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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mktUHZ9HXKc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And just remember, all you hard-core "I ain't voting for no Mitt Romney" people...a vote for anyone BUT Romney is a vote for Obama. I am sure that would make a few BYU co-eds happy as can be! :D

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Yuk, terrible, against liberty, woman's lib, gays support, this girl is not a true Mormon. It reminds me of the product the church is currently churning out by trying to baptize the world dispute the fact that god said few be it that find the way. This is a perfect example of a person who should not be Mormon, and will not be welcome in Zion.

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firend wrote:Yuk, terrible, against liberty, woman's lib, gays support, this girl is not a true Mormon. It reminds me of the product the church is currently churning out by trying to baptize the world dispute the fact that god said few be it that find the way. This is a perfect example of a person who should not be Mormon, and will not be welcome in Zion.
Are you Zion's gatekeeper?

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firend wrote:this girl is not a true Mormon. It reminds me of the product the church is currently churning out by trying to baptize the world dispute the fact that god said few be it that find the way. This is a perfect example of a person who should not be Mormon, and will not be welcome in Zion.
So the standard by which you wish to be judged is "if you don't agree with me politically then you aren't welcome in Zion"?

Or don't the same rules apply to you as apply to her?

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I judge righteous judgment. You have your agency to defend her if you so choose. Yes I am a gatekeeper, all priesthood holders must watch over the church and purge out the evil. You may want to re-read the d&c.
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What the hell is happening to the lords church. Are you serious. It is her right to believe what she will politically as long as she does not infringe upon my rights, but she is Mormon, and I have a responsibility to purge out evil like this from the church.
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Joel Skousen was 100% correct. 1/3 of mormons are constitutionalists and believe in freedom and free markets and less government. 1/3 of Mormons are main stream mormons. This un-educated mesh-mellow brain dead woman is one of these. Young men stay away from this women as she will lead you down to hell. Finally 1/3 are dumb down citizens of give us free stuff or don't care.

This type of mormon is going to get weeded out. Supports gay marriage when the Prophet Seer and Revelator the only man on earth that has the mouth of god to his ear and she rejects his council. Once again Young men of the Church at BYU distance yourself from these type of women.

I would like to also point out that most of her comments were about selfish reasons to vote for Obama. Equal pay regulation and equal rights for women. She has a slanted view of equal rights, she is taunting the womens lib act rhetoric, clearly this women is still asleep.

Then she touts that OBAMA care is so great. Now the communist Obama is so righteous to give free health care to all and especially WOMEN. She is a feminist and way to the left. He ended the war in Iraq? really what about the war in Afghanistan, we are still there protecting the heroin market? What about the War in Egypt and Libya and Syria ????? Did he end those wars or help start those wars and keep them going?

Does she know that Obama is alleged to be a homosexual and that while he was at the reveren wrights church he had gay sex with the choir director. In fact, wrights church was a cover for black homosexual meet ups. Then when Obama was going to run for the Presidency that two of his former gay lovers were murdered in Chicago and those murders have never been solved.

All 3 Homosexual Members Of Obama’s Trinity Church Murdered Within 6 Weeks.

In late May, Wash. DC-based investigative journalist Wayne Madsen had a bombshell revelation about Obama’s membership in a Chicago gay club, Man’s Country. Madsen also reported on Obama’s sexual relationships with other men, including named D.C. politicians and Donald Young, the openly-gay choir-director of the church in Chicago of which Obama was a member for some 20 years — Jeremy Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ black liberation theology. Obama is an alleged lair if this is true and it appears to be true.

His tax reforms help the middle class and not just the top 1%? This women is in complete denial of all the facts of how the USA really operates. How do you wake up a person this far gone?

Only a little at a time. One small truth after another might finally wake this mind numb robot up.

I could go on and on but the bottom line is if you are a true disciple of Jesus Christ then you need to support his form of government. What is that?
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firend wrote:I judge righteous judgment. You have your agency to defend her if you so choose. Yes I am a gatekeeper, all priesthood holders must watch over the church and purge out the evil. You may want to re-read the d&c.
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firend wrote:It reminds me of the product the church is currently churning out by trying to baptize the world dispute the fact that god said few be it that find the way.
Somewhere along the line I added the words "on their own" after Matthew 7:14. I'm not sure where or why I did that (In the very dark and dusty crevices of my mind I seem to think Elder Maxwell said it at one time) but it certainly makes sense in light of the missionary program on both sides of the veil.

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This girl and others like her at BYU are what drive my constitution-loving, conservative, faithful BYU-attending sons CRAZY! yuk :-o

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karend77 wrote:This girl and others like her at BYU are what drive my constitution-loving, conservative, faithful BYU-attending sons CRAZY! yuk :-o

^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ :-BD :-BD

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This young lady is no doubt a bi-product of the massive propaganda machine orchestrated by all those Satanic inspired Gramscian disciples and introduced into the pubic education system over the past several decades. She needs to watch this critical piece from Curtis Bowers in the worst way. Send it to her parents as well. Its looks like they are needing some help in the home education of their children. Brain rot.

http://vimeo.com/52009124" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Fiannan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mktUHZ9HXKc

And just remember, all you hard-core "I ain't voting for no Mitt Romney" people...a vote for anyone BUT Romney is a vote for Obama. I am sure that would make a few BYU co-eds happy as can be! :D
And just you remember, a vote for Romney is basically the same as a vote for Obama, so where does that leave us?

As for this girl, I don't understand these people who claim to be LDS, but then turn around and stand up for everything the church is against. She has really lost her way and bought into Babylon.

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A majority of the stuff that girl supports is/was supported by Romney.

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karend77 wrote:This girl and others like her at BYU are what drive my constitution-loving, conservative, faithful BYU-attending sons CRAZY! yuk :-o
Hey, I suppose we need a few Hannah Montana Mormons! :D

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Fiannan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mktUHZ9HXKc

And just remember, all you hard-core "I ain't voting for no Mitt Romney" people...a vote for anyone BUT Romney is a vote for Obama. I am sure that would make a few BYU co-eds happy as can be! :D
Fiannan,

Those are good reasons.

George

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Mark wrote:This young lady is no doubt a bi-product of the massive propaganda machine orchestrated by all those Satanic inspired Gramscian disciples and introduced into the pubic education system over the past several decades. She needs to watch this critical piece from Curtis Bowers in the worst way. Send it to her parents as well. Its looks like they are needing some help in the home education of their children. Brain rot.

http://vimeo.com/52009124" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Pubic Education" HAHAHAHA

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I want to defend the right to judge. We are all responsible before God to judge righteous judgment. We are supposed to support righteousness and decry evil. You can't do that without making a judgment.

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On the church and right-wing politics...

https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pw ... ectionable'" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Isn't this all a bit judgemental? Isn't freedom about choices, and don't we respect those in the church? Feel a lot of hatred here.

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GoeffSN,

What do you think is a reasonable understanding of Ezra Taft Benson's inclusion and function in the Twelve?

I do not take the position that the Lord was wrong. I take the position that we may not understand all the Lord does.

I am coming to a theory, at this point in my life.

First, if you look at Christ's Disciples, there were 3 among them who were what they called in the day, "Zealots". At certain points in time, their previous moral codes rise to the surface. At one point, Christ is lamenting unbelief and sort of says, "What should be done about this situation?" and the three say, essentially, kill 'em all. Yet, Christ loved them, wanted them to grow to see things his way, and most importantly, he wanted them to have the chance to change their minds all by themselves. Christ had a tax-collector also among his disciples, exactly the kind of person who those three wanted put to death, and HAD put to death in their previous lives. And Christ commanded them all to love one another.

I think there is a great lesson in that. I think McKay wanted Ezra to have the space to learn for himself how to have compassion, to give up fanaticism and paranoia in exchange for compassion and faith in fellow man. While it is clear from the record that Ezra had great troubles doing that, was insistent in his belief that it is MORE fanaticism that was needed and not less, and he absolutely slowed down the church's progress on universal priesthood, I think McKay and later Kimball were teaching us a great lesson, the same lesson Christ taught. We don't have to give in to those urgings by the less-stable (Christ didn't, and the first presidency firmly withheld their support of what Ezra wanted so badly) but they loved him. I love him, too, because he was sincere. People who are trying very hard to do good are ... what grace is for.

So, on this topic, I see that Obama has the moderate, loving positions and Romney takes the .... Ezra path. I am also supporting Obama this election, though I voted for Bush twice. I am a BYU graduate and a temple recommend holder.

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The one thing I give this naive girl is that she is one of the very few posters on YouTube for Obama that allows for people to comment on her videos. Most pro-Obama videos I have run across allow for no comments.

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Fiannan wrote:The one thing I give this naive girl is that she is one of the very few posters on YouTube for Obama that allows for people to comment on her videos. Most pro-Obama videos I have run across allow for no comments.
Fiannan,
Not sure I agree with you on that assessment. She seems quite aware of the impact of a possible Romney presidency on women. Perhaps you are the naive one in thinking that Romney has your interests at heart.

George

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George Alabaster wrote:
Fiannan wrote:The one thing I give this naive girl is that she is one of the very few posters on YouTube for Obama that allows for people to comment on her videos. Most pro-Obama videos I have run across allow for no comments.
Fiannan,
Not sure I agree with you on that assessment. She seems quite aware of the impact of a possible Romney presidency on women. Perhaps you are the naive one in thinking that Romney has your interests at heart.

George
A vote for Obama insures more corruption, more police state, more audacious TSA fondling and more wars.

Romney could do no worse so at least with him we have a chance.

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geoffsn wrote:On the church and right-wing politics...

https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pw ... ectionable'" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ah yes...trying to justify your liberal agenda with this website, which by its very nature is the antithesis to the gospel of Jesus Christ. So many misconstrue what Joseph Smith tried to do in the early years of the church, which was nothing like what Mormon liberals would like to believe. Here is a great article by J Reuben Clark:

(the full article is available at http://www.latterdayconservative.com/ar ... communism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and can also be accessed if one has an account at gospelink.com)

The United Order Vs. Communism
by J. Reuben Clark Jr.

by President J. Reuben Clark Jr., First Counselor in the First Presidency. The United Order Vs. Communism. General Conference Report October 1942, 2nd Session.

Brethren:

I have been trying for a week to relieve you of this experience, but Brother McKay, so kind, so sweet, and so merciful, has been perfectly adamant. So I stand before you here, not to preach, but to counsel with you.

There is a great deal of misapprehension among our people regarding the United Order.

I have not been able to believe that the United Order meant what some people have thought it meant, so within the last months I have spent quite a little time reading the revelations thereon, also reading our history, and at the same time giving some consideration to a dissertation which has been written regarding the Order.

There is a growing-I fear it is growing-sentiment that communism and the United Order are virtually the same thing, communism being merely the forerunner, so to speak, of a reestablishment of the United Order. I am informed that ex-bishops, and indeed, bishops, who belong to communistic organizations, are preaching this doctrine. So I thought that perhaps if I said just a few words to you tonight regarding the way I interpret the revelations that are printed about this in the D&C (if there are other revelations about the Order, I do not know of them), I thought if I said something about it, it might be helpful. I recommend that you, my brethren, read a few of the Sections of the D&C which cover this matter, beginning with Sections 42 and 51. ( See also Sections 70, 78, 82, 83, 85, 90, 92, 96, and 104.) If you will go over these sections, I feel sure that you will find that my explanation of the United Order will be substantially accurate.
Early Deviations

I may say to begin with, that in practice the brethren in Missouri got away, in their attempts to set up the United Order, from the principles set out in the revelations. This is also true of the organizations set up here in Utah after the Saints came to the Valleys. So far as I have seen there has been preserved only one document that purports to be a legal instrument used in connection with the setting up of the United Order, and that document is without date. It is said to have been found among the papers of Bishop Partridge. It was a “lease-lend” document. You may have heard that phrase before. Under this instrument the Church leased to Titus Billings a certain amount of real estate and loaned him a certain amount of personal property.

This instrument is not in accordance with the principle laid down in the revelations touching upon the United Order.

The basic principle of all the revelations on the United Order is that everything we have belongs to the Lord; therefore, the Lord may call upon us for any and all of the property which we have, because it belongs to Him. This, I repeat, is the basic principle. (D. &. C. 104: 14-17, 54-57)

One of the places in which some of the brethren are going astray is this: There is continuous reference in the revelations to equality among the brethren, but I think you will find only one place where that equality is really described, though it is referred to in other revelations. That revelation (D. & C. 51:3) affirms that every man is to be “equal according to his family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs.” ( See also D. & C. 82 17; 78: 5-6. ) Obviously, this is not a case of “dead level” equality. It is “equality” that will vary as much as the man’s circumstances, his family, his wants and needs, may vary.
Consecration

In the next place, under the United Order every man was called to consecrate to the Church all of the property which he had; the real estate was to be conveyed to the Church, as I understand the revelations, by what we would call a deed in fee simple. Thus the man’s property became absolutely the property of the Church. (D. & C. 42:30; 72:15) Then the bishop deeded back to the donor by the same kind of deed, that is, in fee simple, and also transferred to him by an equivalent instrument, so far as personal property was concerned, that amount of real and personal property, which, the two being taken together, would be required by the individual for the support of himself and his family “according to his family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs.” This the man held as his own property. (D. & C. 42:32; 51:4-6; 83:3

In other words, basic to the United Order was the private ownership of property, every man had his own property from which he might secure that which was necessary for the support of himself and his family. There is nothing in the revelations that would indicate that this property was not freely alienable at the will of the owner. It was not contemplated that the Church should own everything or that we should become in the Church, with reference to our property and otherwise, the same kind of automaton, manikin, that communism makes out of the individual, with the State standing at the head in place of the Church.

Now, that part of a man’s property which was not turned back to him, if he had more than was needed under this rule of “equality” already stated, became the common property of the Church, and that common property was used for the support of the poor of the Church. It is spoken of in the revelations as the “residue” of property. ( D. & C. 42:34-36)
Land Portions

Furthermore, it was intended, though apparently it did not work out very well, that the poor coming into Zion, and by Zion I mean, here, Missouri-the poor coming into Zion were to have given to them a “portion” of land, which land was to be either purchased from the Government (and it was planned to purchase large areas from the Government), or purchased from individuals, or received as consecrations from members of the Church. The amount of this “portion” was to be such as would make him equal to others according to his circumstances, his family, his wants and needs.

The land which you received from the bishop by deed, whether it was part of the land which you, yourself, had deeded to the Church, or whether it came as an out-right gift from the Church as just indicated, and the personal property which you received, were all together sometimes called a “portion” (D. & C. 51:4-6), sometimes a “stewardship” ( D. & C. 104:11-12), and sometimes an “inheritance.” ( D. & C. 83 3 )

As just indicated, there were other kinds of inheritances and stewardships than land or mere personal property; for example, the Prophet and others had a stewardship given to them which consisted of the revelations and commandments (D. & C. 70:1-4 ); others had given to them a stewardship involving the printing house (D. & C. 104:29-30); another stewardship was a mercantile establishment. (D. & C. 104:39-42)
Surplus

I repeat that whatever a steward realized from the portion allotted to him over and above that which was necessary in order to keep his family under the standard provided, as already stated above, was turned over by the steward to the bishop, and this amount of surplus, plus the residues to which I have already referred, went into a bishop’s storehouse (D. & C. 51 13 and citations above), and the materials of the storehouse were to be used in creating portions, as above indicated, for caring for the poor (D. & C. 78:3), the widows and orphans ( D. & C. 83 6), and for the elders of the Church engaged in the ministry, who were to pay for what they received if they could, but if not, their faithful labors should answer their debt to the bishop. (D. & C. 72:11 ff)
Other Institutions

Now, as time went on and the system developed, the Lord created two other institutions besides the storehouse: one was known as the Sacred Treasury, into which was put “the avails of the sacred things in the treasury, for sacred and holy purposes.” While it is not clear, it would seem that into this treasury were to be put the surpluses which were derived from the publication of the revelations, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and other similar things, the stewardship of which had been given to Joseph and others. (D. & C. 104:60-66) The Lord also provided for the creation of “Another Treasury,” and into that other treasury went the general revenues which came to the Church, such as gifts of money and those revenues derived from the improvement of stewardships as distinguished from the residues of the original consecrations and the surpluses which came from the operation of their stewardships. (D. & C. 72:11 ff)

The foregoing is the general outline as it is gathered from the revelations of the law of the United Order which the Lord spoke of as “my law.” (D. & C. 44:6; 51:15) There are passages in the revelations which, taken from their context and without having in mind the whole system, might be considered as inconsistent with some of the things which I have set out, but all such passages fall into line if the whole program is looked at as contained in all of the revelations.
Private Ownership Fundamental

The fundamental principle of this system was the private ownership of property. Each man owned his portion, or inheritance, or stewardship, with an absolute title, which he could alienate, or hypothecate, or otherwise treat as his own. The Church did not own all of the property, and the life under the United Order was not a communal life, as the Prophet Joseph, himself said, (History of the Church, Volume III, p. 28). The United Order is an individualistic system, not a communal system.
The Welfare Plan and the United Order

We have all said that the Welfare Plan is not the United Order and was not intended to be. However, I should like to suggest to you that perhaps, after all, when the Welfare Plan gets thoroughly into operation-it is not so yet-we shall not be so very far from carrying out the great fundamentals of the United Order.

In the first place I repeat again, the United Order recognized and was built upon the principle of private ownership of property; all that a man had and lived upon under the United Order, was his own. Quite obviously, the fundamental principle of our system today is the ownership of private property.

In the next place, in lieu of residues and surpluses which were accumulated and built up under the, United Order, we, today, have our fast offerings, our Welfare donations, and our tithing, all of which may be devoted to the care of the poor, as well as for the carrying on of the activities and business of the Church. After all, the United Order was primarily designed to build up a system under which there should be no abjectly poor, and this is the purpose, also, of the Welfare Plan.

In this connection it should be observed that it is clear from these earlier revelations, as well as from our history, that the Lord had very early to tell the people about the wickedness of idleness, and the wickedness of greed, because the brethren who had were not giving properly, and those who had not were evidently intending to live without work on the things which were to be received from those who had property. (D. & C. 56:16-20)
Storehouses and Projects

Furthermore, we had under the United Order a bishop’s storehouse in which were collected the materials from which to supply the needs and the wants of the poor. We have a bishop’s storehouse under the Welfare Plan, used for the same purpose.

As I have already indicated, the surplus properties which came to the Church under the Law of Consecration, under the United Order, became the “common property” of the Church (D. & C. 82 18 ) and were handled under the United Order for the benefit of the poor. We have now under the Welfare Plan all over the Church, ward land projects. In some cases the lands are owned by the wards, in others they are leased by the wards or lent to them by private individuals. This land is being farmed for the benefit of the poor, by the poor where you can get the poor to work it.

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You and I have heard all our lives that the time may come when the Constitution may hang by a thread. I do not know whether it is a thread, or a small rope by which it now hangs, but I do know that whether it shall live or die is now in the balance.

I have said to you before, brethren, that to me the Constitution is a part of my religion. In its place it is just as much a part of my religion as any other part. It is a part of my religion because it is one of those institutions which God has set up for His own purposes, and, as one of the brethren said today, set up so that this Church might be established, because under no other government in the world could the Church have been established as it has been established under this Government.

I think I would be sale in saying that my fellowship with you in the Church depends upon whether or not I accept the revelations and the principles which God has revealed. If I am not willing to do that, then I am not entitled to fellowship. Anyone else who fails to accept the revelations and the principles which God has revealed stands in precisely the same situation.

In the 101st Section of the D&C, which contains a revelation received by the Prophet in 1833, when the persecution in Missouri was at its highest, the Lord told the brethren that they should appeal for help. Then He added these verses, which I want to read to you:

According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the fights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.

Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood. (D. & C. 101:77-80)
Influence in the Americas

I suppose you brethren will all know, but I will recall it to your attention, that the Constitution of the United States is the basic law for all of the Americas, or Zion, as it has been defined by the Lord.

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The Law of Zion

So, brethren, I wish you to understand that when we begin to tamper with the Constitution we begin to tamper with the law of Zion which God Himself set up, and no one may trifle with the word of God with impunity.

Now, I am not caring today, for myself, anything at all about a political party tag. So far as I am concerned, I want to know what the man stands for. I want to know if he believes in the Constitution; if he believes in its free institutions; if he believes in its liberties, its freedom. I want to know if he believes in the Bill of Rights. I want to know if he believes in the separation of sovereign power into the three great divisions: the Legislative, the Judicial, the Executive. I want to know if he believes in the mutual independence of these, the one from the other. When I find out these things, then I know who it is who should receive my support, and I care not what his party tag is, because, brethren, if we are to live as a Church, and progress, and have the right to worship as we are worshipping here today, we must have the great guarantees that are set up by our Constitution. There is no other way in which we can secure these guarantees. You may look at the systems all over the world where the principles of our Constitution are not controlling and in force, and you will find there dictatorship, tyranny, oppression, and, in the last analysts, slavery.
Allegiance

I have said enough. I believe you understand what I have said. Today, our duty transcends party allegiance; our duty today is allegiance to the Constitution as it was given to us by the Lord. Every federal officer takes an oath to support that Constitution so given. The difference between us and some of those to the South of us is this: down there, their fealty runs to individuals; here, our fealty and our allegiance run to the Constitution and to the principles which it embodies, and not to individuals.

God give us wisdom and enable us in these times of trouble and strife clearly to see our way, that we may be instrumental in sustaining the Constitution, in upholding our free institutions, our civil rights, our freedom of speech, of press, of religion, and of conscience. If we shall stand together we shall save the Constitution, just as has been foreseen, and if we do not stand together, we cannot perform this great task.

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