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Original_Intent wrote: June 16th, 2024, 6:43 am
FrankOne wrote: June 15th, 2024, 10:15 pm How does one control a child of God who in all actuality has all power at his disposal?

Create something that the child wants and control that thing.

Giving up all attachments to the things within this world is the only way to find freedom. This whirled and everything in it is the gift of someone other than God. The temptation that keeps us away from remembering who we are.

Give the world back to those that control it. This can be done in the mind and heart. When it comes to having to physically walk away, it won't hurt.
So you subscribe to the demiurge creation story? Or something similar?
I wish I could respond with knowledge, but , for me, questions of a curious nature don't get answered.

So...to speculate. From what I do know, I cannot conclude anything else other than that "the earth as we know it today" was not created by The true Father nor his Son Jesus Christ. This is currently a planet of pleasure and pain and purely insane but it does house authentic pure children of God within corrupted bodies. The Father and his Son can only create perfection because that is what they are.

This is not the result of injustice, we chose this.

I speculate that the Gnostic story of creation is generally true as a portrait left to interpretation.

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FrankOne wrote: June 17th, 2024, 11:06 am
Original_Intent wrote: June 16th, 2024, 6:43 am
FrankOne wrote: June 15th, 2024, 10:15 pm How does one control a child of God who in all actuality has all power at his disposal?

Create something that the child wants and control that thing.

Giving up all attachments to the things within this world is the only way to find freedom. This whirled and everything in it is the gift of someone other than God. The temptation that keeps us away from remembering who we are.

Give the world back to those that control it. This can be done in the mind and heart. When it comes to having to physically walk away, it won't hurt.
So you subscribe to the demiurge creation story? Or something similar?
I wish I could respond with knowledge, but , for me, questions of a curious nature don't get answered.

So...to speculate. From what I do know, I cannot conclude anything else other than that "the earth as we know it today" was not created by The true Father nor his Son Jesus Christ. This is currently a planet of pleasure and pain and purely insane but it does house authentic pure children of God within corrupted bodies. The Father and his Son can only create perfection because that is what they are.

This is not the result of injustice, we chose this.

I speculate that the Gnostic story of creation is generally true as a portrait left to interpretation.
That sounds like where I am at.

It seems like everything we have is simply different mythic versions that tell the truth but in a story form and it REQUIRES doing the work to know the truth.

I love the Norse myths. I love the ancient stories of many other cultures. Some seem far from the truth and some seem close, but they all are like seeing the truth through different colored lenses, and just like seeing red and blue ink thru a red lens, you only see the blue ink - it just seems that every lens reveals more.

I like the tory told in the Pistis Sophia which is where I think I first heard about the demiurge version of the creation story.

I do think the Father created this world and it was perfect, but it fell.

I'd also submit that I think that no matter what stories we learn and what we can put together from all of it, I think the real truth is going to be so amazing and beautiful that even the best concepts that the best of us can come up with are going to look like kids' crayon drawings on the fridge. But I am still excited to learn what I can in this phase of the process.

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mudflap wrote: June 15th, 2024, 9:10 pm just remember:

you don't own your home if you have a mortgage on it.

You own more of it, but not all of it, if you have to pay property taxes on it.

we are not free.
Lots of folks who think they own their homes/ properties will find out that the govt takes what it wants. If the dollar collapses and they can't pay their mortgage OR their taxes, they will lose it. In the end, only force has ever maintained property ownership. It's more likely that the government will have bigger fish to fry when times get REALLY hard han trying to repossess your five acre homestead. But the roving bands of Mad Max style thugs might find your garden and food storage worth their time. Can you defend what you have? For how long, and against how many attackers?

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blitzinstripes wrote: June 17th, 2024, 12:45 pm
mudflap wrote: June 15th, 2024, 9:10 pm just remember:

you don't own your home if you have a mortgage on it.

You own more of it, but not all of it, if you have to pay property taxes on it.

we are not free.
Lots of folks who think they own their homes/ properties will find out that the govt takes what it wants. If the dollar collapses and they can't pay their mortgage OR their taxes, they will lose it. In the end, only force has ever maintained property ownership. It's more likely that the government will have bigger fish to fry when times get REALLY hard han trying to repossess your five acre homestead. But the roving bands of Mad Max style thugs might find your garden and food storage worth their time. Can you defend what you have? For how long, and against how many attackers?
While what you are saying is true at one level, it does seem that you are trying to invoke fear. Or perhaps hopelessness.

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blitzinstripes wrote: June 17th, 2024, 12:45 pm
mudflap wrote: June 15th, 2024, 9:10 pm just remember:

you don't own your home if you have a mortgage on it.

You own more of it, but not all of it, if you have to pay property taxes on it.

we are not free.
Lots of folks who think they own their homes/ properties will find out that the govt takes what it wants. If the dollar collapses and they can't pay their mortgage OR their taxes, they will lose it. In the end, only force has ever maintained property ownership. It's more likely that the government will have bigger fish to fry when times get REALLY hard han trying to repossess your five acre homestead. But the roving bands of Mad Max style thugs might find your garden and food storage worth their time. Can you defend what you have? For how long, and against how many attackers?
Pew Research shows:
about half of Americans (55%) live in suburban counties and smaller metropolitan areas, while 31% live in urban counties, and 14% live in rural areas.
If the roving bands of thugs make their hits based on "ease of access" (which thugs tend to do because that's their modus operandi), then the cities will be the worst place to be, followed by suburbia, and then rural areas.

So with no other preps, you're better off than 86% of the population if you live in a rural area in this scenario.

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mudflap wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:16 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: June 17th, 2024, 12:45 pm
mudflap wrote: June 15th, 2024, 9:10 pm just remember:

you don't own your home if you have a mortgage on it.

You own more of it, but not all of it, if you have to pay property taxes on it.

we are not free.
Lots of folks who think they own their homes/ properties will find out that the govt takes what it wants. If the dollar collapses and they can't pay their mortgage OR their taxes, they will lose it. In the end, only force has ever maintained property ownership. It's more likely that the government will have bigger fish to fry when times get REALLY hard han trying to repossess your five acre homestead. But the roving bands of Mad Max style thugs might find your garden and food storage worth their time. Can you defend what you have? For how long, and against how many attackers?
Pew Research shows:
about half of Americans (55%) live in suburban counties and smaller metropolitan areas, while 31% live in urban counties, and 14% live in rural areas.
If the roving bands of thugs make their hits based on "ease of access" (which thugs tend to do because that's their modus operandi), then the cities will be the worst place to be, followed by suburbia, and then rural areas.

So with no other preps, you're better off than 86% of the population if you live in a rural area in this scenario.
Rural is only part of it, I think. You must have community

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Original_Intent wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:20 pm
mudflap wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:16 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: June 17th, 2024, 12:45 pm
Lots of folks who think they own their homes/ properties will find out that the govt takes what it wants. If the dollar collapses and they can't pay their mortgage OR their taxes, they will lose it. In the end, only force has ever maintained property ownership. It's more likely that the government will have bigger fish to fry when times get REALLY hard han trying to repossess your five acre homestead. But the roving bands of Mad Max style thugs might find your garden and food storage worth their time. Can you defend what you have? For how long, and against how many attackers?
Pew Research shows:
about half of Americans (55%) live in suburban counties and smaller metropolitan areas, while 31% live in urban counties, and 14% live in rural areas.
If the roving bands of thugs make their hits based on "ease of access" (which thugs tend to do because that's their modus operandi), then the cities will be the worst place to be, followed by suburbia, and then rural areas.

So with no other preps, you're better off than 86% of the population if you live in a rural area in this scenario.
Rural is only part of it, I think. You must have community
I count "community" as "other preps". but that's not even necessary:

- https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... i-7354256/

^ "oh, but at least they had each other", you say? Ok:

- https://www.businessinsider.com/the-sto ... ars-2019-1

With the right mindset and training, community is optional, IMO.

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Original_Intent wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:20 pm
Rural is only part of it, I think. You must have community
I live in a very rural area on a small ranch, that we have been prepping for 20+ years. When we first came here, I felt relatively comfortable with the "community" we were surrounded by, and was definitely more concerned about the eventual necessity of security against roving gangs, etc. But as things have evolved, and this community has deteriorated into more clueless, urban-minded consumption orientation, now I am a lot more concerned about security against the consumptive community we are now surrounded by, and the possibility of having to defend ourselves and our property against our own "neighbors." It's not a good feeling, and doesn't instill much confidence.

I agree with OI, regardless of rural location, preps, etc., at this point I consider community to be a must. No man is an island. Without a supportive community network, it's just a matter of time before the wheels fall off.

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tmac wrote: June 17th, 2024, 4:05 pm
Original_Intent wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:20 pm
Rural is only part of it, I think. You must have community
I live in a very rural area on a small ranch, that we have been prepping for 20+ years. When we first came here, I felt relatively comfortable with the "community" we were surrounded by, and was definitely more concerned about the eventual necessity of security against roving gangs, etc. But as things have evolved, and this community has deteriorated into more clueless, urban-minded consumption orientation, now I am a lot more concerned about security against the consumptive community we are now surrounded by, and the possibility of having to defend ourselves and our property against our own "neighbors." It's not a good feeling, and doesn't instill much confidence.

I agree with OI, regardless of rural location, preps, etc., at this point I consider community to be a must. No man is an island. Without a supportive community network, it's just a matter of time before the wheels fall off.
and it is not simply that community is necessary to succeed, in my opinion we are meant to be part of something larger. Even an introverted hermit like me.

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tmac wrote: June 17th, 2024, 4:05 pm
Original_Intent wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:20 pm
Rural is only part of it, I think. You must have community
I live in a very rural area on a small ranch, that we have been prepping for 20+ years. When we first came here, I felt relatively comfortable with the "community" we were surrounded by, and was definitely more concerned about the eventual necessity of security against roving gangs, etc. But as things have evolved, and this community has deteriorated into more clueless, urban-minded consumption orientation, now I am a lot more concerned about security against the consumptive community we are now surrounded by, and the possibility of having to defend ourselves and our property against our own "neighbors." It's not a good feeling, and doesn't instill much confidence.

I agree with OI, regardless of rural location, preps, etc., at this point I consider community to be a must. No man is an island. Without a supportive community network, it's just a matter of time before the wheels fall off.
I must say, I have all the respect in the world for you walking the walk. I never really got out of my career, and now I just want to retire. I don't got enough umph in me to start homesteading now.

I just would like to be living with a group that is ready for what is to come and that I would trust having my back if things melt down. I mean, my current neighbors here in Missouri are nice enough folks, but I don't sense that they are prepped, and if things go south I fully expect them to try to take care of their own, and the niceties of civilization be damned.

Sorry to hear your rural area is deteriorating. I figure best I can do at this point is try to establish Zion in our home, prepare and be ready todie if a complete collapse happens.

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mudflap wrote: June 15th, 2024, 9:10 pm just remember:

you don't own your home if you have a mortgage on it.

You own more of it, but not all of it, if you have to pay property taxes on it.

we are not free.
I will be free when I leave this messed up world and go into the next. Christ went to prepare a place for me and you and millions of others. He'll be in charge. But until that time comes I'll fight the dam tyrants that are destroying my country and some that are trying to destroy Christs Church. The time we spend here is a drop in the bucket compared to eternity.

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Fight for the right wrote: June 17th, 2024, 6:13 pm
mudflap wrote: June 15th, 2024, 9:10 pm just remember:

you don't own your home if you have a mortgage on it.

You own more of it, but not all of it, if you have to pay property taxes on it.

we are not free.
I will be free when I leave this messed up world and go into the next. Christ went to prepare a place for me and you and millions of others. He'll be in charge. But until that time comes I'll fight the dam tyrants that are destroying my country and some that are trying to destroy Christs Church. The time we spend here is a drop in the bucket compared to eternity.
Unfortunately, our mortal brains are incapable to comprehending such grandiose design. Until that my spirit is united with that design, I will make the move to a lifestyle of low reliance on money and fight for my freedom.

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Shasa26 wrote: June 15th, 2024, 3:43 pm I don't think it's inevitable that it ends in war. There are still ways to address this before it gets to that point. For example, I believe stronger social safety nets and fairer tax policies could really make a difference. It's a tough situation tho
You mean bigger government? Safety nets to prevent what? All social safety nets are satanic. Sounds like freedom is what you are attempting to prevent. Socialism is of the devil. As are all socialists.

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Shasa26 wrote: June 15th, 2024, 3:43 pm I don't think it's inevitable that it ends in war. There are still ways to address this before it gets to that point. For example, I believe stronger social safety nets and fairer tax policies could really make a difference. It's a tough situation tho
All taxation is theft.

But I hear North Korea has some really strong social safety nets and VERY fair tax policies.

war / societal collapse / some kind of reset - MUST happen. You can't go $34T in debt and then "just pay it off". Number 1: because no one ever has, and number 2: no country in the history of countries has ever been this deep in debt. But history tells us the Elites usually choose war to wipe out debt, so I guess we'll see.

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mudflap wrote: June 17th, 2024, 8:56 pm
Shasa26 wrote: June 15th, 2024, 3:43 pm I don't think it's inevitable that it ends in war. There are still ways to address this before it gets to that point. For example, I believe stronger social safety nets and fairer tax policies could really make a difference. It's a tough situation tho
All taxation is theft.

But I hear North Korea has some really strong social safety nets and VERY fair tax policies.

war / societal collapse / some kind of reset - MUST happen. You can't go $34T in debt and then "just pay it off". Number 1: because no one ever has, and number 2: no country in the history of countries has ever been this deep in debt. But history tells us the Elites usually choose war to wipe out debt, so I guess we'll see.
They aren't planning on paying it off...they are going to dismantle this unworkable system......for something better...you will own nothing and be happy......the safety nets will be there except prolly in bad repair with big gaping holes.....and once you fall through...well there just isn't anything that could be done about that....we all should be wary what we wish for...there is no free lunch...somebody somewhere paid for it....

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farmerchick wrote: June 17th, 2024, 9:15 pm
mudflap wrote: June 17th, 2024, 8:56 pm
Shasa26 wrote: June 15th, 2024, 3:43 pm I don't think it's inevitable that it ends in war. There are still ways to address this before it gets to that point. For example, I believe stronger social safety nets and fairer tax policies could really make a difference. It's a tough situation tho
All taxation is theft.

But I hear North Korea has some really strong social safety nets and VERY fair tax policies.

war / societal collapse / some kind of reset - MUST happen. You can't go $34T in debt and then "just pay it off". Number 1: because no one ever has, and number 2: no country in the history of countries has ever been this deep in debt. But history tells us the Elites usually choose war to wipe out debt, so I guess we'll see.
They aren't planning on paying it off...they are going to dismantle this unworkable system......for something better...you will own nothing and be happy......the safety nets will be there except prolly in bad repair with big gaping holes.....and once you fall through...well there just isn't anything that could be done about that....we all should be wary what we wish for...there is no free lunch...somebody somewhere paid for it....
Mostly agreed. But there won't be any safety nets if you're white. or Christian. or heterosexual.

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tmac wrote: June 17th, 2024, 4:05 pm
Original_Intent wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:20 pm
Rural is only part of it, I think. You must have community
I live in a very rural area on a small ranch, that we have been prepping for 20+ years. When we first came here, I felt relatively comfortable with the "community" we were surrounded by, and was definitely more concerned about the eventual necessity of security against roving gangs, etc. But as things have evolved, and this community has deteriorated into more clueless, urban-minded consumption orientation, now I am a lot more concerned about security against the consumptive community we are now surrounded by, and the possibility of having to defend ourselves and our property against our own "neighbors." It's not a good feeling, and doesn't instill much confidence.

I agree with OI, regardless of rural location, preps, etc., at this point I consider community to be a must. No man is an island. Without a supportive community network, it's just a matter of time before the wheels fall off.
We have built some bonds with locals at our little country cottage. We have been working diligently on the land for the past three years. Back-breaking, dropping with exhaustion at the end of every day... We pause when we get a chance and deliver extra garden veggies and homemade breads to our neighbors.

We have one neighbor who is very stand-offish. Occasionally he will nod as he drives by, but otherwise shoos people away. This past weekend he pulled up to our gate and honked. I walked to the front with a hammer in my hand. I was a complete mess, covered in sweat and dirt from the shed that I was taking down to move. He grinned broadly and reached over the fence to shake my hand. He said that he had been watching us for the past three years and was impressed with our work ethic. We have officially been accepted by the "heart" of our area and it feels great! He gave me his gate access code and told me to find him if we have an emergency. This is huge. Many of the people in our area work on this man's ranch and have homes within a 5-mile radius.

Should things go south we are surrounded by hard working, salt of the earth people.

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It would be real nice, and encouraging to have some new neighbors like you move in, but unfortunately, around here, it is mostly the opposite.

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tmac wrote: June 18th, 2024, 7:55 am It would be real nice, and encouraging to have some new neighbors like you move in, but unfortunately, around here, it is mostly the opposite.
Many people are discouraged from moving to our little area because internet is spotty at best. It is slower than dial-up. The same for cell phone coverage. For me this is a bonus. Cutting electronics time frees up a great deal of time for working the land and forces us to get out and talk with our neighbors in person. People out here do not call each other on the phone. They drive up and chat and it is insulting to show up without a gift of some sort unless you are delivering an important message.

Two weeks ago, a neighbor showed up with his shiny new tractor. He saw that we cut down several trees and wanted to test out a couple attachments. (his way of offering to help without offending us) Good people out here!

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Momma J wrote: June 18th, 2024, 6:07 am
tmac wrote: June 17th, 2024, 4:05 pm
Original_Intent wrote: June 17th, 2024, 1:20 pm
Rural is only part of it, I think. You must have community
I live in a very rural area on a small ranch, that we have been prepping for 20+ years. When we first came here, I felt relatively comfortable with the "community" we were surrounded by, and was definitely more concerned about the eventual necessity of security against roving gangs, etc. But as things have evolved, and this community has deteriorated into more clueless, urban-minded consumption orientation, now I am a lot more concerned about security against the consumptive community we are now surrounded by, and the possibility of having to defend ourselves and our property against our own "neighbors." It's not a good feeling, and doesn't instill much confidence.

I agree with OI, regardless of rural location, preps, etc., at this point I consider community to be a must. No man is an island. Without a supportive community network, it's just a matter of time before the wheels fall off.
We have built some bonds with locals at our little country cottage. We have been working diligently on the land for the past three years. Back-breaking, dropping with exhaustion at the end of every day... We pause when we get a chance and deliver extra garden veggies and homemade breads to our neighbors.

We have one neighbor who is very stand-offish. Occasionally he will nod as he drives by, but otherwise shoos people away. This past weekend he pulled up to our gate and honked. I walked to the front with a hammer in my hand. I was a complete mess, covered in sweat and dirt from the shed that I was taking down to move. He grinned broadly and reached over the fence to shake my hand. He said that he had been watching us for the past three years and was impressed with our work ethic. We have officially been accepted by the "heart" of our area and it feels great! He gave me his gate access code and told me to find him if we have an emergency. This is huge. Many of the people in our area work on this man's ranch and have homes within a 5-mile radius.

Should things go south we are surrounded by hard working, salt of the earth people.
can't beat that - it's great news.

Being accepted into "the club" is definitely not something that will just happen for those that are living in cities with the plan to "just bug out" if things go south.

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