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What the true mark of the beast may be
I beleive people are looking for some global mark of the sign of the beast, some obvious chip, coin, phrase, or tattoo, but we as members have been encouraged to seek the guidance of the spirit, attent holy temples where we make and keep covenants, and show our loyalty to God evven until our last dying breath. therefore i beleive if such devotion metophorically could indicate a mark upon us ( a token of our covenants) then the opposite might be true of those who seek after worldly tokens, or faith unto themselves. therefore below i am sharing some ideas of what the mark really is, and why nobody will really know youve taken the mark save yourself and God alone:
The "mark of the beast" in Revelation 13:16–18 has intrigued scholars and readers alike, particularly regarding its symbolism and meaning in the context of the first century. Examining this topic through the lens of Hebrew context, John’s audience, and the cultural implications of marking the hand and forehead, several insights emerge.
1. Hebrew Context and the Shema
John's Jewish-Christian audience would likely recall the Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4–8, a central text in Jewish faith, where God commands His people to bind His laws as a sign on their hands and as frontlets between their eyes (Deut. 6:8). This symbolizes devotion to God, aligning their thoughts (forehead) and actions (hand) with His commandments.
The "mark of the beast" could be viewed as a parody of this divine sign, symbolizing allegiance to the beast rather than God. Instead of being marked by God's law, those who take the beast's mark are aligning their minds (forehead) and deeds (hand) with a system or ruler in rebellion against God.
2. John's Audience and Roman Imperial Context
Revelation was written during a time of Roman oppression, possibly under Emperor Domitian or Nero, when emperor worship was prevalent. The "mark" could metaphorically represent loyalty to the empire, symbolizing participation in the economic and social systems tied to emperor worship.
The Hand and Forehead: These locations could signify one's public identity and actions:
Forehead: Symbolizing belief, worldview, or allegiance to a particular authority.
Hand: Representing deeds, actions, or participation in a corrupt system.
John’s audience, likely familiar with the coercive nature of Roman rule, would understand this mark as a call to discernment: would they compromise their faith to gain economic security and avoid persecution, or would they remain loyal to God?
The "mark of the beast" in Revelation 13:16–18 has intrigued scholars and readers alike, particularly regarding its symbolism and meaning in the context of the first century. Examining this topic through the lens of Hebrew context, John’s audience, and the cultural implications of marking the hand and forehead, several insights emerge.
1. Hebrew Context and the Shema
John's Jewish-Christian audience would likely recall the Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4–8, a central text in Jewish faith, where God commands His people to bind His laws as a sign on their hands and as frontlets between their eyes (Deut. 6:8). This symbolizes devotion to God, aligning their thoughts (forehead) and actions (hand) with His commandments.
The "mark of the beast" could be viewed as a parody of this divine sign, symbolizing allegiance to the beast rather than God. Instead of being marked by God's law, those who take the beast's mark are aligning their minds (forehead) and deeds (hand) with a system or ruler in rebellion against God.
2. John's Audience and Roman Imperial Context
Revelation was written during a time of Roman oppression, possibly under Emperor Domitian or Nero, when emperor worship was prevalent. The "mark" could metaphorically represent loyalty to the empire, symbolizing participation in the economic and social systems tied to emperor worship.
The Hand and Forehead: These locations could signify one's public identity and actions:
Forehead: Symbolizing belief, worldview, or allegiance to a particular authority.
Hand: Representing deeds, actions, or participation in a corrupt system.
John’s audience, likely familiar with the coercive nature of Roman rule, would understand this mark as a call to discernment: would they compromise their faith to gain economic security and avoid persecution, or would they remain loyal to God?
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God always works through physical separation. When God calls his people out of Babylon, then those that remain will have marked themselves. I doubt this mark is a tattoo, but it will be a sign that the person trusts more in Babylon than they do in God.
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There is more evidence that Jesus never touch the Mark of Caesar even though the righteous Pharisees had it on their personage. Hint hint
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There is very little way for us to know this.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 10:50 amThere is more evidence that Jesus never touch the Mark of Caesar even though the righteous Pharisees had it on their personage. Hint hint
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See this post where I discuss how the Greek may not necessarily refer to the hand!
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I have heard a number of things described as the Mark of the Beast. Here's my ranking from most plausible (in my view) to least plausible.
* Microchip implant in skin.
* Tattoo of some kind or fluorescent dye.
* Injection into the arm, or medication up nose. (The word "cheir" means arm as well as hand, although most Bible dictionaries do not mention this.) I see the current injections as a precursor.
https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=62525
* Ritual scarring.
* A Bindi type thing, which Hindus put on their foreheads. This fits with the worship aspect.

* Metaphorical allegiance in head and heart. (Possible)
* The general monetary system.
* Ashes as applied by Catholic church on Ash Wednesday. I doubt this one as it is temporary and only at a certain time of the year.

* Sunday Worship (I can see the argument for worship on a Saturday, but not how it relates to the mark. Common among 7DAs as you'd expect.)
https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... ilit=Cheirχεῖρα (χείρ in norminative) is usually translated as "hand", but is also used as arm in some classical sources. This seems to have escaped the attention of most people, in fact you won't even find that translation on the Wiktionary entry. [This has changed since the time of writing.]
It's funny, Bible dictionaries don't (to my knowledge) mention that this word can mean the arm too, but dictionaries of non-Biblical Classical Greek do.
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I have heard a number of things described as the Mark of the Beast. Here's my ranking from most plausible (in my view) to least plausible.
* Microchip implant in skin.
* Tattoo of some kind or fluorescent dye.
* Injection into the arm, or medication up nose. (The word "cheir" means arm as well as hand, although most Bible dictionaries do not mention this.) I see the current injections as a precursor.
https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=62525
* Ritual scarring.
* A Bindi type thing, which Hindus put on their foreheads. This fits with the worship aspect.

* Metaphorical allegiance in head and heart. (Possible)
* The general monetary system.
* Ashes as applied by Catholic church on Ash Wednesday. I doubt this one as it is temporary and only at a certain time of the year.

* Sunday Worship (I can see the argument for worship on a Saturday, but not how it relates to the mark. Common among 7DAs as you'd expect.)
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Matthew 17Telavian wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 11:07 amThere is very little way for us to know this.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 10:50 amThere is more evidence that Jesus never touch the Mark of Caesar even though the righteous Pharisees had it on their personage. Hint hint
“Doth not your master pay tribute?”
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
And we know who was Jesus’s treasurer.
Matthew 22
19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
“Shew me” he did not have it. A Roman penny, an engraved image of Caesar on a coin, making it more valuable than the natural material at least in 30AD… we know what happened later with inflation. Who made it more valuable? Men, men who worked for it, mark on their forearm, men who put all of their thoughts into obtaining it, mark on the forehead.
Ephesians 6
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, (government is a principality) against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The Mark is any currency controlled by a government that worships the father of lies! Be that lie, evolution? Or the devil himself….
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The mark, as noted in Revelation, specifically relates to commerce. You cannot buy or sell without it.
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You said that Christ never touched money, which we have no evidence for.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 1:41 pm The Mark is any currency controlled by a government that worships the father of lies! Be that lie, evolution? Or the devil himself….
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There's a huge portion of Christ's life that is unaccounted for. He could have done all sorts of things. I think one of those things was traveling with his uncle, Joseph of Arimathea. I know, I know, the scriptures don't explicitly say this, but my study has led me to believe Joseph was Christ's uncle or great-uncle. I think this is why he petitioned for Christ's body.Telavian wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 2:16 pmYou said that Christ never touched money, which we have no evidence for.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 1:41 pm The Mark is any currency controlled by a government that worships the father of lies! Be that lie, evolution? Or the devil himself….
Joseph of Arimathea was a very wealthy merchant and traveled extensively. I think Christ was traveling with him and visited many places. This may support the theory as to why so many Christian teachings are found in religions all around the world.Medieval interest in genealogy raised claims that Joseph was a relative of Jesus; specifically, Mary's uncle, or according to some genealogies, Joseph's uncle. A genealogy for the family of Joseph of Arimathea and the history of his further adventures in the east provide material for the Estoire del Saint Graal and the Queste del Saint Graal of the Lancelot-Grail cycle and Perlesvaus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimathea
I think Christ was very familiar with money. At a minimum, he tossed the tables of the moneychangers, spoke about the widow's mite, and even gave a parable of talents... among other teachings.
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I discuss a lot of this in my thread on Celtic Legends about the Bible, that Jesus and Joseph of Arimathea travelled west. There is much debate about where Arimathea itself was.Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 2:39 pmThere's a huge portion of Christ's life that is unaccounted for. He could have done all sorts of things. I think one of those things was traveling with his uncle, Joseph of Arimathea. I know, I know, the scriptures don't explicitly say this, but my study has led me to believe Joseph was Christ's uncle or great-uncle. I think this is why he petitioned for Christ's body.Telavian wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 2:16 pmYou said that Christ never touched money, which we have no evidence for.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 1:41 pm The Mark is any currency controlled by a government that worships the father of lies! Be that lie, evolution? Or the devil himself….Joseph of Arimathea was a very wealthy merchant and traveled extensively. I think Christ was traveling with him and visited many places. This may support the theory as to why so many Christian teachings are found in religions all around the world.Medieval interest in genealogy raised claims that Joseph was a relative of Jesus; specifically, Mary's uncle, or according to some genealogies, Joseph's uncle. A genealogy for the family of Joseph of Arimathea and the history of his further adventures in the east provide material for the Estoire del Saint Graal and the Queste del Saint Graal of the Lancelot-Grail cycle and Perlesvaus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimathea
I think Christ was very familiar with money. At a minimum, he tossed the tables of the moneychangers, spoke about the widow's mite, and even gave a parable of talents... among other teachings.
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No, I said Mark of CaesarTelavian wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 2:16 pmYou said that Christ never touched money, which we have no evidence for.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 1:41 pm The Mark is any currency controlled by a government that worships the father of lies! Be that lie, evolution? Or the devil himself….
A quick google;
The Jews paid taxes to the Romans in silver coins, but the Romans only allowed the Jews to mint bronze coins.
The Jews were not allowed to mint coins with human images on them
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the mark historically seems to indicate something akin to marks on soldiers which identified them as being in "servitude".Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 2:10 pm The mark, as noted in Revelation, specifically relates to commerce. You cannot buy or sell without it.
but..notwithstanding all speculation, the evidence of it will be absolute as you have mentioned. Must have to play in the new system.
I still expect that it will be very difficult to turn down if starvation of oneself and children is the alternative. Only those with the faith that they are more than a body will endure it and walk away. The preservation of the body is the most important thing to just about everyone on this planet. Planet worship is the same as body worship.
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Briefly, the mark of the beast was in actuality a chip implant which has a viral base. In other words, it is a biological chip. It can be remotely made to dissolve or leak, of which the viral basis in it, can terminate you. So in essence, you will be like a pet or cattle, herded this way or that. If you do not comply, termination will be what is heading your way by remote signal.
This chip, as well as much of our current technology in computers & such, are from a very bright man, who is very psychic, and very knowledgeable in his field. A pioneer, who was born in 1962, who really & truly seeks to help mankind. But sadly, he falls, just like Hitler to the dark side. Unknown to him, his evil uncle had his parents killed when young, in order to raise him & groom him for his uncle's theme for the future. As I said, he will be a very humanity based individual, until his evil uncle passes on. At this moment, the evil mantle over his uncle is now set upon the man. Then, as Star Wars would say, he turns to the dark side. With his access, he knows the back doors into your devices & easily becomes your ruler, mandating his rules.. Nostradamus refers to him as the 3rd & major antichrist "the Perse". He will leave many times more dead than Hitler did.
For more information on him & the chip, see these two major references:
1) 'Saved By the Light' by Dannion Brinkley w/Paul Perry (1994)
see Box number 12- Technology & Virus (HB, PB, or Pkt.PB)
2) 'Conversations With Nostradamus', Vol. 1,2,3 [CWN series] compiled by Dolores Cannon
If you get the newer editions by OMP, Volume 3 has a master index
I have met & talked with Dannion twice.
As for Dolores, we have corresponded (by snail mail & e-mail over the years) since 1990, just after the first volume came out under AWP (Both Vol. 1 & 2 under AWP, and all 3 volumes by OMP, are in PB format.
As for Uncle Joseph, more is found in Dolores' 2 books-
1) 'Jesus & the Essenes' (get the newer OMP edition, as it has an Index and a Bibliography, as well as an addendum which she shares of a book (listed below) which extensively documents the history of Christianity (referred to as "the Way" back then), as Uncle Joseph commandeered the escape of himself, Mother Mary & many of the apostles, only to have their boat sabotaged. But they still landed miraculously in France, then headed on to the British isles, where he had access to the tin industry there. They (he & Mother Mary) are both buried there.
2) 'They Walked With Jesus' this one (OMP) does not have an Index, but does have a Bibliography. One of the two different stories shared is of Jesus' older half brother (sorta, in the normal sense)-- Joseph junior & how Jesus tried to be the liaison between him & Joseph senior.
The book that people in the UK shared with Dolores, which she shares about in the added addendum is:
'The Drama of the Lost Disciples' compiled extensively by George F. Jowett who had access to many archives of ancient documents. She lists it as 1991, but my used copy backs it up to around 1960-1963 originally published. It is somewhere here in the living room.
Hope that helps in your quest for the truth.
This chip, as well as much of our current technology in computers & such, are from a very bright man, who is very psychic, and very knowledgeable in his field. A pioneer, who was born in 1962, who really & truly seeks to help mankind. But sadly, he falls, just like Hitler to the dark side. Unknown to him, his evil uncle had his parents killed when young, in order to raise him & groom him for his uncle's theme for the future. As I said, he will be a very humanity based individual, until his evil uncle passes on. At this moment, the evil mantle over his uncle is now set upon the man. Then, as Star Wars would say, he turns to the dark side. With his access, he knows the back doors into your devices & easily becomes your ruler, mandating his rules.. Nostradamus refers to him as the 3rd & major antichrist "the Perse". He will leave many times more dead than Hitler did.
For more information on him & the chip, see these two major references:
1) 'Saved By the Light' by Dannion Brinkley w/Paul Perry (1994)
see Box number 12- Technology & Virus (HB, PB, or Pkt.PB)
2) 'Conversations With Nostradamus', Vol. 1,2,3 [CWN series] compiled by Dolores Cannon
If you get the newer editions by OMP, Volume 3 has a master index
I have met & talked with Dannion twice.
As for Dolores, we have corresponded (by snail mail & e-mail over the years) since 1990, just after the first volume came out under AWP (Both Vol. 1 & 2 under AWP, and all 3 volumes by OMP, are in PB format.
As for Uncle Joseph, more is found in Dolores' 2 books-
1) 'Jesus & the Essenes' (get the newer OMP edition, as it has an Index and a Bibliography, as well as an addendum which she shares of a book (listed below) which extensively documents the history of Christianity (referred to as "the Way" back then), as Uncle Joseph commandeered the escape of himself, Mother Mary & many of the apostles, only to have their boat sabotaged. But they still landed miraculously in France, then headed on to the British isles, where he had access to the tin industry there. They (he & Mother Mary) are both buried there.
2) 'They Walked With Jesus' this one (OMP) does not have an Index, but does have a Bibliography. One of the two different stories shared is of Jesus' older half brother (sorta, in the normal sense)-- Joseph junior & how Jesus tried to be the liaison between him & Joseph senior.
The book that people in the UK shared with Dolores, which she shares about in the added addendum is:
'The Drama of the Lost Disciples' compiled extensively by George F. Jowett who had access to many archives of ancient documents. She lists it as 1991, but my used copy backs it up to around 1960-1963 originally published. It is somewhere here in the living room.
Hope that helps in your quest for the truth.
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666 has a manifold of potentials. In the UPC coding system, it is set up in a 6-6-6 manner which came to light back at the end of the 1990s, of which I have the reports. If not mistaken, I compiled one or 2 & released them to my e--mail group *The Academy*, of which members (about 200) were from all over the globe. Think of it as a huge think tank.
Also, back in the day, the Jews used letters, as they had numerical value (gematria). The same with Greek & other alphabets, as to having numerical values assigned. Several (at least two) are referencing back to the Roman Catholic Church. In this manner, a word needed to add up to exactly "six hundred sixty six".
One book that shares this angle (gematria) was:
'Insights Into the Book of Revelation: As Illuminated by the Book of Mormon'
by George A Njeim (1970 PB)
Also, back in the day, the Jews used letters, as they had numerical value (gematria). The same with Greek & other alphabets, as to having numerical values assigned. Several (at least two) are referencing back to the Roman Catholic Church. In this manner, a word needed to add up to exactly "six hundred sixty six".
One book that shares this angle (gematria) was:
'Insights Into the Book of Revelation: As Illuminated by the Book of Mormon'
by George A Njeim (1970 PB)
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The coin explanation doesn't really explain the right hand or forehead thing. We hand over coins and ancients used to keep small ones in their mouths sometimes, but it is a poor fit. Especially the forehead part.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 3:17 pmNo, I said Mark of CaesarTelavian wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 2:16 pmYou said that Christ never touched money, which we have no evidence for.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 1:41 pm The Mark is any currency controlled by a government that worships the father of lies! Be that lie, evolution? Or the devil himself….
A quick google;
The Jews paid taxes to the Romans in silver coins, but the Romans only allowed the Jews to mint bronze coins.
The Jews were not allowed to mint coins with human images on them
Right hand and forehead are far more similar to the phylacteries that strict Jews used, because these are actually bound to the forehead and arm.
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I have always believed the mark of the beast is currency of the beast. Especially when one takes Ephesians 6:12 description of the beast into account. “against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”Niemand wrote: ↑January 19th, 2025, 10:51 amThe coin explanation doesn't really explain the right hand or forehead thing. We hand over coins and ancients used to keep small ones in their mouths sometimes, but it is a poor fit. Especially the forehead part.Bronco73idi wrote: ↑January 14th, 2025, 3:17 pmNo, I said Mark of Caesar
A quick google;
The Jews paid taxes to the Romans in silver coins, but the Romans only allowed the Jews to mint bronze coins.
The Jews were not allowed to mint coins with human images on them
Right hand and forehead are far more similar to the phylacteries that strict Jews used, because these are actually bound to the forehead and arm.
principalities = governments
Here is a good read on tying in the phylacteries into money/currency, I found it after your reply.
https://www.revelationrevolution.org/ph ... ark-beast/