Jeff Lindsay's Articles on Secret Combinations -Meridian Magazine

[larsenb]

The Church doesn't do X. It's the members to include leaders who do X. If the leaders or members do an X which is a rejection of or contradicts core teachings, then they are in apostasy . . . not the 'Church', per se. And the 'apostasy' has to do with the particular rejection or contradiction they engage in; it may not be across the board.

I will be honest with you. It is impossible to have a conversation with you about anything related to this subject.

If we say the 'church', then you correctly say the church is composed of people and can't act a certain way.
If we say the 'members', then you correctly say the members are not a reflection of the church and are strictly individuals.

I feel like if I want to have a conversation with you about this then I need to start adopting legalistic answers where everything is qualified to the nth degree. I frankly am not willing to do that.

You are correct that in many of my statements I have used general language. However, this was used because it generally is accepted vernacular to simplify the conversation.

For instance, it is raining where I live. However, technically it is not raining. There is a cloud above my house which is dropping moisture. However, this is also technically not correct. There is a cloud that is not above my house which is dropping moisture and the air patterns are moving the moisture to drop above my house. However, this is also technically not correct. There are many clouds in my area that are dropping moisture that is accumulating into rain drops that is being moved by air patterns to fall onto my house.

However, this is also technically not correct ...

Sorry, but I've never said the "members are not a reflection of the church". If a portion of the church members reject the gospel's core teachings, this pertains to that portion, not the church as a whole.

I see people get wrapped around their sweeping, black-and-white generalizations all the time, and see the confusion this causes, one of which is to have a tendency to accept any other negative idea they may run into on the same topic. A prime example of this is where Reluctant Watchman (and many others) accepted the idea that BY, WR and JT had a direct hand in planning and murdering the Smith brothers.

My choice is to be aware of the bad attitudes and practices that take place within the Church, but to mainly focus on the incredible good I am aware of performed by most Church members.

Using the weather as an analogy is innocuous. It gets more serious when you start talking about a subject such as the apostasy of the entire Church. Just my point of view. Your choice to not sympathize with what I've been trying to convey..

[Telavian]

Your choice to not sympathize with what I've been trying to convey..

I actually agree with you in general. Human language is inherently flawed. I actually wish there was a better way to communicate.

[larsenb]

Your choice to not sympathize with what I've been trying to convey..

I actually agree with you in general. Human language is inherently flawed. I actually wish there was a better way to communicate.

Extracting correct meaning out of the written, or spoken word, can be a difficult task, no doubt about it.

[InfoWarrior82]

But remember, Moroni is addressing the gentiles, not the Church, per se. So, the commandment is directed to the gentiles in general, to include the Church, of course. Moroni was shown our day (that of the gentiles). The Church, in and of itself, could do diddly squat to prevent the Gadiantons from getting above us.

In my view, we are in the middle of the big gentile push to not let the secret combinations get above us. I’ve never seen such a world-wide awareness and awakening to such things come into being, occasioned largely by what was done to put the COVID control mechanisms in place and then the killer clot shots.

I’ve never seen the lines drawn so clearly between the wicked and those trying to align with righteousness. Quite amazing, actually . . . and foreboding, because it presages the big events of the last days . . . in my view.

Except the leaders of our church are joined in building up the secret combinations.

I would say they've been entrained by some of the agendas promoted by the secret combinations, not that they are blanket building up the combinations. In fact, i wonder how many of the Q15 would fully support these tendencies, if polled individually.

How can you say this when you already know that our leaders have officially (and unanimously) joined Agenda 2030?

[larsenb]

Except the leaders of our church are joined in building up the secret combinations.

I would say they've been entrained by some of the agendas promoted by the secret combinations, not that they are blanket building up the combinations. In fact, i wonder how many of the Q15 would fully support these tendencies, if polled individually.

How can you say this when you already know that our leaders have officially (and unanimously) joined Agenda 2030?

As I recall, there was a talk from one of leaders supporting Agenda 2030, but I'm not aware that the "our leaders have officially (and unanimously joined Agenda 2030". Please point me to where and how this was established. I'll add it it my notes.

I'm also aware that the "Church of Latter Day Saints/LDS" is listed in Appendix IV: "Members of the Faith Advisory Council of the UN Interagency task Force on Religion, in the 2018 annual report of the UN Interagency Task Force on Engaging Faith-Based Actors for Sustainable Development, but I have no details on how they got on this list. I.e., who was the agent from the church that implemented it, who in the church hierarchy approved of this move, etc., etc. Has anyone in the Church actually stepped up and participated in any of the meetings of this organization?

We simply don't have much detail on this alleged involvement. The Report even got the name of the Church wrong. What is with that? Especially in view of RMN emphasizing the correct name of the Church incorporating the name, Jesus Christ.

I admit, this looks bad, but again, not enough information on it for me to make or agree with the assertion you have made.

[InfoWarrior82]

I would say they've been entrained by some of the agendas promoted by the secret combinations, not that they are blanket building up the combinations. In fact, i wonder how many of the Q15 would fully support these tendencies, if polled individually.

How can you say this when you already know that our leaders have officially (and unanimously) joined Agenda 2030?

As I recall, there was a talk from one of leaders supporting Agenda 2030, but I'm not aware that the "our leaders have officially (and unanimously joined Agenda 2030". Please point me to where and how this was established. I'll add it it my notes.

I'm also aware that the "Church of Latter Day Saints/LDS" is listed in Appendix IV: "Members of the Faith Advisory Council of the UN Interagency task Force on Religion, in the 2018 annual report of the UN Interagency Task Force on Engaging Faith-Based Actors for Sustainable Development, but I have no details on how they got on this list. I.e., who was the agent from the church that implemented it, who in the church hierarchy approved of this move, etc., etc. Has anyone in the Church actually stepped up and participated in any of the meetings of this organization?

We simply don't have much detail on this alleged involvement. The Report even got the name of the Church wrong. What is with that? Especially in view of RMN emphasizing the correct name of the Church incorporating the name, Jesus Christ.

I admit, this looks bad, but again, not enough information on it for me to make or agree with the assertion you have made.

Yes, this is what I am referring to. The name of our church is listed as a participating member of their organization to implement satanic Agenda 2030.

You think it got put on there by mistake? (lol)

Just because we don't have a name of the person who approved this, doesn't mean we can just dismiss it. You and I both know that all things the church does in its official capacity must be voted on among the Q15, and if there is no unanimous decision, it doesn't happen.


Here's another piece of evidence that, yes, indeed it was NOT put on there by mistake:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... n?lang=eng

QUESTION 3: Can you identify three main challenges to women’s full engagement in furthering the Agenda 2030 focusing on SDG 5 (gender equality), SDG 10 (reduced inequalities), and SDG 16 (peace, justice, and strong institutions)? What are the possible ways forward to overcome these challenges?

Sister Eubank: The challenge I choose to highlight is the assumption in policy circles that religion has nothing helpful to say about women because it is traditional, patriarchal, and the source of conflict. That is not only untrue, but it ignores the importance of religious faith to women themselves, 80 percent of whom identify with a religion and look to it for guidance. At the same time, religions can be actually held up in patriarchal constructs and practices.

Part of the look forward is in recognizing the importance of mobilizing women of faith to work on Sustainable Development Goals (SDG) issues and to acknowledge their faith not as a barrier but the key to progress and success. The 2030 agenda won’t happen without religion, and religion won’t happen without women. They are the movers.

The work would not be nearly where it is today without three women, and I want to pay tribute to them: Dr. Katherine Marshall, executive director of World Faiths’ Development Dialogue (and I recommend her book Women, Religion, and Peacebuilding); Dr. Azza Karam, who chairs the UN Interagency taskforce on Religion and Development; and Jean Duff, a founder of the Partnership for Faith and Development. These fearless women have worked tirelessly for decades to ensure the faith voices of women are included at every level of development and that faiths open themselves to healthy and transformative practices that benefit women and their families.

The SDG goals on gender equality, peace, and justice are tackling how to change culture and behavior. Faith has a power greater than almost anything else to motivate people to act, to change minds, to alter behavior.

One example is the success in Uganda with HIV/AIDS prevention. Uganda was part of the early epicenter of HIV/AIDS. Many governments in the region tackled it, but Ugandan religious leaders united with government to mitigate the stigma and discrimination surrounding HIV/AIDS. The group found a slogan all could support: ABC: Abstain, Be Faithful, use Condoms. Nearly all major religious institutions—Christian and Islamic—actively engaged. HIV/AIDS moved from curse/sin to a problem without borders.

Someone once asked me: “What is it like to serve in a humanitarian arena when religion is a factor?” Truthfully, religion is always a factor. Atheism and secularism are just as much a system of belief as any religion.

The way forward is to do just what this forum has as its goal. Invite and respect as many faith actors as possible, build understanding among them, and integrate them into every aspect of the 2030 SDG agenda. It will lead to the greatest success possible for equity, justice, and peace.

Brother Larsen, wake up to a sense of your awful situation!


The second coming has a surprise twist ending! It's not going to look the way you imagined it as a Sunbeam. There's a reason Jesus Christ placed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints under condemnation in D&C 84.

[larsenb]

How can you say this when you already know that our leaders have officially (and unanimously) joined Agenda 2030?

As I recall, there was a talk from one of leaders supporting Agenda 2030, but I'm not aware that the "our leaders have officially (and unanimously joined Agenda 2030". Please point me to where and how this was established. I'll add it it my notes.

I'm also aware that the "Church of Latter Day Saints/LDS" is listed in Appendix IV: "Members of the Faith Advisory Council of the UN Interagency task Force on Religion, in the 2018 annual report of the UN Interagency Task Force on Engaging Faith-Based Actors for Sustainable Development, but I have no details on how they got on this list. I.e., who was the agent from the church that implemented it, who in the church hierarchy approved of this move, etc., etc. Has anyone in the Church actually stepped up and participated in any of the meetings of this organization?

We simply don't have much detail on this alleged involvement. The Report even got the name of the Church wrong. What is with that? Especially in view of RMN emphasizing the correct name of the Church incorporating the name, Jesus Christ.

I admit, this looks bad, but again, not enough information on it for me to make or agree with the assertion you have made.

Yes, this is what I am referring to. The name of our church is listed as a participating member of their organization to implement satanic Agenda 2030.

You think it got put on there by mistake? (lol)

Just because we don't have a name of the person who approved this, doesn't mean we can just dismiss it. You and I both know that all things the church does in its official capacity must be voted on among the Q15, and if there is no unanimous decision, it doesn't happen.


Here's another piece of evidence that, yes, indeed it was NOT put on there by mistake:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... n?lang=eng

QUESTION 3: Can you identify three main challenges to women’s full engagement in furthering the Agenda 2030 focusing on SDG 5 (gender equality), SDG 10 (reduced inequalities), and SDG 16 (peace, justice, and strong institutions)? What are the possible ways forward to overcome these challenges?

Sister Eubank: The challenge I choose to highlight is the assumption in policy circles that religion has nothing helpful to say about women because it is traditional, patriarchal, and the source of conflict. That is not only untrue, but it ignores the importance of religious faith to women themselves, 80 percent of whom identify with a religion and look to it for guidance. At the same time, religions can be actually held up in patriarchal constructs and practices.

Part of the look forward is in recognizing the importance of mobilizing women of faith to work on Sustainable Development Goals (SDG) issues and to acknowledge their faith not as a barrier but the key to progress and success. The 2030 agenda won’t happen without religion, and religion won’t happen without women. They are the movers.

The work would not be nearly where it is today without three women, and I want to pay tribute to them: Dr. Katherine Marshall, executive director of World Faiths’ Development Dialogue (and I recommend her book Women, Religion, and Peacebuilding); Dr. Azza Karam, who chairs the UN Interagency taskforce on Religion and Development; and Jean Duff, a founder of the Partnership for Faith and Development. These fearless women have worked tirelessly for decades to ensure the faith voices of women are included at every level of development and that faiths open themselves to healthy and transformative practices that benefit women and their families.

The SDG goals on gender equality, peace, and justice are tackling how to change culture and behavior. Faith has a power greater than almost anything else to motivate people to act, to change minds, to alter behavior.

One example is the success in Uganda with HIV/AIDS prevention. Uganda was part of the early epicenter of HIV/AIDS. Many governments in the region tackled it, but Ugandan religious leaders united with government to mitigate the stigma and discrimination surrounding HIV/AIDS. The group found a slogan all could support: ABC: Abstain, Be Faithful, use Condoms. Nearly all major religious institutions—Christian and Islamic—actively engaged. HIV/AIDS moved from curse/sin to a problem without borders.

Someone once asked me: “What is it like to serve in a humanitarian arena when religion is a factor?” Truthfully, religion is always a factor. Atheism and secularism are just as much a system of belief as any religion.

The way forward is to do just what this forum has as its goal. Invite and respect as many faith actors as possible, build understanding among them, and integrate them into every aspect of the 2030 SDG agenda. It will lead to the greatest success possible for equity, justice, and peace.

Brother Larsen, wake up to a sense of your awful situation!


The second coming has a surprise twist ending! It's not going to look the way you imagined it as a Sunbeam. There's a reason Jesus Christ placed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints under condemnation in D&C 84.

As per usual you misunderstand me. Are you saying I think the Church of LDS got on the list by mistake because the UN folk got the name wrong? Not I. What I don’t know are the circumstances behind how the semblance of the name of the Church got on their list or what role the Church has actually played in furthering the agenda of this organization. Neither do you.

The mere fact that they did get the name wrong, does make the circumstances look suspect. I already said it looks bad, if it was sanctioned by the First Presidency, etc. What more do you want?

And moi, being someone who hasn’t waked up to our awful situation? What a joke that is, if you really knew me.

And does it surprise me that Sister Eubanks (or is it Sister UNbanks?) has great sympathy for Agenda 2030’s Sustainable Development goals? Not a bit. I’ve been around long enough to not be too surprised at how people allow themselves to be caught up in this and that, especially when they sound like good things. We have been seeing a LOT of this among our leaders in recent years.

I just hope they course correct, but am not holding my breath. Meanwhile, regarding the Church and my participation in it, I’m rather focused on the good I see among the members and the ways it upholds the restoration and the Gospel of Christ. And I'm content to let the Lord deal with the problems of the Church. Not much I can do about it. He's the one that launched it via JS, et al.

[GeeR]

I’m rather focused on the good I see among the members and the ways it upholds the restoration and the Gospel of Christ. And I'm content to let the Lord deal with the problems of the Church. Not much I can do about it. He's the one that launched it via JS, et al.

Martin Luther did something about it in his day and what's that scripture in the D&C where it tell us (I paraphrase here) that the inhabitants/members of Zion are to expose the false prophets and apostles among us. The word of Marion G. Romney comes to mind also wherein he said: “It is not enough for us to be sincere in what we support. We must be right!” Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, October 1960.

[BroJones]

From foxnews today:
Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, has suggested that if Democrats sweep the 2024 elections, they will control the nation for a century.

He predicted that if Democrats win both chambers of Congress and the White House, they will eliminate the filibuster in the Senate, add justices to the U.S. Supreme Court, grant Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico statehood, and establish federal control over elections, redistricting, and campaigns.

"Day 1: Nuke the filibuster," Lee wrote on X.
"Day 2: Pack SCOTUS.
Day 3: Make DC & PR states.
Day 4: Enact federal takeover of elections/redistricting/campaigns.
Days 5 - 36,500: Rule America uncontested for 100 years."

[JohnnyL]

But what do you mean by "an organization in apostasy"? Far too nebulous and too much of an accusatory generalization. Your experience was with your immediate leaders who were, from what you said, treating you like garbage and not fulfilling their duties in a righteous manner.

Based on your other comments, yes the "church" is a collection of people with each at individual levels of apostasy. Some 0% and some 100%.

I would say the church as a whole is in apostasy, because we have generationally been led astray by well-intentioned men who advocated for their opinions. This is manifest in false doctrines, false reliance on the handbook, and false reliance on the church itself. In my experience, God is spoken about however is secondary to the church itself.

Again, yes everyone is at a different point. However, in general if people are more in the apostasy camp, then I think it is safe to say the church is in apostasy.

Again, far too much of a sweeping generality for me, where you say "the church as a whole is in apostasy, because we have generationally been led astray by well-intentioned men who have advocated their opinions".

Accepting a few erroneous opinions promulgated by leaders, is not going into apostasy, in my view. The members of the Church, by and large, follow Jesus Christ and accept His atonement, study and follow His teachings, and are focused on doing good and fulfilling their duties and obligations. They also, by and large, accept the revelations of Joseph Smith as presented in the D&C. This ain't apostasy, in my view.

And regardless of what your opinion of polygamy may currently be, we aren't practicing it any more. So for me, in order to understand what you mean by your assertion I quoted, you would have to be more specific. I do believe you are correct in your idea that we put our leaders and the 'Church' too much on an unassailable pedestal. This still isn't apostasy . . .. in my view.

For me, apostasy has to do with rejecting core beliefs . . . which I don't see happening at all.

I can think of very few opinions that weren't, IMO, right.

The great, great majority of even opinions, much more the revelations, have been correct/ good/ understandable.

[JohnnyL]

Except the leaders of our church are joined in building up the secret combinations.

I would say they've been entrained by some of the agendas promoted by the secret combinations, not that they are blanket building up the combinations. In fact, i wonder how many of the Q15 would fully support these tendencies, if polled individually.

How can you say this when you already know that our leaders have officially (and unanimously) joined Agenda 2030?

I don't know that. Do you?
They may agree with many principles of A2030, but that is not the same.
I believe in many principles of other churches, but I haven't "officially (and unanimously) joined" them.

[JohnnyL]

From foxnews today:
Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, has suggested that if Democrats sweep the 2024 elections, they will control the nation for a century.

He predicted that if Democrats win both chambers of Congress and the White House, they will eliminate the filibuster in the Senate, add justices to the U.S. Supreme Court, grant Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico statehood, and establish federal control over elections, redistricting, and campaigns.

"Day 1: Nuke the filibuster," Lee wrote on X.
"Day 2: Pack SCOTUS.
Day 3: Make DC & PR states.
Day 4: Enact federal takeover of elections/redistricting/campaigns.
Days 5 - 36,500: Rule America uncontested for 100 years."

Though I'll disagree on the 100 years. There's no way this country could last in any similar form to now or a in the constitution for more than 10 years under their "leadership".

[JohnnyL]

Very disappointed in the articles.

I have no interest to read more than the first half of the 2nd article.

Waaaay too much getting bogged down in tiny, irrelevant details.

I really wish Jeff Lindsay had gone about it in a different way.

[NeveR]

Most people in the USA, especially church members, just cannot comprehend secret combinations; they are not just naive, but innocent in many ways. It is an emotional and psychological blow to truly understand them and their works. It's even more powerful when the people they idolize and look to for guidance and protection are the very ones doing the opposite (trying telling a Democrat that Clinton was a member, or try telling a Republican that W was). Though Mormon talks about them (and his son Moroni does, too), he also says that he does not want to dwell on the horror of his life (war, bloodshed, iniquity, etc.)--which is what secret combinations are all about. Most people get to the murder mystery shows, and that is as far as they can go; many don't even go there.
It's understandable. These things are not "virtuous, lovely, or of good report"--and most of us have enough problems with not seeking those things out...

All (especially the highlighted part) very true. But what really astonishes me is that some smart people, who see through all this, STILL somehow believe TRUMP is an exception and the Gads' own system will save them.

How do you reach such people?

[RosyPosy]

@NeveR
Trump's campaign is back by Zionist lobbyists. So you are correct.

As for reaching them, I don't think you can. They have to come around that understanding on their own.

[JohnnyL]

Most people in the USA, especially church members, just cannot comprehend secret combinations; they are not just naive, but innocent in many ways. It is an emotional and psychological blow to truly understand them and their works. It's even more powerful when the people they idolize and look to for guidance and protection are the very ones doing the opposite (trying telling a Democrat that Clinton was a member, or try telling a Republican that W was). Though Mormon talks about them (and his son Moroni does, too), he also says that he does not want to dwell on the horror of his life (war, bloodshed, iniquity, etc.)--which is what secret combinations are all about. Most people get to the murder mystery shows, and that is as far as they can go; many don't even go there.
It's understandable. These things are not "virtuous, lovely, or of good report"--and most of us have enough problems with not seeking those things out...

All (especially the highlighted part) very true. But what really astonishes me is that some smart people, who see through all this, STILL somehow believe TRUMP is an exception and the Gads' own system will save them.

How do you reach such people?

I don't really think he is.
In the midst of GR control, two chief judges were still righteous (yeah, they were assassinated, but...).

However, I don't doubt that there are plenty of plans to derail and blame him for everything and anything that TPTB spring on him, putting the final nail in the coffin that anyone other than "their pick" can "do it".

[JohnnyL]

@NeveR
Trump's campaign is back by Zionist lobbyists. So you are correct.

As for reaching them, I don't think you can. They have to come around that understanding on their own.

If you want any hope of being president, you must bow before the 6-pointed star.

[InfoWarrior82]

As I recall, there was a talk from one of leaders supporting Agenda 2030, but I'm not aware that the "our leaders have officially (and unanimously joined Agenda 2030". Please point me to where and how this was established. I'll add it it my notes.

I'm also aware that the "Church of Latter Day Saints/LDS" is listed in Appendix IV: "Members of the Faith Advisory Council of the UN Interagency task Force on Religion, in the 2018 annual report of the UN Interagency Task Force on Engaging Faith-Based Actors for Sustainable Development, but I have no details on how they got on this list. I.e., who was the agent from the church that implemented it, who in the church hierarchy approved of this move, etc., etc. Has anyone in the Church actually stepped up and participated in any of the meetings of this organization?

We simply don't have much detail on this alleged involvement. The Report even got the name of the Church wrong. What is with that? Especially in view of RMN emphasizing the correct name of the Church incorporating the name, Jesus Christ.

I admit, this looks bad, but again, not enough information on it for me to make or agree with the assertion you have made.

Yes, this is what I am referring to. The name of our church is listed as a participating member of their organization to implement satanic Agenda 2030.

You think it got put on there by mistake? (lol)

Just because we don't have a name of the person who approved this, doesn't mean we can just dismiss it. You and I both know that all things the church does in its official capacity must be voted on among the Q15, and if there is no unanimous decision, it doesn't happen.


Here's another piece of evidence that, yes, indeed it was NOT put on there by mistake:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... n?lang=eng

QUESTION 3: Can you identify three main challenges to women’s full engagement in furthering the Agenda 2030 focusing on SDG 5 (gender equality), SDG 10 (reduced inequalities), and SDG 16 (peace, justice, and strong institutions)? What are the possible ways forward to overcome these challenges?

Sister Eubank: The challenge I choose to highlight is the assumption in policy circles that religion has nothing helpful to say about women because it is traditional, patriarchal, and the source of conflict. That is not only untrue, but it ignores the importance of religious faith to women themselves, 80 percent of whom identify with a religion and look to it for guidance. At the same time, religions can be actually held up in patriarchal constructs and practices.

Part of the look forward is in recognizing the importance of mobilizing women of faith to work on Sustainable Development Goals (SDG) issues and to acknowledge their faith not as a barrier but the key to progress and success. The 2030 agenda won’t happen without religion, and religion won’t happen without women. They are the movers.

The work would not be nearly where it is today without three women, and I want to pay tribute to them: Dr. Katherine Marshall, executive director of World Faiths’ Development Dialogue (and I recommend her book Women, Religion, and Peacebuilding); Dr. Azza Karam, who chairs the UN Interagency taskforce on Religion and Development; and Jean Duff, a founder of the Partnership for Faith and Development. These fearless women have worked tirelessly for decades to ensure the faith voices of women are included at every level of development and that faiths open themselves to healthy and transformative practices that benefit women and their families.

The SDG goals on gender equality, peace, and justice are tackling how to change culture and behavior. Faith has a power greater than almost anything else to motivate people to act, to change minds, to alter behavior.

One example is the success in Uganda with HIV/AIDS prevention. Uganda was part of the early epicenter of HIV/AIDS. Many governments in the region tackled it, but Ugandan religious leaders united with government to mitigate the stigma and discrimination surrounding HIV/AIDS. The group found a slogan all could support: ABC: Abstain, Be Faithful, use Condoms. Nearly all major religious institutions—Christian and Islamic—actively engaged. HIV/AIDS moved from curse/sin to a problem without borders.

Someone once asked me: “What is it like to serve in a humanitarian arena when religion is a factor?” Truthfully, religion is always a factor. Atheism and secularism are just as much a system of belief as any religion.

The way forward is to do just what this forum has as its goal. Invite and respect as many faith actors as possible, build understanding among them, and integrate them into every aspect of the 2030 SDG agenda. It will lead to the greatest success possible for equity, justice, and peace.

Brother Larsen, wake up to a sense of your awful situation!


The second coming has a surprise twist ending! It's not going to look the way you imagined it as a Sunbeam. There's a reason Jesus Christ placed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints under condemnation in D&C 84.

As per usual you misunderstand me. Are you saying I think the Church of LDS got on the list by mistake because the UN folk got the name wrong? Not I. What I don’t know are the circumstances behind how the semblance of the name of the Church got on their list or what role the Church has actually played in furthering the agenda of this organization. Neither do you.

The mere fact that they did get the name wrong, does make the circumstances look suspect. I already said it looks bad, if it was sanctioned by the First Presidency, etc. What more do you want?

And moi, being someone who hasn’t waked up to our awful situation? What a joke that is, if you really knew me.

And does it surprise me that Sister Eubanks (or is it Sister UNbanks?) has great sympathy for Agenda 2030’s Sustainable Development goals? Not a bit. I’ve been around long enough to not be too surprised at how people allow themselves to be caught up in this and that, especially when they sound like good things. We have been seeing a LOT of this among our leaders in recent years.

I just hope they course correct, but am not holding my breath. Meanwhile, regarding the Church and my participation in it, I’m rather focused on the good I see among the members and the ways it upholds the restoration and the Gospel of Christ. And I'm content to let the Lord deal with the problems of the Church. Not much I can do about it. He's the one that launched it via JS, et al.

It's not difficult to understand at all.

Honestly, it doesn't matter how the name of our church got on that list. What matters is that it is.


It's not a mystery that the name "Church of Latter-Day Saints" is what shows instead of bearing the name of Jesus Christ.

Are you really sitting there scratching your head as to why this is? Really? Hint: It's because the organization we have united with is satan's church. Do you, for one second, believe that satan would be okay with allowing Jesus Christ's name anywhere near their organization? There is power in the name of Jesus. It would be like Superman wearing a kryptonite necklace.


NOooooo Braaaiiinnerrrrr.


Are you really that naive that you are unable to connect the dots here? There's a reason why President Nelson's second favorite phrase is "Good Global Citizen" (covenant path being #1). Oh, and... it just so happens that "Good Global Citizen" comes from satan's church? Weird, huh?!


Only to you it's a weird coincidence. Again, awaken to a sense of your awful situation. Our church was placed under condemnation by Jesus Christ in D&C 84 because we failed to take the commandments in the Book of Mormon seriously. And now the LDS church will pay the price.

[RosyPosy]

@NeveR
Trump's campaign is back by Zionist lobbyists. So you are correct.

As for reaching them, I don't think you can. They have to come around that understanding on their own.

If you want any hope of being president, you must bow before the 6-pointed star.

I'm not going to loop Jews in with that. I just don't want foreign entities influencing U.S. legislation.

[larsenb]

I’m rather focused on the good I see among the members and the ways it upholds the restoration and the Gospel of Christ. And I'm content to let the Lord deal with the problems of the Church. Not much I can do about it. He's the one that launched it via JS, et al.

Martin Luther did something about it in his day and what's that scripture in the D&C where it tell us (I paraphrase here) that the inhabitants/members of Zion are to expose the false prophets and apostles among us. The word of Marion G. Romney comes to mind also wherein he said: “It is not enough for us to be sincere in what we support. We must be right!” Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, October 1960.

One can expose what they see as wrong until the cows come home. But if that is their prime focus, that is their prime focus. And this focus may cause them to reject the whole shebang . . . . which just might be a big mistake. I'm of the current opinion, that what we are experiencing with this subject may be the 'TEST' described by Heber C. Kimball.

Yesterday, during FATM, once again, I was highly impressed with the faith and testimonies of many of my Ward members. I only wish I could display half of the faith and earnest testimony they do.

[larsenb]

I’m rather focused on the good I see among the members and the ways it upholds the restoration and the Gospel of Christ. And I'm content to let the Lord deal with the problems of the Church. Not much I can do about it. He's the one that launched it via JS, et al.

Martin Luther did something about it in his day and what's that scripture in the D&C where it tell us (I paraphrase here) that the inhabitants/members of Zion are to expose the false prophets and apostles among us. The word of Marion G. Romney comes to mind also wherein he said: “It is not enough for us to be sincere in what we support. We must be right!” Marion G. Romney, Conference Report, October 1960.

Another comment on your post. Marion Romney's quote is nice, but entirely self-evident.

Also, Martin Luther was going up against bad practices in the Roman Catholic Church, a church that over the years, relegated to itself the idea that it's bishop was the supreme bishop over all of Christianity. A claim disputed by the major bishops of other regions. And part of their reasoning was that the Church was founded on Peter the rock, who was martyred in Rome. However, no evidence exists that Peter was ever a Bishop in Rome, and the strong evidence is that they misinterpreted this particular passage about Peter.

I.e., with Luther, he was going up against a Church with exceedingly presumptive authority. Oppose that to the strong evidence that the Lord had a direct hand in establishing the LDS church via the hand of Joseph Smith. For myself, I believe this to be the case. Therefore, I'm content to leave its governance and any needed correction to how it or its leaders are operating, to the Lord, Who originated it in the first place.

But it will be interesting to see if you or any others here will step up to the plate and hammer your critical accusations onto the door of the SL Temple or Church office building and sign it with your real name.. Should I hold my breath?

[larsenb]

Very disappointed in the articles.

I have no interest to read more than the first half of the 2nd article.

Waaaay too much getting bogged down in tiny, irrelevant details.

I really wish he had gone about it in a different way.

His goal, in my view, was to simply do an exhaustive survey of the subject as presented in the Book of Mormn. It wasn't meant to be a page-turner, or one that people such as you and myself would like to see on the subject.

I'll be much more interested in his 4th article where he promises to at least dip into how the subject relates to our present day. As I mentioned, even with this article, I'm sure he won't display his full opinion of what is happening. But it will be interesting to see how cautious he will or won't be.

The importance of his article series, is that he is publicly addressing what has been "the most neglected topic from the Book of Mormon and as such, this is a milestone . . . . in my opinion.

[larsenb]

@NeveR
Trump's campaign is back by Zionist lobbyists. So you are correct.

As for reaching them, I don't think you can. They have to come around that understanding on their own.

If you want any hope of being president, you must bow before the 6-pointed star.

The main evidence I see for DT being ultimately, a shill, is his obeisance to the Israel/Zionist cabal. But if he publicly goes against them, he loses a significant voting block

This idea about Trump is fully supported by Henry Makow and Jeff Rense, but even they are also posting articles/commentary as to how bad the Demos and their minions are as opposed to Trump and Vance.

In contradiction to the idea that Trump is a Zionist shill, was a transcript I saw of a meeting between Netanyahu and Trump.where Trump was trying to gauge Netanyahu's willingness to make a serious effort to stop the attacks on the Palestinians, to end this one-sided war. When Netenyahu expressed no intent to negotiate, Trump was quite disappointed, strongly indicating his intent would be to do everything he could to end the war.

[larsenb]

Yes, this is what I am referring to. The name of our church is listed as a participating member of their organization to implement satanic Agenda 2030.

You think it got put on there by mistake? (lol)

Just because we don't have a name of the person who approved this, doesn't mean we can just dismiss it. You and I both know that all things the church does in its official capacity must be voted on among the Q15, and if there is no unanimous decision, it doesn't happen.


Here's another piece of evidence that, yes, indeed it was NOT put on there by mistake:





Brother Larsen, wake up to a sense of your awful situation!


The second coming has a surprise twist ending! It's not going to look the way you imagined it as a Sunbeam. There's a reason Jesus Christ placed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints under condemnation in D&C 84.

As per usual you misunderstand me. Are you saying I think the Church of LDS got on the list by mistake because the UN folk got the name wrong? Not I. What I don’t know are the circumstances behind how the semblance of the name of the Church got on their list or what role the Church has actually played in furthering the agenda of this organization. Neither do you.

The mere fact that they did get the name wrong, does make the circumstances look suspect. I already said it looks bad, if it was sanctioned by the First Presidency, etc. What more do you want?

And moi, being someone who hasn’t waked up to our awful situation? What a joke that is, if you really knew me.

And does it surprise me that Sister Eubanks (or is it Sister UNbanks?) has great sympathy for Agenda 2030’s Sustainable Development goals? Not a bit. I’ve been around long enough to not be too surprised at how people allow themselves to be caught up in this and that, especially when they sound like good things. We have been seeing a LOT of this among our leaders in recent years.

I just hope they course correct, but am not holding my breath. Meanwhile, regarding the Church and my participation in it, I’m rather focused on the good I see among the members and the ways it upholds the restoration and the Gospel of Christ. And I'm content to let the Lord deal with the problems of the Church. Not much I can do about it. He's the one that launched it via JS, et al.

It's not difficult to understand at all.

Honestly, it doesn't matter how the name of our church got on that list. What matters is that it is.


It's not a mystery that the name "Church of Latter-Day Saints" is what shows instead of bearing the name of Jesus Christ.

Are you really sitting there scratching your head as to why this is? Really? Hint: It's because the organization we have united with is satan's church. Do you, for one second, believe that satan would be okay with allowing Jesus Christ's name anywhere near their organization? There is power in the name of Jesus. It would be like Superman wearing a kryptonite necklace.


NOooooo Braaaiiinnerrrrr.


Are you really that naive that you are unable to connect the dots here? There's a reason why President Nelson's second favorite phrase is "Good Global Citizen" (covenant path being #1). Oh, and... it just so happens that "Good Global Citizen" comes from satan's church? Weird, huh?!


Only to you it's a weird coincidence. Again, awaken to a sense of your awful situation. Our church was placed under condemnation by Jesus Christ in D&C 84 because we failed to take the commandments in the Book of Mormon seriously. And now the LDS church will pay the price.

No, the name of the Church is NOT on the list, only a semblance is; and one that leaves out the most important part of the name: Jesus Christ, as you do mention. I’m just one of those who would like to know the particulars of how the identity of the Church got on this list. And no, I don’t regard this event as a “weird coincidence”.

I’m also not one of those who is prone to jump to the most negative conclusion over disturbing rhetoric some of our leaders may use. That isn’t how I “connect the dots”.

And your interpretation of D&C 84 seems to be a rather extreme interpretation of that passage. If I run a red light, from the point of view of the law, I am under condemnation, and if caught, will be prosecuted. Doesn’t mean I am necessarily under condemnation for anything else. And if I’m hit by a car going through its green light, I suffer natural consequences, and unfortunately the added condemnation for the injury incurred by the driver (etc.) of the other car.

For the same token, the condemnation of not entering into the United Order at that time, had, and has, its penalty of avoiding or negating a society where greater righteousness can prevail, leaving us to be greater victims of the elements of unrighteousness in our present society. For me, it didn’t amount to the entire Church being in a state of apostasy.

But that’s just me, naive person that I am.

[Hogmeister]

@NeveR
Trump's campaign is back by Zionist lobbyists. So you are correct.

As for reaching them, I don't think you can. They have to come around that understanding on their own.

If you want any hope of being president, you must bow before the 6-pointed star.

You mean the 5 pointed star...

"bear in mind the “five-pointed star” like the Soviet one, which shines all over Europe, the star composed of the five
Rothschild brothers with their banks, who possess colossal accumulations of wealth, the
greatest ever known... And so this fact, so colossal that it misled the imagination of the
people of that epoch, passes unnoticed with Marx. Something strange... Is that not so? It
is possible that from this strange blindness of Marx there arises a phenomenon which is
common to all future social revolutions. It is this: we can all confirm that when the
masses take possession of a city or a country, then they always seem struck by a sort of
superstitious fear of the banks and bankers. One had killed Kings, generals, bishops,
policemen, priests and other representatives of the hated privileged classes; one robbed
and burnt palaces, churches and even centres of science, but though the revolutions were
economic-social, the lives of the bankers were respected, and as a result the magnificent
buildings of the banks remained untouched... According to my information, before I had
been arrested, this continues even now..."