Tim Ballard ex’ed

[Seed Starter]

I’ve been listening to John Dehlin for just a few minutes. But he shared this, and also a statement from Tim’s wife saying they are in contact with their ecclesiastical leaders and are keeping it confidential.

He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

ALSO
His guest on the show , Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening. I’m not sure who. The stake president? Or the first presidency? But that’s huge. So gay married couples are okay in the church now?

Bishop's no longer handle issues of excommunication .... those get bumped up to stake presidents/high councils.

That's interesting. Is that so they won't be biased? I would think a bishop would/could know the member's heart more than the SP in many cases which might make for more righteous judgment. Then again I guess the bishop would be the one to refer that person for exco.

[LDS Physician]

I’ve been listening to John Dehlin for just a few minutes. But he shared this, and also a statement from Tim’s wife saying they are in contact with their ecclesiastical leaders and are keeping it confidential.

He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

ALSO
His guest on the show , Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening. I’m not sure who. The stake president? Or the first presidency? But that’s huge. So gay married couples are okay in the church now?

Bishop's no longer handle issues of excommunication .... those get bumped up to stake presidents/high councils.

That's interesting. Is that so they won't be biased? I would think a bishop would/could know the member's heart more than the SP in many cases which might make for more righteous judgment. Then again I guess the bishop would be the one to refer that person for exco.

I agree. The handbook changed years ago so that any case with excommunication as a possible end-point needs to be referred up the ladder. I'm unsure why, actually.

[Rubicon]

I just had someone I know ask someone in Tim's ward if he is exed. This person said NO and that it's all lies due to the senate plans. That person would not confirm what is in LDS tools even though it was part of the question. Maybe they just disfellowshipped him. If they did anything that seems more likely because nothing would change in lds tools. Nothing from Tim on his even though he was very vocal about being in good standing a short time ago. Also just disfellowshipping might give the church more leverage than exing if they needed that for some reason.

As I said, I believe that his posted image is fake. Unless Dehlin's "friend who is a bishop" is actually in Ballard's bishopric (including clerks) or stake presidency, he couldn't access head of household info off of MLS of the kind he posted. Not even LDS Physician could do that, unless he was in the actual stake presidency. Is Dehlin claiming his fifth columnist is actually from that stake?

[gradles21]

Is it even possible for a stake presidency to ex someone based off of allegations alone? That seems unlikely since so many GA's and have had their own accusations to deal with. You would think they would at least wait for the lawsuit to play out, unless TB has admitted his guilt to his bishop or SP.

[Rubicon]

Is it even possible for a stake presidency to ex someone based off of allegations alone? That seems unlikely since so many GA's and have had their own accusations to deal with. You would think they would at least wait for the lawsuit to play out, unless TB has admitted his guilt to his bishop or SP.

It is, but it would come down to a judgment call if the allegations were denied.

Dehlin would have people believe that they concerned hastily and met on a Monday night. Another reason to think he's making this up and fabricating screen shots.

[Telavian]

I just had someone I know ask someone in Tim's ward if he is exed. This person said NO and that it's all lies due to the senate plans. That person would not confirm what is in LDS tools even though it was part of the question. Maybe they just disfellowshipped him. If they did anything that seems more likely because nothing would change in lds tools. Nothing from Tim on his even though he was very vocal about being in good standing a short time ago. Also just disfellowshipping might give the church more leverage than exing if they needed that for some reason.

Disfellowship would mean his records would still be there. This honestly seems like hearsay just as Dehlin's info is.
There is very little proof of anything.

People in his ward might not even know anything about it.

[Rubicon]

I just had someone I know ask someone in Tim's ward if he is exed. This person said NO and that it's all lies due to the senate plans. That person would not confirm what is in LDS tools even though it was part of the question. Maybe they just disfellowshipped him. If they did anything that seems more likely because nothing would change in lds tools. Nothing from Tim on his even though he was very vocal about being in good standing a short time ago. Also just disfellowshipping might give the church more leverage than exing if they needed that for some reason.

Disfellowship would mean his records would still be there. This honestly seems like hearsay just as Dehlin's info is.
There is very little proof of anything.

People in his ward might not even know anything about it.

People in his ward would be able to confirm, via the ward directory, whether or not his name was gone. But like you said, nothing would show if he were disfelliwshipped (membership restrictions) outside of bishopric or clerks.

[gradles21]

Is it even possible for a stake presidency to ex someone based off of allegations alone? That seems unlikely since so many GA's and have had their own accusations to deal with. You would think they would at least wait for the lawsuit to play out, unless TB has admitted his guilt to his bishop or SP.

It is, but it would come down to a judgment call if the allegations were denied.

Dehlin would have people believe that they concerned hastily and met on a Monday night. Another reason to think he's making this up and fabricating screen shots.

But the SP doesn't even know anything yet, only that there are allegations out there from unnamed women. Who in their right mind would ex someone based off of that alone? Unless TB has confessed to them behind closed doors there's no way that he's been ex'd at this point.

[Rubicon]

Is it even possible for a stake presidency to ex someone based off of allegations alone? That seems unlikely since so many GA's and have had their own accusations to deal with. You would think they would at least wait for the lawsuit to play out, unless TB has admitted his guilt to his bishop or SP.

It is, but it would come down to a judgment call if the allegations were denied.

Dehlin would have people believe that they concerned hastily and met on a Monday night. Another reason to think he's making this up and fabricating screen shots.

But the SP doesn't even know anything yet, only that there are allegations out there from unnamed women. Who in their right mind would ex someone based off of that alone? Unless TB has confessed to them behind closed doors there's no way that he's been ex'd at this point.

Exactly. If it's happened, he either confessed to them or it was ordered from Salt Lake. Which is possible, given how the Church has acted about this.

Did anyone see that Sean Reyes vociferously said he was not endorsing Ballard for Senate? Ballard hasn't even announced a Senate run! I think this whole thing was meant to spike the wheel for a Senate run. If he isn't ex'd, all of his still accomplished that purpose.

[spiritMan]

I just had someone I know ask someone in Tim's ward if he is exed. This person said NO and that it's all lies due to the senate plans. That person would not confirm what is in LDS tools even though it was part of the question. Maybe they just disfellowshipped him. If they did anything that seems more likely because nothing would change in lds tools. Nothing from Tim on his even though he was very vocal about being in good standing a short time ago. Also just disfellowshipping might give the church more leverage than exing if they needed that for some reason.

As I said, I believe that his posted image is fake. Unless Dehlin's "friend who is a bishop" is actually in Ballard's bishopric (including clerks) or stake presidency, he couldn't access head of household info off of MLS of the kind he posted. Not even LDS Physician could do that, unless he was in the actual stake presidency. Is Dehlin claiming his fifth columnist is actually from that stake?

It could be real but wrong person, the name is common enough that there are surely multiple names of the wife around.

[spiritMan]

I just had someone I know ask someone in Tim's ward if he is exed. This person said NO and that it's all lies due to the senate plans. That person would not confirm what is in LDS tools even though it was part of the question. Maybe they just disfellowshipped him. If they did anything that seems more likely because nothing would change in lds tools. Nothing from Tim on his even though he was very vocal about being in good standing a short time ago. Also just disfellowshipping might give the church more leverage than exing if they needed that for some reason.

Disfellowship would mean his records would still be there. This honestly seems like hearsay just as Dehlin's info is.
There is very little proof of anything.

People in his ward might not even know anything about it.

People in his ward would be able to confirm, via the ward directory, whether or not his name was gone. But like you said, nothing would show if he were disfelliwshipped (membership restrictions) outside of bishopric or clerks.

So just an FYI, a guy I know in my local ward is ex'd but his name still shows in tools. What is wild is that he and his wife are married, but the tools show them as separate households. They were sealed before his ex.

Personally to me that's a slap in the face. If I'm not a member don't put my name in the directory... to have my name in there with my wife's but not put us under the same household... what a bunch of jerks to do that.

[TwochurchesOnly]

Disfellowship would mean his records would still be there. This honestly seems like hearsay just as Dehlin's info is.
There is very little proof of anything.

People in his ward might not even know anything about it.

People in his ward would be able to confirm, via the ward directory, whether or not his name was gone. But like you said, nothing would show if he were disfelliwshipped (membership restrictions) outside of bishopric or clerks.

So just an FYI, a guy I know in my local ward is ex'd but his name still shows in tools. What is wild is that he and his wife are married, but the tools show them as separate households. They were sealed before his ex.

Personally to me that's a slap in the face. If I'm not a member don't put my name in the directory... to have my name in there with my wife's but not put us under the same household... what a bunch of jerks to do that.

yeah,
tools

[Wolfwoman]

Disfellowship would mean his records would still be there. This honestly seems like hearsay just as Dehlin's info is.
There is very little proof of anything.

People in his ward might not even know anything about it.

People in his ward would be able to confirm, via the ward directory, whether or not his name was gone. But like you said, nothing would show if he were disfelliwshipped (membership restrictions) outside of bishopric or clerks.

So just an FYI, a guy I know in my local ward is ex'd but his name still shows in tools. What is wild is that he and his wife are married, but the tools show them as separate households. They were sealed before his ex.

Personally to me that's a slap in the face. If I'm not a member don't put my name in the directory... to have my name in there with my wife's but not put us under the same household... what a bunch of jerks to do that.

Ridiculous. Different households. They’re still married!

[Wolfwoman]

It is, but it would come down to a judgment call if the allegations were denied.

Dehlin would have people believe that they concerned hastily and met on a Monday night. Another reason to think he's making this up and fabricating screen shots.

But the SP doesn't even know anything yet, only that there are allegations out there from unnamed women. Who in their right mind would ex someone based off of that alone? Unless TB has confessed to them behind closed doors there's no way that he's been ex'd at this point.

Exactly. If it's happened, he either confessed to them or it was ordered from Salt Lake. Which is possible, given how the Church has acted about this.

Did anyone see that Sean Reyes vociferously said he was not endorsing Ballard for Senate? Ballard hasn't even announced a Senate run! I think this whole thing was meant to spike the wheel for a Senate run. If he isn't ex'd, all of his still accomplished that purpose.

My vote is that it came from Salt Lake.

Yeah, I don’t think the senate run looks good at this point. If he’s not ex’ed, he was “effectively ex’ed” with the statement to vice, as Glenn Beck noted on Twitter.

[Nevervaxxed]

It is interesting to see how wild speculations can run.

it is, buit its even wilder how often the speculation ends up being true in this age we are living in... the speculation and all the conspiracy theories are ALL fueled by the rampant lying - there are very few (if any) sources of truth anymore. it's getting insane trying to find truth! The spirit?? we know that many work on our emotions, and then insist it's the spirit testifying... and it's going to get exponentially worse between now and the 2024 election... and beyond, expecially if the elite are successful in stealing another election. if that happens, run for the highest hills. get as far away from "civilization" as possible! And it's more likely than not...

[Robin Hood]

I’ve been listening to John Dehlin for just a few minutes. But he shared this, and also a statement from Tim’s wife saying they are in contact with their ecclesiastical leaders and are keeping it confidential.

He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

ALSO
His guest on the show , Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening. I’m not sure who. The stake president? Or the first presidency? But that’s huge. So gay married couples are okay in the church now?

Bishop's no longer handle issues of excommunication .... those get bumped up to stake presidents/high councils.

They never did if it was a Melchizedek priesthood holder. Are you saying they no longer deal with excommunication for women or Aaronic priesthood holders?

[LDS Physician]

I’ve been listening to John Dehlin for just a few minutes. But he shared this, and also a statement from Tim’s wife saying they are in contact with their ecclesiastical leaders and are keeping it confidential.

He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

ALSO
His guest on the show , Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening. I’m not sure who. The stake president? Or the first presidency? But that’s huge. So gay married couples are okay in the church now?

Bishop's no longer handle issues of excommunication .... those get bumped up to stake presidents/high councils.

They never did if it was a Melchizedek priesthood holder. Are you saying they no longer deal with excommunication for women or Aaronic priesthood holders?

Per the handbook, bishops:

May not hold a council if a man or woman who has received the temple endowment will likely have his or her Church membership withdrawn. A stake membership council must be held in those situations.

A ward or branch membership council may recommend withdrawing a person’s Church membership if he or she has not been endowed. However, the stake president’s approval is required before the decision is final.

Sometimes a ward membership council is held for an endowed member and the proceedings reveal that the member will likely have his or her membership withdrawn. In these situations, the bishop refers the matter to the stake president.


There are other specifics listed but essentially if anyone on the ward level seems to be "worthy" of excommunication, then it gets defaulted to the stake president's final decision.

[Robin Hood]

Bishop's no longer handle issues of excommunication .... those get bumped up to stake presidents/high councils.

They never did if it was a Melchizedek priesthood holder. Are you saying they no longer deal with excommunication for women or Aaronic priesthood holders?

Per the handbook, bishops:

May not hold a council if a man or woman who has received the temple endowment will likely have his or her Church membership withdrawn. A stake membership council must be held in those situations.

A ward or branch membership council may recommend withdrawing a person’s Church membership if he or she has not been endowed. However, the stake president’s approval is required before the decision is final.

Sometimes a ward membership council is held for an endowed member and the proceedings reveal that the member will likely have his or her membership withdrawn. In these situations, the bishop refers the matter to the stake president.


There are other specifics listed but essentially if anyone on the ward level seems to be "worthy" of excommunication, then it gets defaulted to the stake president's final decision.

So the bishop is no longer a judge in Israel.

[Rubicon]

They never did if it was a Melchizedek priesthood holder. Are you saying they no longer deal with excommunication for women or Aaronic priesthood holders?

Per the handbook, bishops:

May not hold a council if a man or woman who has received the temple endowment will likely have his or her Church membership withdrawn. A stake membership council must be held in those situations.

A ward or branch membership council may recommend withdrawing a person’s Church membership if he or she has not been endowed. However, the stake president’s approval is required before the decision is final.

Sometimes a ward membership council is held for an endowed member and the proceedings reveal that the member will likely have his or her membership withdrawn. In these situations, the bishop refers the matter to the stake president.


There are other specifics listed but essentially if anyone on the ward level seems to be "worthy" of excommunication, then it gets defaulted to the stake president's final decision.

So the bishop is no longer a judge in Israel.

Bishops are pretty much young men's president's who sign checks now. I'm glad I was able to be one when they were bishops. And I think it's wearing out EQ and RS presidents to do most of the counseling and running of the ward when they don't have the keys to be judges in Israel.

[Nevervaxxed]

They never did if it was a Melchizedek priesthood holder. Are you saying they no longer deal with excommunication for women or Aaronic priesthood holders?

Per the handbook, bishops:

May not hold a council if a man or woman who has received the temple endowment will likely have his or her Church membership withdrawn. A stake membership council must be held in those situations.

A ward or branch membership council may recommend withdrawing a person’s Church membership if he or she has not been endowed. However, the stake president’s approval is required before the decision is final.

Sometimes a ward membership council is held for an endowed member and the proceedings reveal that the member will likely have his or her membership withdrawn. In these situations, the bishop refers the matter to the stake president.


There are other specifics listed but essentially if anyone on the ward level seems to be "worthy" of excommunication, then it gets defaulted to the stake president's final decision.

So the bishop is no longer a judge in Israel.

I've been on both sides: I was excommunicated 45 years ago in Melbourne, Australia. I was rebatized 2 years later, received my "blessing" (Prriesthood) back 5 years alter. I've been a faithful member, serving in Bishoprics, Elders Pres, YM Pres, and High Council. As a High Councilman I participated in 2 church courts. I never felt anything but love, even when i was on the receiving end... and now I'm inactive... started with the clot shot, which caused me to really start doubting, and therefore studying and researching... and what I've found hasn't been pretty!! FYI, I was exxed for morality issues, NOT for "evil speaking of the Lord's anointed"

[LDS Physician]

They never did if it was a Melchizedek priesthood holder. Are you saying they no longer deal with excommunication for women or Aaronic priesthood holders?

Per the handbook, bishops:

May not hold a council if a man or woman who has received the temple endowment will likely have his or her Church membership withdrawn. A stake membership council must be held in those situations.

A ward or branch membership council may recommend withdrawing a person’s Church membership if he or she has not been endowed. However, the stake president’s approval is required before the decision is final.

Sometimes a ward membership council is held for an endowed member and the proceedings reveal that the member will likely have his or her membership withdrawn. In these situations, the bishop refers the matter to the stake president.


There are other specifics listed but essentially if anyone on the ward level seems to be "worthy" of excommunication, then it gets defaulted to the stake president's final decision.

So the bishop is no longer a judge in Israel.

Only in misdemeanor cases, heh heh

[BKColt]

Point of clarification on the posted image from LCR:

A bishopric or ward clerk or assistant ward clerk of any ward could see such a screen if they began the process of moving a person or family into their ward. They'd just need the birthdate and name of the head of house, and start the process to move the record(s) into an address in their ward ... but then not pull the trigger. Not a very nice thing to do to gather this type of info, IMHO. Records are supposed to be fairly private and sacred. Just sayin'.

[Silver Pie]

I wonder why John D. is so interested in it.

I think he hates the LDS Church and wants to do all he can to make it look as horrible as possible.

[Silver Pie]

Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening.

On the gay couple, it sounds like the bishop was going to excommunicate them, but Gerardo (and friends?) talked to bishop or stake Pres. and said , “look, according to the handbook, it’s not required to excommunicate them. So why do you have a vendetta against them?” So he changed his mind, and he decided not to excommunicate them. Weird times. Weird times….

Well, they were legally married. The temple plainly says you covenant only to have sexual relations to the person you are legally married to (no longer does it say men to women or women to men. That wording changed a long time ago).

[Silver Pie]

Is it even possible for a stake presidency to ex someone based off of allegations alone? That seems unlikely since so many GA's and have had their own accusations to deal with. You would think they would at least wait for the lawsuit to play out, unless TB has admitted his guilt to his bishop or SP.

They could, would, and have, if directed to do so by a 70 acting under the direction of an apostle - or directed to do so by an apostle.
Nelson tried to get Denver's stake president to do it, but he refused, so they called a new stake president, who also refused until they had given him enough "training" to do it. I'm sure Denver isn't the only one this has happened to.