Abortion

[Luke]

Yeah, I can definitely see some nuance for sure. It’s not black and white for me. I think elective abortion of a healthy baby and healthy pregnancy is despicable though.

What makes it less despicable in other circumstances?

Saving the life of the mother.

What makes it less despicable?

Is it less murderous in such a circumstance?

[NeveR]

What makes it less despicable in other circumstances?

Saving the life of the mother.

What makes it less despicable?

Is it less murderous in such a circumstance?

Just think for one second. If the pregnancy is going to kill the mother it's going to kill the baby too. In those circs it becomes a choice between two deaths or one.

[Luke]

Saving the life of the mother.

What makes it less despicable?

Is it less murderous in such a circumstance?

Just think for one second. If the pregnancy is going to kill the mother it's going to kill the baby too. In those circs it becomes a choice between two deaths or one.

Just think for a second.

If killing someone else means that you get to live as opposed to both dying naturally, does that make it less of a murder?

[NeveR]

What makes it less despicable?

Is it less murderous in such a circumstance?

Just think for one second. If the pregnancy is going to kill the mother it's going to kill the baby too. In those circs it becomes a choice between two deaths or one.

Just think for a second.

If killing someone else means that you get to live as opposed to both dying naturally, does that make it less of a murder?

So, you're married to a young woman who's 8 weeks pregnant and suffering eclampsia. You think the right moral choice is to sit back and watch her and the fetus slowly and inevitably die. You don't think she should even have a say in that.

You can't see this is just as twisted in its ways as allowing late term abortions of healthy babies.

This is the danger of absolutist thinking. It always leads to immoral things being done in the name of morality.

[Luke]

Just think for one second. If the pregnancy is going to kill the mother it's going to kill the baby too. In those circs it becomes a choice between two deaths or one.

Just think for a second.

If killing someone else means that you get to live as opposed to both dying naturally, does that make it less of a murder?

So, you're married to a young woman who's 8 weeks pregnant and suffering eclampsia. You think the right moral choice is to sit back and watch her and the fetus slowly and inevitably die. You don't think she should even have a say in that.

You can't see this is just as twisted in its ways as allowing late term abortions of healthy babies.

This is the danger of absolutist thinking. It always leads to immoral things being done in the name of morality.

“You can’t see this” “You think this” “You think that”

How do you know what I think? I’m simply probing you and asking questions to get a better understanding of your viewpoint. It’s not an argument.

[Wolfwoman]

What makes it less despicable in other circumstances?

Saving the life of the mother.

What makes it less despicable?

Is it less murderous in such a circumstance?

It would be more along the lines of self defense than murder. Or a medical emergency.

Let’s say a woman has 4 living children and she gets pregnant again, but this time it’s an ectopic pregnancy. That embryo that has implanted into her Fallopian tube is not going to make it. It’s not a viable pregnancy. Would you rather let her die and leave her 4 children mother-less than end the ectopic pregnancy and save her life?

Or as in the cases shared above, if the fetus has already died inside the womb and the woman’s body is not expelling the fetus, are you okay with letting her die of sepsis? Just because you don’t like the idea of ending a non-viable pregnancy?

[MikeMaillet]

If a woman freely allows Mr. Johnson into her home and gets pregnant, the destruction of the fetus is a sin akin to murder. If a woman's home is entered without her consent (includes incest) and she gets pregnant, the woman has every right to have that fetus removed. If a pregnant woman may die because of complications due to pregnancy, the life of the mother should be preserved.

This is how I see it as a Christian man but my opinions are always subject to change.

Mike

[Luke]

If a woman freely allows Mr. Johnson into her home and gets pregnant, the destruction of the fetus is a sin akin to murder. If a woman's home is entered without her consent (includes incest) and she gets pregnant, the woman has every right to have that fetus removed. If a pregnant woman may die because of complications due to pregnancy, the life of the mother should be preserved.

This is how I see it as a Christian man but my opinions are always subject to change.

Mike

What makes it murder in one circumstance and not murder in another? What distinguishes the two?

[MikeMaillet]

If a woman freely allows Mr. Johnson into her home and gets pregnant, the destruction of the fetus is a sin akin to murder. If a woman's home is entered without her consent (includes incest) and she gets pregnant, the woman has every right to have that fetus removed. If a pregnant woman may die because of complications due to pregnancy, the life of the mother should be preserved.

This is how I see it as a Christian man but my opinions are always subject to change.

Mike

What makes it murder in one circumstance and not murder in another? What distinguishes the two?

Like I said, this is merely an opinion. If a person is raped I see no issue with the removal of the fetus. It was placed there against a woman's wish and in a most foul manner. I don't see a problem here. The same applies for incest wherein a most grievous violation has taken place and a most sacred trust has been broken.

As for the mother's health being in jeopardy, this is strictly a judgement call on my part and I may be wrong.

Mike

[logicalheart]

Doctors who want to make money performing infanticide will have no guilt in letting mothers die to convince the public to support infanticide.

In this case it may have been the pills which killed the mother, and I have heard accounts of that happening before and the News won’t publish it.

[nightlight]

Doctors who want to make money performing infanticide will have no guilt in letting mothers die to convince the public to support infanticide.

Excellent post