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Below are who various characters represent in the different Star Trek series. As I watch episodes, I pay attention for the clues the authors give for who the characters represent. The episodes present plans the wicked have had for a long time, and twists of YHWH's prophecies. The wicked present ideas this way because they think it will make it okay, because they warned us, despite the fact most people don't know the deeper meanings of the episodes, see PaRDeS.
https://seekingyhwh.org/expose/star-trek/

@BuriedTartaria I know it's not specifics in that are in particular episodes, as I am not passionate about Star Trek, but I do help this helps some with your request.

I would also recommend looking at https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/symbolism/ . It is not complete, I do hope it will help people getting started, and I have been updating it since I published it.
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Guinan is an obscure character in TNG. They keep explaining she is somehow more than she appears but never fully explain how.

Q is a quasi-deity but even he has to answer to someone else. He likes to play with his food.

T'Pau is a Vulcan priestess which in itself seems contradictory.

Quark and the Ferengi definitely have stereotypical Jewish traits (but not education and science, very mercantile). Interesting take on Jadzia Dax. (You have her down twice.)

Going by previous pairings, it seems obvious that Janeway and Chakotay in Voyager would be your white pope/Jesuit line up. Chakotay veers into witchcraft/shamanism.

Sisko is quite a boring character but is set up as a kind of prophet who has visions.

In the original series, the Klingons have been interpreted by others as the Soviets/Russians. (Have also heard the old school Japanese and Norse proposed.)

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SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 11:32 am
Niemand wrote: December 8th, 2024, 6:15 am Guinan is an obscure character in TNG. They keep explaining she is somehow more than she appears but never fully explain how.

Q is a quasi-deity but even he has to answer to someone else. He likes to play with his food.

T'Pau is a Vulcan priestess which in itself seems contradictory.

Quark and the Ferengi definitely have stereotypical Jewish traits (but not education and science, very mercantile). Interesting take on Jadzia Dax. (You have her down twice.)

Going by previous pairings, it seems obvious that Janeway and Chakotay in Voyager would be your white pope/Jesuit line up. Chakotay veers into witchcraft/shamanism.

Sisko is quite a boring character but is set up as a kind of prophet who has visions.

In the original series, the Klingons have been interpreted by others as the Soviets/Russians. (Have also heard the old school Japanese and Norse proposed.)
not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
This is so rude. His response was actually a good one and you respond like this?

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Telavian wrote: December 8th, 2024, 12:06 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 11:32 am
Niemand wrote: December 8th, 2024, 6:15 am Guinan is an obscure character in TNG. They keep explaining she is somehow more than she appears but never fully explain how.

Q is a quasi-deity but even he has to answer to someone else. He likes to play with his food.

T'Pau is a Vulcan priestess which in itself seems contradictory.

Quark and the Ferengi definitely have stereotypical Jewish traits (but not education and science, very mercantile). Interesting take on Jadzia Dax. (You have her down twice.)

Going by previous pairings, it seems obvious that Janeway and Chakotay in Voyager would be your white pope/Jesuit line up. Chakotay veers into witchcraft/shamanism.

Sisko is quite a boring character but is set up as a kind of prophet who has visions.

In the original series, the Klingons have been interpreted by others as the Soviets/Russians. (Have also heard the old school Japanese and Norse proposed.)
not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
This is so rude. His response was actually a good one and you respond like this?
This is his copy and paste response to about half the people in this board at this point.

You just put yourself on that list by calling him out. 🤣

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Someone needs to get out of his mother’s basement.

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SJR3t2, today and tomorrow are busy days for me, but I will look into the information you've shared here this week.
gkearney wrote: December 8th, 2024, 12:51 pm Someone needs to get out of his mother’s basement.
You may just be mildly teasing but I think we shouldn't shame multi-generational housing situations. I've seen first-hand declining staff ability to care for the needs of older individuals who live in assisted living facilities due to family being unable or disinterested in sharing their homes with them, I've also seen the financial inability some people have to be placed in such facilities so they move in with family who does have space and time to care for them. A vlogger I watch that lives in Japan has a mother-in-law that lives in an assisted living facility in Japan , and the vlogger touched on similar issues going on out there and explained he doesn't see how assisted living facilities around the world will be able to function well enough for the high volume of potential residents arriving as the boomer gen reaches later 70s and beyond. I felt the vlogger suggested people of that age will instead be living with their children instead. Many people in their 20s-40s have struggled finding career paths allowing them the financial strength to get into their own housing and for that reason they may be living with family at least temporarily (I see this phenomenon discussed by leftists and right-wingers, if people in both of those paradigms are experiencing it, it must be a problem). The shamed non-homeowner Millenial/Gen Z-er today very well may be tomorrow the caregiver of their Boomer parent as that parent lives through their 80s and beyond.

I just think multi-generational housing is growing in prominence around the world and I wouldn't belittle someone living in such a situation. As some in an older generation may be having children at home longer, some of those children may then be having their parents live with them due to inability (financially and/or health) for those aging parents to live on their own or an assisted living facility. Not all households and families will or are operating this way, but many are and I think that number will grow. Are you able to comfortably retire at 65-69, and your health is sound at 82 and you don't need assistance with ADL's and all of your kids were in $50,000+ salary jobs/careers in their mid 20s and had homes of their own around the same age? That's cool. Not everyone/all families are that fortunate.

Heck, many people view some scripture as suggesting people will some day take over the desolated buildings/cities made off the backs of other people in coming days. Talk about being freeloaders/lazy :p
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gkearney wrote: December 8th, 2024, 12:51 pm Someone needs to get out of his mother’s basement.
Someone needs to wake up and understand how Satan has deceived the whole world and is pushing his false teachings everywhere.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: December 8th, 2024, 1:08 pm SJR3t2, today and tomorrow are busy days for me, but I will look into the information you've shared here this week.
gkearney wrote: December 8th, 2024, 12:51 pm Someone needs to get out of his mother’s basement.
You may just be mildly teasing but I think we shouldn't shame multi-generational housing situations. I've seen first-hand declining staff ability to care for the needs of older individuals who live in assisted living facilities due to family being unable or disinterested in sharing their homes with them, I've also seen the financial inability some people have to be placed in such facilities so they move in with family who does have space and time to care for them. A vlogger I watch that lives in Japan has a mother-in-law that lives in an assisted living facility in Japan , and the vlogger touched on similar issues going on out there and explained he doesn't see how assisted living facilities around the world will be able to function well enough for the high volume of potential residents arriving as the boomer gen reaches later 70s and beyond. I felt the vlogger suggested people of that age will instead be living with their children instead. Many people in their 20s-40s have struggled finding career paths allowing them the financial strength to get into their own housing and for that reason they may be living with family at least temporarily (I see this phenomenon discussed by leftists and right-wingers, if people in both of those paradigms are experiencing it, it must be a problem). The shamed non-homeowner Millenial/Gen Z-er today very well may be tomorrow the caregiver of their Boomer parent as that parent lives through their 80s and beyond.

I just think multi-generational housing is growing in prominence around the world and I wouldn't belittle someone living in such a situation. As some in an older generation may be having children at home longer, some of those children may then be having their parents live with them due to inability (financially and/or health) for those aging parents to live on their own or an assisted living facility. Not all households and families will or are operating this way, but many are and I think that number will grow. Are you able to comfortably retire at 65-69, and your health is sound at 82 and you don't need assistance with ADL's and all of your kids were in $50,000+ salary jobs/careers in their mid 20s and had homes of their own around the same age? That's cool. Not everyone/all families are that fortunate.

Heck, many people view some scripture as suggesting people will some day take over the desolated buildings/cities made off the backs of other people in coming days. Talk about being freeloaders/lazy :p
It's modern society, that has pushed families away from their families. In the NT it's talked about how the husband builds upon his father house. In Germany it was common for married families to live with the parents. Modern society is full of mocking and shaming and not real understanding.

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SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 11:32 am
Niemand wrote: December 8th, 2024, 6:15 am Guinan is an obscure character in TNG. They keep explaining she is somehow more than she appears but never fully explain how.

Q is a quasi-deity but even he has to answer to someone else. He likes to play with his food.

T'Pau is a Vulcan priestess which in itself seems contradictory.

Quark and the Ferengi definitely have stereotypical Jewish traits (but not education and science, very mercantile). Interesting take on Jadzia Dax. (You have her down twice.)

Going by previous pairings, it seems obvious that Janeway and Chakotay in Voyager would be your white pope/Jesuit line up. Chakotay veers into witchcraft/shamanism.

Sisko is quite a boring character but is set up as a kind of prophet who has visions.

In the original series, the Klingons have been interpreted by others as the Soviets/Russians. (Have also heard the old school Japanese and Norse proposed.)
not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
Whatever.. A shame you do not forgive. May Heavenly Father bless you and increase your understanding of things and other people. 👍

In the meantime, I will continue to express my opinions on here. I'm not going anywhere. All the best.
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SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 2:14 pm not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
You've answered me twice. You were interacting constructively with me again the other day.

I will continue on here.

God bless you and teach you. May you love your neighbours.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: December 8th, 2024, 1:08 pm SJR3t2, today and tomorrow are busy days for me, but I will look into the information you've shared here this week.
gkearney wrote: December 8th, 2024, 12:51 pm Someone needs to get out of his mother’s basement.
You may just be mildly teasing but I think we shouldn't shame multi-generational housing situations. I've seen first-hand declining staff ability to care for the needs of older individuals who live in assisted living facilities due to family being unable or disinterested in sharing their homes with them, I've also seen the financial inability some people have to be placed in such facilities so they move in with family who does have space and time to care for them. A vlogger I watch that lives in Japan has a mother-in-law that lives in an assisted living facility in Japan , and the vlogger touched on similar issues going on out there and explained he doesn't see how assisted living facilities around the world will be able to function well enough for the high volume of potential residents arriving as the boomer gen reaches later 70s and beyond. I felt the vlogger suggested people of that age will instead be living with their children instead. Many people in their 20s-40s have struggled finding career paths allowing them the financial strength to get into their own housing and for that reason they may be living with family at least temporarily (I see this phenomenon discussed by leftists and right-wingers, if people in both of those paradigms are experiencing it, it must be a problem). The shamed non-homeowner Millenial/Gen Z-er today very well may be tomorrow the caregiver of their Boomer parent as that parent lives through their 80s and beyond.

I just think multi-generational housing is growing in prominence around the world and I wouldn't belittle someone living in such a situation. As some in an older generation may be having children at home longer, some of those children may then be having their parents live with them due to inability (financially and/or health) for those aging parents to live on their own or an assisted living facility. Not all households and families will or are operating this way, but many are and I think that number will grow. Are you able to comfortably retire at 65-69, and your health is sound at 82 and you don't need assistance with ADL's and all of your kids were in $50,000+ salary jobs/careers in their mid 20s and had homes of their own around the same age? That's cool. Not everyone/all families are that fortunate.

Heck, many people view some scripture as suggesting people will some day take over the desolated buildings/cities made off the backs of other people in coming days. Talk about being freeloaders/lazy :p
There is not much on the Star Trek page. I'm not into Star Trek enough to go back and watch episodes again to write commentaries up on them, nor the movies.

You'll get much more from the Ender's Game commentary, if you want to take the time to watch it. As it is long. But there is a lot in the movie that is teaching things, and showing past Prepares pointing to the Mighty and Strong One. I don't think I got it all figured out. In fact I added three things I figured out after I recorded the commentary.

A scene of interest is the one that represents Satan's tree of the knowledge / intimacy of good and evil. Yes in Satan's systems, he has to mix good and evil together. One path is more wicked than the other though. This starts at the commentaries timestamp of 02H43M55S and 00H30M28S for the movie alone. (Updated post with this paragraph.)
https://seekingyhwh.org/2024/12/01/enders-game/

I am wondering about doing a commentary 47 Ronin or Bee Keeper as they are both about the Mighty and Strong One. And I really enjoy them both.

https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/might ... trong-one/

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BuriedTartaria wrote: December 8th, 2024, 1:08 pm You may just be mildly teasing but I think we shouldn't shame multi-generational housing situations.
It used to be common in places like Italy for people to live with relatives. I don't see this as a bad thing at all. The loss of the extended family has been a tragedy.

In my case, both my parents had died by the time I left high school. I even ended up homeless for a few months. Not on the street but bad enough. I had little control over the matter. Maybe I would have ended up living with my parents into my thirties and beyond if things had been different. Or maybe not. It's all hypothetical. I would have preferred to be able to set up on my own later.

I was speaking to a friend this evening who went through the state.care system here. At sixteen, they were put into a flat/apartment and told to fend for themselves. No instruction as to how to do so. Again, this was through no fault of their own, but it resulted in them making some bad life choices. They may not have made some of these with proper family support.

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I've no dog in the fight, but if you feel called or inclined to try and share God's message, I think working on your approach to people would go a long way. It comes across as very juvenile, almost like "I know you are but what am I" and will put others, who are really seeking yhwh, off from whatever message you're presenting, because you're not representing him well.

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zionbuilder wrote: December 8th, 2024, 3:15 pm I've no dog in the fight, but if you feel called or inclined to try and share God's message, I think working on your approach to people would go a long way. It comes across as very juvenile, almost like "I know you are but what am I" and will put others, who are really seeking yhwh, off from whatever message you're presenting, because you're not representing him well.
I do what I do who have done multiple personal attacks against me, and have shown it's useless to share things. YHWH's word and JS teach not to try to teach such people. I answer questions who have not treated me in such ways who do not agree with me.

I find it interesting people will not call out people for how they treat me, but they will call me out for not wanting to interact with people who do this to me and others.

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May the lord grant Steven added maturity, and may he bless us all with patience and love for others.

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SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 2:39 pm
Niemand wrote: December 8th, 2024, 2:16 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 2:14 pm not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
You've answered me twice. You were interacting constructively with me again the other day.

I will continue on here.

God bless you and teach you. May you love your neighbours.
not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
You could just not answer instead of saying you aren't going to answer.

No explanation necessary.

That is what most people do everyday on this board if they think a discussion is fruitless.

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JuneBug12000 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 9:34 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 2:39 pm
Niemand wrote: December 8th, 2024, 2:16 pm

You've answered me twice. You were interacting constructively with me again the other day.

I will continue on here.

God bless you and teach you. May you love your neighbours.
not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
You could just not answer instead of saying you aren't going to answer.

No explanation necessary.

That is what most people do everyday on this board if they think a discussion is fruitless.
Look at the hypocrite right now.

Not to mention stating I'm not mature right after what I talked about.

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SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 11:49 pm
JuneBug12000 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 9:34 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 2:39 pm

not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
You could just not answer instead of saying you aren't going to answer.

No explanation necessary.

That is what most people do everyday on this board if they think a discussion is fruitless.
Look at the hypocrite right now.

Not to mention stating I'm not mature right after what I talked about.
The maturity comment was someone else.

Just trying to help.

Have a good day.

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Who was Gene Roddenberry and what was his reasoning for making star trek and earth final conflict?

If you know the answer to this, it makes this less likely, conspiracy maybe, satanic, very likely, pushing an agenda absolutely. But stuffing fingers in ears and yelling rarely makes for any discussion.

By the way, James Hurtak figures in this story as well, whose name has been kicked around as something special in some circles...and really just makes me shake my head why anyone would think that...

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SJR3t2 wrote: December 9th, 2024, 2:57 pm
JuneBug12000 wrote: December 9th, 2024, 9:55 am
SJR3t2 wrote: December 8th, 2024, 11:49 pm

Look at the hypocrite right now.

Not to mention stating I'm not mature right after what I talked about.
The maturity comment was someone else.

Just trying to help.



Have a good day.
not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
No need to answer me, but you might want to change the spelling of “Treck” in the title of your OP.

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Lizzy60 wrote: December 12th, 2024, 7:44 am
SJR3t2 wrote: December 9th, 2024, 2:57 pm
JuneBug12000 wrote: December 9th, 2024, 9:55 am

The maturity comment was someone else.

Just trying to help.



Have a good day.
not going to answer you, because discussions with you never go anywhere.
No need to answer me, but you might want to change the spelling of “Treck” in the title of your OP.
I thought he was trying to intentionally conflate trek with wreck. I might have misunderstood.

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RaVaN wrote: December 12th, 2024, 7:16 am Who was Gene Roddenberry and what was his reasoning for making star trek and earth final conflict?

If you know the answer to this, it makes this less likely, conspiracy maybe, satanic, very likely, pushing an agenda absolutely. But stuffing fingers in ears and yelling rarely makes for any discussion.

By the way, James Hurtak figures in this story as well, whose name has been kicked around as something special in some circles...and really just makes me shake my head why anyone would think that...
Roddenberry was raised Baptist and claimed to be atheist. He was an active Freemason.

If you watch the episodes and films, there are a lot of religious themes. Often ancient gods that come back or beings that pretend to be gods or magicians. Apollo in one case.

Apparently Roddenberry didn't like the one about the Roman Empire in the modern day, because they changed the ending to make it look like Christianity was going to win.

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Niemand wrote: December 12th, 2024, 2:58 pm Roddenberry was raised Baptist and claimed to be atheist. He was an active Freemason.
How could Roddenberry be both an atheist and an active Freemason? Freemasonry explicitly states that one can not be a an atheist and a Freemason (Maine Masonic Textbook pp16-17) Further the Masonic rituals all begin and end with prayers. While a Mason is free to hold to any religious belief they might care to atheism is simply incompatible with Freemasonry at it core.

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gkearney wrote: December 12th, 2024, 3:40 pm
Niemand wrote: December 12th, 2024, 2:58 pm Roddenberry was raised Baptist and claimed to be atheist. He was an active Freemason.
How could Roddenberry be both an atheist and an active Freemason? Freemasonry explicitly states that one can not be a an atheist and a Freemason (Maine Masonic Textbook pp16-17) Further the Masonic rituals all begin and end with prayers. While a Mason is free to hold to any religious belief they might care to atheism is simply incompatible with Freemasonry at it core.
So are you saying people don't lie or deceive others or engage in activities simply for the social aspect?

Plenty of LDS people sit in chapels to keep their spouse from divorcing them, even though they no longer believe.

So while atheism and freemasonry may be incompatible concepts, they don't have to be incompatible activities.

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gkearney wrote: December 12th, 2024, 3:40 pm
Niemand wrote: December 12th, 2024, 2:58 pm Roddenberry was raised Baptist and claimed to be atheist. He was an active Freemason.
How could Roddenberry be both an atheist and an active Freemason? Freemasonry explicitly states that one can not be a an atheist and a Freemason (Maine Masonic Textbook pp16-17) Further the Masonic rituals all begin and end with prayers. While a Mason is free to hold to any religious belief they might care to atheism is simply incompatible with Freemasonry at it core.
He wouldn't be the first! (I have a close friend in this category.) Of course, some sources will conflate agnosticism and deism with atheism so it is possible he was in one of the other groupings.

I haven't been able to pick up much of a trace of Freemasonry in Star Trek at the surface level other than supposed universal brotherhood. It's easier to find pioneer and naval imagery. Some characters do wear sashes, and I suppose at a stretch the Starfleet logo looks vaguely like the compasses. (In contrast, another sixties series the Prisoner has a lot of Masonic imagery, often in a negative context. You can also see some in the Flash Gordon film from 1980, and then there are the two incarnations of Battlestar Galactica which have a strong LDS flavour if you know what to look for.)

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