Book of Mormon Path vs. LDS Covenant Path/Unholy Temples

[LDSFreedom]

There is only one true path. It is the path the Savior walked and caused to be revealed that He would walk. Lehi found it, and also Nephi subsequently as well.

41) O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him.... (2 Nephi 9)

9) And again, it showeth unto the children of men the straitness of the path, and the narrowness of the gate, by which they should enter, he having set the example before them. (2 Nephi 31)

9) I also have charity for the Gentiles. But behold, for none of these can I hope except they shall be reconciled unto Christ, and enter into the narrow gate, and walk in the strait path which leads to life, and continue in the path until the end of the day of probation. (2 Nephi 33)

19)For I perceive that ye are in the paths of righteousness; I perceive that ye are in the path which leads to the kingdom of God; yea, I perceive that ye are making his paths straight.
20)I perceive that it has been made known unto you, by the testimony of his word, that he cannot walk in crooked paths; neither doth he vary from that which he hath said; neither hath he a shadow of turning from the right to the left, or from that which is right to that which is wrong; therefore, his course is one eternal round.
21)And he doth not dwell in unholy temples; neither can filthiness or anything which is unclean be received into the kingdom of God; therefore I say unto you the time shall come, yea, and it shall be at the last day, that he who is filthy shall remain in his filthiness. (Alma 7)

Even the twelve disciples were admonished to endure to the end after Christ appeared and ordained them.

33)And it came to pass that when Jesus had ended these sayings he said unto his disciples: Enter ye in at the strait gate; for strait is the gate, and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few (few means few) there be that find it; but wide is the gate, and broad the way which leads to death, and many there be that travel therein, until the night cometh, wherein no man can work. (3 Nephi 27)

The "covenant path" is a deception to lead into captivity via unauthorized "priesthood" ordinances, masonic signs, tokens and covenants with the devil who pretends to be god in a temple purportedly of God.

3)Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ("I am the god of this world")
4)Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2)

ANY variation from the ONLY TRUE GOD, JESUS CHRIST, is idolatry. Don’t let Smith or any man deceive you. Be on the correct path following Christ by learning and walking the path He walked. By doing so you will learn that as the Son, He leads us to believe He is also the VERY Eternal Father of heaven and earth. Thus becoming the Father and the Son: ONE ETERNAL GOD to those putting their faith in Him.

34)I am the Lord thy God, who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
35)Thou shalt have no other God before me.
36)Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing (mentally, spiritually, or physically) in heaven above, or things which are in the earth beneath. (Mosiah 12)

38 For thus saith the Lord: Ye have sold yourselves for naught, and ye shall be redeemed without money.
39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that my people shall know my name (be His people); yea, in that day they shall know that I am he that doth speak. (3 Nephi 20)

Don’t allow your feet to go into an incorrect path. Don't allow your body to be unholy, and don't go into unholy temples.

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Your thoughts?

[Bronco73idi]

There is only one true path. It is the path the Savior walked and caused to be revealed that He would walk. Lehi found it, and also Nephi subsequently as well.

41) O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him.... (2 Nephi 9)

9) And again, it showeth unto the children of men the straitness of the path, and the narrowness of the gate, by which they should enter, he having set the example before them. (2 Nephi 31)

9) I also have charity for the Gentiles. But behold, for none of these can I hope except they shall be reconciled unto Christ, and enter into the narrow gate, and walk in the strait path which leads to life, and continue in the path until the end of the day of probation. (2 Nephi 33)

19)For I perceive that ye are in the paths of righteousness; I perceive that ye are in the path which leads to the kingdom of God; yea, I perceive that ye are making his paths straight.
20)I perceive that it has been made known unto you, by the testimony of his word, that he cannot walk in crooked paths; neither doth he vary from that which he hath said; neither hath he a shadow of turning from the right to the left, or from that which is right to that which is wrong; therefore, his course is one eternal round.
21)And he doth not dwell in unholy temples; neither can filthiness or anything which is unclean be received into the kingdom of God; therefore I say unto you the time shall come, yea, and it shall be at the last day, that he who is filthy shall remain in his filthiness. (Alma 7)

Even the twelve disciples were admonished to endure to the end after Christ appeared and ordained them.

33)And it came to pass that when Jesus had ended these sayings he said unto his disciples: Enter ye in at the strait gate; for strait is the gate, and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few (few means few) there be that find it; but wide is the gate, and broad the way which leads to death, and many there be that travel therein, until the night cometh, wherein no man can work. (3 Nephi 27)

The "covenant path" is a deception to lead into captivity via unauthorized "priesthood" ordinances, masonic signs, tokens and covenants with the devil who pretends to be god in a temple purportedly of God.

3)Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ("I am the god of this world")
4)Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2)

ANY variation from the ONLY TRUE GOD, JESUS CHRIST, is idolatry. Don’t let Smith or any man deceive you. Be on the correct path following Christ by learning and walking the path He walked. By doing so you will learn that as the Son, He leads us to believe He is also the VERY Eternal Father of heaven and earth. Thus becoming the Father and the Son: ONE ETERNAL GOD to those putting their faith in Him.

34)I am the Lord thy God, who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
35)Thou shalt have no other God before me.
36)Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing (mentally, spiritually, or physically) in heaven above, or things which are in the earth beneath. (Mosiah 12)

38 For thus saith the Lord: Ye have sold yourselves for naught, and ye shall be redeemed without money.
39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that my people shall know my name (be His people); yea, in that day they shall know that I am he that doth speak. (3 Nephi 20)

Don’t allow your feet to go into an incorrect path. Don't allow your body to be unholy, and don't go into unholy temples.

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Your thoughts?

My thought is you are judging that all these temples are unholy without proof…

One could say being temple worthy is to be walking on the narrow path.

You have no justification that the temple is unworthy. You take 2 Thessalonians (written to Roman/Greeks) as meaning about the Ephraimites in modern day.

Did Paul prophecy about us? Ever?

We are damned (as a church, people) because we have broken the everlasting covenant, if you can tie that into your discussion intelligently then I’m all ears.

The house of Judah has been damned for a long time, he still lets them succeed, 1881, 1948.

People don’t understand how important 1881 was to the house of Judah.

If we believe Jesus died for our sins then we have to come to the conclusion that this whole world is about religion, The Word!

[Shawn Henry]

My thought is you are judging that all these temples are unholy without proof…

Here's some proof in this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=76049

The Lord clearly never commanded Soloman to build a temple.

[Shawn Henry]

Interestingly, this new holy replacement of the strait and narrow path was introduced by Elaine Dalton in 2007.

How do the Q15 crap-can the path of scripture in favor of a new term that didn't even come from them?

Elaine was more inspired than them, and they were more inspired than the BoM prophets, who someone were never in tune enough to recognize that there was a better path.

[Bronco73idi]

My thought is you are judging that all these temples are unholy without proof…

Here's some proof in this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=76049

The Lord clearly never commanded Soloman to build a temple.

? You mean he didn’t command David?

David felt the desire to build the temple but the Lord told him no, too much blood on his hands! Then told him that his son would do it…

1 Kings 8
17 And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the Lord God of Israel.
18 And the Lord said unto David my father, Whereas it was in thine heart to build an house unto my name, thou didst well that it was in thine heart.
19 Nevertheless thou shalt not build the house; but thy son that shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house unto my name.

Just the fact that you don’t care that Jesus went into the temple, let alone taught and cleansed the temple should tell you of what spirit you are serving.

I’m sorry brother but the path you are on doesn’t align with the Lord’s actions while he served his mission on this earth.

[Shawn Henry]

? You mean he didn’t command David?

David felt the desire to build the temple but the Lord told him no, too much blood on his hands! Then told him that his son would do it…

1 Kings 8
17 And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the Lord God of Israel.
18 And the Lord said unto David my father, Whereas it was in thine heart to build an house unto my name, thou didst well that it was in thine heart.
19 Nevertheless thou shalt not build the house; but thy son that shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house unto my name.

Just the fact that you don’t care that Jesus went into the temple, let alone taught and cleansed the temple should tell you of what spirit you are serving.

I’m sorry brother but the path you are on doesn’t align with the Lord’s actions while he served his mission on this earth.

You are omitting the facts. The Lord gave him the reason to not build a house, and it is not what you are saying. He said that he never wanted a house and that the tabernacle was always sufficient.

Nathan the prophet told relayed to him the words of the Lord that one of his posterity would build him a house, after he is dead. David was alive when Soloman built the temple.

This is speaking of Christ, as I read it anyway.

"....Furthermore I tell thee that the Lord will build thee an house.

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

Christ fulfilled this when he declared that his body was the temple. It is still appropriate for him to call their temple the house of the Lord because to them it was. He always showed the upmost respect to their cherished beliefs. I'm sure he would just as quickly cleanse a Buddhist temple, that's what loving fathers do.

[Bronco73idi]

? You mean he didn’t command David?

David felt the desire to build the temple but the Lord told him no, too much blood on his hands! Then told him that his son would do it…

1 Kings 8
17 And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the Lord God of Israel.
18 And the Lord said unto David my father, Whereas it was in thine heart to build an house unto my name, thou didst well that it was in thine heart.
19 Nevertheless thou shalt not build the house; but thy son that shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house unto my name.

Just the fact that you don’t care that Jesus went into the temple, let alone taught and cleansed the temple should tell you of what spirit you are serving.

I’m sorry brother but the path you are on doesn’t align with the Lord’s actions while he served his mission on this earth.

You are omitting the facts. The Lord gave him the reason to not build a house, and it is not what you are saying. He said that he never wanted a house and that the tabernacle was always sufficient.

Nathan the prophet told relayed to him the words of the Lord that one of his posterity would build him a house, after he is dead. David was alive when Soloman built the temple.

This is speaking of Christ, as I read it anyway.

"....Furthermore I tell thee that the Lord will build thee an house.

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

Christ fulfilled this when he declared that his body was the temple. It is still appropriate for him to call their temple the house of the Lord because to them it was. He always showed the upmost respect to their cherished beliefs. I'm sure he would just as quickly cleanse a Buddhist temple, that's what loving fathers do.

I’m twisting or omitting facts and you say this as truth?

“David was alive when Soloman built the temple.”

What spirit are you listening too?

[Shawn Henry]

“David was alive when Soloman built the temple.”

That's what my search came up with. Do you have more trusted internet sources? If so, I'll use them.

Obviously, I have no idea because I wasn't alive back then. All I can do is look up what others claim?

Do you question this just to be contrary or have you searched it out yourself?

[Bronco73idi]

“David was alive when Soloman built the temple.”

That's what my search came up with. Do you have more trusted internet sources? If so, I'll use them.

Obviously, I have no idea because I wasn't alive back then. All I can do is look up what others claim?

Do you question this just to be contrary or have you searched it out yourself?

1 Kings‬ 2

10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
11 And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.
12 Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.


1 Kings‬ 6
1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

David did start gathering supplies, but he did not even get to lay a cornerstone.

Whoever agreed with you cares more about the emotional feeling of religion more than truth. The Holy Ghost is truth!

[Shawn Henry]

1 Kings‬ 2

10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
11 And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.
12 Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.


1 Kings‬ 6
1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

David did start gathering supplies, but he did not even get to lay a cornerstone.

Whoever agreed with you cares more about the emotional feeling of religion more than truth. The Holy Ghost is truth!

Thank you for taking the time to find those verses my friend. The second one confirms the timeline that I looked up on the internet. It said that Soloman built the temple in the fourth year of his reign, but then it said that David died in the 8 or 9th year of his reign. The first passage, I admit, could mean that David reigned until his death, but we know that many rulers step down before their deaths.

You have yet to address the main point though, that the Lord told David that he never wanted a temple.

[Bronco73idi]

1 Kings‬ 2

10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
11 And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.
12 Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.


1 Kings‬ 6
1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

David did start gathering supplies, but he did not even get to lay a cornerstone.

Whoever agreed with you cares more about the emotional feeling of religion more than truth. The Holy Ghost is truth!

Thank you for taking the time to find those verses my friend. The second one confirms the timeline that I looked up on the internet. It said that Soloman built the temple in the fourth year of his reign, but then it said that David died in the 8 or 9th year of his reign. The first passage, I admit, could mean that David reigned until his death, but we know that many rulers step down before their deaths.

You have yet to address the main point though, that the Lord told David that he never wanted a temple.

Isn’t the word supposed to be placed in each and everyone of his saints?

As soon as I read your statement, that the first temple was built before David’s death, the small still voice, the word, said no. You then ask for a source, that is when I found the source.

I have no personal battle in this or anything in this forum. The Holy Ghost is my only guide. This is why I keep asking about “what spirit”. If it’s true, it will interconnect with the Lord’s actions and words on a lot of other things, not just one or two random quotes or sayings.

For an example;
To say the first temple is not of God, that means the book of Isaiah is not of God because chapter 6 happened in that temple. Then that means Jesus is not of God because he talks about the prophecies of Isaiah being fulfilled in him!

How about the Lord’s actions dealing with the second temple?

Matthew 21
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Luke 19
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

This route you are on is a slippery slope.

Where do you stop the Justification?

Yes we should treat our bodies as a temple, a house of prayer.

That doesn’t mean we can’t build a temple, a house of prayer.

The Lord sent angels to Abram to be witnesses for the marriage Abraham and Sarah made with the bridegroom. We are instructed and authorized through the priesthood to do the same in the temple. Instead of angels we have other everlasting covenanted members as witnesses.

The fact that The Lord’s story of Lazarus going to his father’s Abraham bosom should show you how important this everlasting covenant is.

That is what The Word told me…

I wish you luck brother.

[Shawn Henry]

Isn’t the word supposed to be placed in each and everyone of his saints?

As soon as I read your statement, that the first temple was built before David’s death, the small still voice, the word, said no. You then ask for a source, that is when I found the source.

I have no personal battle in this or anything in this forum. The Holy Ghost is my only guide. This is why I keep asking about “what spirit”. If it’s true, it will interconnect with the Lord’s actions and words on a lot of other things, not just one or two random quotes or sayings.

For an example;
To say the first temple is not of God, that means the book of Isaiah is not of God because chapter 6 happened in that temple. Then that means Jesus is not of God because he talks about the prophecies of Isaiah being fulfilled in him!

How about the Lord’s actions dealing with the second temple?

Matthew 21
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Luke 19
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

This route you are on is a slippery slope.

Where do you stop the Justification?

Yes we should treat our bodies as a temple, a house of prayer.

That doesn’t mean we can’t build a temple, a house of prayer.

You will always hear a voice telling you no when someone counters what you have believed, whether the still small voice or you own voice, simply because the spirit can't tell you otherwise unless the searching out of the answer comes from you.

If one never gives an idea its due diligence the holy spirit can't say jack, because he didn't do his part. The holy spirit is bound by agency until we open our mind.

1. Isaiah 6 is symbolic and it rightfully matches the audience. In Isaiah's time the House of Israel had already disregarded the Lord's word to Nathan that he never wanted a temple.
2. The Lord taking ownership of the temple by calling it "My house" is also appropriate because all of Israel, whether rightfully or wrongfully, believed it to be his house and whether God commanded it or allowed men to have their way, it is still his only way to communicate to his people, because it is what they have chosen.

Why would you think for a minute that believing what God told Nathan to be a "slippery slope"?

Fact 1: The idea for a physical building originated with David (apostate David).
Fact 2: The Lord spoke through his prophet that he never wanted a physical building.
Fact 3: It is highly improbable the Lord would reveal to David that someone in the future would build a temple, yet he allegedly revealed the building plans to him.
Fact 4: The Lord confirms in the NT that his body is the temple that would be destroyed and raised up again.

It is hard to slip on a slope of facts!

[Bronco73idi]

Isn’t the word supposed to be placed in each and everyone of his saints?

As soon as I read your statement, that the first temple was built before David’s death, the small still voice, the word, said no. You then ask for a source, that is when I found the source.

I have no personal battle in this or anything in this forum. The Holy Ghost is my only guide. This is why I keep asking about “what spirit”. If it’s true, it will interconnect with the Lord’s actions and words on a lot of other things, not just one or two random quotes or sayings.

For an example;
To say the first temple is not of God, that means the book of Isaiah is not of God because chapter 6 happened in that temple. Then that means Jesus is not of God because he talks about the prophecies of Isaiah being fulfilled in him!

How about the Lord’s actions dealing with the second temple?

Matthew 21
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Luke 19
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

This route you are on is a slippery slope.

Where do you stop the Justification?

Yes we should treat our bodies as a temple, a house of prayer.

That doesn’t mean we can’t build a temple, a house of prayer.

You will always hear a voice telling you no when someone counters what you have believed, whether the still small voice or you own voice, simply because the spirit can't tell you otherwise unless the searching out of the answer comes from you.

If one never gives an idea its due diligence the holy spirit can't say jack, because he didn't do his part. The holy spirit is bound by agency until we open our mind.

1. Isaiah 6 is symbolic and it rightfully matches the audience. In Isaiah's time the House of Israel had already disregarded the Lord's word to Nathan that he never wanted a temple.
2. The Lord taking ownership of the temple by calling it "My house" is also appropriate because all of Israel, whether rightfully or wrongfully, believed it to be his house and whether God commanded it or allowed men to have their way, it is still his only way to communicate to his people, because it is what they have chosen.

Why would you think for a minute that believing what God told Nathan to be a "slippery slope"?

Fact 1: The idea for a physical building originated with David (apostate David).
Fact 2: The Lord spoke through his prophet that he never wanted a physical building.
Fact 3: It is highly improbable the Lord would reveal to David that someone in the future would build a temple, yet he allegedly revealed the building plans to him.
Fact 4: The Lord confirms in the NT that his body is the temple that would be destroyed and raised up again.

It is hard to slip on a slope of facts!

Like you said when you quoted Nathan’s words, how you read it.

Problem is his words were fulfilled, David days were expired and he went to be with his fathers.

Just the word fathers proves that the spirit I’m listening too is the Holy Ghost.

Have you ever heard it the way I have expounded it too you?

I have never read it like the Holy Ghost has told me…

[Shawn Henry]

Like you said when you quoted Nathan’s words, how you read it.

So, show me how my paraphrase of Nathan's words differs from yours.

Problem is his words were fulfilled, David days were expired and he went to be with his fathers.

That could indeed be a fulfillment, but so could the Savior be the fulfillment.

Ask yourself this though. Why the distant future language and not immediate future language?

"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,"

That's weird language to use if he meant his son that would be born in just a few years. It seems more in the future to me.

Just the word fathers proves that the spirit I’m listening too is the Holy Ghost.

This makes no sense to me. The word "fathers" means you are listening to the spirit?

Have you ever heard it the way I have expounded it too you?

Of course, that is the tradition we all grew up with.

[Bronco73idi]

Like you said when you quoted Nathan’s words, how you read it.

So, show me how my paraphrase of Nathan's words differs from yours.

Problem is his words were fulfilled, David days were expired and he went to be with his fathers.

That could indeed be a fulfillment, but so could the Savior be the fulfillment.

Ask yourself this though. Why the distant future language and not immediate future language?

"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,"

That's weird language to use if he meant his son that would be born in just a few years. It seems more in the future to me.

Just the word fathers proves that the spirit I’m listening too is the Holy Ghost.

This makes no sense to me. The word "fathers" means you are listening to the spirit?

Have you ever heard it the way I have expounded it too you?

Of course, that is the tradition we all grew up with.

7 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, even from following the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people Israel:

8 And I have been with thee whithersoever thou hast walked, and have cut off all thine enemies from before thee, and have made thee a name like the name of the great men that are in the earth.

9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,

10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the Lord will build thee an house.

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

I do not understand how you justify that the Lord told Nathan to tell David that the lord will expire and go be with “thy fathers” when he only has one father!

I was never taught about the everlasting covenant from anyone on earth. I learned prayer and reading

[Shawn Henry]

Like you said when you quoted Nathan’s words, how you read it.

So, show me how my paraphrase of Nathan's words differs from yours.

Problem is his words were fulfilled, David days were expired and he went to be with his fathers.

That could indeed be a fulfillment, but so could the Savior be the fulfillment.

Ask yourself this though. Why the distant future language and not immediate future language?

"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,"

That's weird language to use if he meant his son that would be born in just a few years. It seems more in the future to me.

Just the word fathers proves that the spirit I’m listening too is the Holy Ghost.

This makes no sense to me. The word "fathers" means you are listening to the spirit?

Have you ever heard it the way I have expounded it too you?

Of course, that is the tradition we all grew up with.

7 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, even from following the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people Israel:

8 And I have been with thee whithersoever thou hast walked, and have cut off all thine enemies from before thee, and have made thee a name like the name of the great men that are in the earth.

9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,

10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the Lord will build thee an house.

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

I do not understand how you justify that the Lord told Nathan to tell David that the lord will expire and go be with “thy fathers” when he only has one father!

I was never taught about the everlasting covenant from anyone on earth. I learned prayer and reading

When David is told he will go be with his fathers, it is referring to his forefathers. He will be with them in death.

The Lord tells him "I will raise up thy seed after thee," Which means it can't be one of his immediate sons because they are all raised up by David while David is alive. Soloman is disqualified.

[Bronco73idi]

So, show me how my paraphrase of Nathan's words differs from yours.

That could indeed be a fulfillment, but so could the Savior be the fulfillment.

Ask yourself this though. Why the distant future language and not immediate future language?

"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,"

That's weird language to use if he meant his son that would be born in just a few years. It seems more in the future to me.

This makes no sense to me. The word "fathers" means you are listening to the spirit?

Of course, that is the tradition we all grew up with.

7 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, even from following the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people Israel:

8 And I have been with thee whithersoever thou hast walked, and have cut off all thine enemies from before thee, and have made thee a name like the name of the great men that are in the earth.

9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,

10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the Lord will build thee an house.

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

I do not understand how you justify that the Lord told Nathan to tell David that the lord will expire and go be with “thy fathers” when he only has one father!

I was never taught about the everlasting covenant from anyone on earth. I learned prayer and reading

When David is told he will go be with his fathers, it is referring to his forefathers. He will be with them in death.

The Lord tells him "I will raise up thy seed after thee," Which means it can't be one of his immediate sons because they are all raised up by David while David is alive. Soloman is disqualified.

David was raised up by the Lord! Anyone the lord chooses can be raised up by him!

To get as technical as you are trying to get in the wording of the Bible you would have to break this down in preBabylonian Hebrew! Ie the language that is closest to the language that Nathan would have written in.

You talk like you are a Davidic servant, are you?

Why do people who think they are special, not talk about the thing this dispensation is damn for per Isaiah?

The lord didn’t talk about it directly in the gospel that we have. His words are puzzles to the ones who don’t understand the basis of the Abrahamic religion, the everlasting covenant.

The Jewish and Levites of the Lord’s time understood the everlasting covenant.

[I Dont Know...]

There is only one true path. It is the path the Savior walked and caused to be revealed that He would walk. Lehi found it, and also Nephi subsequently as well.

41) O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him.... (2 Nephi 9)

9) And again, it showeth unto the children of men the straitness of the path, and the narrowness of the gate, by which they should enter, he having set the example before them. (2 Nephi 31)

9) I also have charity for the Gentiles. But behold, for none of these can I hope except they shall be reconciled unto Christ, and enter into the narrow gate, and walk in the strait path which leads to life, and continue in the path until the end of the day of probation. (2 Nephi 33)

19)For I perceive that ye are in the paths of righteousness; I perceive that ye are in the path which leads to the kingdom of God; yea, I perceive that ye are making his paths straight.
20)I perceive that it has been made known unto you, by the testimony of his word, that he cannot walk in crooked paths; neither doth he vary from that which he hath said; neither hath he a shadow of turning from the right to the left, or from that which is right to that which is wrong; therefore, his course is one eternal round.
21)And he doth not dwell in unholy temples; neither can filthiness or anything which is unclean be received into the kingdom of God; therefore I say unto you the time shall come, yea, and it shall be at the last day, that he who is filthy shall remain in his filthiness. (Alma 7)

Even the twelve disciples were admonished to endure to the end after Christ appeared and ordained them.

33)And it came to pass that when Jesus had ended these sayings he said unto his disciples: Enter ye in at the strait gate; for strait is the gate, and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few (few means few) there be that find it; but wide is the gate, and broad the way which leads to death, and many there be that travel therein, until the night cometh, wherein no man can work. (3 Nephi 27)

The "covenant path" is a deception to lead into captivity via unauthorized "priesthood" ordinances, masonic signs, tokens and covenants with the devil who pretends to be god in a temple purportedly of God.

3)Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ("I am the god of this world")
4)Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2)

ANY variation from the ONLY TRUE GOD, JESUS CHRIST, is idolatry. Don’t let Smith or any man deceive you. Be on the correct path following Christ by learning and walking the path He walked. By doing so you will learn that as the Son, He leads us to believe He is also the VERY Eternal Father of heaven and earth. Thus becoming the Father and the Son: ONE ETERNAL GOD to those putting their faith in Him.

34)I am the Lord thy God, who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
35)Thou shalt have no other God before me.
36)Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing (mentally, spiritually, or physically) in heaven above, or things which are in the earth beneath. (Mosiah 12)

38 For thus saith the Lord: Ye have sold yourselves for naught, and ye shall be redeemed without money.
39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that my people shall know my name (be His people); yea, in that day they shall know that I am he that doth speak. (3 Nephi 20)

Don’t allow your feet to go into an incorrect path. Don't allow your body to be unholy, and don't go into unholy temples.

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Your thoughts?

Amen

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1 Kings‬ 2

10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
11 And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.
12 Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.


1 Kings‬ 6
1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

David did start gathering supplies, but he did not even get to lay a cornerstone.

Whoever agreed with you cares more about the emotional feeling of religion more than truth. The Holy Ghost is truth!

Thank you for taking the time to find those verses my friend. The second one confirms the timeline that I looked up on the internet. It said that Soloman built the temple in the fourth year of his reign, but then it said that David died in the 8 or 9th year of his reign. The first passage, I admit, could mean that David reigned until his death, but we know that many rulers step down before their deaths.

You have yet to address the main point though, that the Lord told David that he never wanted a temple.

.mate, that's some spirit this dude carries?...

...he claims to hear this still small voice, but cannot identify the same in anyone else...

...that's some selective spirit...

[Bronco73idi]

1 Kings‬ 2

10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
11 And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.
12 Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.


1 Kings‬ 6
1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

David did start gathering supplies, but he did not even get to lay a cornerstone.

Whoever agreed with you cares more about the emotional feeling of religion more than truth. The Holy Ghost is truth!

Thank you for taking the time to find those verses my friend. The second one confirms the timeline that I looked up on the internet. It said that Soloman built the temple in the fourth year of his reign, but then it said that David died in the 8 or 9th year of his reign. The first passage, I admit, could mean that David reigned until his death, but we know that many rulers step down before their deaths.

You have yet to address the main point though, that the Lord told David that he never wanted a temple.

.mate, that's some spirit this dude carries?...

...he claims to hear this still small voice, but cannot identify the same in anyone else...

...that's some selective spirit...

I had a mission president visit our ward to give a talk, it was a good talk. My oldest son was about 15 years old, we were out in the foyer and the mission president made it a point to shake the young men and women hands. I was surprised when he came to us the spirit was strong. He looked at my son while shaking his hand and said “you get it!” My son was clueless, he repeated “you get it?” and nothing from my 15 year old.

The mission president, confused because the spirit was strong but he failed at identifying why then looked at me to shake my hand, he said “oh”

I can identify who has the spirit brother.

[larsenb]

Whatever fault you have with temples (e.g., payment of tithing to enter into them), I think trivializing them is a slippery slope. Temples were very much a part of Jewish/Israelitish liturgy and practice. They were recognized by Jesus. They were very important to peoples of the Book of Mormon. To my understanding JS had a direct hand in formulating the endowment, etc.

I also think LDS temple essentially democratizes the High Priest function of going behind the veil to meet God face-to-face on Yom Kippur. Everybody can have this experience, now. The endowment reifies actually meeting and being accepted of God. Very powerful experience, from my experiences and belief. They are a logical extension of the Jewish temple sans animal sacrifice. The sacrifice now devolves on the individual to offer up and sacrifice his all, including his will, to Christ; exemplifying and emulating in a small way the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus

I see them as a major part of the "fullness of the Gospel". Rejecting them and any priesthood governing authority simply allows you to fall back on standard Christianity and the smorgasbord that represents. I think this ultimately represents the 'Ephraimites'/gentiles rejecting this fullness, for those who follow this path.

Note: Spelling correction on one word.

[I Dont Know...]

Thank you for taking the time to find those verses my friend. The second one confirms the timeline that I looked up on the internet. It said that Soloman built the temple in the fourth year of his reign, but then it said that David died in the 8 or 9th year of his reign. The first passage, I admit, could mean that David reigned until his death, but we know that many rulers step down before their deaths.

You have yet to address the main point though, that the Lord told David that he never wanted a temple.

.mate, that's some spirit this dude carries?...

...he claims to hear this still small voice, but cannot identify the same in anyone else...

...that's some selective spirit...

I had a mission president visit our ward to give a talk, it was a good talk. My oldest son was about 15 years old, we were out in the foyer and the mission president made it a point to shake the young men and women hands. I was surprised when he came to us the spirit was strong. He looked at my son while shaking his hand and said “you get it!” My son was clueless, he repeated “you get it?” and nothing from my 15 year old.

The mission president, confused because the spirit was strong but he failed at identifying why then looked at me to shake my hand, he said “oh”

I can identify who has the spirit brother.

...we will see...

[I Dont Know...]

Thank you for taking the time to find those verses my friend. The second one confirms the timeline that I looked up on the internet. It said that Soloman built the temple in the fourth year of his reign, but then it said that David died in the 8 or 9th year of his reign. The first passage, I admit, could mean that David reigned until his death, but we know that many rulers step down before their deaths.

You have yet to address the main point though, that the Lord told David that he never wanted a temple.

.mate, that's some spirit this dude carries?...

...he claims to hear this still small voice, but cannot identify the same in anyone else...

...that's some selective spirit...

I had a mission president visit our ward to give a talk, it was a good talk. My oldest son was about 15 years old, we were out in the foyer and the mission president made it a point to shake the young men and women hands. I was surprised when he came to us the spirit was strong. He looked at my son while shaking his hand and said “you get it!” My son was clueless, he repeated “you get it?” and nothing from my 15 year old.

The mission president, confused because the spirit was strong but he failed at identifying why then looked at me to shake my hand, he said “oh”

I can identify who has the spirit brother.

...the spirit you speak of, is most certainly strong in you...but it is not holy...

...therefore, from whom is it?...

[Bronco73idi]

.mate, that's some spirit this dude carries?...

...he claims to hear this still small voice, but cannot identify the same in anyone else...

...that's some selective spirit...

I had a mission president visit our ward to give a talk, it was a good talk. My oldest son was about 15 years old, we were out in the foyer and the mission president made it a point to shake the young men and women hands. I was surprised when he came to us the spirit was strong. He looked at my son while shaking his hand and said “you get it!” My son was clueless, he repeated “you get it?” and nothing from my 15 year old.

The mission president, confused because the spirit was strong but he failed at identifying why then looked at me to shake my hand, he said “oh”

I can identify who has the spirit brother.

...the spirit you speak of, is most certainly strong in you...but it is not holy...

...therefore, from whom is it?...

Do you understand the conversation that you are replying to?

Do you believe like Shawn Henry that the Lord did not want Solomon’s temple built?

[I Dont Know...]

I had a mission president visit our ward to give a talk, it was a good talk. My oldest son was about 15 years old, we were out in the foyer and the mission president made it a point to shake the young men and women hands. I was surprised when he came to us the spirit was strong. He looked at my son while shaking his hand and said “you get it!” My son was clueless, he repeated “you get it?” and nothing from my 15 year old.

The mission president, confused because the spirit was strong but he failed at identifying why then looked at me to shake my hand, he said “oh”

I can identify who has the spirit brother.

...the spirit you speak of, is most certainly strong in you...but it is not holy...

...therefore, from whom is it?...

Do you understand the conversation that you are replying to?

Do you believe like Shawn Henry that the Lord did not want Solomon’s temple built?

...tell me brother.. in all your offerings...who have you lifted up?...

...by their fruits shall ye know them...

...there is one you have lifted up...

...Bronco73idi...

...pride and deceipt are not healthy bedfellows...