precisely where does it say Lucifer's plan wouldn't work? it implies it wasn't the best but it doesn't say it would not work for what he was offering. Also, you persist in some feeling of "con" in this event and such yet I see no evidence of lies. Sure we see his actions as "lies" here, but we are talking his actions in "heaven", I don't think the celestial but a spirit place where Jesus was for sure and the great and noble ones. It doesn't say god said "Lucifer you are a liar and con man"? It says he tried to take man's agency. I think your interpretation is typical LDS in nature, which is ok, but shallow. I don't think it has much precision but perhaps it is not important.Atrasado wrote: ↑May 20th, 2023, 3:18 pmSatan told God that he wanted His honor because of his plan, but his plan couldn't work, at all. That is something for nothing. Con artists can sometimes be some of the hardest working people out there. They still are looking for something for nothing.TheDuke wrote: ↑May 20th, 2023, 1:54 pmInteresting. Got a scripture to support these two statements?
I'm not sure Lucifer wanted something for nothing. I don't recall anywhere it says he was lazy or such?
I don't think Lucifer could lie in the pre-mortal arena. Doesn't seem like that is allowed in god's plans. I don't see this as a viable option. More like he talked of partial truths that resonated well with 1/3 part.
Where did he say we wouldn't sin? He said he would "redeem" all. I don't see much more detail. I guess it would be good to understand his use of "redeem".
D&C 93:25 says, "And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning." That would make it seem that he lied in pre-mortality. Also, we know that he lied because the plan he presented in the Grand Council was a complete and total lie.
I think Lucifer was offering an alternative. But, one that led to another endgame and one that gave benefits to the lower progressed people and limited those with higher potential. As I read D&C 88 says those that failed receive no glory and go back where they came from. Seems that group was not redeemed. Seems for them maybe a "con" as you put it would have been a "win"?