7-17: Malaysian Air FL 17 Downed @ Ukraine-Russia Border

[mattctr]

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content ... _mh17.html

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/eur ... ?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet crashed -- and was possibly shot down -- in eastern Ukraine on Thursday.

The plane had 280 passengers and 15 crew members on board, read a Facebook post from Anton Gerashchenko, adviser to the Ukrainian Interior Ministry.

The Boeing 777 was "shot down" over Ukraine by "terrorists" operating a Buk surface-to-air missile system, the post said.

The plane was shot down near the town on Torez in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, according to the post, as it flew at about 10,000 meters (32,000 feet).

Russia denies involvement. Putin and Obama had pre-scheduled phone meeting this morning to discuss recent conflict and yesterday's sanctions.
Many RT News comments on Facebook are blaming false flag by US covert ops and Ukraine.
The blame game has begun.

[Ferg]

Obama should capitalize on this with the recent boarder issues going on over here. Perhaps this is to draw the heat off the illigal immigrants that are flooding our boarders at the moment. Another "smoke and mirrors" diversion if you will...

[mattctr]

Obama should capitalize on this with the recent boarder issues going on over here. Perhaps this is to draw the heat off the illigal immigrants that are flooding our boarders at the moment. Another "smoke and mirrors" diversion if you will...

Never let a crisis go to waste, as they say. Shift focus from Israel, immigration, new Russian sanctions, more reports of O care failures, etc... the List goes on...

[survivaldealer]

My first impression was that Obummer shot it down. This, intended to form a negative bias against Putin, who is far smarter, better looking, has a better physique, has actual experience and leadership acumen, than the non-citizen, anti-Christ, devout follower of Lucifer, radical Islamist, and bi-sexual golf playing, wannabe leader of the free world, Obama.

Miley Cyrus chewing gum while walking would have been a big enough distraction for the media to forget about the mile long list of treason, poor judgement, cover-ups, and blatant disregard for the law, that is Obama's trademark, but this distraction may be in the news for even longer than a day.

Besides, it was probably carrying the mysteriously lost email backup server for Lois Lerner's emails.

[Melissa]

Talking about it on foxnews as well as lots of coverage of the Israelite invasion of Gaza - occuring right now.

[Latter-day Patriot]

Wow. Makes me think of the Freescale Semiconductor employees from missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 who were developing cutting edge defense chips.

Crash claims top AIDS researchers heading to Melbourne: http://www.smh.com.au/national/crash-cl ... zuaw3.html

[sarahmj]

My first impression was that Obummer shot it down. This, intended to form a negative bias against Putin, who is far smarter, better looking, has a better physique, has actual experience and leadership acumen, than the non-citizen, anti-Christ, devout follower of Lucifer, radical Islamist, and bi-sexual golf playing, wannabe leader of the free world, Obama.

Miley Cyrus chewing gum while walking would have been a big enough distraction for the media to forget about the mile long list of treason, poor judgement, cover-ups, and blatant disregard for the law, that is Obama's trademark, but this distraction may be in the news for even longer than a day.

Besides, it was probably carrying the mysteriously lost email backup server for Lois Lerner's emails.

Mate, I love your way of thinking. We should be friends.

[mattctr]

All the makings of a crazy numerical conspiracy, as heard from various sources today:

20 years ago on the same date, 07-17, TWA flight 800 crashed--some claim the 747 was shot down by US Navy Missiles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrq0qek8cU

Today, 07-17-14(2*7), on that anniversary, Malaysian Airlines (airline name contains 17 letters) Flight 17, a 777, was shot down by missiles. The 2nd mysterious, bizarre 777 incident for Malaysian Airlines this year. This one less mysterious but more risky, as the Russian-Ukraine crisis has the potential to morph into something far more sinister...? 10 days from now, on 07-27-14(2*7), is when iPhone's Siri says the Gates of Hades will open...

07-17 #17, a 777 from an airline with 17 letters...

Anyway, those conspiracy folk sure do come up with some crazy ideas... Hahah

[Army Of Truth]

20 years ago on the same date, 07-17, TWA flight 800 crashed--some claim the 747 was shot down by US Navy Missiles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrq0qek8cU

There is more evidence that a Navy Missile brought down TWA 800 than a "spark in the center fuel tank" which has never happened before nor after to any plane anywhere. Nor does any evidence support that theory. The government "theory" is always the most wacky/ludricrous one.

[samizdat]

I see this as defintely a false flag. No matter who did it, the object is to get Russia involved into a bigger war, and by default the USA too.

[Army Of Truth]

What the Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/07/ron- ... -tell-you/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

By Ron Paul
Ron Paul Institute
July 21, 2014

Just days after the tragic crash of a Malaysian Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine, Western politicians and media joined together to gain the maximum propaganda value from the disaster. It had to be Russia; it had to be Putin, they said. President Obama held a press conference to claim – even before an investigation – that it was pro-Russian rebels in the region who were responsible. His ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, did the same at the UN Security Council – just one day after the crash!

While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the event, there are a few things they will not report.

They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored “regime change,” it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.

The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.

They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June, including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash! Most of these are civilians and together they roughly equal the number killed in the plane crash. By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets.

They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”

They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.

They will not report that the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia, and that the Ukrainian prime minister has already expressed his pleasure that Russia is being blamed for the attack.

They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.

They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.

They will not report how similar this is to last summer’s US claim that the Assad government in Syria had used poison gas against civilians in Ghouta. Assad was also gaining the upper hand in his struggle with US-backed rebels and the US claimed that the attack came from Syrian government positions. Then, US claims led us to the brink of another war in the Middle East. At the last minute public opposition forced Obama to back down – and we have learned since then that US claims about the gas attack were false.

Of course it is entirely possible that the Obama administration and the US media has it right this time, and Russia or the separatists in eastern Ukraine either purposely or inadvertently shot down this aircraft. The real point is, it’s very difficult to get accurate information so everybody engages in propaganda. At this point it would be unwise to say the Russians did it, the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it. Is it so hard to simply demand a real investigation?

[Nataliya]

Also, the mainstream media and the Western governments are not interested in reporting any of the following evidences of Kiev’s involvement in this crash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5HtzbMy-E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMgIpC-bCfQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c__Fm5liCo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[KMCopeland]

My first impression was that Obummer shot it down. This, intended to form a negative bias against Putin, who is far smarter, better looking, has a better physique, has actual experience and leadership acumen, than the non-citizen, anti-Christ, devout follower of Lucifer, radical Islamist, and bi-sexual golf playing, wannabe leader of the free world, Obama.

Miley Cyrus chewing gum while walking would have been a big enough distraction for the media to forget about the mile long list of treason, poor judgement, cover-ups, and blatant disregard for the law, that is Obama's trademark, but this distraction may be in the news for even longer than a day.

Besides, it was probably carrying the mysteriously lost email backup server for Lois Lerner's emails.

You're an embarrassment to the whole country.

[KMCopeland]

Occam's Razor people.