Ebola on its way to the US.

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KMCopeland
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Fiannan wrote:
There might be another answer to ebola than some Chicken Little-esque plan to prevent it from entering the US. Since that one isn't going to work.
Nice way to avoid the question.
What was the question?
Fiannan wrote:Remind me not to let you into the compound when the zombie apocalypse hits as you'd probably open the door and let the zombies in because it would be the nice thing to do.
I rest my case.

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KMCopeland wrote:
tmac wrote:Trolling again KMC?
It always happens. It's as reliable as the sunrise. I make a good point, someone can't come up with a good response to it but they don't like it nonetheless and SHAZZAMM!! I'm a troll.


Name-calling. The last refuge of the intellectually bereft.


Key sentence here being... " I make a good point "

Yet to happen

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What Will You Do If They Make It Mandatory to take a Vaccine

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Did you know they already have an “experimental Ebola vaccine” that is ready to be tested on humans next month?
How about that. :| ...$$$$$$...
As the Ebola death toll rises and as images of bodies being abandoned in the streets of Liberia are broadcast around the globe, there has been a growing outcry for the scientific community to “do something” about this deadly virus. And as luck would have it, there is an “experimental Ebola vaccine” that is ready to be tested on humans next month. If Ebola starts to spread outside of Africa, and especially if it starts spreading inside the United States, people will be absolutely clamoring to get this vaccine. But will it be safe? And there will certainly be millions of people that do not want to take this vaccine under any circumstances. If the outbreak gets bad enough, will it be made mandatory at some point? If they do make it mandatory for all Americans to take an Ebola vaccine, what will you do?

Up until now, there has never been a vaccine for Ebola. But as Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Instutites of Health recently told “CBS This Morning”, that could soon change…


They say that if this vaccine is approved, it could potentially be available to the public at some point in 2015.

If a full-blown Ebola epidemic is raging by that time, the demand will be overwhelming. But many people will not be satisfied to just get the vaccine themselves. They will want everyone living around them in their communities to get vaccinated as well for the sake of “herd immunity”. They will argue that those that refuse to get the Ebola vaccine are endangering public health.

So could politicians make the Ebola vaccine mandatory for all Americans at some point? According to a paper by Jared P. Cole and Kathleen S. Swendiman, many states already have laws that allow for mandatory vaccinations “during a public health emergency”…

Many states also have laws providing for mandatory vaccinations during a public health emergency or outbreak of a communicable disease. Generally, the power to order such actions rests with the governor of the state or with a state health officer. For example, a governor may have the power to supplement the state’s existing compulsory vaccination programs and institute additional programs in the event of a civil defense emergency period. Or, a state health officer may, upon declaration of a public health emergency, order an individual to be vaccinated “for communicable diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health.” In addition, exemptions may be provided for medical reasons or where objections are based on religion or conscience. However, if a person refuses to be vaccinated, he or she may be quarantined during the public health emergency giving rise to the vaccination order. State statutes may also provide additional authority to permit specified groups of persons to be trained to administer vaccines during an emergency in the event insufficient health care professionals are available for vaccine administration.

But what about on the national level?

Well, it has never been done before, but that doesn’t mean that the Obama administration would not try. Barack Obama seems to believe that the power of the presidency is virtually endless, and we have already seen him sign a series of very frightening executive orders. In fact, as I noted the other day, Obama just signed an executive order that gives him the power to apprehend and detain Americans that show symptoms of “diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled.”

It wouldn’t seem like it would be too much more of a stretch for him to sign an executive order requiring the vaccination of all Americans in the event of a major Ebola outbreak. And if we were in the middle of a full-blown pandemic where millions of Americans were dying, a large chunk of the population would definitely support such a move.

In addition to the Ebola vaccine that is being developed, it also conveniently turns out that there are several experimental Ebola drugs in the works as well. For example, it is being reported that the two American health workers that contracted Ebola while working in Africa have had their lives saved by one of these experimental drugs…

Two American missionary workers infected with the deadly Ebola virus were given an experimental drug that seems to have saved their lives.

Dr. Kent Brantly was given the medication, ZMapp, shortly after telling his doctors he thought he would die, according to a source familiar with his case. Within an hour, doctors say his symptoms — labored breathing and a widespread rash — dramatically improved. Nancy Writebol, another missionary working with Samaritan’s Purse, received two doses of the medication and has also shown significant improvement, sources say.

Needless to say, the company that makes this experimental drug (Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc.) stands to make a giant pile of money by the time this crisis is over.

And another drug company called Tekmira Pharmaceuticals is also getting a lot of attention right now. According to CNN, shares of Tekmira Pharmaceuticals soared 40 percent last week alone…

There is no cure for Ebola. But don’t tell that to traders. Shares of a Vancouver-based company working on a drug to treat the infectious disease surged nearly 40% last week.

Tekmira Pharmaceuticals popped on much higher trading volume than usual because investors are hopeful that health agencies in the United States might approve its drug, known as TKM-Ebola.

If Ebola does indeed turn out to be a horrific global health crisis, there will be opportunities for certain companies to make billions upon billions of dollars.

But how will we know that an Ebola vaccine or an Ebola drug is safe? There have been dozens upon dozens of examples of pharmaceutical drugs that were approved by the government that later turned out to be incredibly harmful.

Sadly, most people don’t stop to think about those examples. They just continue to have blind faith in the drug companies. And if Ebola does start spreading rapidly in this country, there will be millions of Americans that are begging for whatever “solutions” the drug companies come up with.

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KMCopeland wrote:
tmac wrote:Trolling again KMC?
It always happens. It's as reliable as the sunrise. I make a good point, someone can't come up with a good response to it but they don't like it nonetheless and SHAZZAMM!! I'm a troll.


Name-calling. The last refuge of the intellectually bereft.
A troll is "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people"

You started it.

Americans are terrified of ebola and have been since I can remember. I guess since that sentence is too general I am sure we could run a poll and get a percentage of Americans to help you to understand better. You have to admit that those Americans terrified of ebola have a valid point!

When a person calls you a troll, they aren't name calling because they are too stoopeed to come up with an answer for your arguments. It is because they are sick of you arguing just for argument's sake. I am sort of sick of it too. You made your point. It is valid. Yes, Americans have the right to come to the USA. I get it. It still is not something I like. Do you understand?

<threadjack>That is why the internet is frustrating. It is very easy to misunderstand people because you can't look them in the eye.</threadjack>

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Apparently there is a suspicious case in OH and six more suspicious cases in NY.

But about the two doctors being brought to the USA, dumb, dumb move, for the reasons that I stated.

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At my hospital (which happens to be military) if there is a contact patient - meaning DANGEROUSLY CONTAGEOUS- you have to wear a special suit and special gloves to treat them BUT you are not allowed to wear that suit or anything resembling it to transport them throughout the hospital to the various areas like radiology/cardiology etc.

You dont even know they are a contact patient until you read the paper and they are standing in front of you.

Just a little example of how things REALLY work in the medical field- the public is absolutely blind to the truth!

They should NOT bring the ebola here! I do not care that they are citizens. I wonder if they are being cooerced or forced to return to USA cause maybe they are smart enough as doctors to be sure and not bring it home, but have no choice.

I have a feeling this ebola will spread and sooner than later :(

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Melissa wrote:I have a feeling this ebola will spread and sooner than later :(
I have a feeling that this is the point.......

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We better pray that this Virus will not spread anymore. I hope the experts will find the very best cure about this virus.

KMCopeland
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Eglantine wrote:
KMCopeland wrote:
tmac wrote:Trolling again KMC?
It always happens. It's as reliable as the sunrise. I make a good point, someone can't come up with a good response to it but they don't like it nonetheless and SHAZZAMM!! I'm a troll.


Name-calling. The last refuge of the intellectually bereft.
A troll is "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people"

You started it.
I rarely start arguments. I have a bad habit of finishing them though. If you'll check, most if not all of my posts have been in response to something someone else said. They started it, in other words. Or are the rules of non-trollhood "don't ever respond to something someone posts if you disagree with it?" Now that I'll have to confess, I missed. And if "upsetting people" makes one a troll as well, then everyone on any thread where there's any strong disagreement is a troll. Since such strong disagreement is pretty certain to be upsetting.

I've certainly encountered people who don't have much to actually say, but who do love to throw bombs and run away. I don't do that. I never run away. But maybe calling those who do a troll is useful. I doubt it. Sticks and stones and all that.
Eglantine wrote:Americans are terrified of ebola and have been since I can remember. I guess since that sentence is too general I am sure we could run a poll and get a percentage of Americans to help you to understand better. You have to admit that those Americans terrified of ebola have a valid point!
I do admit that. We should be extremely afraid of ebola -- of any sickness, which leads to death, for which there's no cure. I take issue with people who 1) don't have sensible solutions themselves but 2) assume that whatever we're doing about ebola is all wrong. Call me all the names you want. That whole "I don't know what to do about it but I know whatever anybody else is doing about it is wrong" stuff will always make me furious, and when I hear it in a political discussion in a forum on the internet where everyone is supposed to be free to say what they think, within reason of course, I'll say so. And I may be called a troll for it. And I think I'll live.

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