Pres. Nelson checks off another last times event

[RosyPosy]

“God will take care of it”…

Yes that phrase has always bothered me too. It's just an excuse to be lazy and bound to inaction.

[Gadianton Slayer]

“God will take care of it”…

Yes that phrase has always bothered me too. It's just an excuse to be lazy and bound to inaction.

It’s the equivalent of saying “I just have faith” when the narrative you’ve believed in forever begins to crumble. I see it in my family who know that there is evil in the world but refuse to acknowledge the sickness in their own organization.

[FrankOne]

“God will take care of it”…

Yes that phrase has always bothered me too. It's just an excuse to be lazy and bound to inaction.

It’s the equivalent of saying “I just have faith” when the narrative you’ve believed in forever begins to crumble. I see it in my family who know that there is evil in the world but refuse to acknowledge the sickness in their own organization.

kind of like the "God will take care of it" as the Q15 are escorted by armed guards. oh...wait..uh.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Yes that phrase has always bothered me too. It's just an excuse to be lazy and bound to inaction.

It’s the equivalent of saying “I just have faith” when the narrative you’ve believed in forever begins to crumble. I see it in my family who know that there is evil in the world but refuse to acknowledge the sickness in their own organization.

kind of like the "God will take care of it" as the Q15 are escorted by armed guards. oh...wait..uh.

Rules for thee…

[Shawn Henry]

ummm...
moses 6:7 says priesthood in the last day .. what does it mean???

"5 And a book of remembrance was kept, in the which was recorded, in the language of Adam, for it was given unto as many as called upon God to write by the spirit of inspiration;

6 And by them their children were taught to read and write, having a language which was pure and undefiled.

7 Now this same Priesthood, which was in the beginning, shall be in the end of the world also.

8 Now this prophecy Adam spake, as he was moved upon by the Holy Ghost, and a genealogy was kept of the children of God. And this was the book of the generations of Adam, saying: In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
"
moses 6

There are 3 Priesthoods, Aaronic, Patriarchal, and Melchizedek. The Melchizedek was taken in 1834.

The Aaronic and Patriarchal are lineal based priesthoods designed to be passed down from father to son. This is why they are always on the earth, because they are passed down through bloodlines.

ok, you caught my interest on this one.

where can I find that the Melchizedek was taken in 1834? Not that it matters to me, actually, but I had a close friend that worked with an offiical church historian back in the early 90's . The historian was threatened with excommunication when he "discovered" and "proved" that the melchizedek priesthood was never actually given to Joseph Smith at all. The historian quit his position and went awol from the church after that.

Also, what is your source for the Patriarchal priesthood being a blood line priesthood, like the Aaronic? If it is, who has had it in history or currently? Short version is fine.

thanks Shawn

That historian probably found, like everyone else, the 4 quotes that say the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored at the Morley Farm in June of 1831. One is in plain English from Joseph's mouth, one from Lyman Wight, one from Parley Pratt, and one from historian John Corrill. There is no evidence at all of Peter, James, and John giving the Melchizedek Priesthood, they simply bestowed the keys of the Apostleship, which is an Elder, which is only an appendage to the MP.

We don't know for sure that it was taken in 1834, but we know that the name of Christ was taken from the church and it was renamed The Church of Latter Day Saints and it stands to reason that the church downgrade was also the priesthood downgrade. Then in the 1835 the office of Patriarch was introduced, implying Patriarchal Priesthood. We know from section 124 that they did not have it at that time and that it had to restored "again" to them.

Though we don't have any scriptures explaining what the Patriarchal Priesthood is or does, it would have to by nature be passed down from father to son as the description of MP is defined as not being passed down, but by the voice of God. The definition of MP implies everything else is passed down. Plus, the word Patriarch implies as much. The Lord also told the early brethren that priesthood must remain through their seed. It is really hard admittedly to differentiate between the Patriarchal and Aaronic, however. It's only a quote from Joseph that even tells us there is such a thing as Patriarchal Priesthood, it's not named in scripture.

[Godislove]

What happens to the authority of those who are ordained when they abuse their authority, or have corrupted fruits... Or no prophetic fruits to speak of?

I believe the Lord will take care of the things you pointed out if any of those has taken place in His own time but I don't believe we are the ones who get to decide that.

Come on now… of course it’s not up to us, but are we to be blind fools to what is right in front of us? If we aren’t to judge the fruits of those men, then do you believe D&C 121:37-43 was added for no reason?

The absolute most ridiculous response I’ve ever heard from a religious person when their narrative is questioned is this:

“God will take care of it”…

Pish posh. There is a reason we are commanded to judge and to evaluate fruits, to PLUCK OUT the eye when it transgresses. Not to sit idly by worshipping the feet of men who claim monopoly on the power of God.

So how are you going to go about plucking them out?

[Gadianton Slayer]

I believe the Lord will take care of the things you pointed out if any of those has taken place in His own time but I don't believe we are the ones who get to decide that.

Come on now… of course it’s not up to us, but are we to be blind fools to what is right in front of us? If we aren’t to judge the fruits of those men, then do you believe D&C 121:37-43 was added for no reason?

The absolute most ridiculous response I’ve ever heard from a religious person when their narrative is questioned is this:

“God will take care of it”…

Pish posh. There is a reason we are commanded to judge and to evaluate fruits, to PLUCK OUT the eye when it transgresses. Not to sit idly by worshipping the feet of men who claim monopoly on the power of God.

So how are you going to go about plucking them out?

Already done. I educated myself on what the church of Christ really is, how it operates, who can have authority, and what my purpose is. I worked on my personal relationship with God and asked enough questions to get myself removed from the LDS org.

If standing for what I believe to be true and asking simple questions is grounds for being removed from the church, then it is not God’s.

The first step to plucking out is intentionally recognizing what those men say and weighing their fruits. If you’ve never disagreed with anything a church leader has said, you need to pay a little more attention. If you still don’t, then I believe you are blinded. I say that because there are several blatant lies and contradictions to scripture, specifically the BoM.

Don’t blindly follow their counsel, and don’t fall into the trap of believing that they “cannot lead you astray”… a vile false doctrine.

[Godislove]

Come on now… of course it’s not up to us, but are we to be blind fools to what is right in front of us? If we aren’t to judge the fruits of those men, then do you believe D&C 121:37-43 was added for no reason?

The absolute most ridiculous response I’ve ever heard from a religious person when their narrative is questioned is this:

“God will take care of it”…

Pish posh. There is a reason we are commanded to judge and to evaluate fruits, to PLUCK OUT the eye when it transgresses. Not to sit idly by worshipping the feet of men who claim monopoly on the power of God.

So how are you going to go about plucking them out?

Already done. I educated myself on what the church of Christ really is, how it operates, who can have authority, and what my purpose is. I worked on my personal relationship with God and asked enough questions to get myself removed from the LDS org.

If standing for what I believe to be true and asking simple questions is grounds for being removed from the church, then it is not God’s.

The first step to plucking out is intentionally recognizing what those men say and weighing their fruits. If you’ve never disagreed with anything a church leader has said, you need to pay a little more attention. If you still don’t, then I believe you are blinded. I say that because there are several blatant lies and contradictions to scripture, specifically the BoM.

Don’t blindly follow their counsel, and don’t fall into the trap of believing that they “cannot lead you astray”… a vile false doctrine.

I do not blindly follow counsel...especially over the whole Covid debacle and I don't believe they cannot lead anyone astray. I've also asked questions but haven't felt the need to remove myself from the organization.

[InfoWarrior82]

So how are you going to go about plucking them out?

Already done. I educated myself on what the church of Christ really is, how it operates, who can have authority, and what my purpose is. I worked on my personal relationship with God and asked enough questions to get myself removed from the LDS org.

If standing for what I believe to be true and asking simple questions is grounds for being removed from the church, then it is not God’s.

The first step to plucking out is intentionally recognizing what those men say and weighing their fruits. If you’ve never disagreed with anything a church leader has said, you need to pay a little more attention. If you still don’t, then I believe you are blinded. I say that because there are several blatant lies and contradictions to scripture, specifically the BoM.

Don’t blindly follow their counsel, and don’t fall into the trap of believing that they “cannot lead you astray”… a vile false doctrine.

I do not blindly follow counsel...especially over the whole Covid debacle and I don't believe they cannot lead anyone astray. I've also asked questions but haven't felt the need to remove myself from the organization.

But do you at least acknowledge that the leaders of the church insist that they are infallible? (Cannot lead the church astray). Do you at least see this as a major red flag?

[Gadianton Slayer]

So how are you going to go about plucking them out?

Already done. I educated myself on what the church of Christ really is, how it operates, who can have authority, and what my purpose is. I worked on my personal relationship with God and asked enough questions to get myself removed from the LDS org.

If standing for what I believe to be true and asking simple questions is grounds for being removed from the church, then it is not God’s.

The first step to plucking out is intentionally recognizing what those men say and weighing their fruits. If you’ve never disagreed with anything a church leader has said, you need to pay a little more attention. If you still don’t, then I believe you are blinded. I say that because there are several blatant lies and contradictions to scripture, specifically the BoM.

Don’t blindly follow their counsel, and don’t fall into the trap of believing that they “cannot lead you astray”… a vile false doctrine.

I do not blindly follow counsel...especially over the whole Covid debacle and I don't believe they cannot lead anyone astray. I've also asked questions but haven't felt the need to remove myself from the organization.

For that I am glad. Because you disagree with one of their most taught ideologies, infallibility, it seems you’ve already begun the process of plucking out.

[Cewa19]

Our 5th Sunday presentation in our word was about signs of the times. According to this presentation, we are not even close and have a lot of time. Our main preparation suggested is just to have a temple recommend and to be like Christ (excellent advice).

There was zero mention of temporal preparedness or even the need for it.

[Subcomandante]

Our 5th Sunday presentation in our word was about signs of the times. According to this presentation, we are not even close and have a lot of time. Our main preparation suggested is just to have a temple recommend and to be like Christ (excellent advice).

There was zero mention of temporal preparedness or even the need for it.

That's kind of weird. Because in our local units in Mexico, people are acting like that time IS close at hand. Even gave a talk on the issue the previous Sunday and the Bishop thanked me for the talk that I gave.

"Time is running out" (President Nelson). That should have been brought up in your meeting.

[JK4Woods]

Ummm….
To get even close to covering the “stone cut out of the mountain without hands” which is revered as the TCoJCoLDS to cover the earth, membership needs to bump up past 130 million.

I didn’t mistype that.
At current growth rates, it’s gonna be ten to fifteen decades before membership gets even close to that number.

And that’s if missionary work takes on a whole new out-of-the-box reality, (meaning new revelation that breaks the mold).

All that is happening now in the world is just preamble and practice feints by Satan and his minions.

The current societal climate has been seen multiple times in the past. Great civilizations have come and gone, and yet, here is mortal man still on the earth.

Planet X has yet to be scheduled for its appearance.

[silverado]

At the Rome Temple dedication - and meeting with the pope,
President Nelson said:
"This is a hinge point in the history of the church.
Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part,"


A 'hinge point' is a pivot, a turning point. So now we are going to go in a different direction?

[FrankOne]

At the Rome Temple dedication - and meeting with the pope,
President Nelson said:
"This is a hinge point in the history of the church.
Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part,"


A 'hinge point' is a pivot, a turning point. So now we are going to go in a different direction?

one hinge side is now attached to the Church of Rome , being the pillar.
The other hinge side is now attached to the LDS church, being the door swinging in the winds of hell

[Godislove]

Already done. I educated myself on what the church of Christ really is, how it operates, who can have authority, and what my purpose is. I worked on my personal relationship with God and asked enough questions to get myself removed from the LDS org.

If standing for what I believe to be true and asking simple questions is grounds for being removed from the church, then it is not God’s.

The first step to plucking out is intentionally recognizing what those men say and weighing their fruits. If you’ve never disagreed with anything a church leader has said, you need to pay a little more attention. If you still don’t, then I believe you are blinded. I say that because there are several blatant lies and contradictions to scripture, specifically the BoM.

Don’t blindly follow their counsel, and don’t fall into the trap of believing that they “cannot lead you astray”… a vile false doctrine.

I do not blindly follow counsel...especially over the whole Covid debacle and I don't believe they cannot lead anyone astray. I've also asked questions but haven't felt the need to remove myself from the organization.

But do you at least acknowledge that the leaders of the church insist that they are infallible? (Cannot lead the church astray). Do you at least see this as a major red flag?

Yes, I'm concerned that at some point this thinking may cause a split or divide and realistically probably already has.

[InfoWarrior82]

I do not blindly follow counsel...especially over the whole Covid debacle and I don't believe they cannot lead anyone astray. I've also asked questions but haven't felt the need to remove myself from the organization.

But do you at least acknowledge that the leaders of the church insist that they are infallible? (Cannot lead the church astray). Do you at least see this as a major red flag?

Yes, I'm concerned that at some point this thinking may cause a split or divide and realistically probably already has.

Maybe Jesus keeps forgetting to bring it up in their personal priesthood interviews?

[Dusty Wanderer]

There are 3 Priesthoods, Aaronic, Patriarchal, and Melchizedek. The Melchizedek was taken in 1834.

The Aaronic and Patriarchal are lineal based priesthoods designed to be passed down from father to son. This is why they are always on the earth, because they are passed down through bloodlines.

ok, you caught my interest on this one.

where can I find that the Melchizedek was taken in 1834? Not that it matters to me, actually, but I had a close friend that worked with an offiical church historian back in the early 90's . The historian was threatened with excommunication when he "discovered" and "proved" that the melchizedek priesthood was never actually given to Joseph Smith at all. The historian quit his position and went awol from the church after that.

Also, what is your source for the Patriarchal priesthood being a blood line priesthood, like the Aaronic? If it is, who has had it in history or currently? Short version is fine.

thanks Shawn

That historian probably found, like everyone else, the 4 quotes that say the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored at the Morley Farm in June of 1831. One is in plain English from Joseph's mouth, one from Lyman Wight, one from Parley Pratt, and one from historian John Corrill. There is no evidence at all of Peter, James, and John giving the Melchizedek Priesthood, they simply bestowed the keys of the Apostleship, which is an Elder, which is only an appendage to the MP.

We don't know for sure that it was taken in 1834, but we know that the name of Christ was taken from the church and it was renamed The Church of Latter Day Saints and it stands to reason that the church downgrade was also the priesthood downgrade. Then in the 1835 the office of Patriarch was introduced, implying Patriarchal Priesthood. We know from section 124 that they did not have it at that time and that it had to restored "again" to them.

Though we don't have any scriptures explaining what the Patriarchal Priesthood is or does, it would have to by nature be passed down from father to son as the description of MP is defined as not being passed down, but by the voice of God. The definition of MP implies everything else is passed down. Plus, the word Patriarch implies as much. The Lord also told the early brethren that priesthood must remain through their seed. It is really hard admittedly to differentiate between the Patriarchal and Aaronic, however. It's only a quote from Joseph that even tells us there is such a thing as Patriarchal Priesthood, it's not named in scripture.

Great summation here, Shawn. Thanks for that. It sums up how I've been seeing things lately, too.

If even a portion of the supposed High Priests in every Elders Quorum across the Church were truly after the order of Melchizedek, we should see the fruits in proportion to those numbers, as described in the scriptures that follow such an order.

Perhaps we'd see something like what was experienced in 1831, the same time that the High Priesthood was received by some at the Morley Farm?

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[spiritMan]

"Global Citizens" = slavery

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/sta ... 4583153664

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

In the last minute of April 2023 general conference President Nelson said that 1 Nephi 14:14 has been fulfilled. Next comes verse 15.

14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.

15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth.

13 second clip of President Nelson:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSOY876SqYV ... VOvGmH-cZh

Here's the problem with this idea that we have to read the tea leaves in order to understand some sort of last days warning. It's the tea leaves.

A good watchman on the tower doesn't imply some sort of end time scenario through a veiled reference to a scripture that has hidden in a metaphor some applicable suggestion for action. A watchman blows his horn.

Metaphorical microscopic analysis of something that really isn't something is one of the major problems with twisting in the wind and trying to make excuses for what LDS leaders say. Sure, maybe they're talking in metaphors, or veiled allusions to some scripture, but that's not a watchman you can count on to warn you of events that impact your life.

It's time to stop referring to the tea leaves as the magic metaphors that will lead us to salvation. And start demanding plain, unequivocal, easy to understand language. It's time we asked the watchman to use their horns, and stop with the tea leaves.

[silverado]

"Global Citizens" = slavery

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/sta ... 4583153664

28:17 'pivotal moment'='hinge point'

[Ymarsakar]

They may have been ordained with keys, but that's still not a guarantee that they have power or authority. What does D&C 121 say about this very thing?

The necessary keys are what gives power and authority

Then why haven't we seen power and authority from our church leaders? Didn't Christ instruct everyone to make sure men who claimed to be prophets actually have fruits of prophets?

The keys are the DNA upgrades. Which the MRNA seals/destroys. SO their keys are gone.

[Ymarsakar]

I am neutral on scriptures. I wrote elsewhere here that my authority/power/knowledge does not come from scriptures.

If all the scriptures are true, that is fine with me. If they are all false, that is also fine with me. I'm unfazed either way. Whether the writings of god are true or false after passing through countless human/mortal hands, well that doesn't change the nature and principles of the Godhead. Not to me at least.

The apocalypse will destroy the man made churches. And LDS combining with Rome is a good thing. It allows the heavens to cut them both down and call them to repentance, in one stroke. I suspect it has not happened yet because the BoM and LDS theology is too... niche and minor to affect all the world. The apocalypse prefers to work on things that affect the great super majority of people, even everyone such as personal healthcare/sovereignty concepts via the mrna choice.

I suspect the apocalypse will even destroy the scriptures much as mankind's faith in doctors and scientists have been destroyed (mostly). I will paraphrase and reference Ephesians 6:12, Psalm 82, Deuteronomy 32, and Psalm 19:01 because they contain critical clues and components. But I do not derive my predictions, foresight, decisions based off of scripture, nor do I use it as a kind of crutch for my "authority" when speaking to others.

Like any keyboard warrior, my authority and credentials comes from my internet personality and record ; )

Now that google has unshadow banned me after years if not decades, anyone can figure it out now. THe veil that protected me from public sight, is no longer there. IThe shadowbanning started shortly after 2007 when I began talking about conspiracies on my wordpress blog. My blogspot was the older version and it was never shadowbanned on google. I was unshadow banned in March 2023, when the x solar flares hit. Convenient.

To much of humanity, the "bible" is the reference text used to know God. That is a nice start, of course, like a training wheel. To much of humanity, USA being number 1 military power, waxxines being safe and effective, and doctors being who you should listen to as an expert on medical decisions, was assumed to be truth.

Truth got shattered by the apocalypse, when god ray met human wants. The bible will also be shattered, since it affects more people. LDS is a side note in terms of the population index.

There's nothing to worry about here. Have faith in God and Jeshua, even if your bible is wrong and destroyed like RFJK's Fauci book did to Fauci and MRNA. We will always have "more books" to read.

[Ymarsakar]

In the last minute of April 2023 general conference President Nelson said that 1 Nephi 14:14 has been fulfilled. Next comes verse 15.

14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.

15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth.

13 second clip of President Nelson:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSOY876SqYV ... VOvGmH-cZh

Here's the problem with this idea that we have to read the tea leaves in order to understand some sort of last days warning. It's the tea leaves.

A good watchman on the tower doesn't imply some sort of end time scenario through a veiled reference to a scripture that has hidden in a metaphor some applicable suggestion for action. A watchman blows his horn.

Metaphorical microscopic analysis of something that really isn't something is one of the major problems with twisting in the wind and trying to make excuses for what LDS leaders say. Sure, maybe they're talking in metaphors, or veiled allusions to some scripture, but that's not a watchman you can count on to warn you of events that impact your life.

It's time to stop referring to the tea leaves as the magic metaphors that will lead us to salvation. And start demanding plain, unequivocal, easy to understand language. It's time we asked the watchman to use their horns, and stop with the tea leaves.

https://ymarsakar.substack.com/p/where- ... um=reader2

That was the best "plain language" I can do in terms of predictive analysis.

https://ymarsakar.substack.com/p/explan ... um=reader2

I agree, we don't need tea leaves or arguments over scripture written by people long dead, while we also lampoon other dead people like Joseph Smith or Brigham or whatever takes the fancy of the LDSaints.

We can just look at the events of 2020+.

And for people that like parables, I got one here too for the coming bifurcation.

https://ymarsakar.substack.com/p/from-d ... um=reader2