The above brings to mind, again, the words of Bishop Koyle as he describes the desperation of a future time. He said that when 11 families can come together as one, then the Dream/Relief Mine will open. As I've said before, if we're honest with ourselves, the foregoing is unthinkable. I would love to be a part of a group that can band together and find the way of unity. I realize that I am not exempt from human weakness, but I would enjoy the work and learning process. This is the second forum that I have been on which is based on a foundation of Christ. I have learned much from interacting online with many experiences being personally painful . I'm not sure if I'm just worn out now or that I've learned understanding, but whatever it is, it's working for me.Original_Intent wrote: ↑July 11th, 2023, 12:56 pmI don't want to appear "clique-ish", but while there are many here at LDSFF that I have some respect for, there are only a handful that I would really LIKE to have a true friendship with. Some I am intrigues with and definitely want to get to know better and might wish a friendship with in the future. But I definitely relate to the "limited time and energy" thought that you expressed above. I just don't want to waste time with people that are not somewhat oriented towards the same target as me.Thinker wrote: ↑July 11th, 2023, 10:54 am This is a bit like a journal - that my kids & others have access to - who may benefit (or not ) at some point.
A somewhat rare thought that I want to express before I change my mind again…
Who gives a rip what we believe? What does it really matter in the big picture? Personally I pretty much don’t like & avoid jalapeños. Why would I get upset if someone else likes them? Granted, some herd mentalities can & do hurt people, but so many beliefs are not deal-breakers. Strongly agree. I am prepared and expect to learn that I am wrong about a great many things. The important thing - to ME- is a sincere pursuit of truth. I have found so much in other belief systems that enhance my understanding of principles that most LDS would agree on, but I find it sad that most will not look outside of their own box because they feel like to do so would be a sin of some kind. The only belief systems that are deal-breakers for me are belief systems that try to coerce the minds of others. That mindset I see as an existential threat and one worthy of enmity.
I want to create friendships that are like - or better than - family. Nobody’s perfect & nobody will believe the exact same way as I do on everything. How boring if otherwise! Of course it’s good to be selective in everything - life, time & energy are limited so they need to be invested well. Still, I am realizing that for pretty much everyone, there are some topics in which we need to agree to disagree. I like that idea of friendships that are like, or even better than, family. I also like the idea of trying to build those kinds of relationships with family members. While taking into account your good thoughts above about no need to be identical, but also that we have limited time and energy, I quite like what C.S. Lewis had to say in "The Four Loves" about friendship.“Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend. The rest of us know that though we can have erotic love and friendship for the same person yet in some ways nothing is less like a Friendship than a love-affair. Lovers are always talking to one another about their love; Friends hardly ever about their Friendship. Lovers are normally face to face, absorbed in each other; Friends, side by side, absorbed in some common interest. Above all, Eros (while it lasts) is necessarily between two only. But two, far from being the necessary number for Friendship, is not even the best. And the reason for this is important.
... In each of my friends there is something that only some other friend can fully bring out. By myself I am not large enough to call the whole man into activity; I want other lights than my own to show all his facets... Hence true Friendship is the least jealous of loves. Two friends delight to be joined by a third, and three by a fourth, if only the newcomer is qualified to become a real friend. They can then say, as the blessed souls say in Dante, 'Here comes one who will augment our loves.' For in this love 'to divide is not to take away.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Four Loves
What matters more is how we act. We may claim to be a jerk but act so godly or may claim to be so godly but act like a jerk. Actions speak louder than words. I would say at times I fit both of these. I feel that I am very chaotic in a sense. There are times that I feel I am "vibing" easily at 400 (reason) and other times that I might be as low as 50.
I'm not going to name names as I would certainly forget one or more people and or feelings might be hurt. There are also probably some that might be surprised that they would be on a list of a dozen or so.
There is something to be said for having a tribe.
What could cause enough of a change for 11 families to even want to unite? We're getting there, slowly but surely.