What if the mark of the Beast is NOT an RFID chip?

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Row, that was a good observation. I do know that the church recommends some vaccinations. I'm leery of many immunizations, yet feel that some might be necessary...especially tetanus.

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BrianM wrote:Whatever the mark of the beast is...

It's not something that's going to be secretly forced on us... it will be something we choose to receive.

That being said, do you think the Prophets will warn us saying "This -------- is the mark of the beast, don't accept it!" or do you think we'll be left to our own discernment regarding what actually is the mark of the beast?
Brian I think you are right. I have had impressions about the need for smart phones to be able to keep up in the business world now and how that could be the fulfilling of this prophecy. The majority of the human population is right handed, hence the mark in the right hand, and if you look at people viewing the small screens on their smart phones from the front it looks like the phone is on their forehead. Revelations 13 :17 gives 3 ways people have the mark, 1. Have the mark, 2. know the name of the beast 3. or the number of his name.

Incidentally Brian I like your QR code avatar.

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Brian,

I agree that the mark will be something that we choose to accept ... however the price for not "choosing" it may be unpleasant in many instances.

ROW,

Good point about abortion, and a very sad thing. What I meant by that statement though was ritualistic sacrifice of individuals in the service of some perverted "spiritual" demand.

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ldsfireguy,

I think that abortion fits the definition of human sacrifice in a couple ways. You mentioned "ritualistic sacrifice of individuals in the service of some perverted "spiritual" demand". Aren't most abortions a sacrifice to the god of leisure? selfishness? or for the sake of "Gaia"? Look that last one up, if you're unfamiliar the term. That one is the driving force for many things right now- and a reason that many people are calling good, evil; and evil; good.
Though I don't currently see a connection with this and the mark of the Beast. Most likely there will be one later.

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Makes you want to run right out and get your babies vaccinated . . .


A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT IS IN VACCINES:
Diphtheria, Pertusiss, Tetanus vaccine

Cultured diphtheria bacterium, pertussis (whooping cough) organism and Tetanus Toxin.

>From modified Cohen-Wheeler broth

Sodium chloride

Sodium Hydroxide (also known as lye, caustic soda, soda lye.) Is corrosive and is an Eye, skin and respiratory irritant. Can burn eyes, skin and internal organs. Can cause lung and tissue damage, blindness and can be fatal if swallowed. Found in oven cleaners, tub and tile cleaners, toilet bowl cleaners and drain openers.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Hydrochloric acid: CAN DISTROY TISSUE UPON DIRECT CONTACT! Found in aluminum cleaners and rust removers.

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages. causes cancer.

Phosphates: suffocates all forms of aquatic life. Found in laundry and dishwasher detergent and cleaners.

Our government wants your child to receive 5 injections.
Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine

Live measles and mumps virus grown in cell cultures from chick embryos. Live rubella virus grown in human diploid cells (human aborted fetus) Wistar RA 27/2 strain grown in aborted fetus originating from the tissues of a fetus aborted in 1964 after the 25 year old mother developed rubella. Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, hydrolyzed gelatin.
Also other preservatives, unknown to me which ones

The government wants your child to receive 2 shots of these 3 vaccines=15 !
Polio-live

Contains 3 types of live polio viruses. Grown in African green monkey kidney cell culture and calf serum.

Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, streptomycin.
Polio-inactivated/dead

Contains 3 types of live polio viruses. Grown in African green monkey kidney cell culture and calf serum.

Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, streptomycin.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.
Polynyxin B

The government wants your child to receive 4 servings of that.
HIB

Haemophilus influenzae type B

Sacchaarides

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages.

They want ya to vaccinate your child with this 4 times.
Hepatitis B

Derived from fermentation cultures of a recombinant strain of yeast containing the hepatitis gene.

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (does contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Note about this vaccine: is not approved by the FDA for use on newborns.

Vaccinate 3 injections
Varicella Zoster Ò–Chicken Pox

Varicella vaccine virus is a live vaccine created from the lung tissue of two aborted babies at three months gestation, one boy and one girl.
MSG

Monosodium Glutamate known as MSG: toxic preservative and flavor enhancer. Found in many foods especially Asian foods. Used as a stabilizer in vaccines. Prevents heat, light and acidity from changing the vaccine’s state.
Processed gelatin

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Phosphates: suffocates all forms of aquatic life. Found in laundry and dishwasher detergent and cleaners.

Government says 3 doses of this vaccine


New vaccines such as the “ear infection” vaccine are on its way. Actually the “ear infection” vaccine is being used right now, though it’s not officially recommended. Look for a “Super vaccine” coming soon, a vaccine with everything in one shot, and the AIDS vaccine. And but of course the long awaited vaccine spliced into our produce so all we have to do is eat a banana to get inoculated.

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynew ... sinvax.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Yep when my son went on his mission to Japan 6 years ago, it was mandatory to get all vaccines up to date, made me sad to see all that pumped into his system and now it's mandatory the flu vaccine if you are in the MTC in the winter. :(

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That's ...

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... FORCED VACCINATION!

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Unbelievable!

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Hard to believe the church leaders have been brainwashed into accepting BIG PHARMA'S SCUMBAGGERY!

Second thoughts no it’s not, THERE ARE TARES AMONGST THE WHEAT!

& they’re doing a great job of selling us out for their OWN SELFISH GAIN.

Oh LORD please HURRY & CLEAN UP THE CHURCH FROM THE TOP DOWN.

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The mark of the beast is an interesting topic. Yes I know that many people interpret that to mean things from bar codes in the fore head or arm, implanted micro chips and other things. The theories I have heard over the years is you won't be able to transact business in the world with out said mark. But I think it is more and different then that.

Say our technologically advanced society perfects God given technology to the point that we no longer have to carry a wallet full of plastic, say drivers license, credit cards, permit, or lest I say temple recommend to be able to go out and do things. I would think we would all take advantage of the technology. It is not the technology itself, it is the way it is used. Debit card's are a good thing. You can use it to renew your subscription or go out and sign up to a porn web site. It is how we as human's use technology that is good or bad, righteous or evil.

The thought occurs to me that the beast represents the many and various evils that exist in the world.
So if we partake to any degree of those evils, are we not marking or giving ourselves the mark of the beast to some degree or another? In a figurative or symbolic sense I believe the answer is yes. If we think evil thoughts or commit evil acts (whatever those may be) are we not letting into our minds and hearts the spirit of Satan?

So when we talk about the evils of the world it is worth while to consider the world in which we live in and the things we should stay away from and the things we should focus on as faithful Latter Day Saints. I have always found 1John 2:15-17 to be illuminating:

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

In your mind, think of what falls in the above mentioned categories. In my simple mind many things. We have the power and ability to not invite Satan into our lives. Let's take advantage of it! Fortunately if we happen to falter, and are willing to admit we made a mistake there is repentance. All of us should always remember if you take advantage of repentance now and on a daily basis as we all should, the Savior has already payed for our sins ...... over 2000 years ago.

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I thought that the mark of the beast was the symbol of the cross. That people being required to wear the mark of the beast in their forehead or right hand developed into what is now Ash Wednesday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I had heard that the Roman Catholic Church used this as a sign to show who they would not allow to buy and sell. It makes sense that the mark is the cross, seeing as it represents Satan's moment of power - when he had such a great hold of the people's hearts that they crucified their God. Perhaps this is why the LDS Church doesn't use crosses anywhere.

The cross is also the symbol of "Christianity," consisting of the first psuedo-Christian church, the Roman Catholic Church (the first beast) and the protestant churches (the other beast in Revelation 13). They both use the power (false priesthoods) given to them by the dragon (Satan) to perform miracles.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Elder James E. Talmage in Jesus the Christ Chapter 40: A Long Night of Apostasy taught that this prophecy was fulfilled with the invention of the papal position. The full text of the book can be found here: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22542/22 ... 2542-h.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

According to a friend of mine, under the pope's "big hat" he wears a crown based on the pagan god Neptune's crown. This crown used to be open to the public until when in 1965 some guy took a photograph and what was inscribed on the crown could be seen: VICARIVS FILII DEI, or in English "Representative (or Substitute) of the Son of God." I don't have any sources for the photograph of the crown story, but in the Donation of Constantine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), the Emperor referred to the pope using this phrase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarius_Filii_Dei" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

If we take out the letters of the phrase VICARIVS FILII DEI that also don't double as Roman numerals, we get this:

V I C I V I L I I D I

We add up the values for each of these Roman numerals and we get: 5+1+100+1+5+1+50+1+1+500+1 = 666

Interesting, isn't it?

I won't try to back up these claims because I haven't done enough researching/praying to know if this interpretation is true. So feel free to tear it apart :)) But according to these claims, the Beast is the Roman Catholic Church, his mark is the symbol of the cross, and his number 666 refers to the title of the pope.

I heard that John used this code 666 and the other symbols to warn the early Christians of the persecutions they were going to face by hands of the Romans so that the Roman guards that were keeping him in exile wouldn't be able to know what he was talking about.

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I don't claim to know what the mark of the beast is, although I had a very eye opening dream once. I felt that my dream was about the last days.I was shown in the dream that what people reach for with their hands will be a good indicator of who their God is. People who would reach out for corrupt or worldly things verses good things would be measured in some way. I always wondered if my dream had something to do with a mark that people are measured by, according to what they reach out for the most. When we buy things we hand our credit cards out to others, when we vote we vote with our hands (and hopefully with some our hearts too) when we do most anything in life, good or bad, we use our hands to express our intentions. Just a thought.

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Shophar wrote:I don't claim to know what the mark of the beast is, although I had a very eye opening dream once. I felt that my dream was about the last days.I was shown in the dream that what people reach for with their hands will be a good indicator of who their God is. People who would reach out for corrupt or worldly things verses good things would be measured in some way. I always wondered if my dream had something to do with a mark that people are measured by, according to what they reach out for the most. When we buy things we hand our credit cards out to others, when we vote we vote with our hands (and hopefully with some our hearts too) when we do most anything in life, good or bad, we use our hands to express our intentions. Just a thought.
Thats a very interesting dream. It applies a lot to today's world of electronics. What we reach for the click of a mouse, our phone, book, pornography. Etc...

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TZONE wrote:
Shophar wrote:I don't claim to know what the mark of the beast is, although I had a very eye opening dream once. I felt that my dream was about the last days.I was shown in the dream that what people reach for with their hands will be a good indicator of who their God is. People who would reach out for corrupt or worldly things verses good things would be measured in some way. I always wondered if my dream had something to do with a mark that people are measured by, according to what they reach out for the most. When we buy things we hand our credit cards out to others, when we vote we vote with our hands (and hopefully with some our hearts too) when we do most anything in life, good or bad, we use our hands to express our intentions. Just a thought.
Thats a very interesting dream. It applies a lot to today's world of electronics. What we reach for the click of a mouse, our phone, book, pornography. Etc...
The mark is in the forehead or the hand. The forehead represents what our thoughts are and our intentions and what we have in our foremost mind that directs us. Our hand represents those things we do, our actions and also those things we have decided to make a covenant or agreement with.

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embryopocket wrote:I thought that the mark of the beast was the symbol of the cross. That people being required to wear the mark of the beast in their forehead or right hand developed into what is now Ash Wednesday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I had heard that the Roman Catholic Church used this as a sign to show who they would not allow to buy and sell. It makes sense that the mark is the cross, seeing as it represents Satan's moment of power - when he had such a great hold of the people's hearts that they crucified their God. Perhaps this is why the LDS Church doesn't use crosses anywhere.
Here is a brief history of the LDS and the cross (hint: we didn't always have an aversion to it)

http://www.amazon.com/Banishing-Cross-E ... roduct_top" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Shophar wrote:
I don't claim to know what the mark of the beast is, although I had a very eye opening dream once. I felt that my dream was about the last days.I was shown in the dream that what people reach for with their hands will be a good indicator of who their God is. People who would reach out for corrupt or worldly things verses good things would be measured in some way. I always wondered if my dream had something to do with a mark that people are measured by, according to what they reach out for the most. When we buy things we hand our credit cards out to others, when we vote we vote with our hands (and hopefully with some our hearts too) when we do most anything in life, good or bad, we use our hands to express our intentions. Just a thought.


TZONE wrote:
Thats a very interesting dream. It applies a lot to today's world of electronics. What we reach for the click of a mouse, our phone, book, pornography. Etc...


Melissa wrote:
The mark is in the forehead or the hand. The forehead represents what our thoughts are and our intentions and what we have in our foremost mind that directs us. Our hand represents those things we do, our actions and also those things we have decided to make a covenant or agreement with.
I think this is getting very close to the truth of it! On a Christian radio discussion I heard a Pastor point out that Revelation 13 says the monster ' causeth all...to receive a mark' in their right hand or in their foreheads'.

He suggested that those who 'received' the mark did so willingly. Well, of course, those who refuse in verse 15 get whacked, so I'm not sure what kind of choice that is!?

Revelation 13
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


I do know it becomes increasingly difficult to transact any kind of financial exchange using checks or cash. Businesses want you to use 'debit cards'. I refuse. It's too difficult - for me -to keep track of all the transactions, and I refuse to allow every utility and insurance entity I have to deal with simply 'withdraw' money from our accounts. When I use actual cash I'm often treated like someone doing something illegal.

So what's going to happen when we aren't able to get electricity or natural gas to our homes without 'the number' authorizing the system to access not only the 'smart meter', but also our bank account? What happens if we or our loved ones need medical attention? What happens if we are required to have 'the number' in order to drive a car or work?

That's the thing about EXTORTION; it becomes a choice one makes only when threatened with dire consequences.

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I think the mark of the beast is a carbon tax.

In California, businesses are already participating in a cap and trade system, where in order to do business (buy or sell) they must cap their emissions or trade enough money for carbon credits to operate their business at a higher emission level. If they do not buy enough credits they are penalized, doing harm to their ability to do business (buy or sell).

The reason I think the mark is a carbon tax is because carbon, the molecule, has unique properties. It has 6 electrons. 6 Neutrons. 6 Protons.

Mark of the beast.

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... businesses are already participating in a cap and trade system, where in order to do business (buy or sell) they must cap their emissions or trade enough money for carbon credits to operate their business at a higher emission level. If they do not buy enough credits they are penalized, doing harm to their ability to do business (buy or sell).

The reason I think the mark is a carbon tax is because carbon, the molecule, has unique properties. It has 6 electrons. 6 Neutrons. 6 Protons.

I like that theory!

In the Midwest, refineries are having to 'trade' in their EPA 'credits' by converting ALL gasoline to 10% Ethanol. It's very difficult to find pure gasoline at the pumps and when you do, you pay 50 cents more a gallon. I understand that Bakken Oil from North Dakota & Montana is of high quality and being shipped off-shore because it commands a higher price.

Meanwhile, farmers grow GMO corn using massive diesel driven, GPS guided tractors; fossil fuel derived fertilizers & herbicides; combines using fossil fuel; dried in grain bins with propane driven fans; driven hundreds of miles in massive grain trucks to the refineries; and finally the empty trucks return back to the farmer's yard.

I'm not sure how much fossil fuel is used to refine the corn into ethanol, but we do know that federal tax dollars subsidize the process.

It's all EXTORTION from cradle to grave, imposed upon the hapless, overworked, over stimulated, chemically toxic, dumbed down income generators. We are nothing more than slaves, really.


Ezekiel 22:12

12 In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord God.


Doctrine and Covenants 59:20

20 And it pleaseth God that he hath given all these things unto man; for unto this end were they made to be used, with judgment, not to excess, neither by extortion.


Now, we have the privilege of being extorted of what means we have left to 'buy' into the Medical Industry.

If you get too old, too weak, ALL your wealth depleted you receive your 'End of Life' conversation with a medical officer.

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rgates wrote: March 4th, 2013, 10:33 am The mark of the beast is an interesting topic. Yes I know that many people interpret that to mean things from bar codes in the fore head or arm, implanted micro chips and other things. The theories I have heard over the years is you won't be able to transact business in the world with out said mark. But I think it is more and different then that.

Say our technologically advanced society perfects God given technology to the point that we no longer have to carry a wallet full of plastic, say drivers license, credit cards, permit, or lest I say temple recommend to be able to go out and do things. I would think we would all take advantage of the technology. It is not the technology itself, it is the way it is used. Debit card's are a good thing. You can use it to renew your subscription or go out and sign up to a porn web site. It is how we as human's use technology that is good or bad, righteous or evil.

The thought occurs to me that the beast represents the many and various evils that exist in the world.
So if we partake to any degree of those evils, are we not marking or giving ourselves the mark of the beast to some degree or another? In a figurative or symbolic sense I believe the answer is yes. If we think evil thoughts or commit evil acts (whatever those may be) are we not letting into our minds and hearts the spirit of Satan?

So when we talk about the evils of the world it is worth while to consider the world in which we live in and the things we should stay away from and the things we should focus on as faithful Latter Day Saints. I have always found 1John 2:15-17 to be illuminating:

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

In your mind, think of what falls in the above mentioned categories. In my simple mind many things. We have the power and ability to not invite Satan into our lives. Let's take advantage of it! Fortunately if we happen to falter, and are willing to admit we made a mistake there is repentance. All of us should always remember if you take advantage of repentance now and on a daily basis as we all should, the Savior has already payed for our sins ...... over 2000 years ago.
Good post. Fiannan should read it.

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The system of the Beast is what you all live under now, since the monetary introduction of the system of buying, selling and trade ye have been under the mark, the mark comes upon those who set their heart upon the worlds wealth, success, fame and fortune. It is the spiritual effect of loving money and material things, the very pride and greed of the world the very impact of the selfish mindset of humanity. The system of the beast has had many stages, were your heart is, is what matters most this is why the rich will hardly escape Hell.

16 But it must needs be done in mine own way; and behold this is the way that I, the Lord, have decreed to provide for my saints, that the poor shall be exalted, in that the rich are made low.

17 For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves.

18 Therefore, if any man shall take of the abundance which I have made, and impart not his portion, according to the law of my gospel, unto the poor and the needy, he shall, with the wicked, lift up his eyes in hell, being in torment.

Zion is what the saints must become if truly want to be free of the Mark, Mammon is to love the things of the world including money and material things and it way of life accepting it in heart even defending it and loving it more than the righteousness things of God, the rich hardly enter the kingdom of God because of their selfishness.

21 And now, if God, who has created you, on whom you are dependent for your lives and for all that ye have and are, doth grant unto you whatsoever ye ask that is right, in faith, believing that ye shall receive, O then, how ye ought to impart of the substance that ye have one to another.

22 And if ye judge the man who putteth up his petition to you for your substance that he perish not, and condemn him, how much more just will be your condemnation for withholding your substance, which doth not belong to you but to God, to whom also your life belongeth; and yet ye put up no petition, nor repent of the thing which thou hast done.

23 I say unto you, wo be unto that man, for his substance shall perish with him; and now, I say these things unto those who are rich as pertaining to the things of this world.

24 And again, I say unto the poor, ye who have not and yet have sufficient, that ye remain from day to day; I mean all you who deny the beggar, because ye have not; I would that ye say in your hearts that: I give not because I have not, but if I had I would give.

25 And now, if ye say this in your hearts ye remain guiltless, otherwise ye are condemned; and your condemnation is just for ye covet that which ye have not received.

It is about a change in your hearts, it should be your desire to aid the poor and needy above even your own self, if you want to Celestial kingdom ye must align in heart, spirit and mind with it.

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So that you may know it has already been setup in the future for the end of the system of Mammon, the Oceans will play a great roll in the fall of the world of Babylon and it systems of economy. In the Millennial to come Money will not exist a new system will be shown to those capable to abide it, a higher way of service to other origin the Light will show mankind how those of higher realms conduct things. The way even the Church is now is not the way of the higher realms, it is still within the system of the beast and still falling short of being able to abide Zion to come, nevertheless it will be given a chance when the One with the sceptre comes to steady the Ark. We speak referring to the Church as the body not the revelations given by the Light, it was suffered a time that the Restoration of Zion shall be delayed knowing the hearts of men were not ready.

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Whatever you think the mark is, the system is generally able to kick people out of it now:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/01/ ... cklisting/

This article supports an interesting point made earlier that accepting the mark is to essentially agree/participate in worldly systems. As the article indicates, they're prepared to kick you out for having opposing views from how we're being told to think.

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This article is about so-called "Pox parties," as well as the crazy "anti-vaxxers," but I thought the last paragraph was the most telling of the divide that exists between those who vaccinate and those who don't...

"But then, humanity has always had absurd beliefs. About 60 percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ and his angels will descend from heaven and destroy the planet, and about 40 percent of Americans think it will happen within the next few decades."

So there you have it.

https://www.dailyo.in/lifestyle/chicken ... PhmDLba984

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Here's what I think - Political Correctness. Just look at what is going on around the world.

Revelation 13:16-17
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
“…We had spiritually marked ourselves. This marking began…when the counterculture of political correctness began, and the assault on Christian values and traditions began. At first it seemed so ridiculous that it was harmless, kind of like a disease to which we were all immune. Soon, however, it was recolored to equal compassion, fairness, acceptance, tolerance, and equality. From there it evolved into a power with the ability to take any truth and repaint it as a lie, to take any lie and relabel it as truth.”

― John Pontius
I thought that I remembered when reading Visions of Glory, that Spencer mentioned that the mark of the beast was a spiritual mark and tied to political correctness. I read a few articles today that made me think of the book of Revelations and the mark.

The rise of financial Blacklisting
www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/01/02/bokha ... cklisting/

I've seen how free speech is being attacked. People are being blacklisted on YouTube, FaceBook, Twitter. Financial institutions are rejecting those that don't follow the leftist ideology (credit card companies, Patreon, PayPal). If someone doesn't adhere to the prevalent ideology, there is a concerted effort to expose them and get them fired. All of this sounds like the mark of the beast.

John Pontius had the following to say, when he asked Spencer about the mark of the beast:
unblogmysoul.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/t ... the-beast/

It seems that these things are happening right in front of us, and many are unaware. Everyone is waiting for a microchip or something else. My belief is that people are being marked spiritually.


In the book of Revelations, God is also marking his people.

One example is Revelations 7:1-3
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Also Revelations 9:4
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those amen which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

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Are thou blind O saints, the system ye live under is the first beast that is soon wounded. For desolation is declared to cometh upon it and world be wounded and man shall cast their idols and none shall desire them, for food and water shall be what they seek and all their wealth of Mammon cometh to naught, a second beast cometh after which is greater than the first of similar power, but loving the first beast was enough to bind in underworlds already and hence many have fallen and are trapped beneath the sea. Ye look for a mark that has already been and another cometh of greater accountability. Mislead is the nations and sees not that the way of life itself was the snare spoken by Isaiah, seek ye not happiness in a fallen kingdom surrounded by darkness, but in the kingdom of God and were cometh that happiness only in selfless living in taking care of the poor and needy and seeking not after sucess, wealth, fame or fortune in the Devils kingdom.

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The mark of the beast refers to the indolence and revelry of blissful joy without regard to higher spiritual matters including the welfare of other beings. It is worship of the golden calf of pleasure at the expense of others without having earned it through achieving full glory in exaltation. It is exulting prematurely.

Obviously, most today are responsible for this particular sin.

There are other marks as well. Some brandings castrate cattle, stemming their spiritual growth, keeping them infantile and drooling, worshiping idols of wood and gold leaves, which they flip through like candy on the way to their next meal to get off on some narcissistic eros.

The marks work hand in hand: when one believes he has achieved the goal through idolizing words in a dead tome without discernment, he takes upon hisself authority he has assumed but not been given. He becomes the beast, unable to advance, and unworthy to proceed, for his sins are laid bare, and his elders could not tolerate his soaring.

Many take a path of selfishness, and spend the bulk of their time masking it with false praises. Of course, GOD sees.

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