Do all Dogs go to heaven?

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Do all Dogs go to heaven?

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The most authoritative source for Christian doctrine is the bible.

Therefore in answering the do dogs go to heaven question in the Christian perspective, we need to make reference to the bible.

Does the bible say anything about pets going to heaven? More specifically, does the bible say dogs go to heaven? Actually what does the bible say about pets going to heaven?

The truth of the matter is that the bible doesn’t talk directly about dogs or any other pets for that matter going to heaven.

However, there are verses which suggest that pets like dogs may go to heaven.

Psalms 36 verse 6 does talk about God preserving man ‘and beast’. So according to that bible verse dogs go to heaven – at least that is how some people choose to interpret it.

There is also Acts 3:20-21, which talks about restitution of all things. There are those who view this as evidence that dead dogs may be restituted.

Going further, in Isaiah 11:6-9, we do find reference about peaceable relations between animals and humans in the new world and new heaven.

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Maybe not Cujo.

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Probably this one…

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“The Prophet Joseph said he expected to own his horse and dog in eternity.” — Franklin D. Richards (Abraham H. Cannon Diary, 1 October 1895, HBLL)

“He [Joseph Smith] taught that all the animal kingdoms would be resurrected and made us understand that they would remain in the dominion of those who, with creative power, reach out for dominion through the Power of Eternal Lives.” — Benjamin F. Johnson (Benjamin F. Johnson letter to George S. Gibbs, 1903, CHL)

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Considering that my dog is a more pure, innocent, humble, and loving soul than most humans...either my dog is going to heaven, or a whole lotta human souls are going to hell. 😉

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The soul of a dog progresses to that of a human.

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I am not sure what happens to non-human living things. However, if we think that everything living has a sprit that will reanimate at some point then that is a major problem.

There are roughly 8 billion chickens killed per year. 200 million turkeys, 40 million cows, 120 million pigs, and 4 billion fish. Then we get to insects or various other things where there is easily trillions of them that die per year.
https://animalclock.org/

If these all come back to life at some point, then we would need a planet that is 1000x larger. Even this then would necessitate continents filled with entire kingdoms of chickens, turkeys, and pigs. There would also likely be billions of mosquitos per human on earth. How would that even look that? The sky would turn black every time they moved from place to place.

I think it is far more likely that not everything living has a spirit and not all sprits will come back to earth at some point.

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Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 5:56 am The soul of a dog progresses to that of a human.
Agreed.

For a long time I was in the MMP but not reincarnation (between species) camp.

My current belief is that we go thru a 7 stage progression (the number 7 keeps cropping up!) and I still think that some stages we may repeat many times, i.e. possibly many human lives before we are ready to progress to the next stage.

Intelligences are intelligences. We do not start out as some of us human intelligences and some of us dog intelligences imho. ALL intelligence desires progression, and over millennia and eons will do so.

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The animal pet souls can be seen 2 ways.

Constantly in prison

Vonstantly in fear of mafia and thus obeying orders

They r called animals because that us theur soul caliber mostly. They do not know how ur society rules work. Try teaching a pet cat or dog ur laws and society rules

Humanity s unethical treatment of animal souls is also another permanent black mark on the record. All of eternity. Enjoy the reaping

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Telavian wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:44 am I am not sure what happens to non-human living things. However, if we think that everything living has a sprit that will reanimate at some point then that is a major problem.

There are roughly 8 billion chickens killed per year. 200 million turkeys, 40 million cows, 120 million pigs, and 4 billion fish. Then we get to insects or various other things where there is easily trillions of them that die per year.
https://animalclock.org/

If these all come back to life at some point, then we would need a planet that is 1000x larger. Even this then would necessitate continents filled with entire kingdoms of chickens, turkeys, and pigs. There would also likely be billions of mosquitos per human on earth. How would that even look that? The sky would turn black every time they moved from place to place.

I think it is far more likely that not everything living has a spirit and not all sprits will come back to earth at some point.
Animal spirits are from a network of elemental earth spirit. Basically the earth births them via a kind of fractal derivation or parthenogenesis.

So the animals and elementals are like copies. Not unqiue souls. If they fail to grafuatr, they are recycled back into earth s soul.

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Original_Intent wrote: September 15th, 2023, 8:38 am Intelligences are intelligences. We do not start out as some of us human intelligences and some of us dog intelligences imho. ALL intelligence desires progression, and over millennia and eons will do so.
In my opinion too.
Telavian wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:44 am I am not sure what happens to non-human living things. However, if we think that everything living has a sprit that will reanimate at some point then that is a major problem.

There are roughly 8 billion chickens killed per year. 200 million turkeys, 40 million cows, 120 million pigs, and 4 billion fish. Then we get to insects or various other things where there is easily trillions of them that die per year.
https://animalclock.org/

If these all come back to life at some point, then we would need a planet that is 1000x larger. Even this then would necessitate continents filled with entire kingdoms of chickens, turkeys, and pigs. There would also likely be billions of mosquitos per human on earth. How would that even look that? The sky would turn black every time they moved from place to place.

I think it is far more likely that not everything living has a spirit and not all sprits will come back to earth at some point.
Your math is off. If they keep being reborn, you can't count all their incarnations. A million cows who continue to reincarnate a 1000 times are still just a million cows.

I agree with OI, all intelligence is an intelligence regardless of what type of flesh is superimposed over it.

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 15th, 2023, 4:10 pm Your math is off. If they keep being reborn, you can't count all their incarnations. A million cows who continue to reincarnate a 1000 times are still just a million cows.

I agree with OI, all intelligence is an intelligence regardless of what type of flesh is superimposed over it.
You are making an assumption of everything being reborn and no unique spirits.
We certainly don't know either way.

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dreamtheater76 wrote: June 13th, 2022, 4:25 pm Maybe not Cujo.
Or the dog in the Omen.

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Telavian wrote: September 15th, 2023, 4:28 pm You are making an assumption of everything being reborn and no unique spirits.
We certainly don't know either way.
I agree that we don't know, it's just friendly speculation here, but I'm just saying that because you said: "However, if we think that everything living has a sprit that will reanimate at some point then that is a major problem." I'm just saying that the math isn't the same in both scenarios. Your depiction of mosquito swarms blotting out the sun wouldn't fit because you can't keep recounting them every time they are born again. But, if that's not the case, then yes, there would be a whole lot of everything that needs a place to live.

In any case, I'm sure God is perfectly capable of creating each level of intelligence its own sphere to live in. I don't think that's the point though to never return to mortality. I think that's the only way that intelligences can continue to become more intelligence, so the purpose of all intelligence is to keep returning to mortality so they can continue to increase in intelligence.

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Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 5:56 am The soul of a dog progresses to that of a human.
I agree. All intelligence has the ability to move up the intelligence ladder.

Which puts a whole new perspective on the Savior's words: "inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of these".

Remember that time you got angry and kicked the family dog. Oops!

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 16th, 2023, 9:27 am I agree that we don't know, it's just friendly speculation here, but I'm just saying that because you said: "However, if we think that everything living has a sprit that will reanimate at some point then that is a major problem." I'm just saying that the math isn't the same in both scenarios. Your depiction of mosquito swarms blotting out the sun wouldn't fit because you can't keep recounting them every time they are born again. But, if that's not the case, then yes, there would be a whole lot of everything that needs a place to live.

In any case, I'm sure God is perfectly capable of creating each level of intelligence its own sphere to live in. I don't think that's the point though to never return to mortality. I think that's the only way that intelligences can continue to become more intelligence, so the purpose of all intelligence is to keep returning to mortality so they can continue to increase in intelligence.
I do think that it would be terribly unfair if something like a mosquito has an intelligence that is stuck at that level for all eternity. Therefore, I think we would have to have the opportunity to develop and grow into more capable versions. However, I certainly don't know how that would look like.

I think what we call heaven is very likely just a slightly improved mortality. In that "heaven" then there will likely be a "heaven 2.0" which is a slightly improve mortality from that and so on. We are on an ever ascending ladder and there is no way we can get to God without a very large number of steps.

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Telavian wrote: September 16th, 2023, 9:38 am We are on an ever ascending ladder
The more I think about it the more I realize that that ladder is mortal incarnations. I get more and more convinced, but I could be wrong.

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 17th, 2023, 4:09 pm The more I think about it the more I realize that that ladder is mortal incarnations. I get more and more convinced, but I could be wrong.
It does make sense. We like to think of a "heaven" like existence before this life and after. However if all that is true then how did we learn the lessons we did? If we can learn them in a cushy environment then why the need for Earth?

However if we were capable of learning from our mistakes before this life then that is fundamentally the same as mortality. Therefore it is all functionally the same. We died there to come to here so I see no difference really.

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Telavian wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:44 am I am not sure what happens to non-human living things. However, if we think that everything living has a sprit that will reanimate at some point then that is a major problem.

There are roughly 8 billion chickens killed per year. 200 million turkeys, 40 million cows, 120 million pigs, and 4 billion fish. Then we get to insects or various other things where there is easily trillions of them that die per year.
https://animalclock.org/

If these all come back to life at some point, then we would need a planet that is 1000x larger. Even this then would necessitate continents filled with entire kingdoms of chickens, turkeys, and pigs. There would also likely be billions of mosquitos per human on earth. How would that even look that? The sky would turn black every time they moved from place to place.

I think it is far more likely that not everything living has a spirit and not all sprits will come back to earth at some point.
All living things have a spirit. All spirits are in a state of progression. Intelligence was not created. It always was. We know that a single atom is intelligent because it's "planets" revolve around the nucleus in a precise manner. If there was no intelligence in an atom, the movements would be random.
It is likely, that all of those chickens you speak of may no longer need to be a chicken. Chickens are not very smart. Like rabbits, they have not yet been gifted with the freedom of choice. Animals that run on instinct are more like computer code. They do the same thing over and over. They can not sin because they do not have the ability to choose. When a rabbit is frightened, it runs in whatever direction it is already headed. Maybe under your tire or maybe it gets away. It does not occur to a rabbit that you will not drive off of the road and chase it down in the brush. It does not think about those things because it can not. A dog or a cat does have freedom of choice. They look both ways before crossing a street. They know I will not run them over when I come home. They are not frightened by my truck and know they can sit beside where I park and they will be safe. They know I will give them love when I get out of my truck. Rabbits do not have these luxuries. So if a chicken learns how to do chicken things, it may be able to progress into not chicken things. Like where it can have courage. They don't call them chicken for nothing. Maybe they can progress into a creature that has freedom of choice and give that a whirl. I never read a scripture that says a chicken is a chicken forever.

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I'm not sure all dogs will but we certainly form strong bonds with some pets.

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Somewhere in the Book of Enoch there is mention of the animals participating in the judgment of mankind where they will be witnesses for or against us. I know I can count on the cats but there are a few dogs out there that may have it in for me.

Mike

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