POLL — Do LDS temple marriages seal a couple for time and all eternity?

For discussing the Church, Gospel of Jesus Christ, Mormonism, etc.

Are LDS temple marriages a legitimate ordinance upheld by God that last for all eternity?

Poll ended at January 2nd, 2024, 9:08 pm

Yes
24
23%
No
44
42%
Probably yes
11
10%
Probably no
5
5%
Undecided
12
11%
Other
9
9%
Refuse to answer
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 105
fractal_light_harvest
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POLL — Do LDS temple marriages seal a couple for time and all eternity?

Post by fractal_light_harvest »

One vote per person. Poll will last 30 days.

Basically, do LDS marriage sealings have the ability to seal a man and woman for time and *all eternity* assuming they are worthy etc.

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FrankOne
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Lots of polls lately. Interesting.

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AgeOfAquarius
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No.
First, only Joseph Smith had the sealing power/Patriarchal Priesthood. Joseph sealed people to himself before he was killed.
The people getting sealed need to realize they need to work on their marriage and continue to ask in prayer that the Holy Spirit of Promise will seal their marriage.

I do need to add that Hyrum Smith also had the Patriarchal Priesthood and was the Co- president with Joseph. Sorry for not including that information.
Last edited by AgeOfAquarius on December 4th, 2023, 7:15 am, edited 1 time in total.

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according to what the Lord told me on August 6, 2020. Yes.

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RosyPosy
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The temple was nothing but a feeling of my arm being twisted. Everytime I entered I could feel the spirit wait outside the doors.

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BuriedTartaria
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I voted no, but I don’t know anything and maybe I’m the one who is wrong.


I think throughout the expanse of eternity, souls are going to find soulmates to spend eternity with.

I think I’m understanding one of the (I’m assuming many) reasons God loves us is he sees the potential in all of us. We largely don’t see it in ourselves and in others.

I don’t know if it’s cliche, I’m speaking ignorantly, but I think love can really elevate an individual and I hope everyone gets that some day in a lasting manner.

I just saw Godzilla Minus One. Amazing depiction of love between a man and a woman. Extremely sincere, giving and wholesome.

fractal_light_harvest
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  • It seems that the highest percentage of voters believe LDS temple marriages are invalid at 54%
  • 24% are undecided
  • 8% believe in them

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Original_Intent
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I chose other,

Like all ordinances, the ordinances themselves have no power in and of themselves, even if performed by so-called "proper authority"

Without ratification from heaven, all ordinances are empty and do nothing.
With ratification from heaven, all things are possible.

Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.

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Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 12:59 pm I chose other,

Like all ordinances, the ordinances themselves have no power in and of themselves, even if performed by so-called "proper authority"

Without ratification from heaven, all ordinances are empty and do nothing.
With ratification from heaven, all things are possible.

Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
I certainly agree with you. Just because we might be married in the temple it means nothing unless we convert that temple marriage into a celestial marriage.

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Would someone go and listen carefully/memorize the current iteration of the marriage ceremony performed in the temple?

The last time I went, the ceremony pronounced the man and woman husband and wife.....and then SEALED upon them blessings, namely the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Nowhere did it say they were SEALED to each other. This was in contrast to the child-parent sealing which specifies stated that the child was sealed to the parents as though they had been born in the covenant.

fractal_light_harvest
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Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 12:59 pm I chose other,

Like all ordinances, the ordinances themselves have no power in and of themselves, even if performed by so-called "proper authority"

Without ratification from heaven, all ordinances are empty and do nothing.
With ratification from heaven, all things are possible.

Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
Wdym? You’re offended by the poll?

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Original_Intent
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fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:00 pm
Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 12:59 pm I chose other,

Like all ordinances, the ordinances themselves have no power in and of themselves, even if performed by so-called "proper authority"

Without ratification from heaven, all ordinances are empty and do nothing.
With ratification from heaven, all things are possible.

Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
Wdym? You’re offended by the poll?
Not at all. several polls ago, you said, in the title "I'll stop soon, I promise!"

And of course I don't need to participate, but it does seem that there is no end in sight.

fractal_light_harvest
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Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:03 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:00 pm
Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 12:59 pm I chose other,

Like all ordinances, the ordinances themselves have no power in and of themselves, even if performed by so-called "proper authority"

Without ratification from heaven, all ordinances are empty and do nothing.
With ratification from heaven, all things are possible.

Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
Wdym? You’re offended by the poll?
Not at all. several polls ago, you said, in the title "I'll stop soon, I promise!"

And of course I don't need to participate, but it does seem that there is no end in sight.
Oh Isee….I meant I’d take a break. Are you sure the polls don’t offend you at all? They’re not meant to offend, just gather data.

You’re tired of them?

fractal_light_harvest
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BuriedTartaria wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 10:49 pm I voted no, but I don’t know anything and maybe I’m the one who is wrong.


I think throughout the expanse of eternity, souls are going to find soulmates to spend eternity with.

I think I’m understanding one of the (I’m assuming many) reasons God loves us is he sees the potential in all of us. We largely don’t see it in ourselves and in others.

I don’t know if it’s cliche, I’m speaking ignorantly, but I think love can really elevate an individual and I hope everyone gets that some day in a lasting manner.

I just saw Godzilla Minus One. Amazing depiction of love between a man and a woman. Extremely sincere, giving and wholesome.
So you believe it’s more about finding your soulmate than going through an ordinance?

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fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:05 pm
Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:03 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:00 pm



Wdym? You’re offended by the poll?
Not at all. several polls ago, you said, in the title "I'll stop soon, I promise!"

And of course I don't need to participate, but it does seem that there is no end in sight.
Oh Isee….I meant I’d take a break. Are you sure the polls don’t offend you at all? They’re not meant to offend, just gather data.

You’re tired of them?
What is the purpose of your gathering this data? Where is this data going to?

fractal_light_harvest
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FrankOne wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:43 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:05 pm
Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:03 pm

Not at all. several polls ago, you said, in the title "I'll stop soon, I promise!"

And of course I don't need to participate, but it does seem that there is no end in sight.
Oh Isee….I meant I’d take a break. Are you sure the polls don’t offend you at all? They’re not meant to offend, just gather data.

You’re tired of them?
What is the purpose of your gathering this data? Where is this data going to?
I talked about this in a previous post. Do you need me to link it for you? Are you offended by the poll or just curious?

If lots of people are offended that’s not my intent. I don’t have to poll on this site necessarily.

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FrankOne
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fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:52 pm
FrankOne wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:43 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:05 pm

Oh Isee….I meant I’d take a break. Are you sure the polls don’t offend you at all? They’re not meant to offend, just gather data.

You’re tired of them?
What is the purpose of your gathering this data? Where is this data going to?
I talked about this in a previous post. Do you need me to link it for you? Are you offended by the poll or just curious?

If lots of people are offended that’s not my intent. I don’t have to poll on this site necessarily.
hahah. Why would I be offended by your polls? You could poll every day about any subject and it wouldn't offend me.

I am only inquiring of your motivation for the polls. Apparently I missed your disclosure.

fractal_light_harvest
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FrankOne wrote: December 4th, 2023, 5:03 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:52 pm
FrankOne wrote: December 4th, 2023, 4:43 pm

What is the purpose of your gathering this data? Where is this data going to?
I talked about this in a previous post. Do you need me to link it for you? Are you offended by the poll or just curious?

If lots of people are offended that’s not my intent. I don’t have to poll on this site necessarily.
hahah. Why would I be offended by your polls? You could poll every day about any subject and it wouldn't offend me.

I am only inquiring of your motivation for the polls. Apparently I missed your disclosure.
Oh well the info is just for me and anyone who’d like it. It’s just a personal project I’m attempting to see what attitudes and beliefs are more or less. I’m glad you’re not offended. Certainly no offense was intended on my end.

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Yes, but as mentioned above, the couple still needs to earn and qualify for it to be ratified in Heaven. A Temple sealing is just one of the first steps to Eternal Marriage.

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Other- yes and no. It's only a promise of blessings that must be sealed by Christ through the Holy Spirit for it to take effect.

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I believe in Eternal marriages but doubt that God gives marriage-sealing authority to the guys who perform the marriages in the temples.

It seems odd to me that a marriage would need to be “sealed”. We have our free will and can make a choice to be together, following Eternal laws and principles pertaining to marriage, which in my opinion would necessitate that the marriage be permanent.

The test, then, is are we able to live the laws and principles pertaining to marriage?

Marriage permanence should just be a feature of marriage for those who can do so righteously.

But, if God does require a sealing ordinance as part of the process, again, I doubt He gives that authority to the sealers in the temple.

I could be wrong.

fractal_light_harvest
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At 50 votes the percentage of people who are undecided or voted ‘other’ has increased making the percentages for those who voted ‘yes’ or ‘no’ both decrease.

fractal_light_harvest
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Dave62 wrote: December 4th, 2023, 2:54 pm
Original_Intent wrote: December 4th, 2023, 12:59 pm I chose other,

Like all ordinances, the ordinances themselves have no power in and of themselves, even if performed by so-called "proper authority"

Without ratification from heaven, all ordinances are empty and do nothing.
With ratification from heaven, all things are possible.

Also, on a poll a while back you said you would stop soon, you promised.
It is past soon.
I certainly agree with you. Just because we might be married in the temple it means nothing unless we convert that temple marriage into a celestial marriage.
I guess one question I would have based on your response is: is it then necessary to go thru the ordinance itself plus convert that temple marriage into a celestial one? Or is it enough to simply be married civilly and live a celestial type of marriage?

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AgeOfAquarius wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 9:21 pm No.
First, only Joseph Smith had the sealing power/Patriarchal Priesthood. Joseph sealed people to himself before he was killed.
The people getting sealed need to realize they need to work on their marriage and continue to ask in prayer that the Holy Spirit of Promise will seal their marriage.

I do need to add that Hyrum Smith also had the Patriarchal Priesthood and was the Co- president with Joseph. Sorry for not including that information.
instructing them in the principles and order of the Priesthood, attending to washings, anointings, endowments and the communication of Keys pertaining to the Aaronic Priesthood, and so on to the highest order of Melchisedec Priesthood, setting forth the order pertaining to the ancient of Days, and all those plans and principles, by which any one is enabled to secure the fulness of those blessings, which have been prepared for the Church of the first born, and come up and abide in the presence of the Eloheim in the Eternal worlds. In this Council was instituted the Ancient order of things for the first time in these last days. And the communications I made to this Council were of things Spiritual, and to be received only by the Spiritual minded: and there was nothing made known to these men, but what will be made known to all <​the​> Saints of the last days, so soon as they are prepared to receive, and a proper place is prepared to communicate them, even to the weakest of the Saints; [p. 1328]


https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper ... y-1842/502

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Yes but most can’t hear the spirit and are clueless to the everlasting covenant, so does it really matter?

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