Nelson erasing Hinkley?

[SJR3t2]

Just a thought, but I wonder if one reason Nelson in doing so many temples is to out do Hinkley. Hinkley was the one known for building the most temples. And I can see that Nelson wants to erase Hinkley because Hinkley used his position to stop Nelson's claimed revelation of the word Mormon is a win for Satan.

[CMajor]

Of course it is...a narc likes to be the center of attention, the best, snub a previous President.

Make the most changes of any Prophet in history, cause he's the best.

At least we know God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Men on the other hand...

[ransomme]

Nelson seems to me to be a bit narcissistic. He can't help talking about himself.

[LDS Physician]

Nelson seems to me to be a bit narcissistic. He can't help talking about himself.

You ought to follow his twitter account. Your assessment will be validated.

[ransomme]

Nelson seems to me to be a bit narcissistic. He can't help talking about himself.

You ought to follow his twitter account. Your assessment will be validated.

yeah I'm sure

[Niemand]

Almost certainly. It is so childish. You can bet that Hinckley must have slapped down Nelson in private a few times. He may have even wanted to get rid of him but couldn't because of Second Anointings etc.

The one thing he is getting right is building temples in Africa where they are badly needed, and Asia where they are less needed, but are few on the ground.

He should build one in Scotland. We were promised one, and we have more members than some countries that now have temples... or some small towns in America that now have them.

[CaptainM]

Spiritual swords?

18)And it came to pass that they would not hearken unto his words (BOM?); and there began to be contentions, insomuch that they were divided against themselves and began to slay one another with the sword. (Helaman 10)

36)And a man's foes shall be they of his own household (Hmmm, sound familiar). (Matthew 10)

53)The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (Luke 12)

14)Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15)

[Jamescm]

I supposed it was more about providing temple access than one-upping a previous president of the Church, but I was also unaware of the mentioned spat about use of the word "Mormon" in describing people who hold the Book of Mormon to be a Testament of Jesus Christ. I don't care one way or the other, only acknowledging the very strong arguments that exist for both positions.

That was... Really all I got from him at Conference. His one talk I was able to hear was him talking about how many people switched to not using the term "Mormon", then doubling down against those who haven't in a way that came off as petty, almost childish. The prophet of the Lord was... Throwing a temper-tantrum during the General Conference of the Church. Even his countenance was different as he did so. Then he used the term "humankind", and I just turned it off.

Not that shutting out church speakers is a frequent hobby of mine, but it was the first time I've ever done so and not felt any tinge of guilt, or even indignation. It just felt like a pity, and I immediately moved on. I still uphold him as a prophet of God, it just wasn't a high point of his.

[CMajor]

Almost certainly. It is so childish. You can bet that Hinckley must have slapped down Nelson in private a few times. He may have even wanted to get rid of him but couldn't because of Second Anointings etc.

The one thing he is getting right is building temples in Africa where they are badly needed, and Asia where they are less needed, but are few on the ground.

He should build one in Scotland. We were promised one, and we have more members than some countries that now have temples... or some small towns in America that now have them.

If you were promised one, it must have come from a previous Prophet. Scotland is the home of Donald Trump's mother, Grandmother and families. As such the supporters of the Deep State will never build one there. It is my understanding that when President Trump visited Utah he DID NOT receive his 4 generation genealogy book that the Church gave to visiting U.S. Presidents, including Obama.

Who knows, his staff keeps an eye on this website, and just to prove he is not a narc, he just may mention a temple for Scotland. Only a paper temple mind you, but a mention just the same.

[Robin Hood]

Almost certainly. It is so childish. You can bet that Hinckley must have slapped down Nelson in private a few times. He may have even wanted to get rid of him but couldn't because of Second Anointings etc.

The one thing he is getting right is building temples in Africa where they are badly needed, and Asia where they are less needed, but are few on the ground.

He should build one in Scotland. We were promised one, and we have more members than some countries that now have temples... or some small towns in America that now have them.

Ireland should get a temple.
I noticed none of the latest temple announcements were for Europe.

[Niemand]

Almost certainly. It is so childish. You can bet that Hinckley must have slapped down Nelson in private a few times. He may have even wanted to get rid of him but couldn't because of Second Anointings etc.

The one thing he is getting right is building temples in Africa where they are badly needed, and Asia where they are less needed, but are few on the ground.

He should build one in Scotland. We were promised one, and we have more members than some countries that now have temples... or some small towns in America that now have them.

If you were promised one, it must have come from a previous Prophet. Scotland is the home of Donald Trump's mother, Grandmother and families. As such the supporters of the Deep State will never build one there. It is my understanding that when President Trump visited Utah he DID NOT receive his 4 generation genealogy book that the Church gave to visiting U.S. Presidents, including Obama.

Who knows, his staff keeps an eye on this website, and just to prove he is not a narc, he just may mention a temple for Scotland. Only a paper temple mind you, but a mention just the same.

We have a lot of inactives here but we certainly have more members here than some of the countries they're building in. It would also be accessible from northern England and Ireland.

I can't really see Trump's MacLeod ancestry playing much into that. After all Trump has German ancestry and there are quite a few temples within driving distance of Germany.

[Niemand]

Almost certainly. It is so childish. You can bet that Hinckley must have slapped down Nelson in private a few times. He may have even wanted to get rid of him but couldn't because of Second Anointings etc.

The one thing he is getting right is building temples in Africa where they are badly needed, and Asia where they are less needed, but are few on the ground.

He should build one in Scotland. We were promised one, and we have more members than some countries that now have temples... or some small towns in America that now have them.

Ireland should get a temple.
I noticed none of the latest temple announcements were for Europe.

I have no problem with Ireland getting one, but Birmingham was probably the last place I'd put a new one. Probably to do with church land. As I've said before, I think Chorley was an inspired choice (it's not an obvious location but is connected to LDS history and accessible from many places) but Crawley/East Grinstead wasn't and that was probably more to do with being near Gatwick airport, and some GA seeing the location.

I'd probably site an Irish temple at Dundalk (good distance from both Dublin and Belfast), and a Scottish one around Stirling, possibly Harthill. Maybe even Perth at a stretch (that branch has always needed a shot in the arm.)

[Reluctant Watchman]

Almost certainly. It is so childish. You can bet that Hinckley must have slapped down Nelson in private a few times. He may have even wanted to get rid of him but couldn't because of Second Anointings etc.

The one thing he is getting right is building temples in Africa where they are badly needed, and Asia where they are less needed, but are few on the ground.

He should build one in Scotland. We were promised one, and we have more members than some countries that now have temples... or some small towns in America that now have them.

So, let me get this straight, Africa needs more “fine sanctuaries” that are “adorned” to perfection and done so through an incorrect tithe?

[BKColt]

I'm pulling for both Scotland and Ireland to have a temple announced in the near future.

After then Elder Nelson's talk in Conference in October 2001, it was rumored/reported that President Hinckley was not exactly thrilled with the seemingly more pacifist-leaning talk of Nelson's, if I remember the reports from then.

[blitzinstripes]

Throughout history, the most powerful manifestations of God have happened on mountain tops. Not in man made temples. You want to find God? Climb a mountain alone.

You want to keep the cash flowing in to the corporation? Keep building pay to play temples to "dot the earth".

[Silver Pie]

Throughout history, the most powerful manifestations of God have happened on mountain tops. Not in man made temples. You want to find God? Climb a mountain alone.

You want to keep the cash flowing in to the corporation? Keep building pay to play temples to "dot the earth".

Spot on!!

[abijah]

Egypt being egypt.

[fractal_light_harvest]

Almost certainly. It is so childish. You can bet that Hinckley must have slapped down Nelson in private a few times. He may have even wanted to get rid of him but couldn't because of Second Anointings etc.

The one thing he is getting right is building temples in Africa where they are badly needed, and Asia where they are less needed, but are few on the ground.

He should build one in Scotland. We were promised one, and we have more members than some countries that now have temples... or some small towns in America that now have them.

If you were promised one, it must have come from a previous Prophet. Scotland is the home of Donald Trump's mother, Grandmother and families. As such the supporters of the Deep State will never build one there. It is my understanding that when President Trump visited Utah he DID NOT receive his 4 generation genealogy book that the Church gave to visiting U.S. Presidents, including Obama.

Who knows, his staff keeps an eye on this website, and just to prove he is not a narc, he just may mention a temple for Scotland. Only a paper temple mind you, but a mention just the same.

We have a lot of inactives here but we certainly have more members here than some of the countries they're building in. It would also be accessible from northern England and Ireland.

I can't really see Trump's MacLeod ancestry playing much into that. After all Trump has German ancestry and there are quite a few temples within driving distance of Germany.

I think they’ve mostly abandoned Europe as far as putting in lots of infrastructure for growing the church due to bad press, stricter laws, and historical lack of retaining converts. And generational Mormonism isnt as strong as in US with Utah families. But UK is possibly an exception? That’s my current theory anyways

[Niemand]

I think they’ve mostly abandoned Europe as far as putting in lots of infrastructure for growing the church due to bad press, stricter laws, and historical lack of retaining converts. And generational Mormonism isnt as strong as in US with Utah families. But UK is possibly an exception? That’s my current theory anyways

Continental Europe is certainly a shambles. The correlation has created a bland unrooted culture with little local identity. There were LDS in East Germany, for example, who struggled to keep their church but who have now lost most intergenerational continuity due to the faceless structure they find themselves in.

The UK and Ireland are all curious cases. There aren't really that many oldies in my ward now, but I can name third and even fourth generation people in my stake if I think about it. Again, the local identities in each ward are fractured and the boundaries are not often well thought out. A lot of the older families are inactive or semi-active.

Regional and national identities are often not well understood. The LDS deals with the Irish situation very badly. I see missionaries who have pins with the Irish Tricolour and Union Jack not realising that these both play very differently in different places. Most people in the Republic of Ireland do not take kindly to being called British, and opinion is divided in the north of Ireland. In Ireland, many people's identity is tied up to Protestantism and Roman Catholicism and Mormonism breaks that. In Wales, they had a huge Welsh speaking contingent but Americans don't understand this heritage and it isn't much in evidence in Welsh chapels. In Scotland, the church has failed to expand outside the major cities and not much within some of them.

Scotland or Ireland would be more deserving of a temple than some continental European countries that have been getting them. Like Ireland, countries such as Poland and Greece have strong national connections to certain churches and again, Mormonism severs that. Greeks fought hard to be a Christian and Orthodox country against the Turks for example.

[fractal_light_harvest]

I think they’ve mostly abandoned Europe as far as putting in lots of infrastructure for growing the church due to bad press, stricter laws, and historical lack of retaining converts. And generational Mormonism isnt as strong as in US with Utah families. But UK is possibly an exception? That’s my current theory anyways

Continental Europe is certainly a shambles. The correlation has created a bland unrooted culture with little local identity. There were LDS in East Germany, for example, who struggled to keep their church but who have now lost most intergenerational continuity due to the faceless structure they find themselves in.

The UK and Ireland are all curious cases. There aren't really that many oldies in my ward now, but I can name third and even fourth generation people in my stake if I think about it. Again, the local identities in each ward are fractured and the boundaries are not often well thought out. A lot of the older families are inactive or semi-active.

Regional and national identities are often not well understood. The LDS deals with the Irish situation very badly. I see missionaries who have pins with the Irish Tricolour and Union Jack not realising that these both play very differently in different places. Most people in the Republic of Ireland do not take kindly to being called British, and opinion is divided in the north of Ireland. In Ireland, many people's identity is tied up to Protestantism and Roman Catholicism and Mormonism breaks that. In Wales, they had a huge Welsh speaking contingent but Americans don't understand this heritage and it isn't much in evidence in Welsh chapels. In Scotland, the church has failed to expand outside the major cities and not much within some of them.

Scotland or Ireland would be more deserving of a temple than some continental European countries that have been getting them. Like Ireland, countries such as Poland and Greece have strong national connections to certain churches and again, Mormonism severs that. Greeks fought hard to be a Christian and Orthodox country against the Turks for example.

I find this interesting since europe was originally one of the main places where converts came from. I believe the temples are preferentially located wherever the church believes will give them the most bang for the buck, so unfortunately not many more will be built in Europe I don’t think. But in Asia and Africa the field is still relatively untapped and white ready for harvesting. In places where there is a lot of regional pride it seems like the church struggles more due to the correlation like you said.

[Niemand]

I find this interesting since europe was originally one of the main places where converts came from. I believe the temples are preferentially located wherever the church believes will give them the most bang for the buck, so unfortunately not many more will be built in Europe I don’t think. But in Asia and Africa the field is still relatively untapped and white ready for harvesting. In places where there is a lot of regional pride it seems like the church struggles more due to the correlation like you said.

Africa is a major growth area. Asia not so much. Japan, Taiwan and South Korea are much the same as the west Especially South Korea since it has a substantial native Christian population. (For years, the LDS has touted itself as the True Church, and poached Christians from other groups, rather than concentrating on non-Christians as they they should.) These three countries are mainly targetted as they are wealthy. The Philippines have a major Christian population but are not so wealthy.

The latest crop of temple announcements includes: * Ulaan Bataar in Mongolia — probably their cleverest choice, given that it is one of the few places Russians, Chinese and Westerners can all visit without too much bureaucratic bother.
* Mbujimayi in the DRC — I didn't know the name of this place, but the DRC (ex-Zaire) always strikes me as a pretty desperate country, even by African standards. From what I've been reading of Mbujimayi, its electricity and water barely function and its roads aren't much better. Not sure how the church will deal with this.
* Fairbanks in Alaska — a town of 35,000 in the Alaskan bush gets a temple but Scotland doesn't? How many LDS are there in Alaska?! They might as well put one in Newfoundland as well.

The usual assortment of places in areas already well covered e.g. Latin America, the USA and Philippines. Africa probably could do with a few more. Not sure about Dubai other than the place is desperate to be a "global" city.

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I wonder how many of the active Mormons in Europe are actually US Servicemen.

[ransomme]

I wonder how many of the active Mormons in Europe are actually US Servicemen.

Nah, probably not too many. I know of one in the Baltics and haven't met one in the Nordics in over a dozen years. Perhaps in Germany there could be a whole ward of them. But it would be interesting to know

Where are there sizeable bases in Europe?

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I wonder how many of the active Mormons in Europe are actually US Servicemen.

Nah, probably not too many. I know of one in the Baltics and haven't met one in the Nordics in over a dozen years. Perhaps in Germany there could be a whole ward of them. But it would be interesting to know

Where are there sizeable bases in Europe?

Well there's Ramstein, Heidleberg, RAF Lackenheath, Aviano. I think the Frankfurt Temple is attended by quite a few Mormon servicemen stationed at the nearby bases.

[AZRob]

* Fairbanks in Alaska — a town of 35,000 in the Alaskan bush gets a temple but Scotland doesn't? How many LDS are there in Alaska?! They might as well put one in Newfoundland as well.

Having been to Fairbanks recently, I can tell you that the metro Fairbanks area has more like 100,000 people and two stakes. The current nearest temple is six hours away in good weather. By US standards, the member concentration and geographic isolation are enough for a temple these days.

Due to lack of knowledge, I won't speak about Scotland.