You can click on the title in the actual embedded video and it should go to the actual youtubes site/page for it...... Or this is it also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzybc5NI3U
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You can click on the title in the actual embedded video and it should go to the actual youtubes site/page for it...... Or this is it also:
Post by decision2020 »
a senior friend(and member) of mine, took the jab, and died a few months after.investigator wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 2:23 pmHe states that Russ Nelson was using stratagem when he urged the saints to get the jab. smhReluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 6:40 am I clicked on a random spot, 2 hrs 35 min, and I found it interesting he interpreted the word "stratagem" as deception.
mes5464, do you have a particular topic he covers or a cliff note overview?
Sometimes I get so frustrated with people I love who have caved to peer pressure - especially when it sometimes has dire consequences. But I remember when I have gone along with insanity just because everyone’s doing it, or out of being too lazy to question anything. We are works in progress & sometimes must learn the hard way.decision2020 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2022, 9:22 am a senior friend(and member) of mine, took the jab, and died a few months after.
he was staunch lds and a member of some very conservative think groups.
so i was dumbfounded when i heard he took the shots and follow-up boosters.
not so much shocked when i heard he passed from a heart attack.
a fairly healthy man as well.. so i wonder.. where was the discernment here ?
even myself, being right leaning, when trump announced the vaccines, my spidey senses rang clear off the charts.
i even know some regular temple attendees who ran to take the jab.. clearly you are closer to the veil when being in the temple as much.. where is/was the discernment ?
Post by investigator »
Moroni did not use stratagem against his own people, he used it against his enemy. Moroni's use of stratagem did not result in the deaths and destruction of the immune systems of his own people. He used stratagem to defeat the enemies of the church and to save the lives and liberty of his own people. There is no correlation whatsoever to how Russell Nelson "used stratagem" with how Moroni used it. This is just a weak attempt to justify the actions of the brethren.investigator wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 2:23 pmHe states that Russ Nelson was using stratagem when he urged the saints to get the jab. smhReluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 6:40 am I clicked on a random spot, 2 hrs 35 min, and I found it interesting he interpreted the word "stratagem" as deception.
mes5464, do you have a particular topic he covers or a cliff note overview?
Post by LDS Physician »
Exactly. All anyone really has to do is read Isaiah Chapter One. That'll clue you in to the state of the church and those who lead it. Even the Savior said Isaiah's words "shall be", meaning a future fulfillment. There isn't much future left ... we're seeing it happen all over again.InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2022, 12:07 am It's really interesting to see how bad the mental gymnastics gets for some members who try and explain away the obvious. A five hour presentation to attempt to make the argument that President Nelson lied to the church on purpose to see who would get the shot or not... Yet he himself with all the others did photoshoots of themselves getting the shots. I guess he lost to his own strategem.
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Would it help to know they will all be going to the lower kingdom in the heavrn timeline?Thinker wrote: ↑November 12th, 2022, 6:29 pmSometimes I get so frustrated with people I love who have caved to peer pressure - especially when it sometimes has dire consequences. But I remember when I have gone along with insanity just because everyone’s doing it, or out of being too lazy to question anything. We are works in progress & sometimes must learn the hard way.decision2020 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2022, 9:22 am a senior friend(and member) of mine, took the jab, and died a few months after.
he was staunch lds and a member of some very conservative think groups.
so i was dumbfounded when i heard he took the shots and follow-up boosters.
not so much shocked when i heard he passed from a heart attack.
a fairly healthy man as well.. so i wonder.. where was the discernment here ?
even myself, being right leaning, when trump announced the vaccines, my spidey senses rang clear off the charts.
i even know some regular temple attendees who ran to take the jab.. clearly you are closer to the veil when being in the temple as much.. where is/was the discernment ?
Sad about your friend. I’ve known of similar deaths & more with new health problems since getting the experimental shots. Before I researched or knew much about the shots, I was woken up with the Spirit & the message, “The vaccine is 1 of the poisons.” Yet, I hadn’t set foot in a temple for years - because I had trust crisis with the church leaders. My temple is within - prayer & meditation anytime anywhere. That’s not to say I’m always in tune - but I’ve definitely sensed the need to try to keep the Spirit.
No it won’t help because I know someone who had a great heart - a great person except for being too gullible about news. It’s probable he died from the booster, but I wouldn’t want him to suffer more than he did throughout his life in various ways.Ymarsakar wrote: ↑May 8th, 2023, 9:57 amWould it help to know they will all be going to the lower kingdom in the heavrn timeline?Thinker wrote: ↑November 12th, 2022, 6:29 pmSometimes I get so frustrated with people I love who have caved to peer pressure - especially when it sometimes has dire consequences. But I remember when I have gone along with insanity just because everyone’s doing it, or out of being too lazy to question anything. We are works in progress & sometimes must learn the hard way.decision2020 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2022, 9:22 am a senior friend(and member) of mine, took the jab, and died a few months after.
he was staunch lds and a member of some very conservative think groups.
so i was dumbfounded when i heard he took the shots and follow-up boosters.
not so much shocked when i heard he passed from a heart attack.
a fairly healthy man as well.. so i wonder.. where was the discernment here ?
even myself, being right leaning, when trump announced the vaccines, my spidey senses rang clear off the charts.
i even know some regular temple attendees who ran to take the jab.. clearly you are closer to the veil when being in the temple as much.. where is/was the discernment ?
Sad about your friend. I’ve known of similar deaths & more with new health problems since getting the experimental shots. Before I researched or knew much about the shots, I was woken up with the Spirit & the message, “The vaccine is 1 of the poisons.” Yet, I hadn’t set foot in a temple for years - because I had trust crisis with the church leaders. My temple is within - prayer & meditation anytime anywhere. That’s not to say I’m always in tune - but I’ve definitely sensed the need to try to keep the Spirit.
It is still much better than this hell we call earth civ.
Even the dropouts are not going to get recycled. This is a burning but not the final one. That one is much like the heat death of the universe.
Well u can watch me because there are some who dont like me here and do not have a fair sense of play or justice.Thinker wrote: ↑May 13th, 2023, 1:47 pmNo it won’t help because I know someone who had a great heart - a great person except for being too gullible about news. It’s probable he died from the booster, but I wouldn’t want him to suffer more than he did throughout his life in various ways.Ymarsakar wrote: ↑May 8th, 2023, 9:57 amWould it help to know they will all be going to the lower kingdom in the heavrn timeline?Thinker wrote: ↑November 12th, 2022, 6:29 pm Sometimes I get so frustrated with people I love who have caved to peer pressure - especially when it sometimes has dire consequences. But I remember when I have gone along with insanity just because everyone’s doing it, or out of being too lazy to question anything. We are works in progress & sometimes must learn the hard way.
Sad about your friend. I’ve known of similar deaths & more with new health problems since getting the experimental shots. Before I researched or knew much about the shots, I was woken up with the Spirit & the message, “The vaccine is 1 of the poisons.” Yet, I hadn’t set foot in a temple for years - because I had trust crisis with the church leaders. My temple is within - prayer & meditation anytime anywhere. That’s not to say I’m always in tune - but I’ve definitely sensed the need to try to keep the Spirit.
It is still much better than this hell we call earth civ.
Even the dropouts are not going to get recycled. This is a burning but not the final one. That one is much like the heat death of the universe.
The tricky thing is everyone of us has both good & evil. And though with some people who have hurt me, at times I’ve wanted them to get their own back. I know I’m being tested. How will I treat my enemies? It’s easy to be kind to those who are nice to me. But what about those who hurt me? Boundaries are good - but also it’s good to remember that we all are imperfect - just in different ways.
sometimes, we are set in front of a terrible reality:mes5464 wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 5:51 pmHe also said that we were supposed to be close enough to the spirit that we would know NOT to partake of the vaccine. I can't say I agree with that. I feel like the Lord directs his prophets to tell the truth, even if it gets them or us killed. I can't think of a single example of the Lord directing his prophet to tell his people a falsehood, even if it's for their own good.investigator wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 2:23 pmHe states that Russ Nelson was using stratagem when he urged the saints to get the jab. smhReluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 6:40 am I clicked on a random spot, 2 hrs 35 min, and I found it interesting he interpreted the word "stratagem" as deception.
mes5464, do you have a particular topic he covers or a cliff note overview?
condemning it for outsider judgement.Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 6:16 pmIt’s a bit more simple than that. According to church narrative, Joseph was both practicing polygamy and condemning it at the same time. And he allowed his brother and wife to condemn it in public and on record, right up until a month or two before they were murdered. Again, that’s if you believe the church. “Lying for the Lord” was a common mantra in Utah in the early days.mes5464 wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 6:07 pmI don't want to read too much into this comment but if I get your meaning then I would say this:
First, one has to decide if polygamy was a true or false principle. I have to say that I don't have a testimony of it. Because of Jacob's speech in the BoM, I'm inclined to say it was not a correct principle. However, I do believe that there will be more righteous women in the celestial kingdom than men, and they will need/want husbands.
Second, one has to have a testimony of the proclamation to stop the practice of plural marriage. Since I don't have a testimony of polygamy then it stands to reason that I don't have a testimony of the proclamation, BUT if polygamy is a true and correct principle, I don't believe that the Lord would have stopped it. I could be wrong about that but that's what my gut tells me.
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I do take it seriously. My belief w/ regard to the early saints practices is well-measured and has garnered significant effort mentally and spiritually. Polygamy (and polyamory, which did happen with BY) was an abomination. As I said, it’s simple.FrankOne wrote: ↑May 13th, 2023, 10:13 pmcondemning it for outsider judgement.Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 6:16 pmIt’s a bit more simple than that. According to church narrative, Joseph was both practicing polygamy and condemning it at the same time. And he allowed his brother and wife to condemn it in public and on record, right up until a month or two before they were murdered. Again, that’s if you believe the church. “Lying for the Lord” was a common mantra in Utah in the early days.mes5464 wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2022, 6:07 pm
I don't want to read too much into this comment but if I get your meaning then I would say this:
First, one has to decide if polygamy was a true or false principle. I have to say that I don't have a testimony of it. Because of Jacob's speech in the BoM, I'm inclined to say it was not a correct principle. However, I do believe that there will be more righteous women in the celestial kingdom than men, and they will need/want husbands.
Second, one has to have a testimony of the proclamation to stop the practice of plural marriage. Since I don't have a testimony of polygamy then it stands to reason that I don't have a testimony of the proclamation, BUT if polygamy is a true and correct principle, I don't believe that the Lord would have stopped it. I could be wrong about that but that's what my gut tells me.
doing it out of God's guidance.
Lying because he thought he had to. (fear).
Life is a stage. Play your part, you can't avoid it. Take it serious and fight the fight and die or live lightly and die. It makes no difference to God, only to YOU.
I think at least part of it is miscommunication because online misses so much context & nonverbal communication. And sometimes people are too quick to post without thinking about it. I’ve done this before & you have it seems too… ie when you said you had to look up what lds meant.
Tbm not lds. Lsd lds was the joke but i did not tell it hereThinker wrote: ↑May 14th, 2023, 7:14 pmI think at least part of it is miscommunication because online misses so much context & nonverbal communication. And sometimes people are too quick to post without thinking about it. I’ve done this before & you have it seems too… ie when you said you had to look up what lds meant.
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