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I've read several threads on the parable of the vineyard, gathering/seperation of the righteous from wicked, last days, is it centuries away? Etc.

My thoughts what makes this different... In the past, the Lord had a way of moving the righteous out away from the wicked to a different land. The righteous were righteous for a time, until pride set in, and then a cleansing to a new land.

Well, we know we are in the "promised land", iniquity abounds everywhere, there is no "clean" place to move the righteous too. In the Book of Mormon, they didn't last hardly 200 years before the righteous moved to a new place to keep their belief system in place (and that was without technology).

I think the cleansing is much sooner than we may think, simply because the righteous have moved and moved to get to the "promised land", and now iniquity abounds so much that there is nowhere for the righteous to go. The wicked shall be swept away this time for the righteous to survive.

Just my thoughts that the Lord is always on the side of mercy, and reserves His judgments until the people abound (i.e.take over-cover the world) so that He makes a place for His children.

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Well, I would guess we are somewhere in Jacob 5 between the verses 52-77 where the wicked are burned:
wild branches burned (vv. 57–58, 65–73)
vineyard burned v 77

77 And when the time cometh that evil fruit shall again come into my vineyard, then will I cause the good and the bad to be gathered; and the good will I preserve unto myself, and the bad will I cast away into its own place. And then cometh the season and the end; and my vineyard will I cause to be burned with fire.

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Good stuff...
Where are we in the Book of Mormon?

I'd place us somewhere between Helaman 6, where the Gadiantons had obtained "sole management of the government," but the people had not yet awakened to the "awful situation" -- and 3 Nephi 3, where the Gadiantons gave the people an ultimatum:
Lachoneus, the governor of the land, received an epistle from the leader and the governor of this band of robbers; and these were the words which were written, saying:

2 Lachoneus, most noble and chief governor of the land, behold, I write this epistle unto you, and do give unto you exceedingly great praise because of your firmness, and also the firmness of your people, in maintaining that which ye suppose to be your right and liberty; yea, ye do stand well, as if ye were supported by the hand of a god, in the defence of your liberty, and your property, and your country, or that which ye do call so.

3 And it seemeth a pity unto me, most noble Lachoneus, that ye should be so foolish and vain as to suppose that ye can stand against so many brave men who are at my command, who do now at this time stand in their arms, and do await with great anxiety for the word—Go down upon the Nephites and destroy them.

4 And I, knowing of their unconquerable spirit, having proved them in the field of battle, and knowing of their everlasting hatred towards you because of the many wrongs which ye have done unto them, therefore if they should come down against you they would visit you with utter destruction.

5 Therefore I have written this epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the field of battle.

6 Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that destruction should come upon you.

7 Or in other words, yield yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our secret works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves, but our brethren and partners of all our substance. [i.e., socialism/communism] .

8 And behold, I swear unto you, if ye will do this, with an oath, ye shall not be destroyed; but if ye will not do this, I swear unto you with an oath, that on the morrow month I will command that my armies shall come down against you, and they shall not stay their hand and shall spare not, but shall slay you, and shall let fall the sword upon you even until ye shall become extinct.

9 And behold, I am Giddianhi; and I am the governor of this the secret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be good; and they are of ancient date and they have been handed down unto us...

10 And I write this epistle unto you, Lachoneus, and I hope that ye will deliver up your lands and your possessions, without the shedding of blood...

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Another question:

In the scriptures, we see that peoples are destroyed when they're "ripe in iniquity". One of the last signs of being "ripe" is that they either cast out or kill the righteous.

In this nation, anyways, there's culturally little killing of people (other than abortion!), so the question is,

Is preventing the righteous from doing righteous things (especially in public) the modern version? Or does it have to get worse- and how much- before the 'measure of their iniquity' is full?

I'm amazed that the very fact we've killed so many through abortion hasn't been enough for judgement and cleansing.

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singyourwayhome wrote:Another question:

In the scriptures, we see that peoples are destroyed when they're "ripe in iniquity". One of the last signs of being "ripe" is that they either cast out or kill the righteous.

In this nation, anyways, there's culturally little killing of people (other than abortion!), so the question is,

Is preventing the righteous from doing righteous things (especially in public) the modern version? Or does it have to get worse- and how much- before the 'measure of their iniquity' is full?

I'm amazed that the very fact we've killed so many through abortion hasn't been enough for judgement and cleansing.

I believe that at some point the killing will be literal (though often in secret - as what the Nephite lawyers/judges did to the prophets in 3 Nephi 6-7).
Don't forget casting out is not the same as killing- but it is just as good for justifying destruction.
Also, the other condition for destruction appears to be when the youth & children have NO chance to learn truth and morality (aside from in a few homes), because society has become so vile...

When these conditions happen (no matter the combination), the Lord acts to remove the few righteous, and then eliminate all the rest....

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Heiro- "the Lord acts to remove the few righteous"

To where would the Lord remove the few righteous to? I think that this is key to knowing we are not in another "pride cycle", but in THE pride cycle. The early saints were chased from one state to another finding "cities of refuge", then to the rockie mountains to prosper and grow and maintain the gospel.

So now that the earth is filled with people, there are no more lands for the righteous to escape to.

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D&C 86:5 . “The Angels Are Crying unto the Lord . . . to Be Sent Forth to Reap”

In 1894 President Woodruff stated: “God has held the angels of destruction for many years, lest they should reap down the wheat with the tares. But I want to tell you now, that those angels have left the portals of heaven, and they stand over this people and this nation now, and are hovering over the earth waiting to pour out the judgments. And from this very day they shall be poured out. Calamities and troubles are increasing in the earth, and there is a meaning to these things. Remember this, and reflect upon these matters. If you do your duty, and I do my duty, we’ll have protection, and shall pass through the afflictions in peace and in safety.” ( Young Women’s Journal, Aug. 1894, pp. 512–13.)

President Joseph Fielding Smith, who was present when President Woodruff talked about these angels at the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple (see Signs of the Times, pp. 112–13), recorded the following:

“One day while I was sitting in the presence of my father [President Joseph F. Smith] back about 1908 or 9, somewhere in there, I called attention to these statements of President Woodruff, and I said I would like to go over the records from the time of the dedication of the Temple up until now and see what we can find in regard to calamities, destructions, plagues; and he encouraged me to do it, and so I did. So I went over the newspapers and over the magazines and jotted down year by year the destructions, the commotions among men, everything in the nature of a calamity, and to my great astonishment each year they increased, and they have been increasing ever since I quit making that record. I was greatly astonished by it; and when I called the attention of one of my neighbors to it, he almost got angry at me and he said, ‘Oh, well, we have got better facilities now for discovering these things. I don’t believe it.’ And he is a member of the Church, too, but seemed to lack faith in these predictions. . . .

“This will be astonishing to you, I am sure, and I copied this from the [Literary] Digest of January 20, 1934.

“‘Two scientists charting the European record find that the indexed number of Wars rose from 2.678 in the twelfth to 13,735.98 in the twentieth century.

“‘Does war tend to decline as nations become more civilized? Many philosophers have said so; but now two sociologists of Harvard University have turned the cold and dispassionate eye of science upon the question, and have decided that future wars, fiercer than any ever fought before, apparently can be avoided only by a miracle. Far from declining, wars increase in number and intensity as nations progress, and the worst flareup since the dawn of history has occurred in our own century.’

“‘Now, of course, he had reference to the war from 1914 to 1918.

“‘These scientists are Professor Pitirim A. Sorokin, chairman of the Department of Sociology at Harvard, and Nicholas N. Golovin, formerly Lieutenant-General in the Imperial Russian army. They have reached their conclusions through a study of all the wars known to have taken place in Europe since Greece and the Western Roman Empire over a period of more than 2,400 years—from 500 B.C. to 1925 A.D. During this period in Greece, Rome, Central Europe, Germany, Italy, France, Great Britain, Spain, and the Netherlands and Russia, there occurred 902 wars (not battles).

“‘Each was studied from five points of view, the duration of the war, the size of the fighting force, the number of casualties, including killed and wounded, the number of countries involved, and the proportion of the combatants to the total population of the belligerent nations.

“‘From these five “variables” a total indexed number was computed for each war, in order that they might be reasonably expressed in terms of a common denominator.’

“Now, that’s the quotation. Then [in 1936] I made these remarks.

“Out of this study these scientists declare that they have discovered that war has tended to increase over all Europe in the late centuries. They say they have learned that in these countries war grew from 2.678 in the twelfth century to 13,735.98 in the first twenty-five years of the twentieth century. Their tables show the growth by centuries. Up to the seventeenth century the wars were comparatively insignificant. Beginning with that century war increased during the eighteenth, with a lull in the nineteenth, yet in that century they were more than 100 times greater than in medieval times.

“‘These men conclude that “all commendable hopes that war will disappear in the near future are based on nothing more substantial than hope of a belief in miracles.”’

“And then I made this prediction:

“‘If prophecy is to be fulfilled, there awaits the world a conflict more dreadful than any the world has yet seen.’ ( Progress of Man, pp. 402–404.)

“Now I want to make some comments in regard to the statement by President Woodruff and this parable.

“The Lord said that the sending forth of these angels was to be at the end of the harvest, and the harvest is the end of the world. Now, that ought to cause us some very serious reflections. And the angels have been pleading, as I have read it to you, before the Lord to be sent on their mission. Until 1893 the Lord said to them no, and then He set them loose. According to the revelation of President Woodruff, the Lord sent them out on that mission.

“What do we gather out of that? That we are at the time of the end. This is the time of the harvest. This is the time spoken of which is called the end of the world.” ( Signs of the Times, pp. 116–21.)

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That brings us to April 2013, just enough time for Romney to get elected (the collapse comes at a time when the Republicans are in office according to some questionable prophecies) and try to fix things; a dollar devaluation, unions vs government, riots, etc. Just me thinking out loud.
I strongly believe that whatever form of collapse/intense persecution we face, will happen during the next presidential term...
I just hope we get all of our currently planned temples finished and dedicated before then (by 2017)...

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Dr Jones,

I put us in 3 Nephi 6.

I think over 50% of America is already "partners of all our substance".

IMHO

DrJones wrote:Good stuff...
Where are we in the Book of Mormon?

I'd place us somewhere between Helaman 6, where the Gadiantons had obtained "sole management of the government," but the people had not yet awakened to the "awful situation" -- and 3 Nephi 3, where the Gadiantons gave the people an ultimatum:
Lachoneus, the governor of the land, received an epistle from the leader and the governor of this band of robbers; and these were the words which were written, saying:

2 Lachoneus, most noble and chief governor of the land, behold, I write this epistle unto you, and do give unto you exceedingly great praise because of your firmness, and also the firmness of your people, in maintaining that which ye suppose to be your right and liberty; yea, ye do stand well, as if ye were supported by the hand of a god, in the defence of your liberty, and your property, and your country, or that which ye do call so.

3 And it seemeth a pity unto me, most noble Lachoneus, that ye should be so foolish and vain as to suppose that ye can stand against so many brave men who are at my command, who do now at this time stand in their arms, and do await with great anxiety for the word—Go down upon the Nephites and destroy them.

4 And I, knowing of their unconquerable spirit, having proved them in the field of battle, and knowing of their everlasting hatred towards you because of the many wrongs which ye have done unto them, therefore if they should come down against you they would visit you with utter destruction.

5 Therefore I have written this epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the field of battle.

6 Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that destruction should come upon you.

7 Or in other words, yield yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our secret works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves, but our brethren and partners of all our substance. [i.e., socialism/communism] .

8 And behold, I swear unto you, if ye will do this, with an oath, ye shall not be destroyed; but if ye will not do this, I swear unto you with an oath, that on the morrow month I will command that my armies shall come down against you, and they shall not stay their hand and shall spare not, but shall slay you, and shall let fall the sword upon you even until ye shall become extinct.

9 And behold, I am Giddianhi; and I am the governor of this the secret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be good; and they are of ancient date and they have been handed down unto us...

10 And I write this epistle unto you, Lachoneus, and I hope that ye will deliver up your lands and your possessions, without the shedding of blood...

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Book of Ruth wrote:Heiro- "the Lord acts to remove the few righteous"

To where would the Lord remove the few righteous to? I think that this is key to knowing we are not in another "pride cycle", but in THE pride cycle. The early saints were chased from one state to another finding "cities of refuge", then to the rockie mountains to prosper and grow and maintain the gospel.

So now that the earth is filled with people, there are no more lands for the righteous to escape to.
The righteous will initially be "removed" to the "tops of the mountains". Then as the promised land is cleansed by the Lord, his people will build Zion. Then all of the righteous of the house of Israel will be gathered into Zion. It will be the only place of safety on the entire earth. It will be an exodus far greater than Moses led. Angels will gather the righteous out. I guess that means we have to be entertaining angels....only those who have taken the holy spirit as their guide and have not been deceived will be those who will be gathered. Isaiah is quite sure about this story line, as are the rest of the prophets.

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reese wrote:
Book of Ruth wrote:Heiro- "the Lord acts to remove the few righteous"

To where would the Lord remove the few righteous to? I think that this is key to knowing we are not in another "pride cycle", but in THE pride cycle. The early saints were chased from one state to another finding "cities of refuge", then to the rockie mountains to prosper and grow and maintain the gospel.

So now that the earth is filled with people, there are no more lands for the righteous to escape to.
The righteous will initially be "removed" to the "tops of the mountains". Then as the promised land is cleansed by the Lord, his people will build Zion. Then all of the righteous of the house of Israel will be gathered into Zion. It will be the only place of safety on the entire earth. It will be an exodus far greater than Moses led. Angels will gather the righteous out. I guess that means we have to be entertaining angels....only those who have taken the holy spirit as their guide and have not been deceived will be those who will be gathered. Isaiah is quite sure about this story line, as are the rest of the prophets.
You know, I could be completely off base, but something just struck me.

Most of us here on teh Wasatch front and throughout the Rocky Mountain area possibly consider that we have already been removed "to the tops of the mountains". But in fact, we are living in the mountain valleys. And people have asked where would we retreat to, since the earth is full. Well, I know there is a lot of pretty much wilderness in the tops of the mountains - not like you could set up a "state" or even cities per se, but groups could conceivably retreat and survive, worship, and with God's blessing, thrive. With God, anything is possible. Probably won't be needing that cell phone, IPad(tm) or home theatre system.

Maybe the gathering will be more spiritual and may be more of a scattering in the temporal sense. And certainly I am not suggesting that with satelites, etc. that such a group could remain hidden from Big Brother, BUT suppose a bunch of crazies just disappeared off the grid. Would anyone really be motivated to track down people that weren;t generating tax revenue anyway?

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Book of Ruth wrote:Heiro- "the Lord acts to remove the few righteous"

To where would the Lord remove the few righteous to? I think that this is key to knowing we are not in another "pride cycle", but in THE pride cycle. The early saints were chased from one state to another finding "cities of refuge", then to the rockie mountains to prosper and grow and maintain the gospel.

So now that the earth is filled with people, there are no more lands for the righteous to escape to.

Hence the need for the cleansing to being among us....

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HeirofNumenor wrote:
Book of Ruth wrote:Heiro- "the Lord acts to remove the few righteous"

To where would the Lord remove the few righteous to? I think that this is key to knowing we are not in another "pride cycle", but in THE pride cycle. The early saints were chased from one state to another finding "cities of refuge", then to the rockie mountains to prosper and grow and maintain the gospel.

So now that the earth is filled with people, there are no more lands for the righteous to escape to.

Hence the need for the cleansing to being among us....
See the interesting article in the July 2012 Ensign -- re: fleeing to TENTS.
really, check it out. ;)

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DrJones wrote: See the interesting article in the July 2012 Ensign -- re: fleeing to TENTS.
really, check it out. ;)
Impressive Dr Jones....you are ahead of me...I always feel good when I have finished the current issue in the same month! B-)

Good article, and interesting that it comes now...hmmm

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Dr. Jones- Thanks for the tip to the Ensign article. It is fantastic, as is the article on Hope and it even references the seventh seal. Thank you!!

Like all of you, I try to put my finger on where we are at in these last days in regards to the tribulations, especially the cleansing. I don't even try with the the actual Second Coming, because no man knows, and I can't even venture a guess.

However, I do try to pin down the tribulation/cleansing timeline, because I want myself, my family, and my ward within my own stewardship to be prepared. It is difficult to to preach with confidence when things seem vague or distant. I've studied this part of the last days plan extensively, and my own thoughts are we are not 100+ years away from the cleansing, but more likely in the window now of the cleansing to begin.

I really appreciate the "top of the mountains" comments, and it makes sense. It also makes sense that the cleansing will begin "with the Lords house" since we know that Gentiles will flee to Zion.

I've heard and read several opinions that we are in another "pride cycle". Somehow the map will be rearranged and the those committed to the gospel will go to another place, and those who are comfortable living in the world will still live in the same physical location they are currently at. Then we will just start again, procrastinating the day of repentance because we will have chance after chance to change.

Which brings me to my point that this is the Last pride cycle. We've been preached to, we've had the opportunity to obey, and there is no "take everyone and whoever survives the physical journey to the wilderness" is ment for living in Zion. A sweeping of the wicked is coming, there is no "city of refuge". Purity and committment ARE the REFUGE. If in your heart, you have not been committed to the Lord, it will not matter how much water you physically have. Those not pure in heart will be swept to make the whole of the US Zion, and especially making a place for the New Jerusalem.

I base my sooner rather than later on the fact that no people have been able to stay faithful and committed to the commandments of the Lord much more than 100 years without pride and a relocation cleansing. Even those who were there after the coming of Christ (4 Nephi) lasted only 200 years.

And... my intense study of this matter should show you all my own panic in trying to become pure myself, which I struggle with everyday, and I'm just hoping that the Lord has a little bit of a sense of humor, and a whole lot of mercy! #:-s

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Glad you're enjoying the Ensign article, Karend and Book of Ruth. :ymhug:
Book of Ruth wrote:Dr. Jones- Thanks for the tip to the Ensign article. It is fantastic, as is the article on Hope and it even references the seventh seal. Thank you!!

Like all of you, I try to put my finger on where we are at in these last days in regards to the tribulations, especially the cleansing. I don't even try with the the actual Second Coming, because no man knows, and I can't even venture a guess.

However, I do try to pin down the tribulation/cleansing timeline, because I want myself, my family, and my ward within my own stewardship to be prepared. It is difficult to to preach with confidence when things seem vague or distant. I've studied this part of the last days plan extensively, and my own thoughts are we are not 100+ years away from the cleansing, but more likely in the window now of the cleansing to begin.

I really appreciate the "top of the mountains" comments, and it makes sense. It also makes sense that the cleansing will begin "with the Lords house" since we know that Gentiles will flee to Zion.

I've heard and read several opinions that we are in another "pride cycle". Somehow the map will be rearranged and the those committed to the gospel will go to another place, and those who are comfortable living in the world will still live in the same physical location they are currently at. Then we will just start again, procrastinating the day of repentance because we will have chance after chance to change.

brings me to my point that this is the Last pride cycle. We've been preached to, we've had the opportunity to obey, and there is no "take everyone and whoever survives the physical journey to the wilderness" is ment for living in Zion. A sweeping of the wicked is coming, there is no "city of refuge" purity and committment ARE the REFUGE. If in your heart, you have been not been committed to the Lord, it will not matter how much water you physically have. Those not pure in heart will be swept to make the whole of the US Zion, and especially making a place for the New Jerusalem.

I base my sooner rather than later on the fact that no people have been able to stay faithful and committed to the commandments of the Lord much more than 100 years without pride and a relocation cleansing. Even those who were there after the coming of Christ (4 Nephi) lasted only 200 years.

And... my intense study of this matter should show you all my own panic in trying to become pure myself, which I struggle with everyday, and I'm just hoping that the Lord has a little bit of a sense of humor, and a whole lot of mercy! #:-s
" brings me to my point that this is the Last pride cycle. "
Agreed. And the July ENSIGN article seems particularly timely.

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Book of Ruth wrote:I think the cleansing is much sooner than we may think, simply because the righteous have moved and moved to get to the "promised land", and now iniquity abounds so much that there is nowhere for the righteous to go. The wicked shall be swept away this time for the righteous to survive.

Just my thoughts that the Lord is always on the side of mercy, and reserves His judgments until the people abound (i.e.take over-cover the world) so that He makes a place for His children.
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Wouldn't you know it, I teach the "Pride Cycle" Gospel Doctorine lesson in a couple of weeks. You know, that lesson that you hope you don't get, and it's the one you always get.

So, I'm putting a "all-hands-on-deck" call to help me get through to the members that this is the "Last pride cycle", and survival depends on committment, faith, conviction to covenants, and preparedness, and of course, complete humility, submitting to the will of the Lord.

Nothing this forum can't handle, how do I present the material in a manner which will be internalized and begin the complete revolution of a humble, active, engaged, non-murmuring ward that dedicates all of their lives to the preparing of the Second Coming of the Lord?

Thanks, in advance! :D

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Before teaching that lesson,I would be sure to don your "Samuel the Lamanite slings and arrows repellant" armor. ;)

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Dr Jones, you say we won't need cell phones. I found this cool quote in The coming of the Lord by Gerald Lund written in 1971.
He quotes President David o. McKay from 1935
"If we have in mind the physical Zion, then we must strive for more fertile acres; bring from the mountains gold and silver in abundance; found factories to furnish more employment; extend in length and width our concrete public highways; build banks to protect or to dissipate, as has been the case recently, the wealth we accumulate; transform our vast coal fields into electricity that will furnish light, heat and power to every family; improve the means of communication until with radio in our pockets we may communicate with friends and loved ones from any point at any given moment. Is it these physical phases of Zion which we are to build? Certainly it is difficult to picture the City of Zion without at least some- if not all- such modern necessities and luxuries."
It appears we will have the cell phones

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Book of Ruth wrote:Wouldn't you know it, I teach the "Pride Cycle" Gospel Doctorine lesson in a couple of weeks. You know, that lesson that you hope you don't get, and it's the one you always get.

So, I'm putting a "all-hands-on-deck" call to help me get through to the members that this is the "Last pride cycle", and survival depends on committment, faith, conviction to covenants, and preparedness, and of course, complete humility, submitting to the will of the Lord.

Nothing this forum can't handle, how do I present the material in a manner which will be internalized and begin the complete revolution of a humble, active, engaged, non-murmuring ward that dedicates all of their lives to the preparing of the Second Coming of the Lord?

Thanks, in advance! :D
Hope your lesson went well and was well received, Book of Ruth. My comment is late, but I thought I'd post it anyway. I'm a visual learner, so this post from Steve's blog really helped me a lot. I like the diagrams.

http://oneclimbs.com/2010/09/05/the-pri ... ity-cycle/

Look forward to hearing how things went!

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My opinion on preparedness is that temporal preparedness is mainly only needed for those who are lacking in trust and faith in the Lord. Now before I get incinerated for saying that I do have my families year supply and maybe even then some. I don't say this as an excuse to not do those things or be "lazy." But I do think that temporal preparedness really is mainly for those who lack faith and are not close to the Lord.

The Lord tells us in scripture not to take care for what we shall eat or what we shall wear and that he provides those things for even the least of his creations so why wouldn't he provide for us as well? I think many will maybe start out with some temporal things but eventually they will have nothing and they will just learn to rely upon the Lord. They will go where he asks them to and do His work and they will be provided for because of their obedience and faith. I think Spiritual preparedness is above all the most important and personally I hope to reach a place where I will trust in the Lord enough to not worry about those things when the time comes. Sometimes I worry that some are too busy being focused on temporal preparedness when it is only secondary. No amount of temporal preparedness will save you if you are not on the Lords errand. And not lack of temporal preparedness can hinder you from coming into Zion if you follow the Lord and it is His will.

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Ashley I agree however people receive the spiritual better or more openly after the temporal is taken care of. The Lord operated this way as well. He fed thousands and then taught them. We are to temporaly assist eachother and then spiritual assist each other. While there is order to each of these we cannot neglect that the Lord provides both. He gives each as needed.

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