Who are the Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4?

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Shawn Henry wrote: May 27th, 2023, 3:07 pm
onefour1 wrote: May 27th, 2023, 12:28 am It is basic doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that Satan and his minions were denied the ability to gain bodies of flesh and bones so I don't believe they have the ability to take on flesh and bones of their own will. This is why they try to possess others bodies. Its not a power that they have. Not sure what you mean by "memory holed".
I know it's basic doctrine, but it's not doctrinal, meaning the scriptures seem to indicate otherwise. It is more accurate to say it is common belief or a learned precept.

The brethren do not let Deseret Book sell Miracle of Forgiveness. They are embarrassed by how it is fodder for the critics. They more or less disavow it.
How could you say it is not doctrine or doctrinal? Jesus himself taught that a spirit hath not flesh and bones.

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

If spirit did have flesh and bones that would make Jesus Christ himself a liar.

What are the problems that they have with the book "Miracle of Forgiveness" exactly? I have not known a prophet since Spencer W. Kimball who exuded the spirit as strongly as he did.

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onefour1 wrote: May 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm Jesus himself taught that a spirit hath not flesh and bones.
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying it is a learned precept that his followers aren't born into bodies like we are. The scriptures seem to indicate otherwise. In this thread the Nephilim or giants are just one example. Giants are not created in the image of God. They have 6 fingers on each hand and have two rows of teeth on each jaw. So, in whose image were they created and who is their father?

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I believe as fallen man we are subject to genetic defects caused by who knows what, but we are still children of God born in his image and llikeness.
Those with multiple rows of teeth

I don't really think that because people are born tall, born with multiple fingers or multiple rows of teeth that they are somehow regarded as not of God but alien creatures.

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The most high created humans gods aliens ets. Well directly or indirectly. So we all come from the same divine source but perhaps that is too far away for most to remember now. So instead michael fights the dragon serpent heyl el people and we fight over whatever it is now.

The term bene ha elohim is not so much a term relating to bloodline as it refers to inheritance, authority, closeness. In ancient societies royalty only trusted dynastic kin and sons had nearly equal power to their father when father was absent.

Also 32 ft giants are not made out of flesh and bones. But some kind of crystal for bone. The materials back then had giant crystal trees even.

The smithsonian destroys the 9 and 12 ft giant bones. Those r made out of bone.

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abijah wrote: May 25th, 2023, 4:29 pm a+ research 👌 video is timestamped
this one might be better to start with.
1:00 - 2:00
Wishes these subjects were talked about more in Christian churches, about 99% of churches don't teach any prehistory or prophecy, neglect the full context of the bible, leaving dangling questions and unanswered threads.

2:00 - 6:00
Talks about his upcoming book, sequel to his original, and about certain censorship speedbumps which have come up causig it's release to be delayed.

6:00 - 9:00
Upcoming speaking events and various topics he'll be covering.

9:00 - 10:20
Gary likes 1 Enoch a lot, whereas not so much 2 Enoch (aka 'Secrets of Enoch'), 3 Enoch, or the Book of Giants. Remarks how the Book of the Giants might be slightly better han 2 & 3 Enoch due to being a bit more biblically consistent, however it's fragmentary and there's not enough if it, as well as there being some dubious connections to the manichean book of giants, which he finds concerning.

10:20 - 11:10
Discusses how his approach is basically to measure how any noncanonical text compares and aligns with the bible, which functions as his touchstone. When things work consistently with the context of the bible, hes inclined to take them a bit more seriously than things that don't. Likes to keep a strict standard regarding extrabiblical literature.

11:10 - 13:40
Regarding the Book of Enoch, he finds it very interesting we don't have a full hebrew manuscript which is "one of the big issues", we have fragments but only very little of the complete text. We have surviving versions of it in Aramaic, Greek and Geez, the latter being his preferred version. Considers 1 Enoch to be very consistent with the bible, about 99%, and while it does provide extra detail, none of it is contradictory or is heading in a different direction than the bible is. Points out how the bible is pretty stingy on the details leading up to the flood in Genesis 6. Mentions that there were 70 scrolls of the hagiographa of ancient Israel and Judah that isn't a part of the canon. Suspects 1 Enoch was once part of the broader canon, and common knowledge. There's terminology in 1 Enoch that aligns exactly with how it's used in scripture, like "sons of God", and "watcher"

13:40 - 16:57
The ophanim: a group of angels who are a subgroup of the watchers (in the book of Enoch there's the "archangels", the "seraphim", the "cherubim", and the "ophanim". The word “watcher” means to be wakeful (watch with me..”), to be awake/conscious, the idea being that these entities are continuously awake day and night, performing their functions. The ophanim are actually in Ezekiel chapters 1, 3 and 10, where the prophet sees the merkabah vision of God’s chariot. The ophanim are the wheel-angels (wheels within wheels). The term for wheel is “gilgal” (also means “wave” or “rolling”) which also connects with the “gilgal raphaim”, or ”the wheel of the giants”, which is at the foot of Mt Hermon. The wheel angels (or is there another spirit inside the wheels/ophanim, which is distinct from them? 🤔) are described as being cherubish, in that they also have 4 faces, however 1 of those 4 *is* the face of cherub… interesting. The ophanim also have numerous eyes, all along the periphery of their revolution.

16:57 - 21:25
Some people have wondered if Ezekiels vision of “wheels within wheels” is some sort of technological gyro, but Gary clarifies how theres clearly also an organic element to these beings (it’s covered in eyes, for one), as well as having interdimensional qualities. As an angel, they might be some type of fusion b/w the animalistic elements of the cherubim & seraphim (who are hybrid-animal monsters), somehow combined with some sort of advanced sacred technology. Mentions how in the Book of Revelation that the “four living beasts” are often thought to be the four cherubim of Ezekiel, however the “four living beasts” have 6 wings (whereas the cherubim have 2, and the ophanim have none - but the seraphim have 6), while the “four living beasts” also have 4 faces (just like the cherubim and the ophanim - but not the seraphim), plus the “four living beasts” are described as “full of eyes” (a quality of the ophanim). Are the “four living beasts” some type of combined mosaic of all the total imagery of the various watcher order of angels, some kind of inter-tessellated mega-watchers? Or some kind of ‘symbolic metaphor’ (whatever that means) that *all* the different types/classes of watchers are there present before the throne (nothing missing)? Gary suspects this imagery of angelic amalgamation suggests that, moving forward in God’s plan, that perhaps these angels aren’t going to hold the same position that they have been now going forward, that there’s some type of change/transition which has taken place in God’s throne room by the time of Revelation 4 (which also speaks to the 24 elders showing up) at the endtime and moving forward to the millennium, however Gary notes that this doesn’t apply to the seven archangels who still remain distinct and aren’t amalgamated. Eric draws comparison to Planck’s Constant, and shares a “biblically accurate christmas-tree topper” meme (hideous), and Gary makes offhand reference to the “thelemic tree also known as the cedar of mt hermon)

21:25 - 24:32
Asks Gary about the enochian phrase “angels of power, and angels of principalities”, asks if those are the same rank/categories or if they’re separate. Gary says they are separate and that in translations to English they often get mixed-up sometimes. Goes back to Greek term “archae” meaning “principality, sometimes “ruler”, the archae being “lower level” on the overall hierarchy, with the watchers on the top, then a level of intermediary angels, and below them a class of messenger/soldier angels. Talks about how all the orders (seraphim, ophanim, cherubim etc) probably all have their own internal structures/hierarchies, while also participating and having their own place in the overall broader angelic hierarchy.

24:32 - 25:24
Eric asks Gary to clarify how many different types of angels there are to which he answers probably 9 or 10. Says it might vary on classification, uses an example of the “mighty angels” found in Revelation (specifically the Greek term “ischuros”, meaning “strong”) so as to distinguish from the other angels mentioned in the New Testament, who’re usually rather termed “holy angels”.

25:24 - 29:20
Eric asks about the Semjaza episode atop mt hermon, and specifically what the broader biblical significance of what mt hermon represents. Eric briefly summarises the events of the 1 Enoch hermon narrative, how there’s a rebellious confederacy of angels, leaders of other angels and all under Semjaza, where they come together to form a pact and swear an oath, acknowledging it as “a very grievous sin”, in disrobing their angelic glory so as to unite with daughters of men, which ends up with them punished by God and locked up in the abyss. Gary makes a point that this is important both before and after the flood. Remarks that indeed the term “sons of God” refers to divine beings, as attested in the rest of the Old Testament especially Job 1 & 2, which clearly show the interchangeability of this term with “angels”, “holy ones”, “hosts of heaven” or “watchers” (in the case of Daniel 4). Gary calls the oath of the watchers the “harem anathema”, the accursed oath of mt hermon to carry out the oath to the very end, no matter what the consequences. Come from the hebrew term “haram”. On a different scale, this represents the broader oath-based nephilim society they’re establishing before the flood and how it’s this system of control by means of forbidden/accursed oaths by which the old antediluvian order can get carried-on and/or reborn after (“..the nephilim were in the land in those days, also afterward…”). Points out how after the flood, there becomes an association with swearing to the baalim at mt hermon, they being the ones in ugaritic texts accredited to creating the raphaim/giants. Oaths to the baalim would’ve been similar to the original “harem anathema”, which is more or less the oath-based world we ‘swim in’ to this day. Eric makes comparison to Jepthah in the book of Judges perhaps taking an unnecessary oath that he didn’t need to because God was going to give him victory anyway.

29:20 - 37:05
If the nephilim were all wiped out with the flood, then how did they wind up back on the scene again? Eric makes a point that just because angels created nephilim and fell before doesn’t mean the same thing can’t happen again per se, but then also makes a comment on how the angelic sin being described in the New Testament by Peter and Jude, in them foregoing their proper estate to “disrobe their outer bodies” to unite with human women. Gary prefers the “second incursion “ theory, as opposed to all the other theories of how the nephilim *survived* the flood somehow, and that the terminological distinction between “nephilim” and the later postdiluvian “raphaim” speaks to this. Irregardless, Gary states he recognises that there were perhaps some ways in which they could have survive the flood. One is the theory of an alternate ark, and that this type of method would fall under the umbrella`category of ‘help from fallen angels’. Mentions that not only are there universal flood myths from around the world, but that many of these are actually giant-survival stories as well. Prominen among these poatdivian myths is the epic of Gilgamesh, who is an example of a nephilim created after the flood, being the son of Lugulbanda king of Uruk and the fertility goddess Ninsun. Epic of Gilgamesh also has other archetypal nephilim-like characters (who’re also 2/3 god and 1/3 human, just like Gilgamesh and Enkidu) who are chosen by fallen angels to survive the flood by means of an ark supplied by fallen angels. Also makes mention of Deucalion (the “Greek Noah”) and Pyrrha, Deucalion being both a giant, as well as the son of Prometheus, making his myth another giant-survival story. Also posits the ideas that fallen angels could potentially take the giants into the earth (another dimension?) or that they could potentially take them off the earth, like w/ Deucalion. Another umbrella category of nephilim-survival theories is that giants maybe somehow survived on Noah’s ark, which Gary considers the least convincing. Enumerates some various theories, lol polytheists who think Ham was somehow a giant, or even that Noah and his whole family were actually giants, whereas others suggest something to do with tubal-Cain or king Og being stowaways somehow. Also, some Christians have speculated whether it was the wives who carried the nephilim “dna” and that this gets passed on to the canaanites etc. Gary points out that if you look at Genesis 6 & 7, God specifically says that He will destroy everything *He* created, and that this doesn’t necessarily include the nephilim since He didn’t create them. So maybe the fallen angels are still permitted to use their agency.

37:05 - 41:45
Hones in on what Semjaza says in 1 Enoch 6 about not wanting to be the sole guilty party as they’re squaring up to do the deed, worried the others won’t end up going through with it. therefore they take the according oaths, in order that they might be mutually bound-up in their sin. Gary sums up the template of the forsworn angels plan to raise up the “demigods”, who then in turn lead humanity away from the true God, and to swat oaths of allegiance as well as to direct worship to the demonic pantheon of hermon. The point is that the demigods are there to bring about not only the physical destruction of mankind, but also to corrupt them spiritually, so as to preclude them from reaching their destiny in all ways. Ultimately the conspiracy seems to be that only the demigods and their offspring will be the inhabitants of this world, and to dupe mankind into accepting a destiny that is fundamentally *less* than what God intended, specifically to tempt them to become like angels somehow, receiving the angelic lot rather than Christs.

Anyway I’m burnt out for now, might finish the rest later.

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onefour1 wrote: May 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: May 27th, 2023, 3:07 pm
onefour1 wrote: May 27th, 2023, 12:28 am It is basic doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that Satan and his minions were denied the ability to gain bodies of flesh and bones so I don't believe they have the ability to take on flesh and bones of their own will. This is why they try to possess others bodies. Its not a power that they have. Not sure what you mean by "memory holed".
I know it's basic doctrine, but it's not doctrinal, meaning the scriptures seem to indicate otherwise. It is more accurate to say it is common belief or a learned precept.

The brethren do not let Deseret Book sell Miracle of Forgiveness. They are embarrassed by how it is fodder for the critics. They more or less disavow it.
How could you say it is not doctrine or doctrinal? Jesus himself taught that a spirit hath not flesh and bones.

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

If spirit did have flesh and bones that would make Jesus Christ himself a liar.
In Genesis 18, pre-incarnate Jesus visits Abraham where he lounges under a tree, eats some food and has his feet washed.

Later on in the video I attempted to summarise, the guy makes a connection between this and the Greek scriptural term oiketerion, which is a little-used word in the NT that means something like the "dwelling"/"tent"/"house", specifically an appointed tabernacle for a divine being. A spiritual body.

Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
  • 2 Corinthians 5
    1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
    2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
    3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
    4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
When the fallen sons of God rebelled, it's like they "disrobed" themselves of their immortal glory so as to obtain a forbidden tabernacle, whereby they might start their own lineage and name with mortal women (counterfeit Marys), thus betraying and blaspheming Christ.

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Generally speaking they disrobed from their density dimension. In order to descend to here they need to adopt the matter density here. The dna is what allows spirit to configure matter. In the higher dimensions they also have matter but it is not our carbon system chains.

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abijah wrote: May 28th, 2023, 4:05 pm
abijah wrote: May 25th, 2023, 4:29 pm a+ research 👌 video is timestamped
this one might be better to start with.
thanks for taking the time to write that summary. Very interesting. It's been way to long since I looked through the book of Enoch.

one item that was unusual was the "wheel". There is a recurring experience among some of those that have used the psychedelic, DMT. They have a vision of a turning wheel of light that seems to be producing something. Some have postulated that it is actually churning out the projection of this world based on the thoughts and expectations of everyone here as well as the 'Gods'. A super high tech projector which is fed all the variables of what we are manifesting spiritually which then are created in this physical world.

the giants are an interesting topic for me. When I researched out the 'giants of Kandahar' I became convinced that they do exist. Many decades ago, I was given a vision of giants with red hair. I have no idea of what that meant.

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Ymarsakar wrote: May 28th, 2023, 5:04 pm Generally speaking they disrobed from their density dimension. In order to descend to here they need to adopt the matter density here. The dna is what allows spirit to configure matter. In the higher dimensions they also have matter but it is not our carbon system chains.
This seems logical to me. However I should point out that this explanation only speaks to physical, mechanical causality. "Density", "DNA", "carbon system chains", these are all *material* phenomena, "material" in that they only apply to the realm of matter, which etymologically resembles the latin/greek root "mater"/"meter", which is also where we get the word "mother", seeing as the physical/material/earthly realm (things seen) symbolically correspond with the natural Feminine, whereas the spiritual/conceptual/heavenly realm (things unseen) corresponds with the divine Masculine.

We tend to conceptualise spiritual/heavenly mechanics and phenomena in physical/material terms, because we are fallen. But the spiritual element is the aspect that makes us *sojourners* in this world. Later on in the video I summarised, they consider how the mark of the beast will indeed entail a physical/material transformation (DNA corruption with genetics of fallen`angels/nephilim?), but that this is only part of what the animal-mark does, that ultimately it would appear that the mark functions as a counterfeit of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit ("no forgiveness in this world, or the world to come..").

It's the 'spirit' part of us that matters in this war, and it's the primary aspect of humanity that the devil, the forsworn angels, and the nephilim/raphaim want to snuff-out (the whole point of the gadianton-sponsored 'birds aren't real' psyop-meme), the part of us that can't be replicated and of which, satan "hath nothing in..", since Michael & co. shoved him out/down.

John 14
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
  • Revelation 12
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
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FrankOne wrote: May 28th, 2023, 5:38 pmone item that was unusual was the "wheel". There is a recurring experience among some of those that have used the psychedelic, DMT. They have a vision of a turning wheel of light that seems to be producing something. Some have postulated that it is actually churning out the projection of this world based on the thoughts and expectations of everyone here as well as the 'Gods'. A super high tech projector which is fed all the variables of what we are manifesting spiritually which then are created in this physical world.
Very interesting, and it makes sense. Later in the video, he even makes some mention of "elves" and "fairies", and their nephilimic qualities in folklore. One of the hallmark motifs surrounding DMT trips are the "machine elves" (organic body + technological aspect ------> just like the ophanim), and who're also known as the "clockwork elves" (clocks - and Time in general - are constituted of wheels, because Time is circular, like wheels). They also (DMT entities), supposingly according to repeated reports, have a predilection to indoctrinate the tripper with false Creation mythology/origin, there's a common, even obvious thread, between the common reportings of DMT trip reports, and the entities they find trying to convince them that human origins aren't what the scriptures teach, but rather suspiciously similar to the propaganda of forsworn angels, and their blasphemous offspring.

That actually connects some real dots, thanks for helping me see that association 👍

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If u were to energize my energy id here to the left. It would be wheels within boxes within wheels. Concentric fractal circles.
FrankOne wrote: May 28th, 2023, 5:38 pm
abijah wrote: May 28th, 2023, 4:05 pm
abijah wrote: May 25th, 2023, 4:29 pm a+ research 👌 video is timestamped
this one might be better to start with.
thanks for taking the time to write that summary. Very interesting. It's been way to long since I looked through the book of Enoch.

one item that was unusual was the "wheel". There is a recurring experience among some of those that have used the psychedelic, DMT. They have a vision of a turning wheel of light that seems to be producing something. Some have postulated that it is actually churning out the projection of this world based on the thoughts and expectations of everyone here as well as the 'Gods'. A super high tech projector which is fed all the variables of what we are manifesting spiritually which then are created in this physical world.

the giants are an interesting topic for me. When I researched out the 'giants of Kandahar' I became convinced that they do exist. Many decades ago, I was given a vision of giants with red hair. I have no idea of what that meant.

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A common japanese culture channeling is the idea of fighting against an elohim, gods, who are machine. I have seen this in their uncensored non mainstream art and writings so often i am led to the conclusion this is their dna memory. The forgotten war wirh the gods and fallen angels.

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Ymarsakar wrote: May 28th, 2023, 8:15 pm A common japanese culture channeling is the idea of fighting against an elohim, gods, who are machine. I have seen this in their uncensored non mainstream art and writings so often i am led to the conclusion this is their dna memory. The forgotten war wirh the gods and fallen angels.
The Japanese term for “god” (“elohim”) is “kami”, who are well-worth reading about (historically, the Japanese are well aware of their overlords, they literally have an imperial nephilim ritual that lasts to this day).

What are nukes? Splitting of the Adam? It’s no wonder that Japan has become a bizarre hub of culture, of artwork and technology, as if *someone* gave *themselves* license to bring about their *own* splitting (via Japan).

What animates that?? 🤔 How does Japan dominate culture and technology, being a wee little Island? 🤔

If nothing else was a sign of the times of Noah, then at least we have anime. Simulacra incarnate, bug-eyed feminine elementals who embody the standard tropes of femininity (clearly the Japanese have had something *done* to them, a universal cucking, as if all the women in Japanese society became the testical-owners rather than the men.

For the most part, I kinda think anime is bad for western young people, and I know gadianton platforms for indoctrination when I see them (the West, most affected?) Stories, things that engage the imagination, that spark a childlike sense of wonder in adults, also seem like trapdoors to pediphilia, transgender Ian and all other manner of ambiguous/hybridic boundaries.

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Japan and federation are all part of my master plan

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Ive been reading a lot of Emanuel Swedenborgs writings and he writes that people do not necessarily marry but when we die we become angels and in this state we find one that we are connected with whether it be our earthly spouse or one we meet after death. We join with them and travel through the rest of our existence with that spouse. Its also quite evident that Joseph Smith plagiarized a lot of Swedenborgs ideas.

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Ymarsakar wrote: May 28th, 2023, 9:05 pm Japan and federation are all part of my master plan
The master plan to remake ‘Attack on Titan’, perhaps? (Apparently giants need to be killed at the head/neck, like how David killed Goliath, and how ‘giants’ in the anime must needs be killed (or they heal themselves).

Otherwise I have no idea what you’re talking about, do you have some *seed* in Japanese media, which you expect to be ready to germinate? Why should Japan fear Western media influence?

The eastern-asian masses barely know Christ even at all. What could they do, that genuinely bests their betters, outside of undue help?

It’s interesting to me, how post-WWII music has its “inspiritation”, came definitely through *totally* wholesome means, as if no one ever hurt anyone else in order to make music or culture.

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Which or whose version of Genesis? OK, not the IV of RLDS/Coc aka JST, but the KJV.

Let me see which it is in the IV as I have a comparison volume of the changes by Joseph Smith. OK, the comparison of KJV 6:1-4 is in IV 8:2-9. These "sons of god' or "angels" are not in the same timeline of Sodom & Gomorrah, but before the flood.

I might add that that this is saying that after the flood, man will then be reduced to ages of about 120, not like the patriarchs of old which get into ages of 900 or so.

I somehow have felt that Sodom & Gomorrah were much further east than the Middle East. When I first read about Mohenjo-Daro & Harappa in the Indus valley, I felt those two were the two cities described as Sodom & Gomorroh. Recently we have discussed Abraham (changed from Abram (A-Brahm) of the Brahmic faith of ancient times, before it was corrupted even more.

Also, in the days of Noah, the ark & the Patriarchs (including Enoch) were over here. I might add an interesting item as well. If you calculate time at Zero Point using the age of Adam, you will find that Methuselah died at age 969, the year of the flood. I sense that Methuselah sealed the ark from outside (and probably wished Noah the very best in his journey). Noah & the ark, left the North American continent. And landed across the ocean "the flood", in the Middle East, according to the Book of Aaron. The excerpt is pretty specific, it was not across the flooded river as some scholars speculate.

I suggest the small book on Sodom & Gomorroh by Rocco Errico, understudy of George Lamsa who put out the LT (Lamsa Translation) translated from the Peshitta (the Aramaic OT & NT). Again, the timeline of this event is much further back than many can comprehend. Most do not run the numbers. Errico notes some of the misinterpretation of the texts, as well as one of the cities did not exist there in the Middle East. And he explains what was probably going on in the cities, akin to brutal intimidation of foreigners. Kind of like gangs may be like nowadays.

From what I have gathered, we are looking at Noah's flood about 28,000 BC/BCE. And then about 5500 BC/BCE for the Exodus of Moses. So that places Joseph of Egypt further back & Abraham slightly before that.

Oh, back to these so-called "sons of God" in this reference point. Hang on, let me find something first. Sidenote: In 'The Revelations of the Metatron' transcribed from the Golden Pyramid in South America (which I sense was near Lake Titicaca), were golden pillars with inscriptions. When they got to a certain portion, it noted there have been 144,000 Adams & Eves (maybe not just upon this globe we call Earth, though). This coincides to the portion in D&C 22:21c of the RLDS-CoC as to Moses being told there have been many Adams & Eves (actually it only notes many Adams). This is also found in LDS Pearl of Great Price- Moses 1:34. Then eventually further it shares that the angel were taking women for their wives & bearing Nephilim & Raphiem (the giants). There is on portion near the start that notes this: "For every positive in all the World, there must be a like amount of negative To keep the force in balance."

OK, I finally found it on p. 171, which relates in the section translated & subtitled (for reference) "The Angels Take to Wife the Daughters of Man" footnoted #34 which notes it is referring to Genesis 6:1-4. I am out of time, so I will have to type this up Monday night. Whew! It may take awhile, as it looks to be about 4 pages at least that I will be typing up. But it specifies two groups of angels- the angels of God & the angels of Baal (formerly Bael). It shares about the two other names of beings- Nephilim & Raphiem given in Genesis.

Interesting though as Edgar Cayce in his Readings referred to two groups in the days of Atlantis as "the sons of the Law of ONE" & "the sons of Baal".

To be continued ...

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I first started this strategy in 2007 ish. I had already felt an aversion to holly movies and tv. But figuring out how to awaken humans to thus and get them to boycott holly magick was rather improbable.

At the time i thought it easier to replace people s desire with entertainment with something that taught them useful principles. I discovered that japanese anime had a non satanic influence that i could use to supplant western decadence.

Shows like naruto and dragon ball z had elements of family, divine masculinity, and other elements that the west sorely needed if they were to confront evil.

This subconsciously i began to manifest this and over a long period of time first anime and then visual novels were brought to the west. At first of course i was doing this mostly for myself as i did not have my current status or skills. My mentality was different too.

After 2016, i reconnected to my divine memories and dna and my team began working more on it.

Nobody sane on my team wanta the east to accept vatican s christianity. Their self protection is useful in reducing foreign interference but they cannot achieve independence due to threat of nato until federation created brics.

Attack on titan is another channeled matetial which the west resonates with. The forum admin here has a saitama avatar. That is another one that is popular with the american young blacks.

Slowly but surely toxic feminity and toxic masculinity is replaced by subtle and hidden messages from the east.

I am quite pleased at the success. The nsa and cia discounted this avenue because it does notnlook serious but it inflicted serious irreversible damage on satan s operations.

America had been converted by my plans to the point where pre apocalypse they had elected donald. Including california and black communities. This required the cia to intervene in elections.

They move according to the divine script so to speak.
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Ymarsakar wrote: May 28th, 2023, 9:05 pm Japan and federation are all part of my master plan
The master plan to remake ‘Attack on Titan’, perhaps? (Apparently giants need to be killed at the head/neck, like how David killed Goliath, and how ‘giants’ in the anime must needs be killed (or they heal themselves).

Otherwise I have no idea what you’re talking about, do you have some *seed* in Japanese media, which you expect to be ready to germinate? Why should Japan fear Western media influence?

The eastern-asian masses barely know Christ even at all. What could they do, that genuinely bests their betters, outside of undue help?

It’s interesting to me, how post-WWII music has its “inspiritation”, came definitely through *totally* wholesome means, as if no one ever hurt anyone else in order to make music or culture.

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So where is the evidence?
Erastothenes wrote: May 28th, 2023, 9:13 pm Ive been reading a lot of Emanuel Swedenborgs writings. Its also quite evident that Joseph Smith plagiarized a lot of Swedenborgs ideas.

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Niemand wrote: May 25th, 2023, 4:51 am
Who are the Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4?
Both Peter and Jude mention angels who sinned and were judged by God….

The sons of God were the descendants of Seth.
This interpretation says that “the sons of God” were descendants of the godly line of Seth and that “the daughters of men” refers to the ungodly descendants of Cain…
My first impression is the usual self-righteous notion that only our idea of God is right & is God - all else is inferior & bad.

How can this be likened to us today?

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Heiser simply noted that the sons of seth was an anachronism. Meaning seth was not there at the time.

The lds aggregate is much better at an open view of god. This is why protestants and rome does not like mormons. Maybr that vhanged.

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Sorry for the delay. I got about 2 1/2 quatrains written last night & fell asleep at the keyboard.

Excerpted for research purposes from the 'Revelations of the Metatron'-

p.171
[Overview] "The Angels Take to Wife the Daughters [of ???] Man" (Ref.#34)

Now the Angels Residing Upon the Atla Began to Move About the Earth
From land to land by Craft of Air & Sea,
Some powered by the Crystals of Light
Atop the great pyramid on the Mountain of Atlas.

Now the Angels
Found the Daughters of Man
To be of Beauty,
Especially those Heirs of Adam and Eve

Now the Angels in the Corporeal Forms
Were Not as flesh and blood
And they were Neither Male or Female, but Both,
But they Could Not Bear Offspring.

But the Angels of Baal Found that through the Daughters of Man,
Children could Be Born from them.
And their Offspring were Great among Man
in Stature and Knowledge.

Now the Children of the Angels of Baal
Were called Nephilim,
As were those of the Angels of God,
Offspring of Nephilim were Raphiem.

Then the Angels of Baal Took to Wife
As many of the Daughters of Man as they Pleased.
But the Angels of God
Took Only One.

p.172
[Overview] "Belzebel Returns to Earth"

Now Belzebel Requested of God
To Return to the Heavens from the Darkness.
But God Knew Not Why Belzebel Decided to Return.
For He did Not Know those Events that Went On in the Abyss of Baal.

Then God Allowed Belzebel
To Return to his Oceans Upon the Earth
But Nowhere else could he Be
In the Heavens.

And then God said, You shall be Known as Belzebub,
For you are Tainted from the Abyss
And No One in the Heavens or Earth
Is to Know you as an Archangel of God."

And Belzebub
Came Into the Ocean
With half the body of an Archangel
And half Amphibian.

[Overview] "The Corruption of the Beings on Earth"

Now the Angels
At their Creation Upon the Earth
Had the nature of both male and female
Within their Bodies.

But the Angels could Bear No Children.
The Nephilim,
The Offspring of the Angels by the daughters of Man,
Were all male in nature.

p.173

Nephilim too could have children by the females of Man.
And they were giants to Man.
Their structure was the Combination of flesh and blood
And the Composition, Strength, and Inherited Knowledge from Angels.

They were Entered by Souls,
But they were Not Able to Inherit the Spirit of the Amen of God
Through any female Heir
Of Adam and Eve.

But the Raphiem,
The Children of the Nephilim and the daughters of Man,
Were
Separated Into male and female.

But they also were great in Stature and Knowledge among Man.
And they too were Entered by Souls,
Though Never
The Spirit of the Amen of God.

But the Heirs of the Raphiem
Became more and more of the flesh and blood
If they were Born of the females of Man.
But to Man they were still Mighty and Known with Renown.

And the second generation
Could be Entered
By the Spirit of the Mother
If she were an Heir of Adam and Eve.

Now with the great Entry of the Evil of the Souls Into Man;
The Enhancement of this Evil
From the Many Tainted Angels of Baal or their Offspring
The Corrupted sons and daughters of the Angels of Baal---

p.174

Those Nephilim, Raphiem, and Man,
Who were without the Spirit to Guide them,
These Beings
Caused a great Depravity Upon the Earth.

The Angels of Baal,
Who began to Control all the Spiritless Beings,
Began to Pit Man against Man, male and female,
Nephilim Against other Nephilim and Raphiem, Groups against Groups.

And finally they began to Create Raids, Skirmishes and Battles
That Led Into great Wars.
And there were all nature of Atrocities
That Began.

And the sons of the Angels and Angels of Baal
Begin to Alter the Coils of Life in all flesh---
Even with Man.
And the Souls began to Come into all flesh that was part Man.

And the Souls
Entered those already with Souls.
And the flesh on Earth
Became Corrupt.

And the Lord God
Regretted all flesh that was Created on the Earth. (Ref. #35)
And He was Angered
At the Evil Influence of those He Called the sons of Baal.

p.175

And it Embarrassed the Lord God
In the way He had Made a Man on the Earth
And how He had Allowed the Offspring to the Daughters of Man by Baal---
And the sons of God, many of whose Heirs became Corrupted.

Then Almighty God Contemplated the Destruction of all the flesh
That had been Created by the sons of Baal.
Only Noah, the son of the son of the son of Enoch
Was found among Man to be Holy.

Thus only Noah found Favor with God
Then Almighty God said, "I will Flood the Earth's Corruption,
But the top of Atla,
To Save the Angels of God.

And of those of Soul and Spirit,
Only Noah will be Saved,
With his family.
All others shall Perish."

Then through the Lord God, the Almighty Told Noah
To Build an Ark of a certain Dimension
And to Load his family,
The Pure Animals of the Lord and vegetation to Grow,

Then Noah Did
And he Readied his sons, Shem, Ham and Japeth,
With all their Wives to Go.
All this is recorded, for Noah was a Spokesman.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

We'll stop here for the time being. Do you want to hear what happened as to the Great Flood?

My comments on the above. I tried to capitalize all the words that were capitalized in the translation of the text.

This text are what has been deciphered from the tops of golden pillars in the hollow Golden Pyramid of South America, which was described to be about the size of 3 football fields. I sense that it is near Lake Titicaca.

Baal was previously Bael, another Archangel.

In Dolores Cannon's research on the Essenes, there were 12 commandments. The other 2 (beyond the standard 10 we know of), was one that states something akin to the golden rule. It is in her book- 'Jesus and the Essenes' chapter 8 titled "The 12 Commandments". The other is "Thou shalt not follow the ways of the path of Baal."

And it is interesting as well that Edgar Cayce in his Readings speaks of the "sons of the Law of ONE" and the "sons of Baal".

Reference #34 notes that this concerns (KJV) Genesis 6:1-4.

Reference #35 notes that this concerns (KJV) Genesis 6:5-22.

Note that God also spared the "angels of God". This is not to be confused with the Great Pyramid in Egypt, but the great pyramid in Atlantis or Atla. It is very possible that the "angels of God" were "converged" there (later in the text) in what has been called the Temple by Iltar or the Temple of Atlantis in the Cayce Readings. I refer to it as the Temple of Ilta, of which I was shown (in 1986) of its future rising. This is a pyramidial obelisk that is about a mile high in heighth, not built by human hands. Whether or not this reference here is to the Temple or another pyramid, I am unsure. Chances are that there was also a large pyramid there.

It would seem that the "angels of God" were not chastised, but their offspring were not allowed to carry on.

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That record and translation sounds a lot closer to the truth than the genesis fragments.

Georgia recounts how caligastia ordered that the celestial staff of his conmingle with mortal women to produce chjldren that he could control and use to make war on each other. As a way tonadvance the technology of the speciez. So that later his tribes would be more warlike and dominant over others.

The sons and daughters that worked with god almighty law of one, perished in mu and atlantis. They awaited the day of fire to come back.

People call these entities or sons of peridition as the sons of caine. Meaning alike to cain. And npc souless or cylon cyborgs.
Lynn wrote: May 30th, 2023, 8:39 pm Sorry for the delay. I got about 2 1/2 quatrains written last night & fell asleep at the keyboard.

Excerpted for research purposes from the 'Revelations of the Metatron'-

p.171
[Overview] "The Angels Take to Wife the Daughters [of ???] Man" (Ref.#34)

Now the Angels Residing Upon the Atla Began to Move About the Earth
From land to land by Craft of Air & Sea,
Some powered by the Crystals of Light
Atop the great pyramid on the Mountain of Atlas.

Now the Angels
Found the Daughters of Man
To be of Beauty,
Especially those Heirs of Adam and Eve

Now the Angels in the Corporeal Forms
Were Not as flesh and blood
And they were Neither Male or Female, but Both,
But they Could Not Bear Offspring.

But the Angels of Baal Found that through the Daughters of Man,
Children could Be Born from them.
And their Offspring were Great among Man
in Stature and Knowledge.

Now the Children of the Angels of Baal
Were called Nephilim,
As were those of the Angels of God,
Offspring of Nephilim were Raphiem.

Then the Angels of Baal Took to Wife
As many of the Daughters of Man as they Pleased.
But the Angels of God
Took Only One.

p.172
[Overview] "Belzebel Returns to Earth"

Now Belzebel Requested of God
To Return to the Heavens from the Darkness.
But God Knew Not Why Belzebel Decided to Return.
For He did Not Know those Events that Went On in the Abyss of Baal.

Then God Allowed Belzebel
To Return to his Oceans Upon the Earth
But Nowhere else could he Be
In the Heavens.

And then God said, You shall be Known as Belzebub,
For you are Tainted from the Abyss
And No One in the Heavens or Earth
Is to Know you as an Archangel of God."

And Belzebub
Came Into the Ocean
With half the body of an Archangel
And half Amphibian.

[Overview] "The Corruption of the Beings on Earth"

Now the Angels
At their Creation Upon the Earth
Had the nature of both male and female
Within their Bodies.

But the Angels could Bear No Children.
The Nephilim,
The Offspring of the Angels by the daughters of Man,
Were all male in nature.

p.173

Nephilim too could have children by the females of Man.
And they were giants to Man.
Their structure was the Combination of flesh and blood
And the Composition, Strength, and Inherited Knowledge from Angels.

They were Entered by Souls,
But they were Not Able to Inherit the Spirit of the Amen of God
Through any female Heir
Of Adam and Eve.

But the Raphiem,
The Children of the Nephilim and the daughters of Man,
Were
Separated Into male and female.

But they also were great in Stature and Knowledge among Man.
And they too were Entered by Souls,
Though Never
The Spirit of the Amen of God.

But the Heirs of the Raphiem
Became more and more of the flesh and blood
If they were Born of the females of Man.
But to Man they were still Mighty and Known with Renown.

And the second generation
Could be Entered
By the Spirit of the Mother
If she were an Heir of Adam and Eve.

Now with the great Entry of the Evil of the Souls Into Man;
The Enhancement of this Evil
From the Many Tainted Angels of Baal or their Offspring
The Corrupted sons and daughters of the Angels of Baal---

p.174

Those Nephilim, Raphiem, and Man,
Who were without the Spirit to Guide them,
These Beings
Caused a great Depravity Upon the Earth.

The Angels of Baal,
Who began to Control all the Spiritless Beings,
Began to Pit Man against Man, male and female,
Nephilim Against other Nephilim and Raphiem, Groups against Groups.

And finally they began to Create Raids, Skirmishes and Battles
That Led Into great Wars.
And there were all nature of Atrocities
That Began.

And the sons of the Angels and Angels of Baal
Begin to Alter the Coils of Life in all flesh---
Even with Man.
And the Souls began to Come into all flesh that was part Man.

And the Souls
Entered those already with Souls.
And the flesh on Earth
Became Corrupt.

And the Lord God
Regretted all flesh that was Created on the Earth. (Ref. #35)
And He was Angered
At the Evil Influence of those He Called the sons of Baal.

p.175

And it Embarrassed the Lord God
In the way He had Made a Man on the Earth
And how He had Allowed the Offspring to the Daughters of Man by Baal---
And the sons of God, many of whose Heirs became Corrupted.

Then Almighty God Contemplated the Destruction of all the flesh
That had been Created by the sons of Baal.
Only Noah, the son of the son of the son of Enoch
Was found among Man to be Holy.

Thus only Noah found Favor with God
Then Almighty God said, "I will Flood the Earth's Corruption,
But the top of Atla,
To Save the Angels of God.

And of those of Soul and Spirit,
Only Noah will be Saved,
With his family.
All others shall Perish."

Then through the Lord God, the Almighty Told Noah
To Build an Ark of a certain Dimension
And to Load his family,
The Pure Animals of the Lord and vegetation to Grow,

Then Noah Did
And he Readied his sons, Shem, Ham and Japeth,
With all their Wives to Go.
All this is recorded, for Noah was a Spokesman.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

We'll stop here for the time being. Do you want to hear what happened as to the Great Flood?

My comments on the above. I tried to capitalize all the words that were capitalized in the translation of the text.

This text are what has been deciphered from the tops of golden pillars in the hollow Golden Pyramid of South America, which was described to be about the size of 3 football fields. I sense that it is near Lake Titicaca.

Baal was previously Bael, another Archangel.

In Dolores Cannon's research on the Essenes, there were 12 commandments. The other 2 (beyond the standard 10 we know of), was one that states something akin to the golden rule. It is in her book- 'Jesus and the Essenes' chapter 8 titled "The 12 Commandments". The other is "Thou shalt not follow the ways of the path of Baal."

And it is interesting as well that Edgar Cayce in his Readings speaks of the "sons of the Law of ONE" and the "sons of Baal".

Reference #34 notes that this concerns (KJV) Genesis 6:1-4.

Reference #35 notes that this concerns (KJV) Genesis 6:5-22.

Note that God also spared the "angels of God". This is not to be confused with the Great Pyramid in Egypt, but the great pyramid in Atlantis or Atla. It is very possible that the "angels of God" were "converged" there (later in the text) in what has been called the Temple by Iltar or the Temple of Atlantis in the Cayce Readings. I refer to it as the Temple of Ilta, of which I was shown (in 1986) of its future rising. This is a pyramidial obelisk that is about a mile high in heighth, not built by human hands. Whether or not this reference here is to the Temple or another pyramid, I am unsure. Chances are that there was also a large pyramid there.

It would seem that the "angels of God" were not chastised, but their offspring were not allowed to carry on.

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https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/how-no ... iopath-the

Naomi wrote a great article about our modern times and trials.
Thinker wrote: May 29th, 2023, 9:51 am
Niemand wrote: May 25th, 2023, 4:51 am
Who are the Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4?
Both Peter and Jude mention angels who sinned and were judged by God….

The sons of God were the descendants of Seth.
This interpretation says that “the sons of God” were descendants of the godly line of Seth and that “the daughters of men” refers to the ungodly descendants of Cain…
My first impression is the usual self-righteous notion that only our idea of God is right & is God - all else is inferior & bad.

How can this be likened to us today?

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Lynn wrote: May 30th, 2023, 8:39 pm And they were Neither Male or Female, but Both,
Baphomet?

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