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Jason declared in a post here some time back that Ron Paul was controlled by the NWO and was a tool of satan. He had been dumping a bunch of links here which he said supposedly proved that . I said his dumps didn't prove that as far as I could tell, and I said he should post a paper here gathering all the appropriate data showing the evidence that would prove it, but he said he wouldn't. At that point he lost all credibility with me.

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Great avatar, SempiternalHarbinger !!! :ymapplause: :o)

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moonwhim wrote:Jason declared in a post here some time back that Ron Paul was controlled by the NWO and was a tool of satan. He had been dumping a bunch of links here which he said supposedly proved that . I said his dumps didn't prove that as far as I could tell, and I said he should post a paper here gathering all the appropriate data showing the evidence that would prove it, but he said he wouldn't. At that point he lost all credibility with me.
Speaking of info dumps, that's all I see you do. I don't get it. Why do you have to continue to put down Jason and his work? I see the exact opposite, your the one who I have yet to see prove anything.... just a bunch of info dumps that prove nothing? There are many who would disagree big time with you. To each own. You post speaks for itself. Would you please provide a link to the post you are referring to?

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SempiternalHarbinger wrote:His lecture at an LDSFF gathering was epic.
And I'm still ticked I missed it. X(

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HeirofNumenor wrote:Great avatar, SempiternalHarbinger !!! :ymapplause: :o)
Thankyou! Zeus is not messed with. I think its fitting. I have always loved and been fascinated with lightning/thunderbolt. It stated with Roy Hobbs in the movie the Natural with Robert Redford. Great movie and still one of my favorites. When Roy Hobbs (Redford) was a boy he made a bat from a tree that was struck by lightning. On the bat he carved out an image of a lightning bolt. Years later he made it to the big leagues and used this bat. Anyway, they build up the mystique of the bat and its relation with lightning. So whenever there was a thunderstorm around Mr. Roy Hobbs would either knock the cover of the ball or would hit the ball 700 feet. So imagine a 6 year old boy with aluminium bat out in thunderstorm playing baseball thinking he could actually knock the cover of a baseball because lightning was in the area. Yea,that would be me. Good thing I grew up in Vegas where thunderstorms are rare. Plus I am fascinated with the electric universe and ancient mythology and its relation/similarities with the Pearl of Great Price and the restored gospel. I think I just might have to change it to Roy Hobbs lightning bolt.

On the ipad. Forgive my writing. Hey HeirofNumenor, got a question for you. You don't have to answer, but would like your opinion ... is there any substance to either Jason or myself posts in regards to our concerns with Ron Paul and his beliefs or is it just a bunch of info dumps with no substance and proves nothing?

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Juliette wrote:
Legion wrote:Is this a game of who's Waldo? Or the reverse of Spartacus? He's Jason, no he's Jason, no he's Jason.

Jason who?
Jason was my hero. He was formerly on this forum. and certainly did his research. I do hope he's back!

Juliette is really samual the laminate ... how could you know Jason? You have just proven that you used to go by a different name on here as well.

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OK, switching accounts because someone threatened him (Jason/Mummy/etc.) I can understand. Although who is crazy enough to threaten an ex-Marine is the next thing I would like to know...

And in the past, using multiple accounts to avoid getting a title - level 33 illuminated - while silly, if it is that big of a deal, I have no problem with - although he should have made it clear that all of the accounts were him.

Now as far as I know, there is no longer any title "level 33 illuminated" and the fact that Jason has apparently been posting under multiple accounts - for me that is disappointing. It just looks like an attempt to make it appear that more people agree with his position. I can't see a valid reason for it other than to be deceptive. The other forum that I frequent, creating multiple sock puppet accounts is an automatic permanent ban. And not that I want Jason banned in any way. But I do think it is poor netiquette at the very least.

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Original_Intent wrote:OK, switching accounts because someone threatened him (Jason/Mummy/etc.) I can understand. Although who is crazy enough to threaten an ex-Marine is the next thing I would like to know...
Yes that is perplexing. If all that were on the line is a Marine (no ex's any more - Commandant's orders), it wouldn't be an issue. Its when wives and children are involved and that person has also met them in person yet feels threatened enough with some simple comments contrary to his paradigm to respond with threats of violence.

What exactly that person had in mind when calling for a one-on-one meeting, in person, to discuss (what???) whatever they had on their mind (that hadn't already been discussed on the forum???) after making threats of physical violence? Was it to throw a couple of fists and then be friends? Keeping in mind that the other person is a Marine and has mentioned in the forum before that they carry concealed? Well we'll likely never know. Hopefully that person gets the professional help that they need.

Which brings up a point that I will attempt to make. Each of us, or at least I in the past, have made certain assumptions concerning the members of this forum. I have generally assumed that most are active members of the church and engaged in the cause for liberty. I did think Mark was a CIA plant for a couple of years (sorry Mark) due to my own spot in the conspiracy hole at the time. Finally figured that there was no way a CIA agent would resort to continual use of the scriptures and discussions by the prophets all to infiltrate one internet forum out of millions. Anyways to get back on point here, I made my assumptions that I operated under. Recently in light of the above and conversations with several other individuals that participate here I've changed my perception. There are people here in the church. There are people here in the church that are on their way out. There are people here that have left the church years ago. There are people here who've been kicked out but switched IP addresses and come back. Those are just the ones that I personally know about. Reality is there is probably a whole assortment of characters here for who knows how many reasons. Each with their respective bias, agenda, desires, passions, etc.

The reality is the vast majority of us could be anybody. I personally had laid much of the burden of the experience noted above on Brian until during the course of a recent lunch gained the realization that this is an internet forum (duh - I'm very slow to grasp things - sorry). Its also free. Nobody is paid to moderate or police the forum. Its ridiculous to lay that kind of burden at their feet. Especially in this time of wicked people who are fractured on umpteen levels and can't agree on hardly anything.

So with all of the above said, why participate here? Why come back?

Well I believe that the forum provides a sounding board to test ideas and paradigms? For the most part we are an anonymous group. Sure you may believe you know somebody after a length of time but the reality is they can turn out to be quite different than what you assume based on their comments. After talking to someone for 6 months you may believe you have them figured out only to have them open up at the end of that time and tell you they left the church 20 some odd years ago and are building their version of Zion in Independence Missouri. Now suddenly a few side comments made over that time on prophets and church policy take on a whole new light.

So again why participate and get involved here? Well I think that there is a positive side to anonymity. That is that we can look beyond feelings and the social contract that exists in person to truly test ideas and paradigms. Often in this process it gets heated because these are deeply seated ideas, passions, and central to the core of our individual paradigms. But at the same time where else can you take it to this level? You certainly can't in most in-person discussions. You have to know somebody really really well (as well as having lots of emotional control) to discuss these types of things in person. Maybe some family members although that can also damage relationships (but you are stuck with each other and usually move past it).

In fact, often these things get in the way of our in person meetings. I've met OI in person and had discussions with him. We certainly aren't as open in person as we are on the forum. In fact, since I've changed my viewpoint on Ron Paul the in person meetings have seemed more strained.

I think the great benefit of this forum is anonymity. The lack of relationships. We have the opportunity to test ideas out without getting personal. We can test our paradigms out on a group of people to see if they hold water or not. See if what we believe is the truth or if its got some holes or flaws in it. To throw out what we believe and see how it is challenged. Also to share information. To receive information. For much of my time on here this has been my venting place to exercise my mavenness*** in Blipits. While many have claimed that it is useful I've wondered at many points whether what I provided was truly useful or not and worth the tremendous sacrifice of time. I bounced back and forth on it as all of you know. I'm gone then I'm back.

During this last lapse I've reached the conclusion that I shared above. Well I reckon I've shared the story with you - you will all have your different feelings and opinions on it which you are entitled to but it is what it is. Adios to Baron!

***
Mavens are "information specialists", or "people we rely upon to connect us with new information." They accumulate knowledge, especially about the marketplace, and know how to share it with others. Gladwell cites Mark Alpert as a prototypical Maven who is "almost pathologically helpful", further adding, "he can't help himself". In this vein, Alpert himself concedes, "A Maven is someone who wants to solve other people's problems, generally by solving his own". According to Gladwell, Mavens start "word-of-mouth epidemics" due to their knowledge, social skills, and ability to communicate. As Gladwell states, "Mavens are really information brokers, sharing and trading what they know".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

P.S. On the flip side -

Unfortunately most here use the forum to work on their argumentation tactics. After months of countless arguments they still hold to the same opinion and ideas that they started with which is fine if they are completely true and they've tested the alternative viewpoints. But if they haven't tested the alternative viewpoints and information provided and simply stay in their compartmentalized boxes then there is zero value added. A giant waste of time since they have completely refused to test the merits of the ideas of those with whom they argue with. We have months, numerous threads, and countless posts with completely opposing viewpoints and zero change in stance. Waste of time, energy, and emotions.

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Thanks Baron! Come back any time under whatever name you want. Since we're all anonymous, names shouldn't matter anyway when we're discussing ideas.

And I laughed when I read how you thought Mark was CIA :))

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I regret the strain on our friendship. I truly felt we were brothers in arms for a long time. And in all honesty, the strain is not that you no longer support Ron Paul per se. It is that I know that deep in your own mind, you feel that my continued support of Ron Paul is due to me being "stuck in my paradigm" whereas I feel that you have become so cynical and paranoid from your research that you now cannot accept that anything is a good thing, and you dig for dirt on someone until you find it, and then accept it without being very critical of the sources or determining if the web of conspiracy or guilt by relationship that you have created in your mind matches the record of the person. Or if the person would spend their life "tilting at windmills" just to end his career being a tool or a useful idiot for TPTB. Essentially, it is hard if not impossible to have a strong friendship when you are living in separate realities in regards to something you feel strongly about.

I truly do regret the bad experiences you have had, and regret the need to continually leave the forum/reinvent yourself. I do still like and appreciate you a lot. Sadly, you jsut don;t seem like someone that I would want to hang out with and chat IRL due to the "strain"...which is unfortunate. I do think you are a good guy.

And I have backed off on being a vocal supporter of Paul on the forums, mostly because you HAVE planted some seeds of doubt and I don;t want to be responsible for misleading people. I'll still defend him, and I still am quite vocal in my opposition to the LDS candidate Who Shall Not Be Named. But I have enough concerns on Paul that I do feel I need to resolve before I can be the avid fanboy. It does open ones eyes to other fanboy behavior where people will not see the truth. Hope I am not being guilty of that, certainly something to seek spiritual help in resolving.

Best to you, and if my spidey sense starts tingling on your next incarnation, I will try to remember to keep it to myself. Maybe I will send a PM for confirmation, if that's OK with you?

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shadow wrote:Thanks Baron! Come back any time under whatever name you want. Since we're all anonymous, names shouldn't matter anyway when we're discussing ideas.

And I laughed when I read how you thought Mark was CIA :))
I am so happy you are back! Please don't ever leave for good. :D

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moonwhim wrote:Jason declared in a post here some time back that Ron Paul was controlled by the NWO and was a tool of satan. He had been dumping a bunch of links here which he said supposedly proved that . I said his dumps didn't prove that as far as I could tell, and I said he should post a paper here gathering all the appropriate data showing the evidence that would prove it, but he said he wouldn't. At that point he lost all credibility with me.
A quick search turned up what appears to be mutual feelings of credibility -
Jason wrote:
moonwhim wrote:
Jason wrote:LOL...you are making the assertion that he isn't.

I've already told you my stance. Until I see you put something forward...I'm not going to the work and effort just to please you when you can't take the time to utilize what I've already provided at a significant cost of time.
It's not just me Jason, I bet there are plenty on this forum that would like to see your white paper....but you obviously aren't going to produce it......instead you try to turn the responsibility on me......you will never back up your assertions in a scholarly way. I see that now.
I'm glad you are finally beginning to see the light....LOL....you better set a scholarly example for me to follow on this FORUM (by the way - when was a white paper last presented on this forum to express someone's thoughts about something???) so I don't waste away in laziness and irresponsibility....because so far (your last 90 posts - 3/8/12) all I see is mostly cut 'n' paste (48 cut n' paste posts of "data dump"? - 42 articles, 5 videos, and 1 picture) as well as what you refer to as ("a few conjectured statements") - 42 posts. Of those 42 posts: 20 are replies to me (mostly ignorant and completely ignoring the material provided at the expense of my time...or hammering away at me for not presenting the information in the format that YOU want), 8 replies to Semp (much of the same), and 11 replies to other members (mostly the same).

.....and a whole whopping 3 posts out of 90 of your own stated opinion of which only 2 were barely more than a one liner (Thou Shalt Not Steal)...one of which barely a paragraph (more than one sentence) and there no real presentation of thoughts WITH supporting articles and links...

....so you are ripping on me about a white paper when 2.2% of your last 90 posts contain an original thought that exceeds 1 sentence but doesn't exceed 5 and not so much as a single link or reference to back up your thoughts. So much for your own thoughts and presentation of ideas....speaking of willingness to produce scholarly works (kettle calling itself black or put another way - only seeing the reflection in the mirror)....what's the definition of hypocrisy???

Here is what I suggest...how about you wrap up your 42 cut 'n' paste articles from Alex Jones and Mike Adams into a single white paper???? I'll even make it worth your while since I'm the one asking for it (its not much but at least a little courtesy with respect for your precious time).....for every 10 original and referenced pages I'll send you a 5 dollar bill with a limit of 50 pages. Any plagiarism and you get nothing. You lead out and I'll follow your lead....

White Paper Basics
http://www.canrightcommunications.com/s ... Basics.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Are you trying to emulate me with the.....between thoughts?
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... ou#p265496" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did you ever take him up on the offer?

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Original_Intent wrote:I regret the strain on our friendship. I truly felt we were brothers in arms for a long time. And in all honesty, the strain is not that you no longer support Ron Paul per se. It is that I know that deep in your own mind, you feel that my continued support of Ron Paul is due to me being "stuck in my paradigm" whereas I feel that you have become so cynical and paranoid from your research that you now cannot accept that anything is a good thing, and you dig for dirt on someone until you find it, and then accept it without being very critical of the sources or determining if the web of conspiracy or guilt by relationship that you have created in your mind matches the record of the person. Or if the person would spend their life "tilting at windmills" just to end his career being a tool or a useful idiot for TPTB. Essentially, it is hard if not impossible to have a strong friendship when you are living in separate realities in regards to something you feel strongly about.

I truly do regret the bad experiences you have had, and regret the need to continually leave the forum/reinvent yourself. I do still like and appreciate you a lot. Sadly, you jsut don;t seem like someone that I would want to hang out with and chat IRL due to the "strain"...which is unfortunate. I do think you are a good guy.

And I have backed off on being a vocal supporter of Paul on the forums, mostly because you HAVE planted some seeds of doubt and I don;t want to be responsible for misleading people. I'll still defend him, and I still am quite vocal in my opposition to the LDS candidate Who Shall Not Be Named. But I have enough concerns on Paul that I do feel I need to resolve before I can be the avid fanboy. It does open ones eyes to other fanboy behavior where people will not see the truth. Hope I am not being guilty of that, certainly something to seek spiritual help in resolving.

Best to you, and if my spidey sense starts tingling on your next incarnation, I will try to remember to keep it to myself. Maybe I will send a PM for confirmation, if that's OK with you?
Its OK. We can agree to disagree and move on. You may be right, I may be right, or we both may be right but in ways we've never imagined. We could be best buds for years in person and never even touch on the foundation of the issues that divide us here. Or maybe a good long conversation in person would resolve it all?

Its okay to look at life differently. By the voice of the people as a whole will the agenda be set anyways.

Also sorry to bring up the feelings. I just used our situation as a demonstration that perhaps its best to be anonymous. Maybe I'm wrong on that too? But I wasn't trying to portray that I have any hard feelings for you because its quite the opposite. I've had some hard conversations with Bob but I sure like that crusty old bucket!

Yes PM would be nice. Like picked up on Baron after about the 2nd or 3rd post and was courteous enough to shoot me a PM for clarification which I happily clarified. Of course any new folks might wonder why they are getting a half dozen PMs asking them if they are Jason....LOL!

Well reckon we can say adios to Jerry now (dang I had a fondness for him) and openly let Semp off the hook for that one.

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I didn't mind you publicly mentioning the feelings. I had felt the awkward strain and my personality is that I am much happier discussing it (even in public) than there just be the awkward feelings. I've always been pretty blunt, sometimes I am nicer about it than others, and some have been able to deal with it better than others.

You realize, of course, that any new users for the next year are immediately going to be suspected BY EVERYONE to be you!

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jonesde wrote:Jason seems like a nice guy and has certainly contributed a lot on this forum. I know his real name, but I also know he desires some anonymity here, so I'll just refer to him as Jason since that is his dominant account.

I've been recently frustrated with him after realizing that White Feather and Baron were also his accounts. I still don't know all of his accounts, but to convince him of the futility and damaging effect of his multiple personas, I'll speak against it.

I don't know all of his persona names, but here are the few I can think of right now:

- Jason
- Feather
- Baron
- Mummy
- White Feather
- Andrew Jackson
- Legion?

One thing I can say is I'm not aware of a circumstance where Jason has denied his multiple accounts when called out on it. He is at least honest in that regard.
You mentioned Feather twice. No sense in inflating it any higher than it has to be. And thank you for keeping my real name to yourself!

Best regards!!!

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Legion wrote:Is this a game of who's Waldo? Or the reverse of Spartacus? He's Jason, no he's Jason, no he's Jason.

Jason who?
Nevermind I've finally figured it out. The ficticious Jason Bourne. Original_Intent is right on the other thread. This place is an asylum and the inmates are definitely in charge.

But I gotta admit to laughing pretty hard dis morning. Just waiting to see whos gonna pop up next?

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Legion wrote:
Legion wrote:Is this a game of who's Waldo? Or the reverse of Spartacus? He's Jason, no he's Jason, no he's Jason.

Jason who?
Nevermind I've finally figured it out. The ficticious Jason Bourne. Original_Intent is right on the other thread. This place is an asylum and the inmates are definitely in charge.

But I gotta admit to laughing pretty hard dis morning. Just waiting to see whos gonna pop up next?
Well, and with a name like "Legion" you don't think that THAT ALONE doesn;t make you highly suspect of sock puppetry???? :)) =)) :))

"My name is Legion, for we are many." ROFLMF[reaking]AO!

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Jerry J Fletcher wrote:Like picked up on Baron after about the 2nd or 3rd post and was courteous enough to shoot me a PM for clarification which I happily clarified.
:D

I did notice all the different users!!!

For the record I don't care and I love the craziness of the forum a lot of times. I am a sicko though and enjoy the choas that this forum goes through from time to time. =))

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Legion wrote:
Legion wrote:Is this a game of who's Waldo? Or the reverse of Spartacus? He's Jason, no he's Jason, no he's Jason.

Jason who?
Nevermind I've finally figured it out. The ficticious Jason Bourne. Original_Intent is right on the other thread. This place is an asylum and the inmates are definitely in charge.

But I gotta admit to laughing pretty hard dis morning. Just waiting to see whos gonna pop up next?

That's why I keep coming back to this funny farm. Sigmund would wet himself if he were still alive. :ymparty:

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Andrew Jackson wrote:
jonesde wrote: - Jason
- Feather
- Baron
- Mummy
- White Feather
- Andrew Jackson
- Legion?
You mentioned Feather twice. No sense in inflating it any higher than it has to be. And thank you for keeping my real name to yourself!

Best regards!!!
Okay, I'm still not sure if Legion is one of Jason's personas ... but Jerry J Fletcher is! I suspected that but let it go when someone suggested that JJ Fletcher was SempiternalHarbinger.

Looking back on it, if nothing else it's a fun guessing game... and a bit of semi-naughty stuff to gossip about. ;)

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jonesde wrote:
Andrew Jackson wrote:
jonesde wrote: - Jason
- Feather
- Baron
- Mummy
- White Feather
- Andrew Jackson
- Legion?
You mentioned Feather twice. No sense in inflating it any higher than it has to be. And thank you for keeping my real name to yourself!

Best regards!!!
Okay, I'm still not sure if Legion is one of Jason's personas ... but Jerry J Fletcher is! I suspected that but let it go when someone suggested that JJ Fletcher was SempiternalHarbinger.

Looking back on it, if nothing else it's a fun guessing game... and a bit of semi-naughty stuff to gossip about. ;)
Reckon someone has to provide a little drama and break up the Mitt Romney vs Ron Paul monotony.

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Original_Intent wrote:I regret the strain on our friendship. I truly felt we were brothers in arms for a long time. And in all honesty, the strain is not that you no longer support Ron Paul per se. It is that I know that deep in your own mind, you feel that my continued support of Ron Paul is due to me being "stuck in my paradigm" whereas I feel that you have become so cynical and paranoid from your research that you now cannot accept that anything is a good thing, and you dig for dirt on someone until you find it, and then accept it without being very critical of the sources or determining if the web of conspiracy or guilt by relationship that you have created in your mind matches the record of the person. Or if the person would spend their life "tilting at windmills" just to end his career being a tool or a useful idiot for TPTB. Essentially, it is hard if not impossible to have a strong friendship when you are living in separate realities in regards to something you feel strongly about.

I truly do regret the bad experiences you have had, and regret the need to continually leave the forum/reinvent yourself. I do still like and appreciate you a lot. Sadly, you jsut don;t seem like someone that I would want to hang out with and chat IRL due to the "strain"...which is unfortunate. I do think you are a good guy.

And I have backed off on being a vocal supporter of Paul on the forums, mostly because you HAVE planted some seeds of doubt and I don;t want to be responsible for misleading people. I'll still defend him, and I still am quite vocal in my opposition to the LDS candidate Who Shall Not Be Named. But I have enough concerns on Paul that I do feel I need to resolve before I can be the avid fanboy. It does open ones eyes to other fanboy behavior where people will not see the truth. Hope I am not being guilty of that, certainly something to seek spiritual help in resolving.

Best to you, and if my spidey sense starts tingling on your next incarnation, I will try to remember to keep it to myself. Maybe I will send a PM for confirmation, if that's OK with you?
I have to agree with you regarding Ron Paul. I've backed off from promoting him in discussions as well, in part because the Paul vs. Romney issue on this forum has degenerated into a brawl, but also in part because of Jason's posts on the issue.

Still, the fact that he decided to create several new identities at once and seriously troll the forums has dinged my confidence in his posts.

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Jerry J Fletcher wrote:
Original_Intent wrote:I regret the strain on our friendship. I truly felt we were brothers in arms for a long time. And in all honesty, the strain is not that you no longer support Ron Paul per se. It is that I know that deep in your own mind, you feel that my continued support of Ron Paul is due to me being "stuck in my paradigm" whereas I feel that you have become so cynical and paranoid from your research that you now cannot accept that anything is a good thing, and you dig for dirt on someone until you find it, and then accept it without being very critical of the sources or determining if the web of conspiracy or guilt by relationship that you have created in your mind matches the record of the person. Or if the person would spend their life "tilting at windmills" just to end his career being a tool or a useful idiot for TPTB. Essentially, it is hard if not impossible to have a strong friendship when you are living in separate realities in regards to something you feel strongly about.

I truly do regret the bad experiences you have had, and regret the need to continually leave the forum/reinvent yourself. I do still like and appreciate you a lot. Sadly, you jsut don;t seem like someone that I would want to hang out with and chat IRL due to the "strain"...which is unfortunate. I do think you are a good guy.

And I have backed off on being a vocal supporter of Paul on the forums, mostly because you HAVE planted some seeds of doubt and I don;t want to be responsible for misleading people. I'll still defend him, and I still am quite vocal in my opposition to the LDS candidate Who Shall Not Be Named. But I have enough concerns on Paul that I do feel I need to resolve before I can be the avid fanboy. It does open ones eyes to other fanboy behavior where people will not see the truth. Hope I am not being guilty of that, certainly something to seek spiritual help in resolving.

Best to you, and if my spidey sense starts tingling on your next incarnation, I will try to remember to keep it to myself. Maybe I will send a PM for confirmation, if that's OK with you?
Its OK. We can agree to disagree and move on. You may be right, I may be right, or we both may be right but in ways we've never imagined. We could be best buds for years in person and never even touch on the foundation of the issues that divide us here. Or maybe a good long conversation in person would resolve it all?

Its okay to look at life differently. By the voice of the people as a whole will the agenda be set anyways.

Also sorry to bring up the feelings. I just used our situation as a demonstration that perhaps its best to be anonymous. Maybe I'm wrong on that too? But I wasn't trying to portray that I have any hard feelings for you because its quite the opposite. I've had some hard conversations with Bob but I sure like that crusty old bucket!

Yes PM would be nice. Like picked up on Baron after about the 2nd or 3rd post and was courteous enough to shoot me a PM for clarification which I happily clarified. Of course any new folks might wonder why they are getting a half dozen PMs asking them if they are Jason....LOL!

Well reckon we can say adios to Jerry now (dang I had a fondness for him) and openly let Semp off the hook for that one.
So Jason, what are all the names that you are posting under on this forum?

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Re: Baron, I really almost hate to ask this...

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moonwhim wrote:So Jason, what are all the names that you are posting under on this forum?
Jason is with Mummy - i.e. dead. Not catching on yet? Are you really an Avatar character named "moonwhim"? No response on the credibility post just above that one?

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Re: Baron, I really almost hate to ask this...

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Legion wrote:
moonwhim wrote:So Jason, what are all the names that you are posting under on this forum?
Jason is with Mummy - i.e. dead. Not catching on yet? Are you really an Avatar character named "moonwhim"? No response on the credibility post just above that one?
You've admitted in previous posts above that you are posting under Baron and Jerry Fletcher, so I would like to know the total names that you are posting under.

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