is moving faster than Hugo Chavez is in Venezuela to transform the U.S. into a fascist communist state. I hope Beck is watching his back and has plenty of bodyguards.

Now THAT is something that we are in 100% agreement of my friend. The road ahead will be filled with many challenges and heartaches and we as Saints must stand together as we face this battle for the survival of this great Republic. The light of freedom will continue to burn in every patriots heart regardless of what happens with this govt. With the Lords help we will be victorious of that I am sure.

[Oldemandalton]

From My Friend The Col;
Mark, Dalton... I'm sorry for coming across so strongly RE 9/11... I need to respect your views and opinions more... I tend to get frustrated when others can't see what I do, but that's probably owing to all of the research I've done over the past 4 years on the subject. You guys are brothers to me and we are on the same side in this fight to save our country from conspiring men who want to transform it and us into something awful... that's all that matters right now. We need to stop Obama and what he and the evil men pulling his strings behind the scenes want to do to us, although, you could make an argument that most of the damage has already been done. These 'Czars' he is appointing should scare everyone to death because these are guys who are flat out commies who want to turn the U.S. into Nazi Germany (or worse). This Van Jones character he has appointed as his 'green' Czar attended Jeremiah Wright's church and he sounds just like him in scolding America and calling for it to be damned. Worse yet, his new FCC guy loves what Hugo Chavez has done in Venezuela in suppressing dissenting voices and shutting down radio and TV stations critical of his 'government'. The Obama administration is moving faster than Hugo Chavez is in Venezuela to transform the U.S. into a fascist communist state. I hope Beck is watching his back and has plenty of bodyguards.

I am with you 100% on this one buddy. The ‘Democratic Revolution’ Obama and his people are trying to push through is way more important to me than nano-thermite and the speed of gravity. I just couldn’t let pass lies spread by bigots, not that you are one Col, I am sure you are not. What the Communists and Progressives are doing is way more important than 9/11 and if they succeed we will not be able to recognize this country. We should be ‘9/12’ people not ‘9/10ers’ as Glenn says.


OMD

[Oldemandalton]

From My Friend P-51;
Good points OMD. What do you have to say about the fake Bin ladens I posted on page one of this thread? They are pretty hard to argue with. Why would the CIA put out false info and make up bogus videos of supposed 9-11 criminal Bin Laden if the official story is true and he and his buddies pulled this whole thing off? I would really like to hear your take on that.

I'm sure the govt' has some good reason for making fake videos and lying to us right?

Here is a good article on the ‘fake bin Ladens’. It brings up very good arguments and questions. Please read it and tell me what you think, P-51. To see the pictures and video you’ll have to go to this link; http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Confession_video

Here are some points they make;
1.People NOT in the Bush Admin say it is not a fake.
2.Others in the video are major players in Al Qaida.
3.Takes up the ring and handedness questions.
4.Documents other confessions by bin Laden

Confession video

Background
In December 2001 the US released a video claimed to be of bin Laden, talking about the 9/11 attacks. CNN would later report that "bin Laden brags in Arabic that he knew about them beforehand and says the destruction went beyond his hopes. He says the attacks 'benefited Islam greatly.'". The same article said "[t]he Bush administration hopes the tape will convince skeptics, particularly in the Muslim and Arab worlds, of bin Laden's complicity in the attacks", and offered some evidence of its initial success:

Raghida Dergham of the Arabic-language newspaper Al-Hayat said the tape is "a strong piece of evidence." "It's not going to convince everyone. You will always have some skeptics out there. But it will strengthen the view of those who have thought all along that bin Laden and al Qaeda had been involved," Dergham said. "I think that the level of denial will decrease."

You can view a low resolution version of the tape below, as the first option in the Videos section.

It didn't take long for people to start saying this tape was a fake, though, and not just a few individuals on conspiracy message boards, either. Journalist Robert Fisk delivered an early and emphatic verdict:

Bin Laden in Jazeerah tape on the left. Who is this guy on the right pictured in the CIA released video pretending to be Bin Laden? Any fool with eyes can see they are not the same person.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/faked_video_inin.htm

Others soon followed suit, often using the same image from the US tape as a comparison, and generally taking the line that it's utterly impossible that the video could be of bin Laden. 911Research said "Osama bin Laden would need morphing super-powers to be the man in the confession video", for instance; Prison Planet stated "the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden", and message board and blog comments were harsher still: "You literally have to be blind not to see that the man in the video is not Bin Laden.".

Further arguments appeared. The man in the video wore a gold ring, for example, while the real bin Laden did not. He writes with his right hand, but the FBI say bin Laden is left-handed. It's an obvious fake, we're told. But is that really true?

Further images
The image used by Fisk regularly appears elsewhere to discredit the tape, however it's worth bearing in mind that this comes from a very low resolution, 4 frames-per-second RealMedia file. It's extremely poor quality, and there are other stills available.


Does this bin Laden really look so "fat"? We'd say not, and further clues appeared with the release of a high-resolution video clip in an exhibit to the Moussaoui trial (see it in full in the Videos section below).

This image, for instance, looks like the one used to create the "fatty bin Laden" picture used by Fisk and others.



Yet this one is from the very same clip:



Crop the face from that clip, then place it top left with three accepted bin Laden images (we've resized and mirrored a couple of these but otherwise left them untouched) and you get something like this:



The photos are taken from slightly different angles, the resolution and lighting is worst in the video shot, but this is no longer a "fat" bin Laden: if anything, the video image looks thinner than the others. But otherwise it bears a much stronger resemblance to the other shots, and requires far more effort to dismiss.

Another clue appears in the full video, when bin Laden arrives. Reports on his height vary - anything from "just over 6 feet" to "6 feet six inches" - but it's generally accepted that he's tall. And sure enough, we can see the confession video man duck before passing through a doorway:



And these aren't the only reasons to consider that this video may be genuine.

Guests
The "confession" video contains other figures of interest, beyond bin Laden. This frame seems to show al Qaeda spokesman Suleiman Abu Ghaith, for instance:



Here he is in an al Qaeda video and another image, for comparison:




Then there's al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, in the tape and an al Qaeda video:




And Khaled al-Harbi, a Saudi national and associate of bin Laden (tape image from the left, news shot to the right). He surrendered to the Saudi authorities in 2004 as part of a month-long offer of "leniency to terrorist suspects".




Are these also "imposters"? We've seen no reason to believe that. But if they're not, then why appear in a video with a fake bin Laden? One possible explanation is proposed by Cooperative Research, who suggest this might be one of the doubles known to have been used by bin Laden. But perhaps a simpler explanation is that the video is genuine, and everyone in it is exactly as they seem.

Other arguments
The "fake bin Laden" accusations were originally supported with other arguments about a ring he was seen to be wearing, and the fact that the video shows bin Laden writing with his right hand, while the FBI say he's left-handed. These claims aren't convincing and so have largely disappeared, but for completeness we'll mention them here.

At one time What Really Happened made the following argument, for instance:

Image:OBL montage.jpg

Osama 'E' wears a ring on his right hand which does not appear on other confirmed photos of Osama (e.g. Osama 'B'). Another man is seen wearing a large gold ring in the video. Since the wearing of gold rings is forbidden by Islam it shows neither he nor Osama 'E' has any devotion to this faith.
Web Archive Source

It sounds convincing, but only if you assume the author actually checked other "confirmed photos" to look for such a ring. We found one very quickly:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 729882.stm



This looks like another part of the same video, although the story associated with it was published much later.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/07/23/b ... .internet/



(And these images are interesting in themselves. Doesn't the first look to have a longer, thinner face then the second? Are we to believe one of these is also a fake?)

This video was taken only weeks after the “confession” video. bin Ladin wears a ring in both videos, and to our knowledge no-one is saying these images aren’t of bin Ladin. The confession video ring may therefore act as a minor confirmation that it’s the same guy, by matching this additional characteristic.

As for the “gold ring” business, we’d make a couple of points.

First, how does anyone know that the ring was made of gold? The video is in no way high enough quality to determine that.

And second, what is this supposed to prove, anyway? We’re also told that suicide and the killing on innocent people is forbidden by Islam, yet bin Ladin and his supporters appear not to share the same views. If they do see no problem with killing thousands of people on 9/11, then is it really inconceivable that they’ll also have their own opinions on jewellery?

The left/right-handed issue is no more convincing. It's certainly true that photos indicate he uses a gun in a left-handed way, but that need not apply to everything else. In the Arab world, in particular, the left hand is seen as dirty:

Part of the reason for the distaste of the left hand has to do with the sanitary habits of early man and of the Arab world. As the right hand is biologically our dominant hand, the left hand was used to clean ourselves after defecation. As such, food is not handled with the left hand, it is an offence to offer to shake someone's hand with your left hand. In the Arab world when text (representing God) was holy, it could not be touched with the left hand...
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/lefthandpath.html

It's entirely possible that bin Laden may have learned to write with his right hand, then, while using his left for other things. And this is supported by other footage showing him writing right-handed.



(See the Videos section below for the full clip.)

Even if that wasn't the case, there's still another possibility, that some injury made Bin Laden prefer to write right-handed. There's no sign of that in the confession tape, but other reports from the time do talk of him favouring his right, and speculating that there may be some medical cause:

Osama bin Ladin' health appears to deteriorate with each new videotape broadcast. The December videotape clearly shows bin Ladin with a whiter beard and a gaunt face. Significantly, bin Ladin, who is left-handed, does not move his left hand or his left side in the 34-minute video.
http://www.september11news.com/OsamaSpeeches.htm

Videotapes showing the left-handed Osama bin Ladin gesturing with his right hand led some viewers to believe that his left arm was injured.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/07/23/binladen.internet

Specialists have tried to explain why bin Ladin stopped videotaping himself. “He seemed possibly injured on his left side in the last videotape,” Matthew Levitt, a former F.B.I. anti-terrorism specialist, told me. Others have noted that, although bin Ladin is left-handed, in his last video he perched his Kalashnikov rifle next to his right side. He also failed to gesticulate as much as he usually did when he spoke. In the past, when bin Laden was ill he avoided being photographed, evidently careful never to project a weakened image.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030804fa_fact

This doesn’t prove anything, obviously. But given that we have both a video clip apparently of bin Ladin writing with his right hand, and a possible reason why he may not be able to use his left, the right-handedness of the confession video bin Ladin doesn't seem of any great significance. If anything, it supports its authenticity by matching up with previous footage.

PAL-NTSC conversion
These arguments aren't enough for everyone. How can that initial image look so different, they wonder? One theory comes from a surprising direction, Ed Haas of Muckraker Report, who had previously believed the confession video was a fake.

Haas suggests that the initial video was shot in Afghanistan or Pakistan, and so used the PAL video standard, with a resolution of 720 x 576. This would later need to be converted into NTSC, with a resolution of 720 x 480. He points out that this could be done using a "linear interpolation PAL to NTSC conversion method", essentially eliminating every fifth line from the PAL video, but this would of course change the aspect ratio of the image and give everyone slightly fatter faces. Read more here.

Could this be correct? It's an interesting idea. We're not 100% convinced, as al Zawahiri, Suleiman Abu Ghaith and others don't appear particularly different to usual, but then they do get much less coverage in the video so it's hard to say for sure. The possibility of some aspect ratio issue can't be ruled out, though, perhaps when the video was resized to add subtitles. It's something else to consider.

Bruce Lawrence
In 2007 the following story appeared on many 9/11-related sites:

Top U.S. Bin Laden Expert: Confession Video “Bogus”
Was Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11?

The Bush Administration says yes, citing a grainy, badly-edited videotape that surfaced in December, 2001. In that tape, a fat guy who vaguely resembles Bin Laden chortles about the success of the 9/11 attacks. (In earlier interviews, Bin Laden had denied responsibility for 9/11, once even deploring the loss of civilian life in the attacks and calling them un-Islamic.)

Is the famous “confession video” genuine? Despite Bush’s insistence that the tape is authentic, America’s top academic Bin Laden expert has finally gone on the record, joining numerous other experts. “It’s bogus,” says Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program.

Lawrence, author of Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden, offered his historic debunking of the administration’s lie in an interview with Kevin Barrett (“Dynamic Duo,” gcnlive.com, 2/16/2007, first hour). The interview marked Lawrence’s first major public statement since he made headlines last year by suggesting that recent Osama tapes are hoaxes and that the real Osama Bin Laden may be dead.

Why has the Bush Administration been lying for more than five years by telling us that this preposterously bad hoax is a genuine “confession video”? Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence apparatus’s Bin Laden units, said they all know the tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is politically useful to those who wish to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11.
http://www.mujca.com/hoax.htm

Professor Lawrence didn't respond to an email asking for more details, however there are a few points about this story that you might like to keep in mind.

We're not entirely sure why Lawrence is referred to here as "Top U.S. Bin Laden Expert", other than to try and make the story more convincing. We've not seen anyone else make that claim about him. And while he edited a book of bin Laden's speeches, the cover, author biography and introduction make no mention of any special expertise on the man.

The introduction to Lawrence's "Messages to the World" does contain other useful comments, though:

...Three years later, al Qaeda activists hijacked four planes in the United States and in suicide missions destroyed the World Trade Center, and severely damaged the Pentagon, killing 3,000 people, most of them Americans. It was not until 2004 that bin Laden publicly acknowledged his role in planning and organizing the attacks of 9/11 (Statement 23), but from the start few doubted that he was the author of this epochal act of terrorism. The Bush Administration's response was not long in coming...

When he wrote this book Professor Lawrence seemed in no doubt that al Qaeda were responsible for 9/11, then. And his book actually includes the October 2004 bin Laden statement that Lawrence says claims "direct responsibility for 9/11", with lines like "as I looked at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the oppressor in kind by destroying towers in America, so that it would have a taste of its own medicine. and would be prevented from killing our women and children."

If Lawrence believes that al Qaeda were behind the 9/11 attacks, then, and that a legitimate 2004 bin Laden statement claimed responsibility for this, then his comments on the 2001 video don't seem nearly as significant as the original story made out.

Final thoughts
Beyond the analyses, we think the idea of the tape being faked raises other questions, for which there are a distinct lack of answers.

Many of the same sites who tell us this tape is a fake, for instance, also point out that bin Ladin denied being involved with 9/11 soon after the attacks. If this is true then it suggests bin Ladin is a real, live person, out there somewhere, not doing the bidding of the US Government. In which case why has he, or some other al Qaeda spokesman, not pointed out that this tape is a fake?

But even if it could be established beyond doubt that the man in the video were not bin Laden, that's still a very long way from showing that "9/11 was an inside job". What if he were one of bin Laden's doubles, for instance, but otherwise expressing the views of bin Laden and al Qaeda?

Certainly, despite the widespread assumption, there's not a jot of evidence to say that America were behind the tape, and some indications that they weren't. One of these is commonly referred to on 9/11 sites as an inaccurate translation of the tapes:

The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/16801

Very interesting, but hardly support for faking, at least not by the US Government. Because if they organised the filming, why wouldn’t they have the participants saying exactly what they wanted? Why the need to play around with translations later?

The reality is that there are plenty of people who say the video is genuine, and not just in the Bush administration. Here's a conversation between Al Jazeera London bureau chief Yosri Fouda and TBS Publisher and Senior Editor S. Abdallah Schleifer.

SAS: ...there was the much earlier amateurishly filmed video tape that the American government says they found in Afghanistan... in which a militant Saudi sheikh, visiting with Bin Ladin leads Bin Ladin into an acknowledgement that it was Al-Qa'ida operatives known only to him and a few others, who staged the operation and Bin Ladin re-enacts his great joy when the operation succeeded well beyond his expectations. My intuition as a journalist told me when I watched the tape on CNN that it was authentic and that it was Bin Ladin but my intuition also told me that the Sheikh was an intelligence agent, probably for the Americans and the their taped conversation a sting operation. A few days later a respectable British newspaper confirmed it was a sting but they said it was set up by Saudi intelligence. And certainly the former head of Saudi intelligence has made it clear in no uncertain terms that 9/11 was an Al-Qa'ida operation. Now despite all of this and other documentation, so many Arabs were in a state of denial and many are still in a state of denial, insisting that Al-Qa'ida or any Arabs for that matter could not have had anything to do with this operation, that this was a Mossad or CIA operation.
YF: ...Until I got to meet Ramzi and Khalid there was a lot of doubt as to the possibility that that tape might have been fabricated. But I got it on videotape from one of the other people from Al-Qa'ida who were there at the apartment that the tape was legitimate. I asked him whether that tape was genuine and he said it was. And in the end when I went back I put that Saudi Sheikh's video tape with Bin Ladin on and listened to it for four or five times, and certain bits and pieces that Bin Ladin said on that tape fit in very nicely with what Ramzi and Khalid had said to me. You know like the first time that they knew of the zero hour.

SAS: I understand what you are saying and I've been convinced of that tape's authenticity since the beginning. And your experience just confirms it.
http://www.tbsjournal.com/Archives/Fall02/Fouda.html

It's also worth remembering that this is just one of the tapes in which bin Laden or al Qaeda either explicitly or implicitly accept responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. And as we've seen, even some of those saying the "confession tape" is bogus seem to believe other claims of responsibility are legitimate, therefore without more concrete evidence it's hard to see how this issue will ever prove anything at all.

Videos
The "Confession" Tape:

9/11-related al Qaeda videos:

Hijackers video wills and other footage:


Retrieved from "http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Confession_video"

[Col. Flagg]

From My Friend The Col;
Mark, Dalton... I'm sorry for coming across so strongly RE 9/11... I need to respect your views and opinions more... I tend to get frustrated when others can't see what I do, but that's probably owing to all of the research I've done over the past 4 years on the subject. You guys are brothers to me and we are on the same side in this fight to save our country from conspiring men who want to transform it and us into something awful... that's all that matters right now. We need to stop Obama and what he and the evil men pulling his strings behind the scenes want to do to us, although, you could make an argument that most of the damage has already been done. These 'Czars' he is appointing should scare everyone to death because these are guys who are flat out commies who want to turn the U.S. into Nazi Germany (or worse). This Van Jones character he has appointed as his 'green' Czar attended Jeremiah Wright's church and he sounds just like him in scolding America and calling for it to be damned. Worse yet, his new FCC guy loves what Hugo Chavez has done in Venezuela in suppressing dissenting voices and shutting down radio and TV stations critical of his 'government'. The Obama administration is moving faster than Hugo Chavez is in Venezuela to transform the U.S. into a fascist communist state. I hope Beck is watching his back and has plenty of bodyguards.

I am with you 100% on this one buddy. The ‘Democratic Revolution’ Obama and his people are trying to push through is way more important to me than nano-thermite and the speed of gravity. I just couldn’t let pass lies spread by bigots, not that you are one Col, I am sure you are not. What the Communists and Progressives are doing is way more important than 9/11 and if they succeed we will not be able to recognize this country. We should be ‘9/12’ people not ‘9/10ers’ as Glenn says.


OMD

I'm not going to forget 9/11 because it was a false flag event that has changed a lot in this country for the worse and it's always important to discover the truth... after all, it sets you free and the 3,000 who died deserve justice. But right now (2009), the fight we ought to be focused on emanates from Washington, DC, more specifically, the White House.

[Kurt]

I'm not going to forget 9/11 because it was a false flag event that has changed a lot in this country for the worse and it's always important to discover the truth... after all, it sets you free and the 3,000 who died deserve justice. But right now (2009), the fight we ought to be focused on emanates from Washington, DC, more specifically, the White House.

9-11 is absolutely relevant to where we are today. The fight to expose it for what it was/is, is still relevant, and I don't think that it deserves less. For example, people being told that Obama has socialists, communists etc. in his cabinet proves what? What we already know for anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear. Okay, now that we know Obama has communist ties, what are we gonna do about it, put him prison, for what? 9-11 on the other hand is something that changes the game entirely, exposing how deep the gadiantons and our government have gone into the evil being perpetrated on not only American, but on other people, races and countries, it is a crime. Lets not make one thing of exposing the darkness less important than another. Do we really need Glenn Beck to tell us/determine what to focus on in exposing the hidden things of darkness? Obama isn't decieving anyone who has discernment. 9-11 and the government did decieve almost all. One is obvious, one is not, but the ones that are "hidden" deserve our attention since that is what we have been commanded to do in the D&C. Obama is not hidden, he is obvious.

9-11 is about exposing the hidden things of darkness and helping the rightous awake to the awful situation and how deep it is.

[Col. Flagg]

I'm not going to forget 9/11 because it was a false flag event that has changed a lot in this country for the worse and it's always important to discover the truth... after all, it sets you free and the 3,000 who died deserve justice. But right now (2009), the fight we ought to be focused on emanates from Washington, DC, more specifically, the White House.

9-11 is absolutely relevant to where we are today. The fight to expose it for what it was/is, is still relevant, and I don't think that it deserves less. For example, people being told that Obama has socialists, communists etc. in his cabinet proves what? What we already know for anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear. Okay, now that we know Obama has communist ties, what are we gonna do about it, put him prison, for what? 9-11 on the other hand is something that changes the game entirely, exposing how deep the gadiantons and our government have gone into the evil being perpetrated on not only American, but on other people, races and countries, it is a crime. Lets not make one thing of exposing the darkness less important than another. Do we really need Glenn Beck to tell us/determine what to focus on in exposing the hidden things of darkness? Obama isn't decieving anyone who has discernment. 9-11 and the government did decieve almost all. One is obvious, one is not, but the ones that are "hidden" deserve our attention since that is what we have been commanded to do in the D&C. Obama is not hidden, he is obvious.

9-11 is about exposing the hidden things of darkness and helping the rightous awake to the awful situation and how deep it is.

Can't argue with that... well said!

[Oldemandalton]

From The Col;
I'm not going to forget 9/11 because it was a false flag event that has changed a lot in this country for the worse and it's always important to discover the truth... after all, it sets you free and the 3,000 who died deserve justice. But right now (2009), the fight we ought to be focused on emanates from Washington, DC, more specifically, the White House.

I for one will never forget 9/11. I don’t even know if we agree on anything about it except that thousands died. I don’t totally agree with the Government (cover-up) Investigation but don’t believe in the 9/11 Mythers either. I do agree that what happens in the next 2 years will determine the future of our country for the coming decades. We are at a tipping point and our actions will determine how our Grandchildren will live.

Kurt;
9-11 is absolutely relevant to where we are today. The fight to expose it for what it was/is, is still relevant, and I don't think that it deserves less. For example, people being told that Obama has socialists, communists etc. in his cabinet proves what? What we already know for anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear. Okay, now that we know Obama has communist ties, what are we gonna do about it, put him prison, for what? 9-11 on the other hand is something that changes the game entirely, exposing how deep the gadiantons and our government have gone into the evil being perpetrated on not only American, but on other people, races and countries, it is a crime. Lets not make one thing of exposing the darkness less important than another. Do we really need Glenn Beck to tell us/determine what to focus on in exposing the hidden things of darkness? Obama isn't decieving anyone who has discernment. 9-11 and the government did decieve almost all. One is obvious, one is not, but the ones that are "hidden" deserve our attention since that is what we have been commanded to do in the D&C. Obama is not hidden, he is obvious.

9-11 is about exposing the hidden things of darkness and helping the rightous awake to the awful situation and how deep it is.

Glenn beck is exposing not what is going on, we all see it and many Americans are now waking up to what is happening in Washington. What Glenn DOES do is tell us WHO exactly is doing it, not just the “Powers That Be” or the “Latter-day Gadiantons” but is naming names AND giving their strategy away (Cloward and Piven, Democratic Revolution, etc). Beck puts a face and a voice to who is “re-making” our country. If we are to combat this insidious ‘democratic revolution’ then it is important to know who and how they are doing it. Then act accordingly.


OMD

[Col. Flagg]

Glenn beck is exposing not what is going on, we all see it and many Americans are now waking up to what is happening in Washington. What Glenn DOES do is tell us WHO exactly is doing it, not just the “Powers That Be” or the “Latter-day Gadiantons” but is naming names AND giving their strategy away (Cloward and Piven, Democratic Revolution, etc). Beck puts a face and a voice to who is “re-making” our country. If we are to combat this insidious ‘democratic revolution’ then it is important to know who and how they are doing it. Then act accordingly.


OMD

Amen Dalton! I just hope Glenn is watching his back.